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			*'''Welcome back'''- and good luck. ] <sub>]</sub> 09:10, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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			== October editathons from Women in Red ==
	Hi! It seems that we have similar interests (Japanese art/history). Perhaps we could work together on an article someday or share resources or something (some of the stuff I have access to I listed ]). Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you need anything of it or if I can be of any other help with an article. I also have access to questia, credo references and highbeam. BTW, I recently wrote ] which I hope to nominate at ] at some point. It would be good if somebody who knows about the topic could have a second look at it. Also I did not include any Japanese sources such as those listed on top of ] (after "RS:"). If you have the time to take a look or even to expand the article with info from the Japanese sources that would be great, if not that's fine as well. No worries. ] (]) 09:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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			== Re: 'Xinjiang' in ] ==
	Hello, We had a discussion a little while ago on the talk page of the ]. I don't suppose it matters terribly much any more, as the discussion seems to have moved on and much of the introductory section of that Article seems to have settled down. Nevertheless, I thought you might be interested in reading this on Christopher Tolkien's attitude towards the use of his father's works for the big screen, and why he refuses to license those works not sold in 1969. Also, this incredibly rare with Christopher himself sheds a little more light on the matter. I hope you had a pleasant New Year. Wishing you all the very best for 2013. Michael --] (]) 12:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
			I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in ] because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not ''trying ''to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —] (]) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Peter coxhead}} You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective ] interpretation. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? ] (]) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::All interpretations of ] are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh ] in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, ], ], the mountain ranges of the ] and the ]). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved ]; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.
			::Secondly, also for you {{ping|Peter coxhead|p=}}, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of ]—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —] (]) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			:::I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is ''not'' a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are ''kinda'' in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to ] as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and ''definitely not'' "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).
			:::I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to ] as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "]" and "]" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase ] and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our ] article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is ''not'' an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)
			:::] (<small>]]</small>) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::::BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument ''against'' using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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	I noticed not long after getting blocked that someone marked this classical Japanese text that was discussed by Keene and numerous others, and is part of a series with the other ''Kagami''s, as potentially '''not meeting ]!''' This is why Misplaced Pages can't afford to block me... :P ] (]) 13:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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	:I just noticed that Drmies above appeared to have taken this comment as an "essay" listing my complaints and inappropriately using emoticons. The first sentence was meant as a reminder to myself to fix that particular article as soon as I get unblocked. The second sentence was a silly joke. The latter may or me not be relevant to Misplaced Pages (I notice, though, that the user who nominated ] for deletion has ); the former, though, cannot possibly be taken as unacceptable. I do thank Drmies for the advice provided in the latter part of his above comment, though. Regards. ] (]) 01:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
	::Elvenscout, I see you have taken this to AN where things appear to be going your way, with a lot more involvement than at the original ANI thread (and that was the problem, in my opinion). Please note that I ''never'' doubted your good faith, and if you get your way in the end I'll (try to) be the first to congratulate you. ] (]) 16:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
	:::I know you didn't <nowiki></nowiki>. Thank you for ''your'' good faith. Honestly, I think the reason for the lack of involvement last time was ''partly'' that user's fault for overloading the discussion with misrepresentations, but mostly my fault for not knowing how to use diffs. I re-read it last night, and, honestly, I think I've got a lot better at that than I was two months ago. Thank you so much for your advice, and happy editing! ] (]) 00:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::It was indeed rather unusual and suspicious that such an important historical text would be nominated for deletion. As you know, it may be a "classical text", but it was an unofficial text, and perhaps written as a reaction to Okagami--the first in the so-caled 'mirror series'--presenting a more superfluous version of life at the court.--]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 17:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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			Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, ] (]) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
	Regarding the discussion at AN: it might be advisable to recuse yourself from the debate for a while. You've made your case (extensively), but your recent contributions are starting to look a little... vindicative? over-zealous? truculent? The community will deal with Tristan noir in whatever way seems fit - that might involve anything from an indef ban to freeing him from all editing restrictions. Piling on now that your side of the issues has been resolved might be seen as excessive - I recognise that you feel strongly about this, but I'd recommend that you simply go off and enjoy editing, and leave the admins to wade through the mire of debate over Tristan. ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 09:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}} I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.
			:I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.{{ping|Nardog}} I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally ''dis''agreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.
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	Hi, thanks for archiving your Talk, it loads properly now - there must have been something triggering my erratic filter. Sorry to see you dealing with various socks. But Cúchullain's advice to keep cool is sound (his advice usually is). One way of relaxing would be to move around a bit more and look at MOS, AfDs, RMs, outside area of personal expertise. Many of the same problems you've noticed hitting Japanese topics are actually sub-problems of wider editing issues. Anyway, the main reason for this message is I was quite surprised to see a full clean DVD cover has been accepted into http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Uzak.jpg (it would not be accepted at Commons I think). Maybe this provides a model of improving images on Japan film articles too (and Vietnamese ones if I can get around to it). Best regards. ] (]) 03:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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	:Okay, I just noticed that you ''did'' resolve it. Thank you very much. ] (]) 15:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
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			== Deletion of referenced paragraph at ''Mottainai'' ==
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			I just saw at '']''. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions (). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --] (]) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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			:I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
			== Harrassment by this Wikipedian ==
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			I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, . Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. ] 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
	I already posted on the relevant noticeboard but was this the right way to go? ] (]) 11:39, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
			:I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."
	:I'd certainly be very wary of continuing to change the article. Whilst the accusations of scokpuppetry may or may not be valid, the information being added is pretty well referenced (I've looked up the actual refs, which annoying aren't linked, and they do support the text). The references may be wrong about jigai being a specific form of suicide for women, but they certainly meet the standard for reliable sources (I've used all three myself from time to time). Persisting in the same vein could backfire on you rather badly, I fear; you're basically edit-warring to remove sourced information with which you disagree - and you ''know'' that never looks good! ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 11:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
			:Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is ''specifically'' about Japanese poetry (the ] article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about ] content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.
	::The sources are faulty. No Japanese dictionaries give the definition the IP is trying to enforce, so the "sourced information" is factually inaccurate. How does one go about removing "well-sourced" information that is not true? ] (]) 11:56, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
			:] (<small>]]</small>) 11:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::Well, regrettably, the short answer is that you don't. Providing sources that claim the opposite (that ''jigai'' refers only to suicide) is pretty much the only appropriate course of action. Thing is, the English Misplaced Pages is concerned primarily with the use of terms like this ''in English''; whilst I don't for a moment dispute your claim that "自害" refers to suicide generally in Japan, the fact is that in English, ''jigai'' appears to have the primary meaning of "suicide by samurai-class women" - leastways, that's what English-language sources appear to support. To offer a vaguely related example, whilst our article on ] explains the term's original Cantonese meaning as "work together", the primary definition in the article is "dedicated or enthusiastic", because even though 工合 has a different meaning in China, ''that's what "gung ho" means to English speakers''. ''Jigai'', being a far less-common term, is harder to call, but the fact remains that we do give precedence to the concept as it's expressed in English sources. ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 13:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
			::{{ping|Staticshakedown}} Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did . Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
	::::I was coming here to say the same thing about reverting. Elvenscout, you really don't want this to come back on you, and it most certainly will. In the future, I suggest contacting an admin as soon as you see a new IP hounding you or acting up. Then they can block the sock and semi-protect the article if need be. You can let me know, though my involvement with Joshu at ''Ugetsu'' means I shouldn't do the blocking or protecting myself; ] and ] have been helpful in responding to the issue, and of course you can go to ANI.--] ]/] 15:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Understood. On the ] issue, I made the mistake of thinking I could discuss the problem myself. And as I have said a few times already, I still was not ''completely'' convinced of sockpuppetry, and I have a habit of taking AGF a bit too far: I didn't want to request any assistance until after the IP had made a blatant 3RR violation. ] (]) 15:50, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::::That show of good faith is commendable. However, this is clearly Joshu evading his block through sockpuppetry, and he's using those socks to engage in further disruption through edit warring and stacking RMs. Even if blocked, if the IP really isn't Joshu they'll have a chance to explain themselves or create an account. Additionally, some folks (like Salvio) will have additional tools they can use to determine one way or another. I'd just operate on the assumption that an IP that shows up behaving like Joshu is probably Joshu.--] ]/] 16:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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			I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? ]<sup>]</sup> 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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			:I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. ] (<small>]]</small>) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
			::I didn't knowingly 'double-down' on anything, I didn't realise you were the original proposer of the move until a few minutes ago. It was a comprehension mistake. I'm sorry you felt my comments were frustrating, I'll aim to be more careful with snipping people's comments in future but I still feel you came back way too hard and assumed I was trying to mislead when in fact I was inviting you to comment as I thought you were a responder to the original move request. I'm bowing out here, let's both agree to be better? ]<sup>]</sup> 14:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
			:::You responded to my that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the ''buke'' class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert ] citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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			I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article ]. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book ''African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan'' by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a '']'': "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.
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			:{{re|Goszei}} I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of ''Japanese'' history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.
			:As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially ]. As for Japanese usage, ''Kojien'' gives the primary meaning of "same as ''saburai'', i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the ] (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).
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			::BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime '']'': the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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			I have noted what you said. Just try to see other editors as potential helpers/allies, rather than opponents. Even if you're not in agreement, if you remain calm and even light-hearted you can easily win people over. ] (]) 08:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
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	I know it's outside of your usual scope, but can you find and translate any good Japanese language sources on the ] article I wrote? There's a real dearth of English sources. :) ] ] 07:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
	:Thanks! It's good to be back. :D ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:By the way, I'm up for that once I have a bit more free time. For the next little bit it looks like most of my Misplaced Pages time will be taken up by dealing with ]'s continuing assumptions of bad faith. He seems to have declared war on me, and is unwilling to listen to reason. My phone's IP is '''obviously''' shared, because ] is on the same ] (the autoblock has prevented me from posting a number of edits from my phone, even while logged-in), but he has now taken it so far as to accuse me of saying that the same IP was JoshuSasori, which I never did... ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:*I've got both your talk pages on my watchlist, so I've seen it building. I think the pair of you just need to try and avoid each other as much as possible. :) ] ] 15:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::He had never dealt with either Tristan noir or Syngmung before he hijacked threads on them in order to try to "catch" me. I can try to avoid him, but he won't try to avoid me -- and as long as I have anything to discuss on AN or ANI he can use the excuse that those are just places he hangs out... ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::I know. Just pointing out to him that his IBAN precludes him from bringing up prior disputes with me, is all. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Although why he gets to insult me (no "bait") and revise history and ''I'm'' the one who gets told off is beyond me ... ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::See my comment at the AfD. I made it safe in the knowledge that it might well come to AfD, and I don't really have an argument in the page's defense. It's my opinion that anyone who meets GNG is notable enough for their ''opinion'' to be noteworthy for inclusion in Misplaced Pages, and I spent a ''lot'' of effort keeping his opinion from being presented as fact here. 'Nuff said. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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			'''Retarget''' It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect {{noredirect|3.11}} that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that {{user|Polyamorph}} "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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			:Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for ''discussion'' is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. ] (]) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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			Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's ''not'' OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to ] and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿&nbsp;] (]&nbsp;])</span> 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
			:FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.
			:Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the ''first'' time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).
			:I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I ''do'' think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me ({{tq|Comparing editors to Nazis}} is actually one of the specific examples listed at ] -- it's actually what got the famous {{noping|Til Eulenspiegel}} <small>initially</small> banned <small>from editing English Misplaced Pages</small>), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and ''the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given ] and has been abusing it'', but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.
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			== Natemup, Stormshadows00, and Katemeshi101 ==
	Interesting. I don't like the use of Latin tags to browbeat other editors myself, and in particular when it isn't easily recognizable as his use of Argumentum "vocatis ollam ollæ nigra" was - I couldn't find that anywhere until he said it meant "physician, heal theyself", usually
	Cura te ipsum or medicus cura teipsum - any comments on this or ideas as to where his version came from?
	Looking at some of your other comments, at Talk BVM I agree with you but Johnbod's a good editor, I doubt that was a personal attack. As for your problem with 'most scholars', I've had that problem also. It is often very obvious but also hard to source when challenged, as it frequently is.
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	:Thing is, in the recent cases I have a Yale professor directly stating "most scholars believe (Peter didn't write either of the epistles attributed to him)". Anyway, regarding the Latin tag: I of course had little difficulty figuring out what M... thought he was saying, but it still didn't apply to half the arguments he was using it to dismiss. The phrase was apparently "coined" by a particular online advocate of Jehovah's Witnesses within the last few months (you can check my Google links for the evidence). To explain much further would be ] the now indeffed user, so I'll hold back, but I'm apparently not the first person to make the connection between the username "M..." and this person, as a Google search of the two names will indicate. (He used "M..." as a pseudonym on other forums than Misplaced Pages.) Note I did ''no'' "opposition research" here: I was confused as to whether this phrase actually exists, and when I Googled it the ''only'' results were all tied to the same named Jehovah's Witness. Regarding BVM: yeah, Johnbod may be a good editor but responding to with shows at best a lack of good-faith. It would be understandable if I was just some anonymous troll who appeared out of nowhere and started attacking articles on Roman Catholicism (although I'd say my edit history is friendlier to Catholics than to, say, Evangelicals), but I've been on Misplaced Pages ''longer'' than him. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
	::Oh, wait: forgot to answer what now seems like your main question. I don't speak Latin myself, but GTranslate is telling me he's saying . ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
			{{ping|Blue Pumpkin Pie}} I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" ] article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.
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			:I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in ], who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right.
			:As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
			:::{{tq|editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict")}} Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai ''because the show is fiction'' and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
			::You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.] (]) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
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			:::Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			::::{{tq|I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration"}} Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. {{tq|Historian Thomas Lockely}} Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, {{tq|almost certainly granted such samurai status}} is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". {{tq|the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong}} That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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	Your AN thread has been merged with another at ANI, please see ]. ]] 15:16, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
			:BTW, I'm ''only'' talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant ]ping/]sing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
	Per your latest post on ANI, you id publish his email, but I believe it to be inadvertent. (although, really, not a tough one to guess) ] (]) 15:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
	:Ugh. So we've found ONE thing he ''technically'' wasn't lying about, although I did just accidentally copy-paste too much of his public forum post, and he did lie to me a bunch of times by claiming he wasn't still canvassing. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
	::Since you have been lying about many issues along the way, just to support your claims and personal war against me, I suggest that you stop and avoid using such bad language. I never lied to you, by the way. ] (]) 20:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
	::*The irony of someone who keeps whining about being accused of lying, and then making the exact same claim, is astounding. Someone needs to ], and a clue; it's not Hijiri. ] ] 21:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::...and yet, you must add your saying... (clue: maybe it's you). ] (]) 02:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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	:You didn't read my comment closely enough. I needed to specify that I was not being ] by !voting delete. Additionally, I suspect I've done more than everyone else combined to educate him, despite his constant attacks against me. You haven't seen the vast majority of my interaction with him because he first insisted on exchanging several e-mails with me. I explained calmly and coolly why a bunch of things don't fly, and he continued to do them anyway. I'm getting pretty sick of it. I don't blame you for not knowing what went on in my e-mail exchanges with him, but I'd appreciate you acknowledging that that's ''his'' fault, not mine. I have actually been more patient and careful with him than I was with ] ] who consensus has already established I was far too nice to. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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	Ano baka na kutsushita no hito wa ima inai/kinjiru. Ishou ni dekimashta. omedito. mah, watashi no nihongo wa honto ni heta ni narimashita. Tango ya bunpo ga zenzen oboemasen! ] (]) 20:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Aussie Article Writer}} Thank you for the message! It was likely a copy-paste error: I'm pretty sure I was copying pieces of the formatting from ], which I had written two weeks earlier. I just checked, and the Tokue article was the source for this sentence as with the rest of the article. Sorry for the confusion! ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
			::Thanks! I’ve fixed it now. - ] (]) 05:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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	:Although honestly I would have liked to see a CU on HarmonySoft to settle that issue as well. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
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			{{ping|CycoMa|Crossroads}} I don't think I was the referent of , but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per ], I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.
	Whatever happens, it is an absolutely no go to call your opponent a "goddamn idiot" . I did not block you only because I do not see warnings at your talk page, and possibly you have never been exposed to the ]. Next time, you can be blocked indeed, by me or by another administrator. Even if you strongly disagree, this is not a way to proceed. Please take this into account.--] (]) 13:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
	:The user in question has been openly lying about me on ANI, and when I asked him to stop and calmly explained why what he was doing was wrong, he continued. I think any good-faith user who looks through all the evidence would agree that I am not the one who was in the wrong. I do apologize for my aggressive tone. I was sorely provoked, but that is not an excuse for lack of civility. Can you please take a look at the context, though? I'm beginning to get very frustrated of virtually everyone in the admin corps ignoring me when I ask for help, and the only people who get involved being random ANI-junkies who like to stoke up drahms. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:52, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
	::Hijiri, I do understand your frustration, and I hope the current ANI thread has a better outcome from your point of view than previous threads. But I think you know it's not appropriate to talk like that to another user, no matter how irritated you are with them. Please don't do it again. (And I'm afraid I don't see the point of apologizing to Ymblanter, you hadn't attacked them, had you?) ] &#124; ] 19:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC).
			My ]ping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics.<small> And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".</small>
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	Fromn I noticed . Let it be reverted. Even when a RM has been messed about the close should be respected. You could and still can leave a message on WP Japan for another editor to put in the same RM again - preferably without disruption. ] (]) 08:47, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
	:Why, though? No one opposed the move. I wouldn't mind appealing the close, but it's been 6 months. And it was ''not'' my fault it took me so long... ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
	::I know, hounded off with real life threats, but all the same best to keep things as clean as possible. Ask for a sponsor editor to RM at WP Jap. If no one else comes forward I will. Cheers. ] (]) 09:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
			Anyway, upon noticing the above comment by CycoMa, I decided that it might be a bad idea to post this:
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	Let me just be clear and even stronger than the two other editors who already commented--your comments at ] were wholly out of line, and, in fact, pretty near likely the opposite of what Toddy1 intended. I get that you feel pushed on from several sides, but due partially to bad luck but partially due to your way of talking, you're 1) making each legitimate complaint you have less likely to be listened to, and 2) putting yourself in danger of being blocked. You may want to consider voluntarily either walking away from Misplaced Pages for a few hours/days, or just focusing on aspects of Misplaced Pages that aren't going to cause you stress. ] (]) 08:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
			::::That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says {{tq|females, rarely males}}. ] (]) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
	::For whatever it is worth, I am on your side in this. Some of these editors are a little trigger happy and fail to discuss differences. Keep up the faith, bro! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:::::<small>(Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.)</small> I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up and as sources indicating that ''atashi'' is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use ''atashi'' to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning ] on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use ''atashi''"): it is '''very''' female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
	::@Hijiri88, deeply disturbing behaviour in last 72 hours by JoshuSasori. I have left a note with Cuchullain to hide history. ] (]) 10:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
			::::::Sorry! It's not obvious from , but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in ] as well as in ]; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is ] that ''atashi'' is feminine (see also ]'s comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances.
			::::::These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language<small> (I focused on ''atashi'' because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are ], although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") </small>but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary<small> ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex")</small>.
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			{{ping|Crossroads}} For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after {{tq|...cares enough to pay for that.}}, but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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			See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with ''they''. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use ''she''. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great ]'s official global site has a history section whose that reads {{tq|Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since '''the its''' establishment.}}, says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of ''press'' releases but simply news updates), their page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be {{tq|Number of Board Members}} is {{tq|Member of the Board}} and what should be something like {{tq|CEO and Representative Director}} is instead the utterly bizarre {{tq|Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO}}; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
	Dwy is uncooperative and most definitely not ]. The fact that he keeps contradicting himself is just infuriating at this point. How is this supposed to be dealt with? ''']'''</span> (]) 02:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
			*Probably should also ping ] and get her take on the matter. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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			:To be totally clear, are you okay with me posting it there as a quote from you? I think these are good points. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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			::Yes, that's totally fine! ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
	Maybe you and Nanshu shouldn't unilaterally remove stuff from the page without a discussion or consensus. —] (]) 16:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
			:::Thanks. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 06:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
	:Please read ]: neither Nanshu nor I require consensus to remove something that was added without and/or against consensus originally. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:33, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	::Content that has been used practically for years before your objections have an implicit consensus for retention.—] (]) 16:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::It has never been used practically for years. Please find one article that was explicitly named according to that convention. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::]. ]. ].—] (]) 17:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::@]: Nope. Both of those newspapers are "official names" and so are the ''opposite'' of "COMMONNAME", and ] was moved to its current title without consensus or any reference to MOS-JA, while the majority interpretation of MOS-JA is in favour of moving Emperor Jimmu to ]. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::It still stands that "Shimbun" is common. If English language sources had "Shinbun" predominate when discussing any of these Japanese newspapers, then our article would be at "Shinbun" instead.—] (]) 08:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::That's not the rule and you know it. The current guideline says "Use ''Asahi Shimbun'' because that's the official name". COMMONNAME doesn't enter into it anywhere. The current guidline contradicts itself, and I intend to bring it to ] once the Jinmu RM closes. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::What a nonsense obsession on semantics. . I honestly don't see this contradiction. Maybe if you could point it out, instead of just deleting a sentence you had issue with, it could be fixed.—] (]) 13:17, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::@] "The modern version of Hepburn romanization requires the use of ''n'' regardless of the following letter, so you should use ''n'', unless the official name of the subject uses ''m''. Also you should determine the common name in reliable sources." This is a contradiction -- either we have a style guideline that requires the use of ''n'' under virtually all circumstances, or use the "common name" in "reliable sources". The fact is that what counts as a "reliable source" is pretty much up in the air. General interest books and magazines qualify as "reliable sources" for factual statements and the like, but they are noticeably less reliable than scholarly journals when it comes to the romanization of Japanese. Encyclopedia Britannica, unlike Misplaced Pages, has a strict style guideline that they stick to in any and all circumstances, even when every single other reliable source disagrees with them. However, Encyclopedia Britannica is also a more widely-used reliable source than the majority of sources that spell it "Gunma". And ], unlike the majority of noteworthy, encyclopedic topics related to Japan, is actually covered in a large number of English-language reliable sources -- what should we do when one or two semi-reliable books on the subject (or fan-sites, I guess would be lingo more related to your area of interest) in English spell it "]", but we can't possibly construct an encyclopedia article based on these? We need to use Japanese-language sources, and for this we need to romanize Japanese words and names, and insisting that we follow the one or two semi-reliable books/fan-sites in this romanization is '''ridiculous'''. Determining the "common name" in "reliable sources" is in most cases impossible, unless the subject has an official name in English. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:54, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::So it is an issue of semantics. I think I've nothing left to say to you regarding this.—] (]) 05:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::::@]: I could quote '']'' here but it might be more constructive to ask you what kind of contradiction in terms is NOT semantic?? Or even if such an oxymoron is possible, how is a "semantic" contradiction in terms not worth fixing? Anyway, if you really think the majority of modern reliable sources say "Emperor Jimmu" why not go over to ] and !vote against the move? I'll be sure to ANI you for ], though; I let you away with this on ] but not anymore. ] (<small>]]</small>) 09:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Please stop pinging me. And don't assume that because I did not answer you immediately that it gives you carte blanche to restore our prefered wording at ].—] (]) 14:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::You did respond to me immediately. Your response was "I didn't read your message, and I'm not interested in discussing with you". ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	{{od}}I didn't realize the time span of several hours meant you could do what you wanted.—] (]) 16:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:You specifically said you were done discussing. Therefore, I was justified in assuming, you know, you were done discussing. Your proposed changes have been rejected by me, and supported by no one. Therefore, they are not "supported by consensus" any more than any of the changes you have reverted. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::No one has weighed in but you. I don't see how what I've proposed is any different from the original text in meaning. You just seem to not want "COMMONNAME" to be in there because of the Jimmu/Jinmu RM.—] (]) 16:47, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::The original text said ''m'' is only "allowed" when it is part of an "official" name. I admit it's vague and can be interpreted a number of ways (why I plan on bringing it for discussion after the RM closes), but your interpretation based on COMMONNAME is not the most intuitive one, as indicated by the fact that virtually everyone on the Jinmu RM interprets COMMONNAME to refer only to subjects widely-known outside Japan, and virtually no one there interprets MOS-JA to say the same thing as COMMONNAME. In fact, MOS-JA '''should not''' say the same thing as COMMONNAME; we don't use romanization guidelines in cases where there is a COMMONNAME (try asking on WT:COMMONNAME like I did last August -- they all agree that COMMONNAME does not apply to articles not widely-known in the English-speaking world); MOS-JA is specifically for subjects that have no COMMONNAME. ] (<small>]]</small>) 17:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::Article titles should reflect the most common name for the subject of the article. Perhaps 神武 is more commonly "Jimmu" even though in Japan it's officially "Jinmu". The RM will take care of that. Maybe if I was as adamant about the rules I find to be stifling on ] I would have gotten rid of the bit that says "don't use wave dashes/tildes in article titles for songs and albums" instead of obsessively creating discussions to see if consensus can change on this matter.—] (]) 19:58, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
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	You do seem to talk a lot about me pushing POV. I'm not really sure what you mean, considering that all of my article edits (and many of my talk page edits) are properly cited, often to mainstream Christian scholars. Care to be specific about which POV you think I'm pushing? ] (]) 06:19, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
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	::Not suggesting discussing article content here. Just asking what POV you think I'm pushing. Which you've never told me. ] (]) 06:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
	:::The POV that Jesus of Nazareth never existed. You continue to argue for a long, confusing (or even a short, confusing) article that implies there is some sort of scholarly debate on the issue, and that alligns virtually all secular, critical scholars in the "the Gospels aren't reliable, therefore Jesus never existed" camp. Virtually all agree with the former clause in that statement, but none agree with the ''non sequitur'' conclusion your preferred version of the article heavily implies.
	:::Earlier today you even change "virtually all scholars" to "the majority scholars"!
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	::::Really? OK... if that's what you thought I was "pushing," you misread me.
	::::*The POV that Jesus never existed (essentially CMT) is based on speculation. I don't think that's appropriate for an article on history.
	::::*"the Gospels aren't reliable, therefore Jesus never existed" - Definitely a non-sequitur. Though I accept the analysis of a number of scholars that the gospels are not historically reliable, I can't see how that provides any proof that Jesus didn't exist. And I can't see how you got the impression that I'd support such a ridiculous assertion.
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	:::::The previous version of our article on whether or not Jesus existed (the version you are now trying ''desperately'' to restore) devoted roughly 80% of its content to discussion of how the gospels are unreliable, how scholars disagree on the historical Jesus, how some "historical" Jesus models are actually Christian apologetical tracts, etc., etc. These gross proportions were almost guaranteed to lead readers to the incorrect conclusion that these factors add up to a general lack of consensus on ''whether Jesus existed''. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
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			Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and ''every one of them'' uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? ] ] 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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			:Are you sure? Most ''linguistics'' sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-''Kokinshū'' waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting ''de facto'' semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
			::I merely came across this as I'm writing the ] article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.
			::::''"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)"'' -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.
			::::'' "Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese."'' -- page 16-17.
			:::: ''"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin"'' -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.
			::So I would be interested to ''see'' those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. ] ] 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
			:::Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned , which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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	Hijiri can you tell me that how Emperor Jimmu's historicity is disputed? ] (]) 16:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
	::He supposedly lived in the 7th century BCE. The first time an extant historical document mentions him is 1,400 years later. Any figure who survived only in the oral tradition for that long is automatically of doubtful historicity. Additionally, the name "Emperor Jinmu" is a historical anachronism arbitrarily assigned to him decades ''after'' said historical document was compiled; the "historicity of Kan'yamato Iware-biko" is arguably a different matter from the "historicity of Emperor Jinmu". I think the dates are, of course, a weak argument; the fact that several generations of emperors after him have no legendary narratives attributed to them, and the reign-dates were clearly consciously extended, indicates to me that Jinmu is more likely to have been historical than several of his successors, and he may have actually lived some time in maybe the second century CE. This is of course all ], and I would avoid adding this claim to an article without a reliable secondary source -- did I do so on some occasion? ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC) ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
	:::It must be clarified on that article too, that why his historicity is still disputed. ] (]) 03:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
	::::Fire ahead, but find some reliable sources first. I have never added a claim on the matter one-way-or-the-other to the article proper, so I don't have any decent sources on the issue on hand. (Read: Please don't copy-paste my above talk-page comment into the article space and attribute it to me. :P ) ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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	:Umm ... how exactly could that edit have been made in good faith? I implemented a change to the guideline, and edited the examples to conform to the new wording. I then started to work systematically fixing all the articles to conform to the wording too. I unfortunately missed one particularly apt one I should have perhaps dealt with first. Instead of making the change him/herself <!-- I know IPs can't move or create pages, but still... -->they went partially reverted my (consensus-backed) edit to the guideline page. This in all a matter of days -- it's not like that red link was laying there for months on end waiting to be fixed by a user who just happened across it by accident. This is not an excuse for making personal attacks, but "childish undermining" is hardly an inaccurate description of that behaviour, and pointing out that it's not my responsibility to do all the work myself within a particular time frame (]) and that rather than pressurize/criticize me it would have been better for them to ] was perfectly apt. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
	:: Before anything, just remember that we aren't supposed to ]. The IP has only been active for few months. It's easy to assume good faith when the user was claiming to have been "fixing red link" (direct quote from their summary). It's a wiki. Just revert it back. Problem solved. What's the big deal? No need for your harsh wording in your comment. --] (]) 17:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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	I am sorry but I am not the best at editing Misplaced Pages articles so I don't know all the tags to use or how to cite everything correctly. However, if you did Google Dragon Ball Online Revelations you will see multiple articles by multiple sites. Sites like Destructoid and Dragon Ball Insider are also very credible. Contact them if you need further information. I am also the same user as Dboeditor but I only made that account because I forgot the password and email I used so I created this account and are going to only use this account. The other user you posted on my talk page was, however, not me. If you are looking for a more credible source, the Dragonball Insider page would be better and it has more updated information (however it is still not perfectly up to date). is the link of that article. It is a 2014 source but seeing as it is still the first month of 2015 it might take a little bit to get a 2015 source. Also, that article has been updated throughout the year to include more information about the project. The home site I posted also has valuable information on the home page. Like a general FAQ of the project and the legality information you requested . Much more information can be found on the site. There is also a Facebook page giving constant updates . As well as a page. There are many articles covering the project including a couple that are from known sources and should be more reliable. There is also the legality information and all the information you will need on the project in the links posted. I'm not sure what else I could give you to convince you that the project is real and reliable. In the edit history, multiple other users have added the project in the page in the past as well.
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	I think the productive way to reorganize that page is to cited as theory the theories, and then provide the actual literature which surveys and challenges or confirms those ideas as theories. Yamanoue no Okura is a good example. These ideas are in circulating, after all, and giving readers guidance as to their status, often dubious, can be more enlightening than mere erasure.] (]) 09:03, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
	:@]: I like that idea in theory: but he's ] who ] have speculated originated in ]. We've also got the problem that he's arguably the famous writer of Japanese classical poetry who had ''very little'' influence of Japanese poets of later ages (he was only "rediscovered" in the 20th century), so writing about him in the context of that article, under its current title (by the way, I liked your talk page post, but can I take it you'd support an RM to a more reasonable title?) and surrounded by the remote fringe material (how does Japanese in the 17th century importing movable type from the continent count as a "Korean influence on Japanese culture" -- on ANI Jagello as two "renowned and mainstream Japanologists"]] who are representative of the sourcing in the article, when they are both only cited in that one paragraph...) is not something I want to take responsibility for.
	:Both Jagello and KoreanSentry will be indefinitely blocked pretty soon anyway. Even if CU doesn't prove they've been engaging in sockpuppetry (I don't think those two accounts are the same, by the way; I think they are two separate people who have both edited the article in the past under different usernames) they are SPAs who need to be blocked per ] (and their poor English brings CIR concerns into it as well). Once they're out of the picture, the only person trying to reinstate the previous wording as is will be CN, and you and I both know how to work with him. Once the incomprehensible synth has been washed out, little bits of properly verified, factual and ''relevant'' material can be gradually added piece by piece. I'd be happy to write about the Okura toraijin theory in the article then. Despite what ] would tell you, I actually don't take the attitude that "Okura was Korean" or that "Misplaced Pages should claim unqualifiedly that Okura was Korean" -- it's a very popular theory among scholars, but so is the idea that ]. (Sorry, the comparison is a bit 専門外 for me -- ] and ] are both respected, mainstream sources on the Dead Sea scrolls sect, right?)
	:] (<small>]]</small>) 14:11, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
	:By the way, ]: You wouldn't happen to know anyone who speaks Korean and is a good snoop when it comes to off-wiki canvassing, would you? I've dealt with the issue before now (in the ] and ] debacles) but in both those cases the canvassing was done in my native language on easily searchable message boards. It's practically a given that Korean nationalists discuss English Misplaced Pages's coverage of these disputes off-site (just read some of ...), but I'd be interested to know if it's happened recently, in relation to this article... ] (<small>]]</small>) 14:30, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::No. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who speaks Korean (I only know a few people who speak Japanese, for that matter!)
	:::No problems with ridding the place of arseholes. When you have a repetitive behavior issue on a contested article, one can be Manichaean (delete/restore) or, um, intelligent, by which I mean, reimagining the material as a meta-subject, so that the war over putative facts becomes a discussion of theories, and of poor sources as opposed to the ongoing results of scholarship. Take an example I haven't mentioned. Man'yõ 1:5 幸讃岐國安益郡之時軍王見山作歌, 軍王, though mostly read as ''Ikusa no opokimi/Ikusa no ōkimi'' has a reading attached to it ''Konikishi no opokimi,'' introduced from a misprision of the correlated section in the Nihon Shoki, and has been used to hazard the idea that this is a reference to a king of Paekche. Well, there's a lot of this kind of stuff around, but rather than dismiss it, I reckon it's more enjoyable to showcase the speculation, and show that, where this is the case, scholarship has either dismissed it, regarded it as weak evidence, or entertained also other interpretations that are not congruent with the theory. As to the wonderful Yamanoue no Okura, he was born in Korea, and that means nothing, given the ethnic complexity there. Getting the facts right, about his father's job at one court over there, where two languages were spoken, and his removal to Japan when Yamamoue was 4, etc., trumps any illusion that we are dealing with a 'Korean' poet. The page could be interesting if one used it to survey the problem of these attributions, which is discussed at length in Japanese sources I'm sure you're familiar with. Cheers ] (]) 15:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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	Hello Hijiri88. I want to follow up here about the topic of ANI section titles, rather than at ANI, to avoid extending off-topic discussion within the ANI incident that you opened. You objected to my changing the section title at the section originally and currently named: "User:Catflap08 ignoring what I say and abusing RFD, and seems to have serious CIR issues" (current link: ]; permalink ) You stated: "Revert. WP:TALKNEW is for article talk pages, where, indeed, threads about particular users are generally a bad thing. ANI is for repirting user problems, and the assertion that it is inappropriate to give another's username in the title of a tread about that user is ridiculous."
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	1) It's a fair point, that at least on the face of it ] would seem to apply only to article talk pages. And further, even if it applies to all Talk pages, actually wp:ANI is in Misplaced Pages space and is not in Talkspace; the Talk page for ANI is for general discussion about ANI and is not where specific ANI cases are discussed and resolved. But, in my view, ] is in fact clearly also about section titles at administrative noticeboards. It states:
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	:My interpretation: It is saying that using a username in an ANI section heading is allowed, but not within a non-neutral complete title, or, in other words, not when combined with a negative characterization. So avoid matching a username plus a negative characterization. E.g. "Conduct of user:username" is neutral and okay, but not "User:username is continuing tendentious edits" (which uses a verb phrase that characterizes the user's conduct negatively) and not "Incompetent and tendentious user:username" (which uses an adjective phrase characterizing the user negatively).
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	:And further, expressing a negative characterization alone, without naming a user, is okay. E.g. "Continuing tendentious edits at article Article" would not on its own constitute a personal attack, and is okay. It is more polite, leaving open the possibility that editors may disagree about who has been tendentious, if editors agree that indeed there has been tendentious editing. Such a label will not convey a negative accusation about a specific user in the default edit summaries that will repeat the title; it does not prejudge what is the consensus judgment about a specific user; a later link to the archived section does not imply that a negative accusation about a specific user was found to be the consensus outcome; later mention of the label is not hurtful to a victim unfairly accused.
			Please, can you help me with these translations from Japanese to English: ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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	2) It's also fair for you to note "the assertion that it is inappropriate to give another's username in the title of a tread about that user is ridiculous". I don't disagree with that. It's okay to use a NEUTRAL section title like "Conduct of username", and that is often done. What I object to, and I believe wp:TALKNEW disallows, is combining a username with a negative characterization.
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			:::{{ping|79.16.244.59}} Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?
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	3) I also want to say that I don't mean anything personal towards you, and in fact I believe your section title was in line with general practice. I want to change what is the general practice, however, and i have been making a point of retitling in other ANI sections recently (e.g. as in , which was not disputed, and per ] which seemed to reach good agreement).
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	:@]: It's bedtime here, so I'll read your comment tomorrow and get back to you shortly. I am glad to engage in dialogue with other users. I was not offended by your edits, just frustrated. If you read through you will know why I was frustrated. (Yes, I'm aware of the hypocrisy of asking you to read a massive comment while admitting that I have yet to read yours.) I apologize for my gruffness earlier. I'll be in touch soon. Cheers! ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
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	::Okay, thanks, no problem. I did just read your long post, and appreciate it. I understand your frustration about the title change breaking links from your contribution history, and I didn't think beforehand about that effect. My point is a peripheral, off-topic issue, relative to the complicated situation you describe. I made my point (or tried but failed to make my point) and am fine / done. While I don't think I am "misinterpreting" the talknew guideline, exactly, I am making a seemingly odd point (asserting that a common practice in ANI section titles is not good), and it seemed that I was implying ANI threads can't describe actions of other editors can't be described as they appear. I meant, but did not communicate adequately, that for various reasons the section title, only, should not have a judgmental label; of course it is essential that the opening statement (OP?) within the section must be explicit in naming user(s) and in describing negative actions. I think i erred in the revised title i suggested, would probably suggest something different if i could go back, too. And i'll have a think and/or plan to consult others about whether re-titling amounts to changing anothers' words inappropriately (even though i did restate the original title). Thank you, actually, for giving me the feedback that my title change and communication didn't work as intended; it will help me do better in the future.
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	I did not notice that you had partially stuck out the sentence, so I reverted a comment there. But the problem still remains . You have still left misrepresentations. It says it looks like I tried to deliberately undermine a discussion. "The recent close ''looks like'' a deliberate attempt to undermine this". I have no stake in this page, I have never edited it, and at the moment wish I had never seen it. But I will not be dragged through the mud. {{u|Cunard}} never supported what you have written about deliberately undermining. Please strike that sentence completely. ] 03:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
	:I never said you intended to undermine Dekimasu's edits. I said your edits had that effect. I stated numerous times that your timing was an unfortunate mistake. I never said or implied that you ''intended'' to do so. Are you asking me to strike my whole comment? I asked you to undo your closing statement because I felt it had the effect of undermining Dekimasu's edits, and you complied, for which I am thankful, but it's not entirely clear what you want me to do -- am I supposed to change my opinion that your post had the effect of undermining Dekimasu's edits? If so, why did you undo it? ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
	::I undid the RFC because Silktork showed that it didnt make any difference if it was done or not. At that point the close didnt matter. I am asking you to strike from "The recent close looks like" to the end, basically the last sentence. ] 12:51, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
	:::@]: So you're asking me to strike my ''opinion'' that it ''looks like'' it has that ''effect''? Seems like a rather odd request, but in the spirit of AGF I'll comply nonetheless. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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	I've thus hacked out stuff, and notes in-text that no doubt are useful reminders for you, and that may seem disconcerting. But with the several sources we have already linked for reading, a fair basic overview is quite easy to make within a day or two.
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Re: 'Xinjiang' in apple

I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in apple because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit here and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not trying to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective WP:IFITAINTBROKE interpretation. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? Peter coxhead (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

All interpretations of WP:IFITAINTBROKE are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh Tian Shan in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, Mount Hua, Qilian Mountains, the mountain ranges of the Tibetan and the Loess Plateau). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved WP:LINKCLARITY; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.

Secondly, also for you @Peter coxhead, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of WP:LINKCLARITY—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is not a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are kinda in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to China proper as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and definitely not "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).

I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to Kyoto as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "east-of-the-barrier" and "west-of-the-barrier" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase Northwest China and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our Shaanxi article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is not an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument against using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked both sources and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.

I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.@Nardog: I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally disagreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.

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Deletion of referenced paragraph at Mottainai

I just saw your edit deleting 1,444b at Mottainai. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions ("... don't get in trouble again"). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Harrassment by this Wikipedian

I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, see here. Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."

Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is specifically about Japanese poetry (the Haiku in English article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about repeatedly reinserting content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Staticshakedown: Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did here. Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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I have unwatched Onna-musha having found your response aggressive

I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? Mountaincirque 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't knowingly 'double-down' on anything, I didn't realise you were the original proposer of the move until a few minutes ago. It was a comprehension mistake. I'm sorry you felt my comments were frustrating, I'll aim to be more careful with snipping people's comments in future but I still feel you came back way too hard and assumed I was trying to mislead when in fact I was inviting you to comment as I thought you were a responder to the original move request. I'm bowing out here, let's both agree to be better? Mountaincirque 14:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

You responded to my saying that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the buke class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert LLC citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for review at Yasuke

Hello Hijiri,

I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article Yasuke. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a hatamoto: "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.

Your insight and knowledge would be much appreciated. — Goszei (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Goszei: I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of Japanese history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.

As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially slang. As for Japanese usage, Kojien gives the primary meaning of "same as saburai, i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the Japanese middle ages (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime Afro Samurai: the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Apologising

I have noted what you said. Just try to see other editors as potential helpers/allies, rather than opponents. Even if you're not in agreement, if you remain calm and even light-hearted you can easily win people over. John Smith's (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean... I know that, but I'm not trying to win anyone over. I wanted to fix the "onabu-geisha" hoax, and unless you or some unnamed third party are trying to undo that, I don't see any disagreement, let alone a need to argue or convince anyone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Edit conflict with speedy close

Retarget Wait, what!? It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect 3.11 that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that Polyamorph (talk · contribs) "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for discussion is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. Polyamorph (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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@Elizium23: I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on Talk:Yasuke and Talk:Samurai, I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited no sources for the better part of a month before eventually citing Misplaced Pages, while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a WP:POINT). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on Samurai implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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Between suspicion and aspersion

Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's not OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to WP:SPI and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.

Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the first time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).

I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I do think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me (Comparing editors to Nazis is actually one of the specific examples listed at WP:WIAPA -- it's actually what got the famous Til Eulenspiegel initially banned from editing English Misplaced Pages), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given WP:ROPE and has been abusing it, but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.

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Natemup, Stormshadows00, and Katemeshi101

@Blue Pumpkin Pie: I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" Yasuke article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.

Extended content

I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right. As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC) editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict") Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai because the show is fiction and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC) You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC) Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC) I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. Historian Thomas Lockely Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, almost certainly granted such samurai status is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

However, if you would like to continue handling the matter, I can offer you whatever advice/assistance you may want (beyond the above replies that I decided not to post) here on my own talk page.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I'm only talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant WP:FORUMSHOPping/WP:CANVASsing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Dangling ref

Hi Hijiri88, I have been working on fixing dangling references that have no corresponding sources, and it appears you added a ref to Aisome-gawa (otogi-zōshi) in this edit. Do you know the source? For now, I have hidden the source. Let me know if you need any assistance if you do know the source! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 04:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Aussie Article Writer: Thank you for the message! It was likely a copy-paste error: I'm pretty sure I was copying pieces of the formatting from Aisome-gawa (Noh), which I had written two weeks earlier. I just checked, and the Tokue article was the source for this sentence as with the rest of the article. Sorry for the confusion! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ve fixed it now. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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BLUD

@CycoMa and Crossroads: I don't think I was the referent of this edit, but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per WP:PACT, I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.

My WP:FORUMSHOPping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the initial post was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics. And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".

Anyway, upon noticing the above comment by CycoMa, I decided that it might be a bad idea to post this:

Possible accidental bludgeoning. Clarification of (non-)use of atashi by (cisgender?) men, and elaboration on why it's not that important.

That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says females, rarely males. Newimpartial (talk) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.) I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up this and this as sources indicating that atashi is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use atashi to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning WP:BURDEN on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use atashi"): it is very female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC) Sorry! It's not obvious from my edit summary, but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in jidaigeki as well as in rakugo; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is WP:BLUE that atashi is feminine (see also User:EvergreenFir's comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances. These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language (I focused on atashi because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are what I would call determiners, although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex"). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Your thoughts?

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I'm feeling very "seen" right now

I won't go into details, but I'd like to thank the editors (they know who they are) who have helped me through this relatively very difficult time. :-) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

<small/> tags on ANI_tags_on_ANI-2021-11-18T09:21:00.000Z">

Your <small> tags on your comment here appear to be breaking the rest of the page - at least for me. Could you fix them. Thanks.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)_tags_on_ANI"> _tags_on_ANI">

Someones fixed it now.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WP:ANI that involves you

As a courtesy see here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

FTR I have no idea who Cavalryman is. I guess it refers to either Reyk or Piotrus. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

No, there is an actual user named Cavalryman and he's not the same person as me or Piotrus. Reyk _YO! 17:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Reyk: Sorry, I had hoped it would be clear that I was joking about the absurdity of Cavalryman having "invited" me to participate at ANI when I had known about the ANI thread(s) almost a month ago, mentioned it on the talk pages of both you and Piotrus (who was the first one to notify me), expressed my simultaneous feeling of responsibility and reluctance to comment multiple times, and actually commented before any interaction with Cavalryman (who I only responded to in a capacity that I felt was so peripheral to the discussion that I made my text small). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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I'm pretty sure that the wording of my questions to the various ArbCom candidates just now would have been permissible even if BANEX did not cover questions to potential Arbitrators who may be assessing an appeal of a ban to which my question applies in the future. However, I feel fairly confident that it does apply, at least as much as my question on Beeblebrox's talk page here (which, unlike my question to the ArbCom candidates, actually mentioned the other IBAN party by name six times). And yeah, sorry about not getting around to posting that appeal yet. It was always a pretty low priority, and I haven't even been able to write any WAM articles this year, so it looks like it'll be another while. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I couldn't find a way to properly phrase this as a question without simply saying "Would you support my appeal if I made it again at some point next year?", which doesn't feel appropriate. Opabinia regalis's answer (courtesy ping) was excellent, but I'm kinda regretting not going further in on the specific details in my initial question (which, needless to say, was worded with deliberate vagueness). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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You wanna take this?

@Crossroads: For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after ...cares enough to pay for that., but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with they. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use she. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great Mitsubishi's official global site has a history section whose front page that reads Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since the its establishment., says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of press releases but simply news updates), their Corporate Profile page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be Number of Board Members is Member of the Board and what should be something like CEO and Representative Director is instead the utterly bizarre Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Probably should also ping User:Tamzin and get her take on the matter. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

To be totally clear, are you okay with me posting it there as a quote from you? I think these are good points. Crossroads 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's totally fine! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Crossroads 06:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Yamato kotoba

Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and every one of them uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? Xia 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure? Most linguistics sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-Kokinshū waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting de facto semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I merely came across this as I'm writing the hu:Vago article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.

"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)" -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.

"Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese." -- page 16-17.

"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin" -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.

So I would be interested to see those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. Xia 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, this is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned this book, which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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	In July 2015 around 15.5% of the English Misplaced Pages's biographies were about women. As of July 2023, 19.61% of the English Misplaced Pages's biographies are about women. That's a lot of biographies created in the effort to close the gender gap. Happy 8th Anniversary! Join us for some virtual cake and add comments or memories and please keep on editing to close the gap!

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Hello!

Hi, Hijiri88,

I came across an SPI case you filed and realized it had been a long, long time since I ran into you on the project. I hope you are well and just busy with off-line life. A lot of the ANI crowd from 5 or 7 years ago has either left the project and retired or are not hanging out by noticeboards any longer so things seem much more quiet lately (although I don't frequent noticeboards like I did as a new editor so my judgment might be off).

I hope you can return to contributing should you be grabbed by the desire to improve articles. Just thought I'd let you know that I noticed you've been gone and that you've been back recently. Take care, Liz 22:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Translations

Please, can you help me with these translations from Japanese to English: Kotanbetsu (ja:古丹別駅), Onishika (ja:鬼鹿村), Brown Bear Storm (ja:羆嵐), Japan Hunting Friends Association (ja:大日本猟友会), Hokkaido Government Police Department (ja:北海道庁警察部), Haboro Police Station (ja:羽幌警察署), 28th Infantry Regiment (Japan) (ja:歩兵第28連隊), Japan Action Enterprise (ja:ジャパンアクションエンタープライズ), Kaoru Takagi (ja:高木薫), Hokkaido Wine (ja:北海道ワイン). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.21.33.91 (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it? 79.16.244.59 (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hijiri hasn't edited since November 26....be patient. Lectonar (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@79.16.244.59: Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?

@Lectonar: Thanks for the assist!

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Motoori Norinaga has been nominated for deletion

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@Mason and Marcocapelle: (Sorry to be late on this.) Out of curiosity, how many articles do you think this category should have included? I've been told (I forget when and by whom, but it was likely between 2015 and 2017) that a cat that includes only one article is a violation of our guidelines. I have, therefore, since been careful not to create categories without including at least two articles. (Hence why, when I created Category:Fujiwara no Teika, I apparently added exactly three articles to it before I considered it "safe" and stopped before adding Shin Kokin Wakashū, Matsuranomiya monogatari, or Historical kana orthography.) But your comments at the above-linked discussion both seem to imply that this category would have been deletion-worthy even if English Misplaced Pages already had articles on Norinaga's other highly influential works like Tama no Ogushi and Kokinshū Tōkagami. (In theory, a navbox would make even an amply filled category redundant, wouldn't it?)

Would either of you be opposed to me immediately recreating the category and adding Motoori Norinaga, Kojiki-den, and Mono no aware to it? Or would it be necessary to create some more articles on?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

• You seem to confuse goals and means. The goal is to have more articles on Misplaced Pages with relevant content. So if you can create more articles, please start with that first, regardless of in whuch categories the articles will end up. Categories are a means to navigate between related articles easily, they are not a goal in itself and there is no hurry in creating new categories at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Category:20th-century Japanese short stories

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Pardon to ask

Hello, pardon before. But if you dont mind, may i ask if this source is credible for wikipedia?

https://kokusho.nijl.ac.jp/biblio/100164361/48?ln=ja

Im on reviewing Tachibana Dosetsu page and found this link in the japanese version of Misplaced Pages 139.193.50.17 (talk) 04:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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request

would it be possible to have your support on the Yasuke-article? i saw in the archives your name and i think, that your knowlege about Yasuke could benefit the article and the sources about paper in Japan about this figure. I am personally mainly interested about the Japanese academic view about his slavery background. --ErikWar19 (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I don't care about Ubisoft videogames and I am frankly disgusted having expressed an interest in Japanese history on this site and elsewhere has now caused people who clearly have no knowledge of or interest in Japan to see me as a "brother in arms". I don't know why someone whose account is two months old would be reaching out to mostly retired editors about articles they worked on three years ago, but this is super suspicious. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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