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== Ahmadilis ==

hi can you look on page ahmadilis a guy has added a reference from Iranian wikipedia and the author is not a historian, I did the same. The rulers have Turkish names!Turkic_ Warrior 13:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

:I'm fairly certain Kenneth A. Luther was a historian. Have you taken this to the talk page and started a discussion? The talk page would be an excellent place to present all the sources and find a consensus. --] (]) 19:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I have read, well done kansas bear.thank you for taking your time to solve it :) Turkic_ Warrior 21:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Not a problem. --] (]) 22:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== I ask you somethink. ==

Why did you delete what I wrote? I ask you something. This is theory consists, then Why Xiongnu is in History of the Mongolic peoples template? ] (]) 12:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

:I ask you something, why come to my talk page and make outrageous claims without '''any''' academic sources to back you up? Did I create History of the Mongolic peoples? Then I would suggest you talk to the creator of that article. You want to place Huns, Xiongnu, et. al. in your Turkic people template, start a discussion, bring your source(s) and gain a consensus. --] (]) 16:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

But sources are available in templates. ] (]) 17:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

:See, now you are ]. Clearly you are not a "new" user, and since you are using an IP address, you are most likely a blocked editor back pushing the same POV that has been tried over and over and over and over again. When reading the article, I find no mention of Turkic anything. If you are going to try the ] as a means to push your POV, , <u>none being given undue weight</u>. The Xiongnu connection is addressed in the lead and has a source stating '''no connection'''. With the ] article, I see '''6''' sourced origins, '''none''' being given ]. The ] article . I believe this clearly explains undue weight, clearly shows that Turkic is not a prevailing academic consensus and we are done here. --] (]) 18:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

== Enough rope? ==
O.Turani is being discussed. ] (]) 00:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
:See also . Since you are someone who has worked on this part of the world, can you provide any background? It's my guess that the person reported is most likely a sock, but it's hard to quickly understand this without knowing about the content issues. It seems that you clashed with Turan22 . There are possibly-related SPIs at:
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:There was an AN3 about someone named ] . Turan22 was trying to make a possibly-Persian famous astronomer, ] into an Uzbek.

:Is someone trying to promote the significance of Uzbeks in past historical events? Were the ] actually Uzbeks? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks, ] (]) 19:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

::If some people are trying to push a Uzbek POV into articles they are doing it in the wrong way. As for O.Turani being a sock, at this point it's rather moot, his continued edit warring, lack of competence in English and ], should result in his permanent ban.
::This area is on the fringe of where I research/study, however '''IF''' the Timurids are Uzbek, where are the sources for this? I found , which mentions Timurds and Uzbeks as two separate groups. presents the Uzbeks and Timurids as opponents.
::Here is something interesting, ''Rehabilitating Timur: This could only be achieved by regarding the actual Uzbek impact on Central Asia as unimportant and the attachment of the Uzbek name to a significant portion of it as incidental. Accomplishing this revision involved posthumously renaming the contemporary rivals and opponents of the Uzbeks--the Timurids--as Uzbeks. That directive required the cultural ideologists for Central Asia to accept the famed conqueror ] and his attainments as positive feature in Uzbek historiography. That rehabilitation of Amir Timur and the Timurids helped the revisionists de-emphasize the accomplishments and genealogy of the sixteenth-century Shaybanids and the closely related seventeenth-century Ashtarkhanids.''" --Edward Allworth, ''The Modern Uzbeks: From the Fourteenth Century to the Present'', page 242. also reinforces what Allworth states. I believe that gives us an answer. --] (]) 20:17, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
{{od}} O'Turani's been blocked less than 12 hours and the first sock appears. Already reported at ] ] (]) 17:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== hi ==

kansas bear can you help me on the page naimans they are turkic but some say vandal when i edit,Mehmeett21 <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Removal of references ==

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:I do not see that as a viable reason to leave a clearly unreliable source in an article. --] (]) 02:05, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

::I didn't say it's the reason to keep the '''reference''' to an allegedly unreliable source – I said it's a reason to remove all the unreliable '''material''' which is referenced from the unreliable source (if the source, and more importantly, the information itself, is considered unreliable). Don't break the material–reference link. It's not a reference that's unreliable, it's the referenced information itself. So decision to keep or remove should be made about the article material and not simply the referencing citation. So it's together that they either stay or go. ] (]) 07:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

== A major problem ==

This guy ] is getting on my nerves now. I am trying to expand this article , but he simply reverts me . If i try to discuss with him, he will most likely ignore me and if i revert the edit, he will revert it back and keep ignoring me. What would you do if you were in my place? If you have time and the will, i would really much appreciate some help here, because this is becoming problematic. --] (]) 20:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

:Start a discussion, addressing whatever his concerns are with your edits. That is what I would do. --] (]) 02:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

This guy just won't stop. And thinks that Britannica is reliable. Kansas Bear, could you do me and favor and help me make this guy stop? now his next target is ] and i have tried to discuss with him but it is hopeless . I can't expand articles when this guy reverts my edits every time and no one bats an eye. --] (]) 20:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

:Are you seriously arguing over whether Ahmad Sanjar was the longest reigning Muslim ruler? I'm not sure I would worry about something like that. --] (]) 00:26, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, if he get what he wants it will only get worse. A good example is this article , where I after some time said to myself "never mind, it isn't worth it". But now it has only got worse. He needs to learn that he can't do these things, because he is beginning to target the articles i edit. --] (]) 01:25, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
:], you can always try the ]. ] (]) 01:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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== False edit summary ==

Hi. Can you check ? He removed 2 sources and marked his edit as minor. Also, his edit summary is not clear. Plus, I guess he did same removals on some other articles. It looks like he removes what he does not like, and writes disruptive edit summaries. Thanks. --] (]) 18:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

:''Prima facie'', it appears he removed a repeated reference. Also, Percy Sykes should <u>not</u> be used as an historical source, Sykes was not an historian. Therefore, I am removing the Sykes "source". --] (]) 00:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
@Zyma, I just saw you talk about me. Sorry, but I don't delete what I don't like. Check my edits once again please before you write libellous comments aboout me. ''(P.S. I'll not keep to discuss on Kansas Bear's talk page.)'' @Kansas Bear, I left a comment ], I hope you can check it.Cheers!--] (]) 11:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:Oh, I have responded. Clearing up someone's gigantic error in linking to the '''wrong''' ], which I removed. I have also left links on the talk page clearly showing that the historian David Yerushalmi, of the Tel Aviv University, is the author of ''The Jews of Iran in The Nineteenth Century: Aspects of History, Community, and Culture''. Enjoy! --] (]) 03:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
::Okay. I don't see any issues. --] (]) 10:27, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

== Disruptive editing on Nader Shahs invasion article ==

Hello Kansas Bear,

You had reverted this disruptive edit back from a certain editor (Aradhyasharma), but he has put his same disruptive addition back again.] This is the third time right now he's putting that stuff back. I'm reporting this here so that you can take the according measures needed here.

Regards and thanks!

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== Seljukide article ==
hello,
I didn't understand why you have undone my modifications to this article. I would like to talk with you over my corrections, but please change only modifications if there is a strong reason and discussed somewhere.

I understand that there is a confusion about the terms Iran and Persia. That's why I change it whenever it is necessary.

Terms Iran and Persia have actually the same meaning, even though they may have different historical weights. Iran is the name of this land for his people for at least 1800 years, after Sassanian empire (II° century CE). It refers all the time to a political "state". This state has been conquered many times and changed geographically but politically it remained a defined entity. Persia is an Hellenistic word originated by the use of ancient Greeks for this land and could be referred to ancient Iran (500BC-200 CE). Western historians used this word to refer to this country but this is exactly as you use Germany instead of Deutschland or Egypt instead of Misr. The problem is that since the beginning of 20th century, the same western historians use the term Iran for the same continuous political entity (of course forced by Iranian government at 1935!). When we use Persia, it is seemed that we are talking about a country disappeared, an ancient civilization or something like that. There were many "new" countries in Asia after the World War I. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, ... are examples of these countries even though the land and the people existed before. But this does not concern Iran, as the change of the name was purely for foreign diplomatic use! There is of course a Persian language and not an Iranian language! We can accept also referring to "Persian" culture as something over passing the country of Iran, but not for a dynasty, as it governs a land and not a culture!

Concerning Seljukides, they started to govern this "entity" of Iran. After the death of Malik Shah I, a branch continued in Anatolia and became "Seljukides of Rum" and so separated from Iranian history which refers to the same political land.
(] (]) 13:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC))

:Actually, your change is POV and linking it is grossly anachronistic, since the Islamic Republic of Iran did not exist in 1037! No amount of analogies, rationalizations, or opinions will change that. That is why Persia was used, thus not to be confused with the . --] (]) 18:59, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

::We talk about Iran and not Islamic Republi! This is a form of government. For example Republic of France is the same as Imperial France after the revolution or French Monarchy before 1789! In 1037 there is an entity which HIS PEOPLE call Iran. The same people call their country Iran today. We can not say the same for Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE, Canada, USA, Russia. But Iran exists in 1037! Maybe invaded, maybe divided but the entity is there. Westerns call it Persia in 1037 and Iran today. How can an English reader understand that we talk about the same country? Is there any date of independence of Iran?! ] (]) 23:52, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Take your comments to the article talk page. --] (]) 01:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

== ip address, possible sockpuppet threatening to edit war ==

First he uses ip address 216.185.114.219, then account TodHirilla, and then 142.255.6.214, the ip addresses are in different areas and ranges but they are pushing exactly the same points and doing the exact same agenda, apparently varying their language on purpose with the different ip ranges (ip 216.185.114.219 and TodHirilla deliberately misspell "Qing" as Qin, while ip 142.255.6.214 spells it normally). So apparently TodHirilla knows that if his ip address is checked by checkuser, 216.185.114.219 and TodHirilla will match up while 142.255.6.214 is either him using a proxy ip or a meatpupppet friend whom he is communicating with.

Uniquark9 has communicated in Mongolian with other users who operated sockpuppets before and , there is definitely some meat or sock puppetry with proxy ips going on here.

Both Uniquark9 and AncientSteppe are involved in this somehow.

I provided solid sources by qualified historians in Mongol and Asian History like Uradyn E. Bulag and Pamela Kyle Crossley, while the TodHirilla and ip is claiming that their claims are "fringe" and constantly deleting the content.

], ], ]

Not sure where and how to file this case, in edit warring, sockpuppet or meatpuppetry?] (]) 03:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

:Possibly both. Just because TodHirilla and the IPs have been investigated as , doesn't mean they aren't sockpuppets of another banned editor! --] (]) 05:07, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

::Can you introduce sanctions or page protection on ]? The ip is basically carrying out his edit war threat, and hasn't provided any real reasons to delete the sourced content.] (]) 06:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

:::], Please look at the discussion page. I provided many reasons to delete his fringe theory. ] and few users think his idea is a fringe theory. Rajmaan just doesn't listen and keep just pushing his fringe theory and no one supported him. I am calling more users and admins on this case.] (]) 06:59, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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== Azerbaijani nationalistic PoV pushing ==

As of two days ago, there's an Azerbaijani user (user "interfase") who's trying to push the well known "Azerbaijanj über alles" pov disruptive edits on the ] and the ] pages. As of yesterday, he's trying to give the territories of Qajar Persia an "nationalistic and separate character" separately from the Persian empire which they were part of (at least during that time), which is a typical thing for irredentist Azerbaijani nationalist. Note how he's added separate flags for the Khanates on both pages on the info boxes, and removed the flags of the Persian empire, despite the territories being a full part of ] Persia during the time, and especially during the war which the articles are about. The Qajar Persia flags were displayed on the infoboxes for a very long time, before his disruption on both articles. The ] maps and other Wikimedia maps show the terrories as being part of the Qajar empire, not some separate "affiliated" Azeri state, which bogus nationalistic pov he's trying to push here.

Note that he's been warned multiple times, had/has a topic ban notification related to articles around the same region, and was blocked several times for edit warring, amongst other things. He's been doing the same thing on the exact same articles on the Russian Misplaced Pages, so he's cross-wiki PoV pushing as well.

Please prevent this nationalistic disruption on these history related articles which he's been doing, and please restore the articles to how they used to be.

] (]) 19:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

:Hmmm. Why have you not started a discussion on the talk pages of the respective articles? Whether someone is Azerbaijani, Armenian, Iranian, Turkish, Kurdish, etc, is not important to me. Whether an editor is disruptive or unbalancing an article's POV is important. As of right now I have not seen anything that suggests Interfase has done either. --] (]) 19:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

::I thought that when someone wants to make a rather significant change it's him/her that needs to bring the reasons and sources for change to the respective talk pages ? In any case, adding a different flag to the Ganja Khanate means/implies that they were independant/not part of the empire, which is not much more than nationalistic pov pushing. Not only is this bogus per the maps on the ] page and all the cartographic files on behalf of the Qajar empire, but it also erranously "implies" that the Qajar empire didn't rule any territory to the North of the ], which is perhaps the most funny point, as Persia's most famous connection with te river is that it was forced to cede all it's belongings to the North of te river (comprising Armenia, Georgia, Dagestan, Azerbaijan]], per the ] which itself was a result of the 1804-1813 war he's pov pushing on?....

::So, the regions they were forced to ] were actualy not a part of their belongings per his bogus edit. Makes sense, eh?!....

::Basically he's trying to give an ethnic Azeri identity (that did not even exist during that time) to that what was a part of the Empire, as if it was a separate state only randomly "allied" with Persia during the war and therefore removing territories from the empire which they actually did rule all the way up to Southern ]. See for the map of the behalf of the Qajar empire to see it's territories.

::He's been doing the exact same thing on the English as well as the Russian Misplaced Pages without any consensus, any mention on a talk page, or any good reason given in his/her edit summaries on both Misplaced Pages's. A person doing that with a history of irredentist nationalistic editing and discretionary topics actions, isn't that something one should take some action against?

::In any case I just wanted to let you know and ask about it. If you don't think there's anything that need to be done, then I guess you're right. In any case, historically it's wrong, and it's purely nationalistic fed irredentional bogus as I know/understand where he's coming from looking at his edits, but ok.

::] (]) 20:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

:::Why not start a discussion on the articles' talk pages and notify Interfase of said discussion(s)? As for Russian Misplaced Pages, I can not help you since I do not read Russian. --] (]) 23:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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==Sources==
sir these are the sources. In which it is clearly stated that Mughals were defeated and retreated in the second battle of Anandpur

Johar, Surinder Singh (1998). Holy Sikh shrines. New Delhi: M D Publications. p. 46. ISBN 978-81-7533-073-3. OCLC 44703461.
3. Singh, Bhagat Lakshman (1995). Short Sketch of the Life and Work of Guru Govind Singh, The Tenth and Last Guru. Laurier Books Ltd. /AES. p. 96. ISBN 978-81-206-0576-3. OCLC 55854929.
4. Singh, Prithi Pal (2007). The History of Sikh Gurus. Lotus Books. p. 146. ISBN 978-81-8382-075-2.
5. Singh, Dalip (1992). Guru Gobind Singh and Khalsa Discipline. Amritsar: Singh Bros. p. 256. ISBN 978-81-7205-071-9. OCLC 28583123. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I would suggest you post these "sources" and cooresponding quotes on the articles' talk pages. --] (]) 15:50, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
::This user has been blocked for spanning user pages with lists of sources/long articles, so feel free to remove this. ] (]) 16:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

==Reverting Vandalisms are not Edit Wars==
If one is not retard enough, he can easily understand reverting Vandalisms of an upstart named "Xtremedood" are not Edit Wars. It will be better for you to understand the situation or to keep your nose out.] (]) 16:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
:Calling another editor's edits "vandalism" is considered a personal attack. Calling another editor a "retard" is a personal attack. Deleting referenced information is disruptive editing. --] (]) 16:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

== Is this reliable? ==

Hi. Please review and verify . Also, write your opinion about it. Regards. --] (]) 00:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

:The author looks to be an academic and appears as a source in other scholarly works. However, the book in question is not on google books and therefore can not be verified. Best case, ask the editor to provide a quote from the book. --] (]) 01:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::The main content of book is accessible on Google Books. He linked to a bibliography page (page 121). Also, I've searched the keywords, and there is nothing similar to his dubious claim on that book. To me, his edits are just personal and blog-like materials. He added false info on another article too. His very own personal stuffs. --] (]) 01:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

== Kara-Khanid Khanate ==

{{Talkback|User_talk:Qara_xan|ts=22:42, 02 April 2015 (UTC)}}] 22:42, 02 April 2015 (UTC)

== Yozer- ==

sounds like something for AE, it wouldn't be appropriate for an Arb to take action. ] (]) 19:43, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

:What an excellent idea. --] (]) 20:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

== care to help? ==

Can you watch some pages concerning India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran? I have a disruptive user Ghatus dumping huge amounts of unsourced or unreliably sourced material in multiple pages. His POV agenda pushing is causing me to constantly sift through lots of books cuz I wanted to give him the benefit of doubt and only by reading multiple books of same author do I get to know what kind of writer he is. I am asking this because I was recently dragged into an edit war by a puppet master using five socks and got a 24 hour chill pill slapped on me. So don't want anymore bans even if the other guy is not being good. leave a reply on my page and I will link you the list which needs watching] (]) 12:11, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

:::I have already informed Admin. Wait and watch, ''Mr.FreeatlastChitchat''. Your repeated vandalism with different IPs/User Names won't work, Mr."Xtremedood". What you have done in ] , ] , ] etc are pure vandalism. See Talk Page there.] (]) 12:17, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest using the talk pages of the respective articles. If Ghatus is using "unreliable sources", then you should "prove" it on the talk page. --] (]) 15:14, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

==Istanbul / Constantinople==
Sorry if I'm mixing you up with another editor, but have you in the past been opposing edits that rename Constantinople Istanbul where the period covered is when the city was called Constantinople? If you are that editor, is there anything you'd like to say about this one: ] ] (]) 23:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

:I will pass. --] (]) 00:17, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


==second battle of Anandpur==

Hello sir , I wanted to tell the admin that the ] year 1701 is not appropriate there is an little wit mistake . I have a source of the battle. Please visit the talk page of the article thank you sir
] (]) 05:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
:I would suggest you learn talk page etiquette. Stop removing other editor's talk page comments and stop edit warring (including the IP you are using). --] (]) 05:47, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

yes you are right sir . I am ashamed of my behaviour. But at that time I was unaware about this now I learned thank you sir
please now clear my doubt I would be highly thankful to you.
] (]) 05:54, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

sir I request you to take immediate check on the article ].
] (]) 06:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


==]==
Hi, further to the message you left on my talk page, please see the WWI talk page, I am trying to discuss the matter with other editors to reach a consensus, there is no edit warring. Thanks ] (]) 18:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

:Regardless of your discussion on the talk page, you are edit warring. --] (]) 18:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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== Seems like another return ==

Hello Kansas Bear,

Seems like that same use who's been multi-blocked and added those bogus texts on behalf of the ''Sikh Free Slaves'' has returned to Wiki under another sock. You've reverted several of his attemps where he/she tried to put it again in the articles related to Nader shah's invasion of the Mughal Empire, but I think we got another one of him here.

Here he/she states on the talk page ''i have a source which claim that while nadir shah was returning home his army was attacked by sikh forces and they freed all the slaves. Admin listen to my request reply me soon i will put forward my source thank you'' ]..

...which is '''exactly''' the same material/content as confirmed sockpuppet of Amarharleen () stated here in the article ]

Either simply a caring ducky, or simply a person with the same obsession for that material. Haha

- ] (]) 23:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

:An ] has been opened. --] (]) 15:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

::Yeah good, just saw the results. - ] (]) 00:04, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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== Ref fix ==

Hello Kansas Bear,

Could you perhaps do a reference fix here on this recently created article of mine? I want to nominate it for GA/DYK in the very near future, and I believe having neatly put references is a part of being able to correctly pass the reviews.

If you could help me with that, that would be nice.

- ] (]) 21:52, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

:I am not sure what type of fixes you want. If you want something similar to what is on the ] article , I would suggest you speak to user:. That person has more experience doing references of that style. --] (]) 03:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

::Yep, that's exactly the thing I want. Ah Alright, thanks, will contact him about it. - ] (]) 16:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

== Beatrice of Provence and Runciman ==

Hi, would you elaborate on your reasons for to ]? The edit summary says "removed Goldstone, not a historian." I didn't add Goldstone and have no opinion about her reliability as a source, but I am troubled by your removal of: {{cite book |last=Runciman |first=Steven |authorlink=Steven Runciman |date=1958 |title=The Sicilian Vespers: A History of the Mediterranean World in the Later Thirteenth Century |location=London |publisher=Cambridge University Press |oclc=315065012}} Runciman was a historian and if Misplaced Pages is to be believed, a distinguished one and expert on the Middle Ages. This volume is from a respected publisher. Citing it where no other source is cited seems a definite improvement to the article. What is your objection to the material (other than Goldstone) that you removed? ] (]) 00:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

:No objection to Runciman. I have reverted my screw up and kept Goldstone's opinions out of the article. I do not know what happened. Weird! --] (]) 00:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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== State forming in South-Central Asia during the IVC and Achaemenid era's - nope ==


:Thanks, Ealdgyth. Stay safe. --] (]) 15:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
There's this user that keeps adding this historical bogus to the infobox here,, and when I revert it, he leaves me a message that I dont adhere to a neutral point of view .


== December 2024 ==
Whilst I would have just told this rather on his talk page, he has ''blocked'' his talk page or something which makes it impossible to drop a comment unless I revert his own changes there.
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There was no such thing as even close to the entity of a state in that region of the world until the rise of ] in 1709. Mentioning the Indus Valley Civilisation and the Achaemenid Empire (simply because that region was part of one of the easternmost regions of the empire) to be responsible for state forming there, is simply nonsensical as I believe you would agree with me.


Should I just revert his changes on his talk page so I can drop this there too or?


:Thanks Bbb23, after 18 yrs my very first block is from you!
Bests
- ] (]) 12:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC) :FYI: I used to go by Kansas Bear. Have a great weekend and stay safe! --] (]) 00:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::I remember you. I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why? Even without knowing who you were, I didn't like blocking you, but you violated 3RR and your reverts were not exempt per ]. You really shouldn't bring a report to AN3 complaining that another user violated 3RR when you yourself have also done so. Anyway, the block will expire before Xmas (if you celebrate that). Take care.--] (]) 00:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:*"''I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why?''"
:::I was tired of how Chicago Bears were playing for the umpteenth year.
:*"''I didn't like blocking you''"
:::Its all good. I'm not taking it personal. You're a one hell of an Admin, and I honestly appreciate that. Besides, now I can do more research. :)
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:::Would you believe it was for the greater good? The editor in question is writing ] and doesn't respond to talk page conversations(per Ealdgyth, BusterD, and myself).
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:::Yeah, I probably lost count.
:*"''Anyway, the block will expire before Xmas (if you celebrate that). Take care.''"
:::Well, this year I'm avoiding the family dramah and staying in Lawrence. Take care Bbb23! --] (]) 00:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Why did you remove my answer? == == SELJUK WARS LİST ARTICLE ==


There are many missing battles such as Battle of Nishapur (1038), Battle of Vaspurakan (1046), Siege of Ani (1064), First Georgian Campaign (1064), Mangyshlak Campaign (1065), Battle of Caesarea (1067) and Second Georgian Campaign (1068). Can you please add them? Because you created the page and I don't know how to program. There is a possibility that I may break the page. That's why I'm asking you for this. ] (]) 20:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Why did you remove one of my answer, posted ages ago to an iranian nationalist? I think you also an iranian because entire Turkish/Turkic related page have changed at least one time by you. And delete every single posts which against your supreme nationalistic ideas. Anyway, enjoy your toy, Wiki-pan iranist-pedia. ] (]) 22:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


:Do you have ] in English for battle of Nishapur 1038, Vaspurakan 1046, Ani 1064, Caesarea 1067? I won't add campaigns since those aren't singular battles. --] 20:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:1. I'm not Iranian.
::Source: English Misplaced Pages. Some of the wars I write about here have their own pages. The others are on the Misplaced Pages Alp Arslan page. I suppose you would also consider the articles on Misplaced Pages to be reliable, right? ] (]) 21:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:2. I'm not a nationalist in any sense of the word.
::Go and take a look. Only the Mangışlak Campaign is mentioned in the Turkish Misplaced Pages. Apart from that, all the other wars are available in the English Misplaced Pages. Also, some wars do not have separate pages, so check the wars on the Alp Arslan page. ] (]) 21:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:3. Read ].
:4. Misplaced Pages is written using ] not the childish rantings of someone like you.
:5. Only morons/racists think "''Turko-Persian''" is an ethnicity! --] (]) 22:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
::You sound pretty nationalist since you removing anything Turkish/Turkic but all the time add iranian things to anywhere possible. Denying it doesn't change what you are doing on this site.


:::We can not use Misplaced Pages articles to reference Misplaced Pages, per ]. --] 21:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Seljuks became Turko-persian
::::In that case I will find the source and send it to you within 1 week at the latest. ] (]) 04:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Seljuks of Rum became also Turko-persian
:::::What is the minimum number of resources I need to find? ] (]) 04:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Göktürks are mix of Turks and iranians and ruling class is eastern iranian Yes, people who call them Turk as first time are not Turks according to wikipedia (oh God!)
::::::At least one university published source indicating the battle, the belligerents, and the result of the battle should be fine. Also, the ] references/sources have no page numbers thus fail ]. --] 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Xiong-nu is also supreme aryan-iranian empire
:::::::This is also a source for the Georgian campaigns. You can also look at it if you want. There is also reliable information about the biography of Sultan Alp Arslan.
::Bulgar Empire is also iranic and became slavic
:::::::https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/alparslan
::Avars are not Turkic.
:::::::https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/155457
::Cumans are not Turkic
:::::::https://avys.omu.edu.tr/storage/app/public/ibrahim.tellioglu/63827/6.pdf
:::::::https://www.academia.edu/50976707/Sel%C3%A7uklular%C4%B1n_Kafkasya_Politikas%C4%B1_ve_Kafkasyan%C4%B1n_T%C3%BCrkle%C5%9Fmesi_1016_1121 ] (]) 16:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=3&q=siege+of+ani+1064+primary+source&qst=bl#d=gs_qabs&t=1736173866316&u=%23p%3D9JHx8pEKizUJ
:https://www.jstor.org/stable/48578237 ] (]) 14:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::battle of Caesarea
::Harris Jonathan (2014) Byzantium and Crusaders
::Lock, Peter (2006). The Routledge Companion to the Crusades (İngilizce). Routledge.
::Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Haldon, John F.; Cormack, Robin, (Ed.) (2008). The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies ] (]) 16:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::One of the links is for the Battle of Manzikert and the other is for the siege of Ani. ] (]) 16:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::This isn't looking good. The ] doesn't appear to have any sources that actually call it a battle. I found instances of attack, pillage, or sack, but nothing calling this a battle. If this is the case the article needs to be re-written and the title changed. The Battle of Manzikert is already listed in the ]. --] 20:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] has only one source(an unspecialized source) that mentions a victory and only in passing. Giving no details to the belligerents involved. --] 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The Georgian campaign and its sudden siege? ] (]) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The Byzantine forces are defeated, Kayseri is conquered and the city is looted. It is also stated in the books as such. ] (]) 19:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::None of the 4 sources used in the article ], state it was a battle. In a subsequent search I found zero sources calling it a battle.
:::::None idea what you're referring to when you say "Georgian campaign sudden siege".--] 20:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? ] (]) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are right, it should be a siege of Caesarea, not a Battle of Caesarea. However, Misplaced Pages says it as a war, it needs to be corrected. ] (]) 15:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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No. None of the sources call the so-called "battle of Caesarea" a siege either. We can only write what the source(s) state, not what we interpret, think or want. So far it looks like it will be renamed as a raid. --] 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


:Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? ] (]) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::All of their Kings have Turkic names and Turkic titles but they probably adopted that language, right? lol but when there is a single iranian word, it automatically makes an entire nation iranian. yet, an entire nation speak Turkic, you guys answer it like; "they may adopt Turkic language". and you claim you're not nationalist? You simply hate Turks. tbh I don't care if you hate Turks or not but you can try to be unbiased.


:: I'll be checking it during lunch. --] 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Now, language of Avars pointed as Slavic and "interestingly" you didn't edit it back. But if a Turk add Turkic language to Avars you immediately remove it. Avars were Turkic but all historians agree on that but dear iranians don't accept it and nobody can edit Avar page because dozens of iranians and their friends invade pages and correct "mistakes" and look for former edits of those people posted ages ago and delete them from pages, because no one must correct an iranian. They are aryan-supreme race! ] (]) 22:59, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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I remember you. I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why? Even without knowing who you were, I didn't like blocking you, but you violated 3RR and your reverts were not exempt per WP:3RRNO. You really shouldn't bring a report to AN3 complaining that another user violated 3RR when you yourself have also done so. Anyway, the block will expire before Xmas (if you celebrate that). Take care.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
  • "I didn't know you'd changed your username; any reason why?"
I was tired of how Chicago Bears were playing for the umpteenth year.
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Its all good. I'm not taking it personal. You're a one hell of an Admin, and I honestly appreciate that. Besides, now I can do more research. :)
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SELJUK WARS LİST ARTICLE

There are many missing battles such as Battle of Nishapur (1038), Battle of Vaspurakan (1046), Siege of Ani (1064), First Georgian Campaign (1064), Mangyshlak Campaign (1065), Battle of Caesarea (1067) and Second Georgian Campaign (1068). Can you please add them? Because you created the page and I don't know how to program. There is a possibility that I may break the page. That's why I'm asking you for this. Kartal1071 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have reliable secondary sources in English for battle of Nishapur 1038, Vaspurakan 1046, Ani 1064, Caesarea 1067? I won't add campaigns since those aren't singular battles. --Kansas Bear 20:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Source: English Misplaced Pages. Some of the wars I write about here have their own pages. The others are on the Misplaced Pages Alp Arslan page. I suppose you would also consider the articles on Misplaced Pages to be reliable, right? Kartal1071 (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Go and take a look. Only the Mangışlak Campaign is mentioned in the Turkish Misplaced Pages. Apart from that, all the other wars are available in the English Misplaced Pages. Also, some wars do not have separate pages, so check the wars on the Alp Arslan page. Kartal1071 (talk) 21:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
We can not use Misplaced Pages articles to reference Misplaced Pages, per WP:CIRC. --Kansas Bear 21:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
In that case I will find the source and send it to you within 1 week at the latest. Kartal1071 (talk) 04:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
What is the minimum number of resources I need to find? Kartal1071 (talk) 04:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
At least one university published source indicating the battle, the belligerents, and the result of the battle should be fine. Also, the Battle of Nishapur (1038) references/sources have no page numbers thus fail verification. --Kansas Bear 19:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
This is also a source for the Georgian campaigns. You can also look at it if you want. There is also reliable information about the biography of Sultan Alp Arslan.
https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/alparslan
https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/155457
https://avys.omu.edu.tr/storage/app/public/ibrahim.tellioglu/63827/6.pdf
https://www.academia.edu/50976707/Sel%C3%A7uklular%C4%B1n_Kafkasya_Politikas%C4%B1_ve_Kafkasyan%C4%B1n_T%C3%BCrkle%C5%9Fmesi_1016_1121 Kartal1071 (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&qsp=3&q=siege+of+ani+1064+primary+source&qst=bl#d=gs_qabs&t=1736173866316&u=%23p%3D9JHx8pEKizUJ
https://www.jstor.org/stable/48578237 Kartal1071 (talk) 14:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
battle of Caesarea
Harris Jonathan (2014) Byzantium and Crusaders
Lock, Peter (2006). The Routledge Companion to the Crusades (İngilizce). Routledge.
Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Haldon, John F.; Cormack, Robin, (Ed.) (2008). The Oxford Handbook of Byzantine Studies Kartal1071 (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
One of the links is for the Battle of Manzikert and the other is for the siege of Ani. Kartal1071 (talk) 16:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
This isn't looking good. The Battle of Caesarea doesn't appear to have any sources that actually call it a battle. I found instances of attack, pillage, or sack, but nothing calling this a battle. If this is the case the article needs to be re-written and the title changed. The Battle of Manzikert is already listed in the List of battles involving the Seljuk Empire. --Kansas Bear 20:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Battle of Nishapur (1038) has only one source(an unspecialized source) that mentions a victory and only in passing. Giving no details to the belligerents involved. --Kansas Bear 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
The Georgian campaign and its sudden siege? Kartal1071 (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
The Byzantine forces are defeated, Kayseri is conquered and the city is looted. It is also stated in the books as such. Kartal1071 (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
None of the 4 sources used in the article Battle of Caesarea, state it was a battle. In a subsequent search I found zero sources calling it a battle.
None idea what you're referring to when you say "Georgian campaign sudden siege".--Kansas Bear 20:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? Kartal1071 (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
You are right, it should be a siege of Caesarea, not a Battle of Caesarea. However, Misplaced Pages says it as a war, it needs to be corrected. Kartal1071 (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

No. None of the sources call the so-called "battle of Caesarea" a siege either. We can only write what the source(s) state, not what we interpret, think or want. So far it looks like it will be renamed as a raid. --Kansas Bear 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Will you add the Georgian campaign and the siege of Ani to the list? Kartal1071 (talk) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I'll be checking it during lunch. --Kansas Bear 16:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)