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== Europe? ==

] is listed as a country in ], but according to ], Armenia is entirely within ]. --] (]) 17:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
:{{fixed}} - Thanks for pointing this out, {{U|Vitzque}}. Actually, there's nothing in the lead or body of the article claiming Armenia to be Europe, but there were two categories which were incorrect (Eastern Europe + Countries in Europe). I've removed the categories.

*If Armenia is truly not at all in Europe and is not bi-continental, then there is a whole lot more to change in WP than just this, in articles, in categories, in templates. Is there some fact conflict here? Are there reliable sources stating Armenia is entirely in Asia that can be used as justification for all changes--one way or another. ] (]) 03:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
::There's no argument against its being European by proxy (that's all in the body of the article), but I've yet to find any sources (even going back in history) that places it as being in Europe or considered European. Do you have sources to suggest that it is considered to be Europe? --] (]) 06:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
:::I only am pointing out that various items in WP show that Armenia is a bi-continental country, with part of it in the Continent of Europe (as defined somehow or another) as well as in the continent of Asia. I don't do research. Someone can try to figure this out so that WP can be made uniform in its treatment of Armenia in ALL its articles, categories, templates and so on. ] (]) 02:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
* The following is found in content of this article: "Armenia is also a member of the Council of Europe, maintaining friendly relations with the European Union, especially with its member states such as France and Greece. A 2005 survey reported that 64% of Armenia's population would be in favor of joining the EU. Several Armenian officials have also expressed the desire for their country to eventually become an EU member state, some predicting that it will make an official bid for membership in a few years. In 2004 its forces joined KFOR, a NATO-led international force in Kosovo. It is also an observer member of the Eurasian Economic Community and the Non-Aligned Movement." This makes it appear that Armenia is part of an expanding Europe, regardless of continental definitions. ] (]) 21:26, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
::I'm aware of this, {{U|Hmains}}. I know categories can be extremely problematic, but Armenia's affiliations with European bodies are, at this point in time, just that: affiliations. I also recognise that the concept of 'Europe' has been changing with the expansion of the EU, but whether Armenia will become an EU country (and be recognised as being 'Europe' as such) is ] until definitive, RS sources can be introduced. Putting the cart before the horses is OR. This would need to be discussed with other neutral editors. It would be appreciated if you would self revert re-adding the Countries in Europe category. Cheers! --] (]) 06:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:::I have no interest in this one way or another--I was only pointing out what I found. And I only reverted the changes that I myself made, not the work of anyone else. Feel free to change things as you wish. ] (]) 00:21, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
::::In all honesty, I don't have a position on the issue. I really only have this article on my watchlist as the result of POV edit warring on all ex-Soviet nation-states (which is the area I do most of my editing in). I simply responded to the observation. Cheers! --] (]) 02:14, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::What continent a country is in is a function of geography, not cultural or political affilitations. Armenia is not in Europe, just as New Zealand, the Falkland Islands, and Bermuda are not. For that matter, I find it amusing (perhaps Asians would not) that those who wish to argue that Armenia is in Europe seem to take offense at the idea that Armenia were in Asia. ] (]) 17:25, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::This issue has been discussed at length in the past (see the archive about that). Consensus was that Armenia lies geographically in Asia, but it can be defined culturally and politically as belonging to Europe. ] (]) 17:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Your consensus is not correct as the South Caucasus is realistically in Eastern Europe according to many sources. Please do not provide false information. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It Is not located just in Western Asia, this is not accurate and must be changed immediately, it is a breach of impartiality and there is only 2 references provided.

== Population ==

Whats the official population of Armenia? I keep hearing Armenians claiming its under 1.5 million and the government is lying, yet they provide no source. WTF is going on with the population, demographic trends, and emigration in Armenia? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Simple Misplaced Pages source: . --] (]) 22:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2014 ==

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Armenia has also been very successful in chess, winning the ] in 2011 and the ] on three occasions.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6679 |title=Chess News – BBC lecture: Armenia, the cleverest nation on earth |publisher=ChessBase.com |accessdate=2010-12-30}}</ref><!-- End request -->
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2014 ==

Typo needs to be corrected under CUISINE

Armenian cuisine is as ancient as the history of Armenia, a combination of different tastes and aromas. The food often has quite a distinct smell. Closely related to eastern and Mediterranean cuisine, various spices, vegetables, fish, and fruits combine to present unique dishes. The main characteristics of Armenian cuisine are a reliance on the quality of the ingredients rather than heavily spicing food, the use of herbs, the use of wheat in a variety of forms, of legumes, nuts, and fruit '''(as a main ingredient as well aa to sour food)''', and the stuffing of a wide variety of leaves.

Recommend change aa to as.

:{{done}} ] (]) 14:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 October 2024 ==
lol


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== location graphic ==
Can you please provide reference and evidence on the statement of the Ottoman Empire 'exterminating' 1.5 million Armenians please. ] (]) 12:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> Closing, not an edit request. ] (]) 12:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)


== Source Needed ==
Looks to me that the square of the location graphic is wrong. It's pointing to an area south of Armenia.


The statement "The predominant religion in Armenia is Christianity. Its roots go back to the 1st century AD, when it was founded by two of Jesus' twelve apostles – Thaddaeus and Bartholomew – who preached Christianity in Armenia between AD 40–60." requires sourcing. ] (]) 02:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 17:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


== Latn/wikt error in Etymology section ==


"The original native Armenian name for the country was Հայք ''(]] Error: {{Lang}}: Non-latn text/Latn script subtag mismatch (help))''; however, it is currently rarely used."
“After the death of Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin took the reins of power and began an era of renewed fear and terror for Armenians.
] (]) 06:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Armenia was not the scene of any battles in World War II. An estimated 500,000 Armenians (nearly a third of the population) served in the military during the war, and 175,000 died.
Fears decreased when Stalin died in 1953 ...“


== Edit Request ==


A hyperlink to ] should be added to the mention of Aram
Such inappropriate subjective emotional statements may not be a part of encyclopedic article.
They FEARED. 'til 53, as Stalin dies, fears subsided.
Are you sure they feared? No explanation in the article, why Armenians should have feared Stalin.
Do english speakers take it just like that? All Armenians apparently just feared because they just feared. Well... From telling of old men and women from former Soviet Union actually none feared Stalin, just Nazi-Germany. And under rule of Stalin soviet people drove this horror off.
Just above “Armenians enjoyed a period of relative stability under Soviet rule. They received medicine, food, and other provisions from Moscow, ..“ apparently (well I doubt that all this was made in Moscow, it would be correct to say - they received it from Soviet Union)
So, why they have to fear Stalin?


-- ] (]) 22:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Is it again a sample of manipulative implanting into ones subconsciousness of the aversion to Stalin, Soviet Union, communism and anticapitalism?
I propose to revise this part of article and throw out all subjective implants.--] (]) 14:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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Can you please provide reference and evidence on the statement of the Ottoman Empire 'exterminating' 1.5 million Armenians please. 120.159.242.56 (talk) 12:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Closing, not an edit request. CMD (talk) 12:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Source Needed

The statement "The predominant religion in Armenia is Christianity. Its roots go back to the 1st century AD, when it was founded by two of Jesus' twelve apostles – Thaddaeus and Bartholomew – who preached Christianity in Armenia between AD 40–60." requires sourcing. Artimaeus Creed (talk) 02:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Latn/wikt error in Etymology section

"The original native Armenian name for the country was Հայք (]] Error: Error: {{Lang}}: no text (help): Non-latn text/Latn script subtag mismatch (help)); however, it is currently rarely used." Samsattet001 (talk) 06:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

A hyperlink to this article should be added to the mention of Aram

-- FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 22:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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