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== "Legal Issues" coverage query ==

shows a ''substantial addition'' to the already over-long "Legal issues" section, and is primarily aimed at citing folks who say he is now a "bad boy". Is this addition which seems to be remarkably ''un''-encyclopedic, properly here? ] (]) 13:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
*It's two sentences, are you protesting against the five ''substantial'' references? One and a half of the two sentences (except the {{blue|2014's most annoying celebrity}} half-sentence which I added recently) have been in the article for months in the '''Public image''' section, as they should be. You made the bold edit to remove them . In spite of "bad boy" being his public image as per the ], you claim that ''legal issues belong in one section or the other''. I accommodated by moving them to the '''Legal issues''' section and you still protest. ]? ]] ''']''' 14:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
**I object to silly ''citation overkill'' where the apparent result is inclusion of quotes which would not pass the requirements of ] as being statements of objective fact in reliable sources. "Bad boy" is, as far as I can tell an "opinion" and not an "objective fact" but apparently your mileage varies about the definition of "fact" if you find "bad boy" to be "fact." And longevity of a sentence in a BLP is not presumptive proof that it is not a violation of ] -- many BLPs are veritable Petri dishes of rumour and allegation. ] (]) 21:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*Bieber is a bad boy (opinion)
:::*Bieber has the public image of being a "bad boy" (fact, supported by RS)
::*The article is saying the latter. The sentences do not violate BLP - see ]. ]] ''']''' 23:48, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

:I actually think with the new statements adding better sources like <small>{{cite book|author1=Mickey Huff (Media Freedom Foundation)|author2=Andy Lee Roth (Project Censored)|title=Censored 2015: Inspiring We the People; The Top Censored Stories and Media Analysis of 2013- 2014|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=EcpbAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT87|year=2014|publisher=Seven Stories Press |isbn=978-1-60980-566-1|page=87}} </small> we could cut out alot of the old stuff from the section....since we have sources that cover the past in overview anyways. We have no need for sources that only cover one event now. Time to trim the fluff like the source above...time to consolidate. -- ] (]) 02:58, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
:*I don't own the book, and I can't read it online, it's (yet) unverifiable that it even has information on Bieber (unless you can show me how). Here are some free online sources detailing Bieber's ''entire'' 2014, instead of an immediate reaction article to an event. , (already in article), , . ]] ''']''' 03:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

::::::Lets forget the news link if we can and add real books on the overall topic.,,,since we have experts now tlaking about the matter. Can you see the book above (I can quote it if need be - that could be added to the source for all to see). There is also {{cite book|author=Karen Sternheimer ( University of Southern California)|title=Celebrity Culture and the American Dream: Stardom and Social Mobility|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=RpSLBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT333|year=2014|publisher=Taylor & Francis|isbn=978-1-317-68967-6|page=333}}...can people see that? -- ] (]) 03:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::*I can see the book cover, yes, but I can't read a single word of ''Censored 2015''. I can read parts of ''Celebrity Culture'', it mentions Bieber's {{green|speeding or racially insensitive remarks}} / {{green|numerous reports of speeding, drug use, promiscuity, and even videos where he tells racist jokes and sings about joining the Ku Klux Klan}}. I tried to archive the version I saw using archive.org , perhaps you could do that with ''Censored 2015'', Moxy? ]] ''']''' 03:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Can you see - attribution Mickey Huff, Andy Lee Roth, Censored 2015 p87. I also did the same for Karen Sternheime p. 333. We could trim the section of most fluff in the article and add quotes of these pages to our |quote parameter in the refs.-- ] (]) 03:54, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::::*Hahaha, did you search for "Bad Boy Bieber" in Google Books to find these books? Yes, I can see both pictures, thank you, although I don't need to see the second. But surely that's not the end of the coverage of Bieber in ''Censored 2015''? There's got to be more, methinks. If you would be so kind... (still recommend you try archive.org) ]] ''']''' 04:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::LOL I did search Bad Boy for the first book. But saw someone else use the Sternheime for another page a few days ago and read a bit of it and saw this. The archive.org page you linked for me I dont see..so I did the above to make sure all could see. Not much more is said about the "Bad boy"in Censored 2015 ...some passing mention of drunken antics getting news coverage but no specifics. -- ] (]) 04:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Moxy}} - my issues with the books -> firstly they are not Bieber biographies, but books on the media as a subject. secondly, on the coverage of the issues, ''Celebrity Culture'' - it was published on 20 November 2014. There might have been a few months of editing process, because the most recent Bieber incident it mentioned was the June 2014 racist comments. We have no idea if the July-November incidents were omitted if they were unimportant or if the authors were already done with the writing process by July. According to Barnes & Noble, ''Censored 2014'' was published on 21 October 2014, the latest incident it mentioned in the timeline was the White House deportation petition which was held from January to April 2014 (but 100,000 in January) ]] ''']''' 05:22, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::News links make articles look bad and unprofessional. Best to use them only when need be....no need to be so up-to-date we are not a news paper ]. Better to get it right rather then link speculation. -- ] (]) 12:12, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Not to be confused with Justin Beaver? ==

Is there any evidence that anyone has ever confused the guy featured in this article: http://www.uww.edu/news/videos/justin-beaver and Bieber?

I am a big fan of humour on Misplaced Pages talk pages but, if editors really want to extend this I think that they should do this legitimately in a section such as ]. As far as I can see the content has no place at the beginning of the article. ]] 16:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

== Change to infobox ==

I have reverted the change to the infobox as gives completely ] to his crimes. I do not think any mention of them should go in the infobox as Bieber's entire notability comes from his occupation as a musician. --] <sup>]</sup> 23:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
:] does not deal with verifiably sourced facts but minority viewpoints. He is very notorious as a musician who repeatedly assaults people and commits other crimes. Your reversion also deleted a recent guilty plea in a 2014 assault case and some validly sourced categories. ] (]) 01:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
:::Not strictly, but WP:NPOV does require balance. It is unbalanced when his musical career gets about a third of the column space in the infobox that his criminal convictions do—it gives disproportional coverage (or undue weight, in all lowercase letters and common meaning) to the convictions. —''']''' (]) 01:52, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

== Latest edits to the Personal life section ==

The {{User|JLanex}} account initially made , , , and edit to the article. Instead of reverting all of those edits, I reverted a few, as seen .


== I should to write a writing ==
*I changed "Bieber identifies himself as a faithful adherent of Christianity and has said he communicates with God, via prayer, and that 'he's the reason I'm here'." to "Bieber identifies himself as a faithful adherent of Christianity, said he communicates with God via prayer, and that 'he's the reason I'm here'." because I saw no need to include "and has."


can you help me ] (]) 02:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
*I changed "Regarding sexuality, he told the music magazine, ''Rolling Stone,'' in 2010 that, 'I don't think you should have sex with anyone unless you love them.'" to "Regarding sexual abstinence, he told music magazine ''Rolling Stone,'' 'I don't think you should have sex with anyone unless you love them.'" because there was no need to alter "sexual abstinence" to "sexuality." And the "''Rolling Stone''" part flows better without the commas and use of "in 2010." It should simply be "music magazine ''Rolling Stone''," not "the music magazine, ''Rolling Stone''." Consider if we were stating that Bieber guest starred on ''].'' It should be "Bieber guest starred on the television show ''The 100''.", not "Bieber guest starred on the television show, ''The 100''." The comma should not be there.


== Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2024 ==
*I changed "He has had a temporary romantic relationship with the Latino-American actress and singer, ], in December 2010." to "In December 2010, he was in a relationship with ]." because what is the need to state here in Bieber's article that Gomez is a Latino-American actress and singer? Or to describe the relationship as "a temporary romantic relationship"? The text also flows better with "In December 2010" coming first.


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*I changed "His father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized in a edition in the ''Rolling Stone'' that he 'split with Justin's mom when he was a toddler, and wasn't always around afterward. But he has, as of late, accepted a place of honor in his superstar son's ].'" to "Bieber's father, Jeremy Bieber, is a former carpenter and ] mixed martial artist. In March 2014, ''Rolling Stone'' characterized Jeremy as having 'split with Justin's mom when Justin was a toddler, and wasn't always around afterward. But he has, as of late, accepted a place of honor in his superstar son's ].'" because, well, my version flows better; it has no typos, is more grammatically correct with regard to "that he" part, and it restored the ''Rolling Stone'' source that JLanex removed; I also meant to change "Jeremy Bieber" to just "Jeremy." I don't care if the "former carpenter and ] mixed martial artist" part stays or goes.
On Justin’s page the date of birth of his son is wrong. They welcomed a son on August 22 not August 23. This is based on his son’s birth certificate that TMZ obtained. Please change 23 to 22.


Here’s the link: https://dam.tmz.com/document/d1/o/2024/09/06/d1ab385e03c24ac2b74911b2f1b2ee87.pdf ] (]) 19:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
JLanex brought this , and I brought it here. Also, regarding JLanex's first edit to the article, many editors would disagree that new paragraphs should not begin with "Bieber" in that case. See, for example, showing ] reverting ] {{User|February Jones}}. ] (]) 00:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> We don't use primary sources for such claims about a ]. ] (]) 13:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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On Justin’s page the date of birth of his son is wrong. They welcomed a son on August 22 not August 23. This is based on his son’s birth certificate that TMZ obtained. Please change 23 to 22. 

Here’s the link: https://dam.tmz.com/document/d1/o/2024/09/06/d1ab385e03c24ac2b74911b2f1b2ee87.pdf 2601:2C7:4381:8F40:B074:B315:F35E:23AB (talk) 19:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
 Not done: We don't use primary sources for such claims about a WP:BLP. M.Bitton (talk) 13:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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