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== Mr Bill Truth, you are invited to the Teahouse! ==


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== Essiac ==

Please read ] - your edits to the ] article have been reverted by multiple experienced contributors, and repeatedly adding the same unacceptable content isn't going to achieve anything except (per ]) possibly getting you blocked from editing. Rather than edit-warring, I suggest you read the relevant policy, and then if you have any questions raise the matter at ]. ] (]) 05:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

:Dude, I thoroughly resent the accusations of "edit-warring" and "repeatedly adding the same unacceptable content". Both of them are unfair accusations and not right. I have however posted some questions in the ] section. I would like to have them discussed. Thanks ] (]) 05:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

== November 2014 ==
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:That's a bit rich isn't it Yobol ! You accuse me of edit warring when AndyTheGrump was doing edit warring himself. Well, it seems he wants to have the article the way he wants it to appear. Please correct me if I'm wrong. ] (]) 01:24, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

== Essiac ==

The next time you violate Misplaced Pages policy by posting clueless anecdotal bollocks promoting quackery, as you did just now in the Essaiac article, I will report the matter and request that you be topic-banned from any article covering medicine (alternative or otherwise) and any other topic within scope of ]. You have been repeatedly informed of Misplaced Pages policy on such matters, and warned of the consequences of ignoring such policies. I see no reason whatsoever why you should be given any more leeway - Misplaced Pages has blocked snake-oil merchants before, and I have no doubt whatsoever that it will do so again. Unless you wish to be the next example, I suggest you find another topic to contribute to, or peddle your credulous flim-flammery elsewhere. ] (]) 08:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
:The one who is violating Misplaced Pages policy is you sir. I know exactly what your angle is friend. I'm not stupid. I don't give in easily to threats and attempts at bullying and intimidation. OK! I'm not promoting anything except for a balance and what I see is an improvement on the article. What is wrong with that? At present the article looks like a one sided pathetic joke. I'm here to add balance and add credible references that I have sourced from credible sites. If it was a one-sided article with 100% promotion of Essiac I would be adding that Essiac not be solely relied on as conventional treatments have merit. I'd rectify the wrong in that. I'm about balance and truth. Yes I do know a bit about alternative cures and I know a bit about conventional as well. I wouldn't throw that accusation of - - "clueless anecdotal bollocks promoting quackery" or the distortion of facts by saying - - "You have been repeatedly informed of Misplaced Pages policy on such matters, and warned of the consequences of ignoring such policies". That's dishonesty sir! Saying - - "Misplaced Pages has blocked snake-oil merchants before" and - - "I suggest you find another topic to contribute to, or peddle your credulous flim-flammery elsewhere." Makes you look like .... hmmm, we'll leave that up to the powers of truth, integrity and knowledge to work that one out. They know! ] (]) 08:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
::If you post any more of your credulous shit, I will report the matter - and you ''will'' be prevented from doing so again. I've seen how your sort (quackery-shills) are dealt with plenty of times before... ] (]) 08:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
::: You've seen people banned for doing edits that are offensive to Monsanto or Big-Pharma have you ? How much of a role have you played in that ? And you have the cheek to throw around the accusation of "shill", really !!! That's a bit rich and certainly this seems to be a clear-cut case of the accuser having the necktie of guilt around his own neck. If you truly think that my edits are those of a - - "quackery-shill" nature as you put it then come and discuss this with me at the Essiac Talk page. I am about improvement, truth and balance. Your attempts to slander and cyber-bully me me won't get a good result. ] (]) 09:28, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, the usual fuckwit big-pharm conspiracy theory - never far behind when the quacks get caught quacking. Pathetic. And no, there is nothing to discuss - you have been told that the article will comply with WP:MEDRS, and comply it will. Which means that you can stick your snake-oil 'truth and balance' where the sun don't shine (though come to think of it, ] has been touted as a bogus 'cancer cure' too...) ] (]) 09:35, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::When the ad hominem inludes threats and profanity it only makes that person seem more ill equipped to take on the subject at any angle. Other considerations, possibilities arise. I'm asking you to prove me wrong and engage in a respectful, mature , honest discussion about my edits on the . I have extended an invitation to you personally. Thanks ] (]) 10:12, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

== Health content ==

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: I have used highly credible sources ] (]) 13:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

== AN/I ==
I am opening a section about your editing at ]. ] <sup>]|]|]</sup> 13:46, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:You need to open a section about your own edit warring as well as your online bully tactics and use of profanity. ] (]) 04:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

== About edit warring ==

Hi, When there's a dispute over content that you wish to add to an article and it is reverted, it is necessary to gain a consensus *before* it is added again - you do not add it and then demand a consensus to remove it. I therefore suggest you stop edit warring to try to get your contentious medical claims into articles, or you are likely to end up banned from medical topics or blocked from editing altogether. ] (]) 17:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
::Aah I see Alexbrn has brought in a reinforcement. Saying the same thing that was said previously. I take note of your strategic placement of the word "contentious". I'm not the one who is edit warring here. Also I don't give in to cyber bullying tactics either. I'm here to edit credible and correctly sourced information to improve and expand the articles. Some may not like what I choose to add and I'll certainly take that into account. I will say that Misplaced Pages's reputation as a balanced and uncontrolled online encyclopedia is in doubt. That's the opinion shared by more than a few. I and many others know that there are certain editors on Misplaced Pages that are acting as gatekeepers for certain info. We'll leave it at that. ] (]) 05:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Actually, I should have said "contested" rather than "contentious". There mere act by another editor of reverting your addition makes it contested, and you then need to get a consensus to re-add the material. Have a look at ] and ] for more guidance on how to proceed. (The latter is an essay rather than policy, but I think it's helpful). ] (]) 09:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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== Archives ==

Hi. Noticeboard archives should not be edited (eg ]) - for one thing, they're not going to be regularly checked by admins and nobody is likely to see your comments and answer. If you wish to continue a discussion that has been archived, you should start a new section at ] - you can copy the old section from the archive if you want, with a comment to say that's what you've done. I've reverted your change to the archive, but you now know what to do if you wish to continue that discussion. ] (]) 09:54, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
:Squinge. Sorry to but you're wrong. The purple ones are closed. Not that particular one. BTW: That was a deliberately misleading attack on me too by AndyTheGrump. Now when he threatened to report me as per - - "If you post any more of your credulous shit, I will report the matter - and you will be prevented from doing so again. I've seen how your sort (quackery-shills) are dealt with plenty of times before... AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC" ) - - Well, he went ahead and reported me. This I believe because he attempts to enforce something and does so in a very negative way. How about if went ahead and reported him for what I believe is an abuse of accounts? I have cited his bullying attempts, profanity and negative behavior. I replied to him in a mature fashion. He uses the word "shill" as a form of accusation directed at me. Well, I believe that word is fired in the wrong direction. I truly do. From what I can see and some looking back through the archives, I feel I am on track with what I suspected. Would you like to know? ] (]) 09:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
::I was only trying to help. Sections at ] get auto-archived (ie moved to the archive pages) if they get no responses within a certain time, and once that happens they're off the radar and the admins (and others) watching ] are very unlikely to see them - so if you edit the archive pages, you're very unlikely to get any responses. That's why I suggested posting at ] itself - you can either refer to section in the archive or even copy the archived section back to ]. Anyway, if you're not interested in listening to people trying to help you, then please yourself and post wherever you like - but don't start moaning if you don't get an answer. (And no, whatever it is you're talking about, I wouldn't like to know, thanks - and I have no interest whatsoever in your dispute with AndyTheGrump) ] (]) 10:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
::Oh, I just noticed in your edit summary you said "''Sorry Squinge but it hasn't been archived yet''". Look at the title of that page - it's "]" (my emphasis). ] (]) 11:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:::I can't see myself moaning if I don't get an answer. Interesting and somewhat amusing your edit where you felt the need to come back and add to your earlier reply to me - - "but don't start moaning if you don't get an answer" - - I guess you just felt the need to do it. OK, I see you're right about the archives. Obviously there's some kind of finalization process then they get turned purple later. ] (]) 08:29, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
:::: Lots of content that is archived is never "turned purple later". The point is that once something is archived, it's off-limits because it's no longer being discussed and/or watched, and making a substantial edit is a form of ], so just don't go there. If you feel the subject should be revived, it is possible to start a new thread on the same subject on the noticeboard. -- ] (]) 15:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
::::: This has already been discussed and sorted as you can very well see. I can't understand why you would feel the need to put in this last post. Oh well, I guess you just felt the need to. ] (]) 07:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::: I don't see where your "turned purple later" misunderstanding (which I addressed) was "sorted out", so there's no need for the snarky "felt the need to" (for me or for ] above). That's not AGF or civil. I explained it to you, so that's it. -- ] (]) 02:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::: '''Again''' I repeat <u>This has already been discussed and sorted as you can very well see.</u> You have chosen to put in these comments 6 months later. This was already sorted well over 6 months ago. I put replies into the discussion as it wasn't in archived status to me. It was pointed out that the discussion was closed and then back then, I said that I now understood. Now more than 6 months later you come in and add your remarks to something that is already, obviously done and dusted, finished, finalized, closed, no need to revisit. Look, if you're unhappy about something else then it's OK to be open about it. I don't mind ☺ . ] (]) 06:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

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I think you had better stop edit warring Jytdog ] (]) 09:06, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
==Cyber bullying?==
Please clarify. You think I'm bullying you by pointing out that your suggestions violate our policies and put you at risk of a Arbcom-enforced ban or block? --] (]) 14:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:Hmmm, not sure if I've actually had any direct discussions with you Ronz. I'm certain that I haven't suggested that you have been bullying me. If you had attempted anything as such I would have pointed that out to you. That being the case it would be in my memory. Unless you can be a bit more clear here, I don't think I'll be able to discuss much more of this with you. Unlike AndyTheGrump, I don't recall you using any profanity(that contains the F word) at me either. Thanks ] (]) 10:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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:I totally reject the reasons given for the articles deletion. WHAT MORE CAN I SAY? ] (]) 08:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

== Possibly helpful reply ==

Mr Bill,

Any article can be subjected to a review for deletion. I would ask for a mentor ] if I were you, and you can explore your questions and the Request for Deletion process/requirements with someone who knows something. Sorry that I can't be more help, '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 06:24, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
: Petrarchan47, all I can say is that you have integrity. Thankyou for your reply. Reading , I am in 100% agreement. I am sickened to the stomach at what I see taking place. Perhaps this is not the place for me any more.I don't know. I'm going to do something else for a while to take my mind off this. ] (]) 08:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
::As am I, and I have been looking at this in depth for almost 3 years, so my negative response is not a knee jerk reaction to turmoil. I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I must stand by my recommendation that you give up all hope and just go enjoy your life. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 08:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I've posted another request on the deleting admins page . I'm hopping for a reply. ] (]) 10:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

==''Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs'' - Article that was deleted==
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:Hi A2soup, thanks so much for your input and also advice. I'll take heed to your valuable suggestions. I do appreciate it. I've been away from things for a few days. I thought we'd see a bit more input but that's OK. I know that the film picked up some awards and honors but I saw some others too. Should I include that or just keep it simple? Is it time sensitive? Many thanks. ] (]) 10:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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''' Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs''' is a documentary film directed by ], and ] that looks at possible dangers of genetically modified foods. The people that are featured in the film leading scientists, physicians and professors. Also featured are attorneys and activists. It looks at the main players in Big Agriculture such as ], ] and ]. <ref>] </ref><ref>] </ref>
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The film looks at the possible relationship between governments and corporations that engage in genetic modification. In the film, Dr. Bruce Lipton mentions the world heading towards the sixth mass extinction of life on the planet." <ref>piensaChile.com </ref><ref>''The Money Mafia: A World in Crisis'' By ] </ref> Some of the issues explored by the film are what can happen to people as a result of eating GM food and what can happen to a farmer who's non GM crop is in close proximity to a crop that has been genetically modified and what happens if the farmers crop is downwind. <ref>Top Documentary Films </ref>
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== Verifiability, not truth ==

Bill, I notice that you place a lot of emphasis on "truth"; your username and your recent to your user page reinforce that impression. Good for you, because truth is important. I don't know how old you are or how much experience you have with dealing with various types of "truth". I don't know whether you have ever changed your mind about a truth, or discovered that something you thought was truth wasn't true at all, or was only a part of the truth.

At Misplaced Pages we deliberately try to steer clear of the concept of "truth" for some very good reasons. This was even part of policy! It's not that we don't care. On the contrary, but we determine content by first looking at other things, and ultimately they may weigh as heavily as the "truth" of the matter. Why? Because very few "truths" are absolute. There are many angles to a subject, and everyone comes at it from different angles and with different reliable sources. Each editor thinks they, and only they, know the "truth", but that is rarely true. One has a leg, another has a trunk, and another has a tail. None of them really has the whole elephant, but they each think they do. Waving a "truth" flag at a time like that ends up being a fool's errand.

There is an essay based on a phrase we used to have in a policy: "]". Those words are still important to keep in mind. I suggest you study that essay, and then tone down the idea that you somehow possess the truth. That's not conducive to editing here, because it's a "know it all" attitude and not very collaborative. We edit collaboratively because "no one knows everything, but everyone knows something." We must respect that everyone has something to give, and we must work together. Anything which threatens that mutual respect is destructive and part of a ] attitude.

When you keep making negative comments and insinuations about other editors, as if they are moved by commercial or COI interests and agendas from Big Pharma, industry, etc., you're not ], and that attitude poisons the well. It's an extremely serious violation of policy. If you have absolute proof, by name and very strong evidence, that an editor is being paid to edit in a certain manner which violates policy, then by all means ''discretely'' bring that to the attention of a trusted admin. Never do it publicly, even by insinuation, as that is outing and you can be blocked on the spot. That's one of the worst sins here. Without such evidence, you shouldn't allow yourself to even entertain the idea that another editor has anything but the best motives. You too must stand before God, and judging the motives of another person is a serious matter. It's a sin. Don't play God.

You must focus on content and sourcing, and work with others to collaboratively create content. We don't work by outside agendas here, but by policies which dictate how we should edit. Sure, we all have various understandings of what those policies mean, so we learn from other editors who are more experienced, and then we change our newbie opinions and interpretations. That's the way to become a good editor. -- ] (]) 03:58, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

:BullRangifer, I would say that our ages could possibly similar. I'm discovering things all the time my friend. Yes, in my lifetime I have caught myself in the midst of something untruthful and made the right change and other times I have not. That's a shame I have to live with. All I can do is try my best do right, and try hard not to be selfish. If I can pull a day off by doing the best I can then that's better than not trying.<p>Yes I have to stand before God. I'm not trying to play God. I'm just pointing out that there is something we all (Myself included) have to do and that is be truthful. Sad fact is that there are some here that are not!<p>Yes we have to work together and that's a good thing to aim for.<p>I don't keep making insuations as you put it. I'm saying that there is a held-belief by many that there are people who have motivations other than helping to expand the ever expanding Misplaced Pages. Perhaps those here that make shill accusations which I have had to endure as well as profanity and abuse mat take heed to your words. BTW: I don't believe in publc outing. Good suggestion about bringing certain matters to a trusted editor. I'll keep that in mind. Thankyou. ] (]) 09:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

== Do you have a source confirming ] owns an operational time machine? ==

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:Yes I have just realized that. Actually at least 3 of the links are valid. The others obviously are not. There are actually 2 publishing companies with the same name and set decades apart. I have a solution to the problem. ] (]) 15:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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== Manual of Style matters ==

Do you read the edit summaries for edits made by others to things on your watchlist? If you did, you would notice I have fixed some glitches which you habitually make, and , yet you still do it, so I'm approaching you here. I have been trying to improve your articles, but it's frustrating when I don't see cooperation, and I don't want to waste my time. The Manual of Style (MoS) is huge and no one expects you to know all of it. I certainly don't! So please accept this advice as an attempt to help you improve your editing. You'll have more success if you do.

The issue is regarding the placement of references and some other formatting issues. According to the MoS, there should be no spaces before or between refs, and punctuation goes before, not after a ref. Also the External links section goes after the References section. Please go back to articles you have edited and fix these, and then start doing it properly from now on. Thanks. -- ] (]) 16:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes I took note about the spacing the last time I was here. Yes I will make an effort to put punctuation before, not after a ref. As for external links section going after the References section, well if that's the way it is supposed to be then that's the way it will be. No dispute there. But, you'll have your work cut out for you friend as a lot of editors like to put external links before the references section. Personally I think it looks better with the refs at the bottom. ] (]) 09:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:: Take a look at the ]'s Table of Contents and you'll see the proper sequence for an article. -- ] (]) 15:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::: Ok, I'll check it out for a guide. Thankyou. ] (]) 07:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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:: Oh hi there Garzfoth, Comes as no surprise here that you have Proposed the deletion of '']''. I've seen you in action since your work on ] on 18:08, 4 August 2015 to the latest with ] 13:48, 7 August 2015. You have been busy, haven't you! You've certainly lightened ] x 14 edits, ] ‎x 3 edits, ] x 25 edits, ] x 3 edits that made the article go from 11 references to just 2 now. MY goodness you certainly have been a busy bee. I see some of the references you removed from ] were from news services such as '']'', '']'', '']'' , '']'' and '']''. So an article that had 11 references is now just down to 2. Not much to anchor it down now. Oh well, being so light it may blow away with the next gust of wind that comes through Misplaced Pages. BTGW: Looking at the reduction here that you have done, where you said ''(F*ck this, I'm removing the entire "current campaigns" section, it's way too far beyond saving at this point. This needs to be redone in a style similar to what is used in Greenpeace.)'', it almost brought a smile to my face. Not sure why though. I think possibly because you appear to take your work very seriously. My word you have been hard at it. Hmmm ... Goodness you have been busy. Have a nice time at it. I dare say you're on the way to making at least some of Misplaced Pages .. .... ... ..... . ] (]) 14:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove here. Do you have an issue with any particular edit I've made? To address the specific issue of ], I don't see how you can defend the way the article was before I cleaned it up, it was in terrible shape. You seem to be completely ignoring as many Misplaced Pages policies as possible while editing, it's really quite stunning, and you seem to be here solely to promote certain ] views and material. Additionally, your writing style has issues, I'm not sure if you're a non-native English speaker or if you're just not used to the writing styles used on Misplaced Pages, but either way, it's not helping your case, and it gives the impression that you're not putting much effort into producing quality writing in the first place.
:::On the topic of taking my "work" seriously, or being "hard at it", this vagueness is not helpful or productive at all. I assume you intend to imply some (wholly imaginary) shady intent on my part, which is quite the ironic implication from the user whose edits are primarily composed of ] activity. ] (]) 16:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
:::: You have a destructive way of cleaning up articles. The tone of your commentary while doing so easily gives the impression you're on an another road rather than the "editing to improve one". From what I have witnessed so far, I can say here that some of what you have done borders on vandalism! And for you to say my edits are 'primarily composed of ] activity; is either inane or intentionally misleading. ] (]) 10:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::"You have a destructive way of cleaning up articles." -- I make ] edits ''when necessary'', which it was in these cases. In the case of ], I first removed content that had no place in the article in the first place, then made one single broad cleanup edit that rearranged, rewrote, and expanded the content, but also removed a lot of completely unsalvageable content. In case it isn't clear, the original article was nowhere even ''near'' to being acceptable. As I said, you are not writing in the style expected on Misplaced Pages.
:::::Maybe I should just go over some of the original article in more detail to explain. Don't take this as exact, it's just a roughly written broad overview to help you understand the issues. Also, please excuse my oversized paragraph, I don't want to break this apart across multiple lines. Let's start with the head section. In here, you say he is "notable as a professor". This is already unacceptable, we do not need to say he is "notable", this is nothing more than a flimsy excuse to justify his notability (which, for the record, I strongly doubt he is notable enough for a wiki article). Additionally, being a professor is hardly notable. Now, next you say he is an outspoken highly prominent activist. This is a claim that is uncited, unsupported, and overstated. Outspoken -- how? highly prominent -- why? You need to support all this, but you also need to beef up the first section with more content, give us an overview of his achievements, not just this exceedingly brief and worthless two-sentence summary. Also, you need to cite the professor bit. Onto the infobox. Here, you filled out, oh, two fields. Nationality American -- which BTW is uncited. Occupation -- this is hardly useful, just a duplicate of what you said previously. There is no other useful information in the infobox, or in the head section, where there should be much much more. Onto the bio. He has co-founded various organizations. This is a terrible sentence, please don't write like this. He is the co-founder of -- oh, look at that, a red link. Please don't do that. You cited this, good job, it's not a great citation, but it's okay. Next you say AGAIN that he is the co-founder of CRG, which you just said previously. This is sloppy writing. He is connected with CBP blah blah -- this is uncited, and I don't see any reason to include it. You need to explain why this is important and not just a minor trivia item. You give a little detail about his university teaching -- I moved this to the head, if you want this info here, you need to expand on it further. He also studies -- this bit is worthless without detailed expansion, as it stands, it's nothing more than vague irrelevant trivia. Onto the next half of the bio. He attended the 1992 summit, great, but 2400 NGOs and others attended, you need to do a far better job of explaining the notability of this if you want to include it, as it stands this does not belong in the article. Next we roughly transition into talking about him speaking at some random venue without much explanation about why this is notable, and the usual poor writing, which as I said, is a big issue with your contribs.
:::::...wow, that's a huge paragraph, and I didn't even cover the entire article. I think this should be enough to let you figure out the issues with the other sections on your own, they're actually even worse and this is glaringly obvious. If you want to write about his opinions, you need a ] summary of his views, NOT this terrible mess of random trivia, claims, fringe stuff, poorly written quotes, etc.
:::::I hope this helps you understand some of the issues with your writing and that article, as well as why I made the changes I made. The other major article you seem to have an issue with my edits on is ]. You didn't go into much detail beyond singling out the "Fuck this" edit, so I'll focus on that one. As you can notice in my contribs, I spent a bunch of time working on the entire article, including the sections I eventually removed in that edit, so it's not as if I didn't try to salvage those sections before giving up. As the edit summary shows, I specifically pointed out ] as an example of how the removed content ''should'' have been covered. I don't want to waste a huge amount more of my time on another stupidly long explanation of every little issue with the article, I really shouldn't have to explain this to you in this much detail in the first place. You seem to be more focused on ignoring the issues with what was removed and focusing on the ''amount'' removed, which is terribly myopic and IMO seems to be a deliberate attempt at framing my edits as destructive when they were in fact constructive, as the volume doesn't matter, the quality matters, and the quality in this case was pure trash, so I removed the trash. If you really want me to waste more of my time explaining this, please at least highlight some specific thing you take issue with.
:::::MOVING ON... "The tone of your commentary while doing so easily gives the impression you're on an another road rather than the "editing to improve one"." -- Please highlight with examples. I think you're misinterpreting portions of my writing style as something it is not. I suggest looking through my past contribs to see the style and content of my edits and edit summaries before drawing any conclusions about my motives.
:::::"From what I have witnessed so far, I can say here that some of what you have done borders on vandalism!" -- I do not agree, please highlight with examples.
:::::"And for you to say my edits are 'primarily composed of ] activity; is either inane or intentionally misleading." -- I think you should take a good hard look at how your edits persistently fall under ], especially #1, #2, #4, and #5. ] (]) 15:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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: '''In reply to your tactic''' of placing '''Conflict of interest in Misplaced Pages''' on my talk page. First of all I put the Preceding unsigned comment template in here as this is really 2 sections for a reply and for the benefit of the onlooker who I believe you had in mind when you put this nonsense in, I would like to make it easier to follow.<p> All I can say in reply to what you have done here with this '''Conflict of interest in Misplaced Pages''' section, is .... '''You expose yourself more and more and confirm my suspicions about your real purpose on Misplaced Pages.''' In addition to making a total ass of yourself, you just confirm what many people suspect And once again I feel pity for you. ] (]) 11:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
===Comments and question===
Misplaced Pages is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Misplaced Pages and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Misplaced Pages community if you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by out ] policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with Gary Null, or companies that produce or distribute his films or other products? Or to any of the subject matter you've been working on? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a ''connection'', with please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Misplaced Pages, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Thanks!

You can reply here - I am watching this page. Once you do, we can take it from there. Thanks in advance for talking! ] (]) 23:54, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

: '''You're either a total idiot Jytdog''' or '''you take to the given tasks very seriously'''. I may find time to reply to this piece of gross stupidity that you have put down here. Whilst considering a possibly .... if it's what I suspect and you're just obeying your masters, I feel the greatest pity for you. I really do. '''You have no idea of the pity I feel for you.''' Oh I will say one thing. I work for nobody and I bend over for no body! Oh and one more thing again. Either way, I truly pity you. ] (]) 09:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
::It is a valid question, based on your editing to date. Would you please answer? If you don't want to talk to me about that, I understand. We ~could~ take this to COIN and the community could discuss it. I really have no desire to tangle with you. Thanks. ] (]) 11:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
::: '''You're contunually making more and more of an ass of yourself'''. Sorry, I'm not going to play your silly game. You say ''We ~could~ take this to COIN and the community could discuss it. I really have no desire to tangle with you. Thanks.''. Do what you want or your handlers want you to do. Once again, I feel great pity for you. ] (]) 12:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
::::Please be aware that talking about another editor as you are, is sanctionable behavior. I'll let it go as you are fairly new and excitable, but you should stop doing that. I'll tee up a case at COIN for others to engage with you on this stuff, and will provide notice to you when I do. Best regards. ] (]) 13:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Jytdog, <u>Please be aware</u> that '''mis'''using a a wikipedia process and using a title such as '''Conflict of interest in Misplaced Pages''' as a means to slander another member is not a moral thing and I dare say not looked upon lightly. If you're engaged in such a tactic then I would ask you right now to desist with this behaviour. And to post such things as you have with<br> ''"Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by out WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with Gary Null, or companies that produce or distribute his films or other products? Or to any of the subject matter you've been working on? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, with please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Misplaced Pages, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Thanks!''"<br> This is not a righteous thing to do especially if it's used to slander someone. If you are engaging in this behavior then I ask you to cease this at once! I have been tolerating this harassment for a short time and whilst I still pity you greatly, I feel a need to ask you to stop it. I won't stand for bullying and harassment so you need to take note & behave. I'd rather you not post any more nonsense on my talk page. Thanks ] (]) 10:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::Your ''editing'' fits the pattern of an editor with a conflict of interest; the question has a basis. It may be that you are an advocate without a COI but the discussion is not progressing, so I'll go ahead and open the COIN case now, and that will be my last word on this. Best regards. ] (]) 11:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Which is done. See ]. ] (]) 11:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::'''Oh please won't you just go away''' You're becoming extremely tiresome. BTW LIES, I pity you in a way that you'll never be able to fathom ] (]) 11:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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