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=="Romania Intregita"== =="Romania Intregita"==
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This idea said, that every land is a Romanian territory, whereever the great rivers (Tisza with the river Bodrog and Dnister) of the Romanian Carpathian Mountains (Eastern and Southern Carpathians) spread out their alluvial deposit. So Greater Romania is the territory between the River Tisza and River Dnister. It consist of the Carpathian Ruthenia and North-Bukovina (nowdays in Ukraine and East-Slovakia - Presov and its vicinity), the Hungarian territory east of the river Tisza, Republic of Moldova (without Transnistria), Lower-Moldavia (nowdays in Ukraine) South-Dobruja (nowdays in Bulgaria), and West-Banat (nowdays in Serbia: East part of the former Province - Vojvodina) and - naturally - Romania. This idea said, that every land is a Romanian territory, whereever the great rivers (Tisza with the river Bodrog and Dnister) of the Romanian Carpathian Mountains (Eastern and Southern Carpathians) spread out their alluvial deposit. So Greater Romania is the territory between the River Tisza and River Dnister. It consist of the Carpathian Ruthenia and North-Bukovina (nowdays in Ukraine and East-Slovakia - Presov and its vicinity), the Hungarian territory east of the river Tisza, Republic of Moldova (without Transnistria), Lower-Moldavia (nowdays in Ukraine) South-Dobruja (nowdays in Bulgaria), and West-Banat (nowdays in Serbia: East part of the former Province - Vojvodina) and - naturally - Romania.


== NPOV ==
== Misused quote from Kessler ==

I removed the misued quote from Kessler, after the discussion at ], ] (]) 08:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I can't find the phrase "ethnocentric nationalism" from ]'s version in the given source. Another aspect: Kessler's article is called "Ideas And Ideology In '''Interwar''' Romania", so it refers to a period from the past, while the phrase from this wiki article uses present tense: "The Romanian ideology '''is''' a typical example of ethnocentric nationalism". ] (]) 15:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:Kessler's version is much harsher (he uses the term "xenophobic nationalism"). ] (]) 16:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
::So ] is described as an xenophobic nationalist. I don't understand how is this related to the concept of "Greater Romania".
::P.S. I am not even sure that these terms ("xenophobic" amd "ethnocentric") are synonyms. ] (]) 16:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::xenophobic: "racist, nationalist, bigoted, parochial, insular, isolationist, ethnocentric, racialist" ] (]) 17:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::No, Kessler says that Cuza's writings are a good example for depicting the Romanian "psyche". ] (]) 17:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok, then I have nothing agaisnt the replacement of "xenophobic" with "ethnocentric". But the other problem presists: Kessler's article is called "Ideas And Ideology In '''Interwar''' Romania", so it refers to a period from the past, while the phrase from this wiki article uses present tense: "The Romanian ideology '''is''' a typical example of ethnocentric nationalism". ] (]) 17:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Hey, I have already fixed it. " in the first decades of the twentieth century was " (early decades). ] (]) 17:48, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::Another (the third) editor commented at ] and rejected your text. ], are you sure that you still want that phrase in the article? ] (]) 21:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

], I appreciate your gesture to remove the unecyclopedic quote, but in my opninion the remaining sentence ("The Romanian national ideology in the first decades of the twentieth century was a typical example of ethnocentric nationalism") is still problematic (And I am not the only one, ] agreed with me )


{{re|Mars terra}}
], what do you think? Should this sentence be removed / rephrased? In my opninion, it does not refer to the general concept of Greater Romania and it is also a slight difference between the original text (from the source) and the text added to the article. The original phrase does not refer to "the Romanian national ideology". ] (]) 23:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


* Greater Hungary is irredentism;
== United Romania Party ==
* Greater Bulgaria is irredentism;
* Greater Greece is irredentism;
* Greater Russia is irredentism;
* Greater Romania isn't irredentism.


How do we call that? ]. Or lacking ]. ] (]) 21:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
I think Partidul România Unită (United Romania Party), founded by MP Bogdan Diaconu on 17 August 2014, should also be mentioned. is self-explanatory. ] (]) 23:13, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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"Romania Intregita"

The article now says, 'The politically correct Romanian term "Romania Intregita" has its closest meaning in English as "Whole Romania".'

  1. Shouldn't this be "România Intregita"?
    România Întregitā indeed.. it's a plague, romanians are using Western European Encoding Keyboard instead of switching to Central European keyboard, i'm plagued by this too -- Criztu 19:41, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  2. A few questions: how common is this usage? I get less than 200 Google hits.
    Romania Mare (greater romania) was hijacked by a political nationalistic party. (Criztu, unsigned)
    • Yes, I added had already added a statement to that effect to the article, but that doesn't answer how common is România Întregită. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:41, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
  3. As a native English speaker, "Whole Romania" is certainly something I would never think to say. What is the basis for saying this is "its closest meaning in English"? I would say "Integral Romania" or "Undivided Romania".

-- Jmabel | Talk 18:38, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

in 1919 Romania was "whole again", not "integral", and now is "incomplete", not "divided" . romanian word "intreg" means 'whole; entire' -- Criztu 19:41, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'd misread, even while copying: I'd thought the root was integrală.
Perhaps "The Entirety of Romania" or "The Whole of Romania"? "Whole Romania" just isn't likely English. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:41, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

The whole Romania is greater than the 1920-1940 border in the original 'Greater Romania' idea

This idea said, that every land is a Romanian territory, whereever the great rivers (Tisza with the river Bodrog and Dnister) of the Romanian Carpathian Mountains (Eastern and Southern Carpathians) spread out their alluvial deposit. So Greater Romania is the territory between the River Tisza and River Dnister. It consist of the Carpathian Ruthenia and North-Bukovina (nowdays in Ukraine and East-Slovakia - Presov and its vicinity), the Hungarian territory east of the river Tisza, Republic of Moldova (without Transnistria), Lower-Moldavia (nowdays in Ukraine) South-Dobruja (nowdays in Bulgaria), and West-Banat (nowdays in Serbia: East part of the former Province - Vojvodina) and - naturally - Romania.

NPOV

@Mars terra:

  • Greater Hungary is irredentism;
  • Greater Bulgaria is irredentism;
  • Greater Greece is irredentism;
  • Greater Russia is irredentism;
  • Greater Romania isn't irredentism.

How do we call that? Special pleading. Or lacking WP:CIR. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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