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| :::Regarding ethinic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits ( Bhramin caste) from Kashmir by Islamic militants, this is a political issue and all hindus irrespective of their caste have suffered and had to leave kashmeer. This problem of ethinic cleansing is not peculiar to Kashmiri Bhramins. Kashmiri Bhramins plight has been redressed by affirmative action (])by the goverment. This issue is not related to this topic --] 06:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)--] 08:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | :::Regarding ethinic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits ( Bhramin caste) from Kashmir by Islamic militants, this is a political issue and all hindus irrespective of their caste have suffered and had to leave kashmeer. This problem of ethinic cleansing is not peculiar to Kashmiri Bhramins. Kashmiri Bhramins plight has been redressed by affirmative action (])by the goverment. This issue is not related to this topic --] 06:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)--] 08:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::::This topic should not be confused as similar to Anti-Semitism as some (user Netaji) would want others to believe. Anti-semitism is hatred against a particular creed. Anti-Bhraminism is a strugle against a particular inhuman hindu philosophy("Bhramanvad" in hindi) of caste hierarchy and discrimination which was originally written in scriptures and propogated by Bhramins | ::::This topic should not be confused as similar to Anti-Semitism as some (user Netaji) would want others to believe. Anti-semitism is hatred against a particular creed. Anti-Bhraminism is a strugle against a particular inhuman hindu philosophy("Bhramanvad" in hindi) of caste hierarchy and discrimination which was originally written in scriptures and propogated by Bhramins | ||
| :::::You honestly want us to believe that ] and ] are different? Or that your blind rage towards "Bhramins" is not akin to ] or even ]?--]] 02:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | :::::You honestly want us to believe that ] and ] are different? Or that your blind rage towards "Bhramins" is not akin to ] or even ]?--]] 02:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::: They are different. Bhraminism is not necessarily practiced by all Bhramins. Bhraminism is practiced (much more) by other Hindu castes as well, (baniyas,Kurmis, yadavs, marathas) The recent burning of dalit village of 'Gohana' by the 'Jats' is an example. I have no hatred for Bhramins. Please wait till I put up the racist philosophy of Bhraminism as written in their scriptures, No sane man in this world can support it. You are obviously trying to spread misinformation. the oppressed classes are at the recieving end due to this philosophy, not the oppressors.(There have been 5 bhramin prime ministers in India though their population is less than 2%. Is this discrimination against bharmins or preference) --] 04:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | ::: They are different. Bhraminism is not necessarily practiced by all Bhramins. Bhraminism is practiced (much more) by other Hindu castes as well, (baniyas,Kurmis, yadavs, marathas) The recent burning of dalit village of 'Gohana' by the 'Jats' is an example. I have no hatred for Bhramins. Please wait till I put up the racist philosophy of Bhraminism as written in their scriptures, No sane man in this world can support it. You are obviously trying to spread misinformation. the oppressed classes are at the recieving end due to this philosophy, not the oppressors.(There have been 5 bhramin prime ministers in India though their population is less than 2%. Is this discrimination against bharmins or preference) --] 04:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::::If you don't hate them, why do you mind their becoming Prime Ministers? --]] 12:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' and cleanup. Notable subject, and article isn't unsalvageable. --]<sup>(])</sup> 16:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' and cleanup. Notable subject, and article isn't unsalvageable. --]<sup>(])</sup> 16:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Week keep''', with substantial cleanup. It's a valid subject, but the current edit is POV, unbalanced, contains original research, and relies on conspiracy theories. I've written a ]. --] 18:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Week keep''', with substantial cleanup. It's a valid subject, but the current edit is POV, unbalanced, contains original research, and relies on conspiracy theories. I've written a ]. --] 18:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' per above, certainly needs some POV cleanup, but appears to be a valid topic for coverage in WP. -- ''']''' (<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>) 23:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' per above, certainly needs some POV cleanup, but appears to be a valid topic for coverage in WP. -- ''']''' (<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>) 23:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *<s>Delete.</s> Those who have sufficient knowledge of the Hindu caste system will know that this is a usual tactic of the Oppressor claiming to be a Victim. History is replete with the oppressive tactics of Bhramins. their system has enslaved millions of people and branded them as untouchables |
*<s>Delete.</s> Those who have sufficient knowledge of the Hindu caste system will know that this is a usual tactic of the Oppressor claiming to be a Victim. History is replete with the oppressive tactics of Bhramins. their system has enslaved millions of people and branded them as untouchables <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | ||
| :The above post is from the same guy who posted the request. He is a definite anti-Brahmin who even accused the poster below (a shudra) of being a "Hindu Vandal" and got blocked. |
:The above post is from the same guy who posted the request. He is a definite anti-Brahmin who even accused the poster below (a shudra) of being a "Hindu Vandal" and got blocked. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | ||
| ::::You better see ,same applies to you too.]|] 14:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Strong Keep''' and cleanup. The caste system has reversed itself. Brahmins are being ethnically cleansed from Tamil nadu, Kashmir, Jharkhand etc. and this problem must be detailed for an objective encyclopedia. If there can be articles on ] then there should also be articles on anti-Brahminism.] 05:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Strong Keep''' and cleanup. The caste system has reversed itself. Brahmins are being ethnically cleansed from Tamil nadu, Kashmir, Jharkhand etc. and this problem must be detailed for an objective encyclopedia. If there can be articles on ] then there should also be articles on anti-Brahminism.] 05:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' and clean up--] 05:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' and clean up--] 05:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' Just because it is POV at the moment doesn't mean it should be deleted. It should a POv template on the top. <b |
*'''Keep''' Just because it is POV at the moment doesn't mean it should be deleted. It should a POv template on the top. ]'']'' <sup>]</sup> 05:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Strong keep''' It is an important topic in an encyclopedia. The guy who has put the AfD tag is clearly a vandal, as is evident from his words above.--]] 05:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Strong keep''' It is an important topic in an encyclopedia. The guy who has put the AfD tag is clearly a vandal, as is evident from his words above.--]] 05:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' -notable social phenomenon. ] 10:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' -notable social phenomenon. ] 10:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' and clean up--] 23:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' and clean up--] 23:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Strong Keep''' per Babub - I am also a "Hindu vandal". Hah ]%% 15:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Strong Keep''' per Babub - I am also a "Hindu vandal". Hah ]%% 15:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' The concept is Original research as per ].The term which is self explanatory --Simply meaning against orthodox ''extreme-hinduism'' has been opportunistically used to push a POV making anti--brahmanism against Brahmanas(a hindu caste),hardly an issue/notable subject.]|] 11:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' The concept is Original research as per ].The term which is self explanatory --Simply meaning against orthodox ''extreme-hinduism'' has been opportunistically used to push a POV making anti--brahmanism against Brahmanas(a hindu caste),hardly an issue/notable subject.]|] 11:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :'''Comment''' What on earth is "orthodox ''extreme-hinduism''". Why is it ok to be against it? What is opportunistic about opposing such ''opposition''? You seem to be pretty extreme yourself in pushing POVs. --]] 12:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Pal,You seem to be a bit confused about ],try disambiguation links.Orthodox Extreme Hinduism means practising rigid caste system,untouchability etc.,If you think it should not be opposed you better judge what kind of POV you yourself have???Will someone help him!!!!!!!!!!!! ]|]12:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::You haven't answered my question yet. You've just shown your pre-judice once again and why bring in ] here? Are you one of those who allege "a Massive Brahmin conspiracy" is behind everything wrong under the sun? --]] 14:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: It seems Holy Warrior has little knowledge of the Caste system. In fact it is the Christians who discriminate against the dalits the most. Only 3% of their leaders are dalits, while all across India, educated dalits well versed in the Vedas are becoming priests in mandirs. The vast majority of Sanskrit students are former untouchables. But yes, HolyWarrior is no authority on Hinduism so ignore his rants.] <sub>]</sub> 16:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Strong Keep'''. I am anti-caste fanatic, but this article is encyclopedic, though some NPOVing is needed. ] | ] 13:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Strong Keep'''. Article does have a Brahmin POV now but does not take away from the fact that anti-Brahminism does exist. Leaders of those movements have themselves called them anti-Brahmin. As such, it merits an entry here.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
| :::::Comment: Fine. If you guys feel. I have started modifying the article starting from the phylosophy of Bhramanism--] 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. Interesting topic, this AFD has spurred me on to research it more to make this a more encyclopedic article. --] 16:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Latest revision as of 15:41, 19 March 2023
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 04:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Anti-Brahmanism
Reason the page should be deleted Yeditor 14:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
This article is full of POV and propoganda material, having no encyclopaedic value and generally cooked up stories ( original research)--Yeditor 14:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- The current version as well as that suggested by user Anirvan does not deal with the topic. Anti-Bhraminism is akin to anti-racisim. It is a struggle to uproot an inhuman philosophy of Bhraminism of graded inquality (the caste system) and its evil effects destitution, poverty, Bonded labour(slavery), untouchability. Just as anti-racism does not mean a campaign against 'whites' , Anti-Bhraminism does not mean a campaign agains Bhramins. The article does not mention the philosophy of Bhraminism and presents a lopsided POV and pretends that Bhramins are victimised. There is no evidence of that. on the contrary there is excess evidence of the oppression by Bhramins (the so called upper castes) againts the Lower castes. The article has to start with the philosophy of Bhraminsism and How its Inhuman.
- Regarding ethinic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits ( Bhramin caste) from Kashmir by Islamic militants, this is a political issue and all hindus irrespective of their caste have suffered and had to leave kashmeer. This problem of ethinic cleansing is not peculiar to Kashmiri Bhramins. Kashmiri Bhramins plight has been redressed by affirmative action (reservation)by the goverment. This issue is not related to this topic --Yeditor 06:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)--Yeditor 08:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- This topic should not be confused as similar to Anti-Semitism as some (user Netaji) would want others to believe. Anti-semitism is hatred against a particular creed. Anti-Bhraminism is a strugle against a particular inhuman hindu philosophy("Bhramanvad" in hindi) of caste hierarchy and discrimination which was originally written in scriptures and propogated by Bhramins
- You honestly want us to believe that creed and philosophy are different? Or that your blind rage towards "Bhramins" is not akin to Anti-Semitism or even Racism?--→Talk 02:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- This topic should not be confused as similar to Anti-Semitism as some (user Netaji) would want others to believe. Anti-semitism is hatred against a particular creed. Anti-Bhraminism is a strugle against a particular inhuman hindu philosophy("Bhramanvad" in hindi) of caste hierarchy and discrimination which was originally written in scriptures and propogated by Bhramins
- Regarding ethinic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits ( Bhramin caste) from Kashmir by Islamic militants, this is a political issue and all hindus irrespective of their caste have suffered and had to leave kashmeer. This problem of ethinic cleansing is not peculiar to Kashmiri Bhramins. Kashmiri Bhramins plight has been redressed by affirmative action (reservation)by the goverment. This issue is not related to this topic --Yeditor 06:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)--Yeditor 08:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- The current version as well as that suggested by user Anirvan does not deal with the topic. Anti-Bhraminism is akin to anti-racisim. It is a struggle to uproot an inhuman philosophy of Bhraminism of graded inquality (the caste system) and its evil effects destitution, poverty, Bonded labour(slavery), untouchability. Just as anti-racism does not mean a campaign against 'whites' , Anti-Bhraminism does not mean a campaign agains Bhramins. The article does not mention the philosophy of Bhraminism and presents a lopsided POV and pretends that Bhramins are victimised. There is no evidence of that. on the contrary there is excess evidence of the oppression by Bhramins (the so called upper castes) againts the Lower castes. The article has to start with the philosophy of Bhraminsism and How its Inhuman.
- They are different. Bhraminism is not necessarily practiced by all Bhramins. Bhraminism is practiced (much more) by other Hindu castes as well, (baniyas,Kurmis, yadavs, marathas) The recent burning of dalit village of 'Gohana' by the 'Jats' is an example. I have no hatred for Bhramins. Please wait till I put up the racist philosophy of Bhraminism as written in their scriptures, No sane man in this world can support it. You are obviously trying to spread misinformation. the oppressed classes are at the recieving end due to this philosophy, not the oppressors.(There have been 5 bhramin prime ministers in India though their population is less than 2%. Is this discrimination against bharmins or preference) --Yeditor 04:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- If you don't hate them, why do you mind their becoming Prime Ministers? --→Talk 12:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep and cleanup. Notable subject, and article isn't unsalvageable. --David Mestel 16:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Week keep, with substantial cleanup. It's a valid subject, but the current edit is POV, unbalanced, contains original research, and relies on conspiracy theories. I've written a suggested NPOV alternative. --Anirvan 18:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per above, certainly needs some POV cleanup, but appears to be a valid topic for coverage in WP. -- H·G (/works) 23:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Delete.Those who have sufficient knowledge of the Hindu caste system will know that this is a usual tactic of the Oppressor claiming to be a Victim. History is replete with the oppressive tactics of Bhramins. their system has enslaved millions of people and branded them as untouchables — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeditor (talk • contribs)
- The above post is from the same guy who posted the request. He is a definite anti-Brahmin who even accused the poster below (a shudra) of being a "Hindu Vandal" and got blocked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subhash bose (talk • contribs)
- You better see ,same applies to you too.Holy|Warrior 14:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep and cleanup. The caste system has reversed itself. Brahmins are being ethnically cleansed from Tamil nadu, Kashmir, Jharkhand etc. and this problem must be detailed for an objective encyclopedia. If there can be articles on anti-semitism then there should also be articles on anti-Brahminism.Netaji 05:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep and clean up--D-Boy 05:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Just because it is POV at the moment doesn't mean it should be deleted. It should a POv template on the top. Gizza 05:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep It is an important topic in an encyclopedia. The guy who has put the AfD tag is clearly a vandal, as is evident from his words above.--→Talk 05:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep -notable social phenomenon. Metamagician3000 10:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep and clean up--Shyamsunder 23:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep per Babub - I am also a "Hindu vandal". Hah Bakaman%% 15:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete The concept is Original research as per WP:NOR.The term which is self explanatory --Simply meaning against orthodox extreme-hinduism has been opportunistically used to push a POV making anti--brahmanism against Brahmanas(a hindu caste),hardly an issue/notable subject.Holy | Warrior 11:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment What on earth is "orthodox extreme-hinduism". Why is it ok to be against it? What is opportunistic about opposing such opposition? You seem to be pretty extreme yourself in pushing POVs. --→Talk 12:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Pal,You seem to be a bit confused about Brahmin,try disambiguation links.Orthodox Extreme Hinduism means practising rigid caste system,untouchability etc.,If you think it should not be opposed you better judge what kind of POV you yourself have???Will someone help him!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy | Warrior12:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- You haven't answered my question yet. You've just shown your pre-judice once again and why bring in Brahmin here? Are you one of those who allege "a Massive Brahmin conspiracy" is behind everything wrong under the sun? --→Talk 14:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- It seems Holy Warrior has little knowledge of the Caste system. In fact it is the Christians who discriminate against the dalits the most. Only 3% of their leaders are dalits, while all across India, educated dalits well versed in the Vedas are becoming priests in mandirs. The vast majority of Sanskrit students are former untouchables. But yes, HolyWarrior is no authority on Hinduism so ignore his rants.Bakaman Bakatalk 16:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Pal,You seem to be a bit confused about Brahmin,try disambiguation links.Orthodox Extreme Hinduism means practising rigid caste system,untouchability etc.,If you think it should not be opposed you better judge what kind of POV you yourself have???Will someone help him!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy | Warrior12:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. I am anti-caste fanatic, but this article is encyclopedic, though some NPOVing is needed. utcursch | talk 13:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Article does have a Brahmin POV now but does not take away from the fact that anti-Brahminism does exist. Leaders of those movements have themselves called them anti-Brahmin. As such, it merits an entry here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasho78 (talk • contribs)
- Comment: Fine. If you guys feel. I have started modifying the article starting from the phylosophy of Bhramanism--Yeditor 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Interesting topic, this AFD has spurred me on to research it more to make this a more encyclopedic article. --TheM62Manchester 16:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.