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	If the ] entry is going to mention that city's distance from Sydney . . . Oh, and you might mention the city's namesake.
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	As an inhabitant of Sydney, I honestly can't see why its subway is considered interesting - some details please, or else excise the reference -- MB
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	Manning: You don't find Sydney's subway system interesting? You've obviously never gone on a tour of the disused tunnels off St. James station :) -- ]
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			== Distance from Melbourne to Sydney ==
	::Sydney's subway is really just the urban section of the suburban rail network. The most interesting feature as far as I'm concerned is that double-decker trains run underground in the city centre. >>>>] 01:15, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
	:::Double-decked trains are the ''only'' type of trains on the CityRail network, and such that fact really isn't that interesting :) ] 01:19, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

			Hi guys,
	::::Sydney is still the only city I know that has double-decker trains running underground in the city centre. If I choose to be interested by that then it's interesting. :P ] 13:13, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
			the distance between Sydney and Melbourne is different on the Melbourne and Sydney Misplaced Pages pages.

			They should be the same.
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			I've also flagged this in the Melbourne Misplaced Pages Talk Page.
	Again, some discussion of Sin City's criminal past is worthwhile, but the article as it stands gives the misleading impression that the crime rate is extremely high in world terms, which is just not true. Not even Alan Jones can make it so.---] 07:31 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

	I agree - the crime section seems very out of place - wm

			Thanks ] (]) 23:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
	:I've bitten the bullet and yanked it and whacked a great big disclaimer on top. If somebody wants to fix it, well and good, otherwise it can stay well out of the way. --] 04:13 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

			== Infobox images ==
	:: That'sinteresting - it was part of a seprate article in the first place! ( See history of this page) ] 07:35 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

			I made an edit that swaps out the skyline image from 2023 with one from 2021, which I preferred as it showed much more of the skyline, including Sydney's new tallest building of One Barangaroo. Upon looking at the images further I think the current pic captures a pretty good portion of the skyline (and has a bit of One Barangaroo in it regardless) so I'm no longer inclined to change it.
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			However, I do think we should swap the placements of the Sydney Harbour picture and the skyline, going with the convention that the first picture on a city's article is that city's skyline. Let me know if this is fine. ] (]) 01:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
	I just had a look at the ] city page and it seems to have more "stuff" and I think Toronto is good comparison city for Sydney. I might attempt to write some more stuff on Culture (isn't that with a K??) Film Festivals, Theatre (STC, Belvoir) Mardi Gras, Sydney Festival, SSO/ACO/Musica Viva etc etc any other thoughts?? ] 08:33, 2004 Mar 17 (UTC)

			:Actually I prefer the top picture to be the one with the Opera House and Harbour Bridge because these are the two most iconic images of Sydney. And the skyline picture could be of any major city anywhere in the world. We don't have to follow convention. Sydney is not like any other city: it has the opera house and harbour bridge! ] (]) 02:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
	:feel free to expand the ] article, it's good to add a '''summary''' of whatever you add there in the main article, but don't add all the content in the main article. the toronto article is rather long, and should probably have sections such as '''history''', hived off into separate articles when they get very long, with prominent ''Main article'' links to them, similar to the way the country articles are laid out (see ] as an example of how this is done). unfortunately many of the city articles aren't following the ] template (even though it says it's for US cities, it can be used for non-US cities). ] 09:44, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
			::I mean, NYC has the Statue of Liberty but it still uses the skyline as the first photo; same for Milan and the Milan Cathedral, or London with St Paul's Cathedral and Big Ben. I guess there is no hard and fast rule about this, but I do see that cities with modern skylines tend to have it first. Maybe we could have one with both the Opera House and the skyline in the same frame? ] (]) 02:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::Let's see what others think. ] (]) 03:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

			::::Agree we should lead with the Opera House / Harbour Bridge image, per ] - this is consistent with the practices in other reference works (eg ) and is what readers are likely to expect. ] (]) 22:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
	==links in headings==
	links should not generally appear in headings of narrative articles (sometimes it's OK in "list of"-style articles) see: ], also ] and other templates (see my comment above), as well other articles use the ''Main article:'' convention. ] 12:39, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

	== How to list LGAs? ==

	I added a list of local government areas...IMHO these are more important then most of the listed suburbs...only ''notable'' suburbs that aren't also LGAs should be listed, e.g. Bondi Junction, Chatswood, Cronulla. But the list is pretty long. Too long? I don't know how to format it into two columns. Maybe it's better to have a separate article, 'list of Sydney local government areas'.--] 10:06, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

	:There is a ]. I really don't think the LGA list needs be here, maybe not even the suburbs, unless super-special. All those lists should be kept seperate. ''']'''] <small>16:09, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)</small>

	::A soulution may be to add the Sydney_regions template instead. Might look a little neater, and it lists all the LGAs AND 'regions'. -] 10:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

	== Chinatown of Sydney ==

	I'm trying to develop the Australian section of the article on ], so no country will feel they're excluded from the list. Does Sydney also follow the old touristy urban Sydney Chinatown vs. the new surburban Chinatown pattern? If you have any local perspective, please add them to the article.

	By the way, correct anything you feel is erroneous.

	* So people are very quick to delete the link to the main Chinatown article (I added it because it could use some more information on Sydney's Chinatown), but yet they're not so quick in adding much-needed new information to it. Sad.

	::I've added some info to the ] article, but I don't think a link to an article on generic Chinatowns is appropriate in a list of Sydney tourist attractions. The Sydney Aquarium listing doesn't need a link to ].--] 15:44, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

	== Rugby League ==

	The ARL is a unique sport mainly played in Sydney. Someone wanna write something about that if they're interested?


	== Largest suburban area ==

	I find no reference for this claim outside wikipedia mirrors. Its metro area is nowhere as big as LA's or New York's, and 'suburban' is a dodgy term. I changed it to 'one of the world's largest urban areas for its population', which is definitely true as the density is low. ] 04:19, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

	: gives an area for the city and suburbs of about 12,400 sq km. discusses the population and sizes of various cities. It is mainly interested in the top twenty by population. The listed cities and their size in sq kms are: New York (17884), Moscow (14925), Chicago (12028), London (11391), Buenos Aires (10888), Los Angeles (10780), Sao Paulo (8479), Tokyo (8014), Mexico City (7346), Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto (6930), Beijing (6562), Shanghai (5177), Jakarta (5100), Seoul (5076), Delhi-New Delhi (3182), Hong Kong-Shenzhen (3051), Manila (2521), Mumbai (Bombay) (2350), Kolkata (Calcutta) (1785), Cairo (1600), Karachi (1100). If the Encarta area is correct, the Sydney article should not claim it is the biggest city by area. It can claim it is bigger than most of the cities in the list. --] 10:51, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	::By the way, Los Angeles is listed on several sites as 1,215 sq km so Sydney is bigger than LA - just. --] 08:36, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	== History of Sydney Melbourne rivalry ==

	Is there an article on this somewhere? If not there should be. The interesting thing I find about it is that the rivalry seems more prominent in Sydney than in Melbourne. People in Sydney have a dislike of Melbourne whereas people in Melbourne generally like Sydney but dislike its egocentricity, or at least that is my experience. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Melbourne was for many years after the gold rush larger and more influential than Sydney. It was chosen as the first capital of Australia. Many federal government institutions were set up there and have gradually left for Canberra or sometimes Sydney. It had all the embassies and all of these factors were reasons for many companies setting up there. With the move of the capital to Canberra, Sydney was then much closer and this has been a factor in Sydney's rise, not to mention the weather and the harbour views. Interestingly, most people in Sydney are unaware that Melbourne was ever the capital of Australia. I suspect they have forgotten why they don't like Melbourne. I am sure there must be heaps of documentation from the time of Federation and both before and after. I am not a historian but surely this is an interesting topic for someone. --] 23:25, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	:I have thought about an article before, but couldn't find any real information online, though I didn't search all too hard, and there's bound to be something offline too. As a Melburnian, I can say that the rivalry still exists here, and we do from time to time get 'Opera House envy' if you can call it that - things like trying to develop a landmark building in the Docklands, but not knowing exactly what it should be. I've always laughed at this rivalry though; where else has the government said "If you can't play fair with it, neither of you get it!" Frankly, it would have been better here :P ''']'''] <small>06:54, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)</small>

	::I have found some interesting stats that I have put on the ] page. In 1901 Melbourne was just larger than Sydney with NSW having a larger population by some degree but in 1881 the population of Vic was much larger than NSW. Federation didn't just happen in 1901 there was a long lead time. Another reason for Canberra was to be inland for strategic reasons. That way an army would have more problem attacking the capital. Mind you it didn't stop the British when they trashed Washington DC in the ]. --] 08:28, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

	==Alternative satellite photo==

	FYI, there's another NASA satellite photo of Sydney - much higher res (maybe too high?). Can be used under the ''PD-USGov-NASA'' image tag. - ] 03:34, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Distance from Melbourne to Sydney

Hi guys, the distance between Sydney and Melbourne is different on the Melbourne and Sydney Misplaced Pages pages.

They should be the same.

I've also flagged this in the Melbourne Misplaced Pages Talk Page.

Thanks Fido frog (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Infobox images

I made an edit that swaps out the skyline image from 2023 with one from 2021, which I preferred as it showed much more of the skyline, including Sydney's new tallest building of One Barangaroo. Upon looking at the images further I think the current pic captures a pretty good portion of the skyline (and has a bit of One Barangaroo in it regardless) so I'm no longer inclined to change it.

However, I do think we should swap the placements of the Sydney Harbour picture and the skyline, going with the convention that the first picture on a city's article is that city's skyline. Let me know if this is fine. LivinAWestLife (talk) 01:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually I prefer the top picture to be the one with the Opera House and Harbour Bridge because these are the two most iconic images of Sydney. And the skyline picture could be of any major city anywhere in the world. We don't have to follow convention. Sydney is not like any other city: it has the opera house and harbour bridge! Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 02:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean, NYC has the Statue of Liberty but it still uses the skyline as the first photo; same for Milan and the Milan Cathedral, or London with St Paul's Cathedral and Big Ben. I guess there is no hard and fast rule about this, but I do see that cities with modern skylines tend to have it first. Maybe we could have one with both the Opera House and the skyline in the same frame? LivinAWestLife (talk) 02:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Let's see what others think. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Agree we should lead with the Opera House / Harbour Bridge image, per MOS:LEADIMAGE - this is consistent with the practices in other reference works (eg Britannica) and is what readers are likely to expect. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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