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: Have you read the talk page? It's full of bad faith, and furthermore, one of the editors is a supporter of hezbollah, look at his userpage. Why would I assume good faith for a terrorist supporter? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 05:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:: It is unfair that I get blocked but others do not for also not assuming good faith. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 05:23, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::: It is also unfair that I can't respond to the allegations. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 05:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

::::::Yes, I read both discussions and no, it's not full of bad faith. It's full of editors on both sides of the argument repeating the same thing multiple times, while making no effort to provide reliable sourcing or seek out ], but I don't see any reason not to assume good faith. Nableezy appears to be a highly established editor in good standing and the fact that you perceive his personal viewpoints to be different from yours does not give you license to accuse him of bad motivations. The discussion is under discretionary sanctions and a higher level of decorum is expected. By accusing him of only caring about his personal bias, you have committed an ], a ], and have breached the expected standards of conduct. ] ] 05:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::: 1) Someone who has this on their page "This user supports the right of all individuals and groups to violently resist military aggression and occupation by other parties, but due to an alleged consensus he is disallowed from naming particular individuals or groups which certain administrators find to be unacceptable." is not someone Misplaced Pages should be touting as a model editor. 2) This by serialjospsych is not WP:AGF "The original research here is blatant. It's a waste of time for anyone to even respond. One editor's WP:IDHT, pushing for the acceptability of this but only if they can say Egypt is an occupier. They have multiple times been asked for a reliable source to justify it. Instead of doing so they move on continuing IDHT promoting original research. Another editor latches on to that original research. Another editor comes in with original research, ignores what they source used says and then reasons that the sources must be out of date because they don't line up with his original research. " ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 05:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
{{od2}} That is a bad comment to quote because it's entirely accurate. What I see there is an editor asking for you to provide reliable sources to support your position. That is not unreasonable, that is fundamentally how this project works, and you made absolutely no effort to substantiate your position with sources and instead repeated unsourced claims and exhibited ] behavior in repeating the same things over and over again rather than responding to the opposing viewpoints. Regardless, that has no bearing on this block. You made an explicit personal attack, apparently because you disagree with a view the editor expresses on their user page. That is unacceptable. ] ] 05:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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:: I disagree. I did bring sources. I brought Misplaced Pages articles. I brought their own logic. They didn't like it so they ignored it. So I asked again, if they claim Israel is militarily occupying Gaza by blockading Gaza, why is Egypt not doing the same? Egypt is also blockading Gaza. How is that not not the same thing? And yes, if people can't see that, then it is anti-Israel, the same UN that puts Saudi Arabia as the bastion of Human Rights but puts Israel as the most evil nation on earth. So I do have a valid claim for asking if someone is anti-Israel if after me asking them why Egypt gets special treatment that Israel does not get. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 06:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Misplaced Pages articles and "logic" are not sources. Citations to material complaint with ] are sources. ] <small>(])</small> 20:56, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
* I am writing about my block. I have provided sources, repeatedly. They keep posting that Gaza is under occupation. Yet the page they are editing is Military Occupation and it is different than a "regular" occupation. They then continue and say the reason why Israel is occupying Gaza is because Israel controls the border of Gaza. Well, Egypt does the same and I provided a link to that. When I pointed out, not too seriously that Hamas used to occupy Gaza, I provided a link to that, that Hamas was in charge of Gaza and it was not recognized by the PA, Israel or the US (among other International countries).
Furthermore, just so you know, nableezy is a supporter of Hezbollah, a terrorist organization. I doubt he should be editing this since a terrorist who endorses terror has a COI. It's certainly not IDHT to point out that if Israel is occupying Gaza due to a blockade, then Egypt is too. That, and the page is MILITARY occupation and as was repeatedly pointed out by others on the page, including debresser and fran9 there is no Israeli military presence in Gaza. I guess this is why James Madison said the Masses are asses. We have a Hezbollah terrorist telling me I'm not assuming good faith, and Misplaced Pages is banning me. That's why nobody takes Misplaced Pages seriously, and why I'm thinking of leaving.



{{unblock | reason=Please copy my appeal to WP:AE, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization as per the US, EU and most other organizations. Calling a supporter of Hezbollah a terrorist is not attacking an editor in violation of WP:AGF, it's not as if I'm just attacking, this person is a terrorist sympathizer, big difference between an edit disput and a terror dispute. This has nothing to do with my edit dispute at the MILITARY occupation of Gaza and I was ready to cool down and begin editing again after my 48 hours were up but this is unacceptable. To not be able to call a terrorist a terrorist is, have we gone so far PC that the world is upside down? In any event. I think an indefinite block is extreme, you have already caused me to no longer edit Israel related articles. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 20:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)}}


:I'm not going to defend Yossiea's behavior - it is combative and uncooperative and he seems to have no awareness that it is inappropriate. But the user in question has had a userbox on his user page since 2010 which complains that he can't have a pro-Hezbollah userbox, and regularly has used his userpage as a soapbox on related issues. I don't think he should be calling out other editors, but I'm not sure an indef block is appropriate in this case. ] <small>(])</small> 20:56, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

:Not sure if this is the right place to comment for a non-admin. I'm quite new to en wikipedia and am not familiar with all corners of it. I participated in the discussion in the List of Military Occupations. While I don't agree with some of Yossiea reactions and don't think it is helpful to call other editors terrorists supporters (no matter whether they are or not), an indefinite block seems to me a bit too strict. In support of Yossia, I would like to remark that the discussion was quite heated anyway and some comments from "the other side" were also at least on the border of personal attacks (can provide links if this helps). ] (]) 21:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
:: I appreciate that, and I would appreciate it if you would also comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:AE. Thanks! (And this is not canvassing.) ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:04, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

* I'm begging you guys please unblock me. I enjoy editing Misplaced Pages. I have been editing since 2005 I think. I have been active on and off for all that time. Do you think I want to stop? I don't want to lose this. Please unblock me. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 03:13, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::An indefinite block is not a permanent block. It's a block that last only as long as necessary to end disruption. At the AE opened on your behalf ] one person has expressed concern that you don't understand the reason that you have been indef blocked though it is obvious. They question the ultimate likelihood of you ceasing your hostilities towards people you disagree with if you deny or don't understand the reason for the block. I feel that its likely you do understand why you were blocked. So the simple question would be do you?] (]) 04:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)4
::: 1) I do understand. 2) My point was and I think you mentioned it was that a) things are heated, b) a hezbollah supporter, etc. 3) I don't think I will be as active in Israel related stuff. I can't deal with the stress. I've been here since 2005 or so, and I've been in a couple of stupid edit wars, you should check out my dealing with daniel575 and his 9 sockpuppets and how he chased away good editors. I decided a few months ago to get back into editing Misplaced Pages and decided to also get back into content editing and not just AFC/AFD which I used to do more often. But I guess I won't. And as far as Gaza, I still think you were missing the point with the difference between military and regular occupation. But it makes no difference in the real world what a list on Misplaced Pages means. I took my chill pill. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 04:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
::::Ok you understand that calling this individual a terrorist (I forget whom) was wrong. It happened due to the stress of a heated discussion. And you feel that staying out of Israel based topic areas will help insure that this doesn't happen again? This is my understanding of what you are saying but I do not wish to misquote you.] (]) 05:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
**I have proposed we redefine the AE sanction to a 10 day block and indefinite topic ban. I'm not sure if people will support that, but if they don't, I recommend you refile an AE appeal in one month. You will be more likely to be unblocked then. Regards, ] ] 05:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
*** If you're going to topic ban me then I don't understand the ten day part? Also, just out of curiosity, what would you call someone who has this on their userpage "This user supports the right of all individuals and groups to violently resist military aggression and occupation by other parties, but due to an alleged consensus he is disallowed from naming particular individuals or groups which certain administrators find to be unacceptable." and I ask this seriously. I understand I can't call someone a terrorist. But if someone had on their userpage a userbox saying they support OBL or ISIS or Boko Haram or the IRA, or half a dozen other, wouldn't that be incitement, or fighting words? In some countries, it would even be illegal to display and in the US, it might be legally considered fighting words. Just a thought.
As for the punishment, I think I learned my lesson regardless. I don't think I need a topic ban because there is such a huge assortment of articles out there that I am bound to run into it. For example, I uploaded a picture to ], and that had nothing to do with a dispute. I will be more careful in the future. I don't think sanctions are warranted, a block of two days was more than enough. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 05:44, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
: {{ping|EdJohnston|}}] please read this diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?oldid=690281384#Review_of_past_issues and this https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:User_pages#Rephrase_suggestion_to_WP:UP.23POLEMIC please. It might shed some light on current issues. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 06:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Lastly, I think sanctions are unnecessary because quite simply they're not needed. I don't have a big history of abuse that warrants such an extreme sanction as a topic ban.
: I don't know why edjohnson closed the ae request. Now I don't know if I should be mad or not.

::I hope it was not my comment that brought you such a trouble ? Either way, I would strongly suggest to unblock you because I am sure that no one has been actually offended by your comment. Here is the problem. Someone who supports Hezbollah is not necessarily a terrorist himself. This is a cultural thing. For example, ] who are basically Terrorists the Founders have been described as national heroes in the Soviet historiography and literature, and still remain national heroes for many. ] (]) 00:54, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::So, I think you should ask to remove/withdraw all your statements currently hanging on WP:AE or completely change your statements. Your first comment was indeed a comment on a contributor, and "calling a supporter of Hezbollah a terrorist" (your 2nd paragraph copy-pasted to AE) ''was'' wrong. ] (]) 19:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: I am blocked, so I can't do anything. I will do almost anything to get to posting again. Sometimes people misinterpret what I type and I am not trying to say something bad but they think I am but I'm just asking a question or something. Feel free to post or remove or ask to removethings.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::OK. So, I will remove them per your request. If you want to post something else instead, please post it here on your talk page. ] (]) 19:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::: thank you. Can you please comment on the ae? I really am sorry and don't want a topic ban.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:47, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The problem is not your editing of content, but commenting about other contributors. Can you simply never comment about other contributors ''anywhere'' except cases when someone complains about you on administrative noticeboards and you need to explain your own ''content'' edits, rather than anything else? Just to clarify, asking something like would be asking/commenting about another contributor. Of course you can look at a userbox and make your own conclusions, but you should not rise this matter anywhere to "get" him. If you do not change your behavior in this way, I would expect you to be quickly blocked again in the subject area so contentious as ARBPIA. ] (]) 21:14, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

==request==
Regardless, I don't think a topic ban is warranted in this case. At the end of the day and measuring everything, I think we can continue without additional sanctions. I didn't edit war on a sanctionable page. I think we can put this behind us.
*The discretionary sanctions apply to any pages that include this topic, period, and unquestionably apply here. It is not your place to pass judgment on the personal beliefs of other editors, period; in fact, you should not comment on other editors at all but instead focus on content. It is quite clear that you see nothing wrong with your comments and that tells me you yourself have a personal bias that you are unable and unwilling to keep out of your editing, and as such, you should be prevented from editing in this topic area at the minimum. We have ''absolutely no place'' in this contentious area of content for editors who are going to make personal attacks or judge the personal beliefs of others. Not only is a topic ban warranted, it will be the minimum sanction imposed against you at this point. As far as a 10 day block goes, this is exceedingly reasonable. You are at the community's mercy as to whether you are unblocked ''at all'' and quite frankly you are not helping your own case here. ] ] 22:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
My take on the situation here is that they are suggesting a 10 block as a cooling off period. Consider the first block, for a personal attack, and then consider the second block, for another personal attack. Consider as well your responses. It does seem as if you are trying to justify your comments. I can reasonably understand your comments but there's no justification for them. Calling a Hezbollah supporter a terrorist is out of line. Your appeal a personal attack and while discussing the appeal you make another personal attack. A cooling off period is reasonable. You've not really said much to assure that this will not happen again.] (]) 00:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:But I did it on my talk page, not on a topic page, that is what is confusing to me. I understand a block, but why a topic block? I didn't vandalize the topic pages. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup>\
::The sanctions apply to any page on Misplaced Pages that discuss the topic. ] ] 02:54, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::: I did not know that a user talk page also has that. Also, wouldn't that then mean that a user box calling for the death of Israelis should result in a topic ban?
Lastly, I've never been banned before. As you can see from my logs, I don't usually get involved in disputes so I don't know what all these terms being thrown around means.I'm sorry for insulting people and I won't do it again and I really don't want a topic ban. I think that's going too far for something I didn't know about. I beg you to let me try again, I've been here for almost ten years. Please let me continue.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: and I'm not justifying my remarks. I apologize for that. I'm now just asking what's the difference between a talk page and auserbox? Personally, I think once unblocked, I'm removing my boxes, I've had them since they were cool, in 2006, but serve no purpose. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::It's not acceptable on your talk page or anywhere on Misplaced Pages. Two factors that really made it worse, 1) is that you targeted an ideological opponent who you are in a content dispute with in a topic area under general sanctions and 2)you did so while under seeking an AE review which puts you under a microscope and brings more admin eyes your way. A topic ban, and again this is my personal take on the situation, but it depends on what issues the admins are specifically looking at. Just viewing the personal attacks alone your behavior is escalating inappropriately. Beyond that if they look further there's other things to consider. For instance in 2014 that block you received was for violating 1RR in List of Military occupations that was put in place by WP:ARBPIA. This block here, the first one was for an attack at that very article. The second seems related. Consider the IDHT behavior and the inappropriate notification in violation of canvassing policy. Again it depends specifically on what each admin views as an issue. The personal attacks are simply enough, to my understanding, because you are not recognizing the issue in that. If you don't understand what your disruption is, the general consensus is that you can't actually understand what the issue is you can't be expected or trusted to change that behavior. The behavior is considered disruptive and the goal is to stop the disruption. Since the disruption is related to the topic area, and since you have not had any issues in other topic areas, removing you from the topic area will stop the disruption. But again this is my general take on the subject. Personally they have the grounds to do it but honestly I think they should just give you the rope. I assume you will take what ever appropriate action to manage the stress that lead to this in the first place when entering this topic area in the future. You should review what the administrators have said both here and over at the AE thread and consider those statements before responding further. Right now, focus on your own behavior is what I would recommend. This is what they seem concerned with ATM to me.] (]) 03:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
: thank you. I am sorry for insulting you. It was wrong and it was the heat of the moment getting to me. Personally, I see the way you're acting now and while I disagree with a lot of your opinions, I would be honored to continue editing sticks with you. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::You haven't personally offended me. I've edited enough in ] to know this happens. When people feel strongly about something emotion can get he better of them.] (]) 20:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::: thank you. But do you think a ten day and a tban is overkill? I think ten days is more than enough, but I'm not going to fight that, but I don't think I should have a topic ban, especially since I didn't even know you can get one from your talk page. Can you please let ae know all I wrote today, from my talk page? Thanks. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 20:41, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: and then, just to ask, is a Hezbollah user box allowed? Or is it allowed by a user doing edits in the sanctionable area? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 20:47, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::One has no bearing on the other. As per the box, as I understand and if nothing has changed then there's nothing wrong with that specific box, other boxes have been barred. But you are basically considering that inherent bias to be a COI. There's bias everywhere. Consider an American writing Russian history. English speaking Israeli citizens writing articles on the Palestinian conflict. Pro-life people writing articles about abortion. There's bias there but we don't consider it a COI that would prevent them from writing neutrally. You have to consider the external role or relationship when considering a COI. ] (]) 21:14, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
: so then why would a comment on my talk page result in atban? If you read the discretion notice above, it also says only pages about Israel. My edit on my talk page should not result in a topic ban. Especially since I had absolutely no idea that my talk page falls under discretionary sanctions. , not a bias buy a sanction violation.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::They indef blocked you because you called someone else a terrorist. They could have blocked you with discretionary sanctions or with out. Though to mention, The Admin that changed it to indefinite didn't seem to do so on the basis of discretionary sanctions. Honestly, You really need to stop trying to wikilawyer this. It doesn't help you. They have caught you violating policy. They watched it escalate further. They want to know that you understand what you did wrong. They want to know that you are going to take action in the future to see that it doesn't happen again. They are going to take what ever action necessary to prevent your disruption.] (]) 22:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::: I'm not trying to wikilawyer, if they do a ten day sanction I'll be fine with that, my point is that I should not also get a topic ban. They want to give me ten days and a topic ban.that to me makes no sense, based on what I wrote.again, I'm not trying to argue, but how am I supposed to know that my talk page is subject to discretionary sanctions? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 22:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::::"The area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted." But regardless, you do understand even if you ignore the discretionary sanctions calling someone a terrorist like you did is always inappropriate. Whether or not you you knew that discretionary sanctions were in play you should have known that was inappropriate. They are going for the topic ban because it seems necessary because of your escalating behavior. You have to convince them that it's not. what can you do to alleviate their concerns?] (]) 22:35, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::::: the only thing I can say is that this cooling, de escalated. In the future, I will hope to go back to my usual method of think twice post once. Like you said, this was an abberation. And like you and others, elsewhere, have said, tbans are punishments that in this case is not necessary needed. Worst case, why not give me a chance? Hasn't my tenure here made me deserve at least that? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 23:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::The first thing I would do is make a statement a very clears statement that shows you do in fact understand perfectly well why you got blocked, both blocks. Then I would ping Swarm. Swarm seems to be a skilled and knowledgeable Admin, they maybe be able to talk with you and both of you come up with an alternative means to help alleviate the concern that you will cause further disruption. I'm not exactly sure what can be done so no promises, but I've seen agreements develop before in cases like this.] (]) 00:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
::::::: Thanks. I hope my statement below is a good start. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 00:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

== Statement of Wrongdoing and begging for mercy ==

I want to end this back and forth. I do want to make a clear statement. Firstly, the way I think and process information, sometimes I ask questions and say things just to process, and that does not mean I am attacking or questioning, I am just trying to ask or clarify. I am not necessarily trying to wikilawyer. I have things in my head and I was always told to just process and think things through, so I'm processing my thoughts onto "paper."

'''That being said, I do realize I was wrong both times for attacking.''' If I may just make a statement with the second attack, (not necessarily to justify) I did not know that I can't do that on a talk page. I thought a talk page was a private space where I can vent and then delete when I needed. It's my own venting ground. Certainly not subject to the Israel Sanction pages. Had I known that I would not have done so. Once I found out about the 1RR a while back, I knew that certain areas didn't use the normal 3RR. I already apologized to Serialjoepsycho.
I have been editing wikipedia for over 10 years and was involved in very few edit disputes, with the most notable one was dealing with Daniel575 and his 9 sockpuppets and his admin friend who was covering for him. During that time, I followed all the rules and acted as a model wiki editor.

This time I lost my cool because it was in the heat of the moment and the stress got to me.
'''I apologize for that.''' It was unbecoming of me and unbecoming of someone who has been here for over ten years.
That being said, I ask not to be topic banned. Being away from Misplaced Pages for over 48 hours has allowed me to cool off. I realize my error and I will not do that again. I did not know my talk page is subject to discretionary sanctions and I also did not know my talk page is subject to similar rules that can't be flexible since it's a user talk page. (Perhaps it's my fault that I'm not that involved, but I'm usually a behind the scenes editor and don't get involved in police or disputes, but I sometimes try to get more involved in front end stuff as time allows.)

In addition, and this is just a personal request, perhaps similar to a request for mercy, I have family in Israel. They walk around today with implements ready to defend themselves with. My second cousin was ] so when I saw on a userpage that someone supported Hezbollah, and this was while I was blocked and this was while this guy was editing against my opinion of the facts, my emotions got the better of me.
I have already passed the 48 hour block. I don't know what sanction you will place on me for the second attack, but I beg of you to please take everything into account. I will work with you. I already said I will think twice, submit once, should I edit in the Israel arena. Allow me the opportunity to prove myself once again to be the editor I have been for the past ten years.

If anything in this has offended anybody, please know that it is not how it was written. Please ping me and I will clarify whatever it is you wish. Ask away. I will do all I can to prove to you that I have it in me. I would not want to be missing a good part of Misplaced Pages for editing.
As per the advice of ], I am pinging {{ping|Swarm|}}]
] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 00:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:Swarm I suggested that he ping you. I explained in my view y'all are discussing the topic ban as an insurance measure to end his disruption due to his escalating behavior. I suggested that he discuss this with you as there may perhaps be a way to alleviate concerns of future disruption without need for a topic ban. That's the reason for the ping.] (]) 01:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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January 2025 Backlog Drive | New pages patrol
  • On 1 January 2025, a one-month backlog drive for new pages patrol will begin in hopes of addressing the growing backlog.
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