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== Sources without Dates or Identifiers ==
== Franzisca Schanzkowska's nationality. ==


Hi, I've noticed several sources without any identifying years, DOIs, ISBNs, etc. to aid in finding the original sources or mirrors of them. Would anyone still watching this page be able to help in updating the source list to match the standards? Cheers, ] in ] of ] 00:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Franzisca Schanzkowska was not a Polish factory worker, she was a German farm girl from Hygendorf in Pomerania. See the new book "Almost Anastasia" where Felix Schanzkowsky's daughter Waltraud clearly states that "we were German, not Polish". ] (]) 18:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
:I don't see any. If you mean the ], the full reference is in the ] section. ] (]) 10:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::"D'oh" moment, gotten too used to single reference sections, and having pages and so forth integrated into Reference sections instead of having them as a secondary section. Sorry, ] in ] of ] 05:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
::Just an additional note, there seem to be a bit of a mix of Footnoting, and Referencing, happening in the "Notes" section. Looking at notes 4, 8, 10 for example, with actual references being cited (including books, and websites). Just seems a bit off having them mixed with the specific page numberings especially under a "Notes" section. Sorry if I seem a bit disruptive, but I'm happy to have a look into perhaps finding a better referencing system to fix this if that would help, while keeping the specific page numbering kept. Cheers, ] in ] of ] 05:31, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


== Is the DNA statement correct? ==
:Suggest you check back on the history section of this article. At least four references state she was Polish. ] (]) 23:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


Article says, "Instead, Anderson's mitochondrial DNA '''matched''' that of Karl Maucher, a great-nephew of Franziska Schanzkowska. Most scientists, historians and journalists who have discussed the case accept that Anderson and Schanzkowska were the same person."
:No need to check anywhere. She was born in Pomerania which was a part of Prussia. From her written Anmeldung from 1919, her nationality is clearly stated as Preussen (Prussia). She had a German passport. ] (]) 19:03, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
:Did the editor mean to say that the mitochondrial DNA of Anderson is '''exactly the same''' as that of Karl Maucher? If so, what is the relationship or range of relationship implied? Does it imply lineal descent on one side? Or they both had the same grandmother, or what? (] (]) 01:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC))
::The problem is how to balance one source that says Waltraud was German against four that say Schanzkowska was Polish, including Anderson's own autobiography. ] (]) 19:18, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, it is correct. People with the same maternal ancestry have matching mitochondrial DNA. Because Maucher's maternal grandmother and Schanzkowska were sisters, they have the same mitochondrial DNA. Schanzowska's mother is Maucher's maternal great-grandmother. ] (]) 07:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::When one is born in Germany, one is German! There is no and, if or but about that. See the German version of Misplaced Pages. They got it right.] (]) 01:02, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
::::I am not convinced that ] is German. The article says she was born in the German Empire, spoke German and lived in Germany to a great extent. This seems to adequately cover the German aspect. I looked at the German wikipedia; it looks no different to the coverage here. ] (]) 08:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
:What does John McEnroe have to do with Anna Anderson? The German Misplaced Pages states that she was a farmgirl from Pomerania in West Prussia. Not a word about Polish, and why should there be? The woman was born in PRUSSIA, which makes her German. Nothing else. That snobbery labeled her a Polish factory worker, is another thing. She was a German girl from the province of Pomerania who worked as a waitress, a farm laborer, a maid and a factory employee. In short, she was a German girl from the working class. NOT a Polish factory worker.] (]) 19:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, I've noticed several sources without any identifying years, DOIs, ISBNs, etc. to aid in finding the original sources or mirrors of them. Would anyone still watching this page be able to help in updating the source list to match the standards? Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 00:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any. If you mean the short citations, the full reference is in the References section. DrKay (talk) 10:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
"D'oh" moment, gotten too used to single reference sections, and having pages and so forth integrated into Reference sections instead of having them as a secondary section. Sorry, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 05:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Just an additional note, there seem to be a bit of a mix of Footnoting, and Referencing, happening in the "Notes" section. Looking at notes 4, 8, 10 for example, with actual references being cited (including books, and websites). Just seems a bit off having them mixed with the specific page numberings especially under a "Notes" section. Sorry if I seem a bit disruptive, but I'm happy to have a look into perhaps finding a better referencing system to fix this if that would help, while keeping the specific page numbering kept. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 05:31, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Is the DNA statement correct?

Article says, "Instead, Anderson's mitochondrial DNA matched that of Karl Maucher, a great-nephew of Franziska Schanzkowska. Most scientists, historians and journalists who have discussed the case accept that Anderson and Schanzkowska were the same person."

Did the editor mean to say that the mitochondrial DNA of Anderson is exactly the same as that of Karl Maucher? If so, what is the relationship or range of relationship implied? Does it imply lineal descent on one side? Or they both had the same grandmother, or what? (PeacePeace (talk) 01:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC))
Yes, it is correct. People with the same maternal ancestry have matching mitochondrial DNA. Because Maucher's maternal grandmother and Schanzkowska were sisters, they have the same mitochondrial DNA. Schanzowska's mother is Maucher's maternal great-grandmother. DrKay (talk) 07:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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