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	== Great work on the Abramoff stuff ==
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	Whew. A lot of great stuff there. I've done a first pass at breaking out Abramoff articles:
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	But there's so much more info in the Refactor entry... ] 07:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

			== GA reassessment of ] ==
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			I am posting this as you have made a substantial number of edits to the above. I have conducted a reassessment as part of the ]. I have found a large number of concerns with the article which you can see at ]. I have de-listed the article. This decision may be challenged at ] or the article may be improved and re-nominated at ]. Thanks. ] (]) 19:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
	Good to see that you didn't take too long of break. If you check his , you will see that ] finally got himself a block. Maybe you will have an easier time working on the Abramoff articles now. Good luck! --] 18:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

	==Abramoff's Religion==
	I don't know if removing both Jewish activist references was fair, certainly you could argue doing it in the first sentence might be overstating it, but it is a relevant characteristic of Abramoff due, because it denotes one of Jack Abramoff Political motives, as explained by Abramoff himself. Abramoff stated that he felt that some of his work in the promotion of Israel and the Jewish religion justified many of his actions. Isn't this important to mention if it helps tell Abramoff's story in a balanced manner.--] 04:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
	:That's an extremely controversial topic in this article, with strong feelings from people on both sides. However, please provide a cite for this: "Abramoff stated that he felt that some of his work in the promotion of Israel and the Jewish religion justified many of his actions." I have done a lot of research on Abramoff and I have not read that. '']''
	::Roger that, I'll see if I can get an exact quote it is mentioned by one of the two lead reporters who broke the Abramoff story, you can see him explaining this motive of Abramoff, the reporter claims comes from his own interviews with Abramoff, which the reporter states in the CSPAN video for this show: , I'm going to see if I can get an article with quotes mentioning what that reporter talked about.
	::The columnist name is ] of ], he has written and interviewed Abramoff probably more than anyone else. Now I got to find that needle--] 15:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
	::: Found it " ''I have spent years giving away virtually everything I made,'' he said. ''Frankly, I didn't need to have a kosher delicatessen. That was money I could have bought a yacht with. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle. I felt that the resources coming into my hands were the consequence of God putting them there.'' ", this establishes his Jewish motivation, he was a deeply religious man. I'm going to find a couple more quotes to lay this contraversy to rest.
	:::::Good research on sources - just watch out. I got personally attacked by others just for trying to be a referee in the argument, and I'm not interested in seeing it explode again. I'm still trying to fully understand Jack's psyche and motivations for my own benefit, I'd be interested in knowing more as his behavior toward the tribes and some others was almost ] in his lack of empathy, and in some cases ], but he still (as you say) maintains some belief in a moral basis for his actions. '']''
	:::::I concur, I've definitely got to make sure I can get a couple more quotes to solidify the argument, before I enter the fray, sounds like some people are going to get banned over this. I also agree that there are a million sides to Abramoff which is one of the reasons he's such a interesting subject matter.--] 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
	::::::I disagree with the conclusion. Yes, he may have compartmentalized himself, and in some areas of his life he was religious, but his talk about God, etc., with regard to his scandals seems (obvious to me) to be post-hoc justification and/or spin to put his actions in a more favorable light. In fact, a more recent quote from him was this: "God sent me 1,000 hints that he didn't want me to keep doing what I was doing. But I didn't listen, so he set off a nuclear bomb." (See http://www.time.com/time/verbatim/20060130/5.html). No -- his motivation in the lobbying scandals were to make money, be a power player, see the success of the GOP agenda, and so forth. ] 13:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

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	Thank you for reverting the antisemtic/anti-Israel material.
	-Brad
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			== ] ==
	:Notice how criticizing any aspect of Israel becomes antisemtic and "Jew-hatred"? Notice, too, how you fan this bias by doing the grunt work for those who will, apparently, accept no discussion of Israel in the article even though ''Newsweek, The Hill, Bloomberg'' and probably other legitimate media sources thought this was one noteworthy aspect of the story. But we know why they reported it, don't we? Because they're Jew haters, of course. Needless to say, I don't appreciate your revert because of this manufactured "controversy." You slashed-and-burned the section to appease the Israel-firsters and you couldn't even bother to get the title of the ''Newsweek'' article right.--] 08:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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	::I totally agree that pro-Israel groups are completely out of control, they essentially want to censor history from allowing any information that might cast a negative light on Israel from getting out. This is an insult to objectivity and it should not be tolerated.
	--] 17:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
	:::I think they (and others) have every right to state their case as long as they do so ]ly and without being disruptive. (which the anonymous IP contributors have been a little better at lately). '']'' 05:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

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	== Abramoff E-mails ==
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	At ] you wrote, "They are the documents at described as 'Exhibits released to the public as part of the Oversight Hearing on Lobbying Practices'." ...

	I wrote, "Kwh, thanks for the link but there are six large PDF files there and I don't have a fast Internet connection. Would you please narrow it down to the particular file(s)?"--] 08:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

	I was going through some of those emails for my ] article, great find BTW. I was wondering should some of those be uploaded to the wikimedia, in case Senate Committee decides to take them down, or is it not wikimedia not a place for PDF files. Thanks for you time, --] 02:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

	== Change Back ==
	We find this "older" version to be more accurate and that you added the strange "Octagon" stuff as a way to please some of the AntiJewish, ANTI - "Israel-firsters" (We're really cracking up at that one as we thought that we had heard it all).....
	Anyway what balance is it striking, its just plain weird. And not even proven. The FBI didn't speak with this "friend" maybe abramoff made it up or contrived it somehow. This isn't WONKETTE its an Encyclopedia. Its really not relevant and marginal at the very least.

	-Brad
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	:This is a primary source, direct from Abramoff's emails, made public in the Senate Indian Affairs investigation. I would imagine that the FBI has spoken to this individual, though it's not public record. There are numerous emails from 2001 and 2002. Abramoff made contact with a Russian Oil and Gas company in October 2001, who gave him a quote on a Russian military thermal imager. He forwarded the information to 'octagon1' and asked for an opinion on what sort of 'objective' should be purchased on the imager.
	:When they found out the Russian company would take 6 months to deliver, 'octagon1' replied:
	::"I will fax you a letter stating that I am purchasing this equipment for the IDF, and at the same time get a signed letter from the commander of Paratroop brigade 890 to' who this may concern' Mr Shmuel Ben Zvi Is purchasing this thermal device for us.... And we can go both to RAYTHEON and FLIR (near boston) who sells the better MILCAMEXP. Then we just need "end user" clearence from the State Department."
	:I could tell you where to find the emails, but maybe you should do a little of your own research. '']'' 04:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

	* Sounds like he and his friend were doing all of this legally.

	This is interesting and I downloaded the Senates Indian affairs material and read some of it myself, but it is non conclusive. Without the FBI's stamp of approvel we do not know if any of this ever came to fruition. All we know if that Jack spoke of it with a friend.

	We made some changes in the article. It is of no concern to an Encyclopedia what a "reporter" wrote. We need governmental agencies to determine the facts for us. Or to concur with a reporters investigation. Thats not the case here. This is conjecture. So we should just stick to the facts. What the FBI suspects is OK, what the Senate reported is OK. But not Newsweek or Time. OH, Its ok if your writing for a Newspaper or magazine.Just not for an Encyclopedia.

	-Brad

	== Israel Sniper School ==

	Hey with your permission I was going to mention that the sniper school was in Israel, I won't make a big deal about it or anything, just a word or two. Don't you think it's a pretty important piece of information for a reader to know, it is unreasonable for a national to censor anything about their country. I think Brad might be chilled out now, to let it go. --] 21:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

	== Catch me up, please! ==

	Hey there -- I was away on vacation (and unconnected to the 'net) for 1-1/2 weeks. I need to get caught up. Did you do a full replace of the Abramoff article with your Refacted version? I want to make additions/edits/etc., in the correct place. Thanks! ] 13:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

	:Thanks for your reply on my page, I replied there instead of here, since there is where you left the comment. (Should I have replied here?). In any event, I look forward to your response -- ] 16:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

	== Thanks for cleanup ==

	Thanks for cleaning up the vandal dropping on my talk page. I seem to be doing good at upsetting people this morning. :) --] 13:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


	==NetVision IPs==
	Yup I guess your right, the only way to really track him down would be to get query the ip, but no cares that much.--] 21:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

	==The History of Abramoff==

	Fantastic work, finding the initial article. The amazing thing, that I don't think the public is aware of, is that Abramoff was actually under a lot of scrutiny for a long time there were a lot of people who had a good idea of what he was up to. But they didn't drop the hammer, until the situation got to out of control.--] 04:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


	== I edited your comment ==

	I don't think that WP:AGF is ever thrown out the window, but I know what you mean. I've struggled with this too. As long as this individual responds respectfully and rationally, then we should do the same. If they become disrespectful, we should either ignore or remove the disrespect, and refocus the discussion on the actual issue at hand (the content of the article). Dwelling on past actions only keeps us from moving onward and past this issue. '']'' 20:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

	::Word, I'm not a hater I'm a.., yeah, I usually skip out on flame wars. I don't think there will be many more problems in the future since there are so many admins watching the page anyway. Perhaps the dude will chill out, and find some evidence to support his view point.--] 20:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

	== Jack Abramoff Edits ==

	Kwh wrote:
	''Your comment betrays the fact that your own intention in editing is to criticize Israel, not inform the reader about Jack Abramoff. And I find it laughably ironic that, in trying to keep the article focused on the subject matter at hand, I'm accused of anti-semitism and pro-semitism appeasement simultaneously. Guess I'm doing something right.''

	My intent was not to criticize Israel but to document and tell an important part of the Abramoff story--where some of his ill-gotten funds went and why they went there. That is legitimate information for the article even if some people don't like it. By the way, I never said or insinuated that you are engaging in "pro-semitism." I have no idea what you motives are but judging by your talk entries my guess is that philo-Semitism is not one of them or at least not the main one.

	As for your conclusion, "Guess I'm doing something right." This is fallacious reasoning on your part. The name of the fallacy you have fallen victim to is the golden mean fallacy or fallacy of moderation.--] 07:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

	:Replied at ]. '']'' 18:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

	:::Replied at ].--] 11:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

	I noticed there is a "Category: Articles lacking sources" at the bottom of ]. I find that kind of weird. First off, it's on the Talk page, not the main article. Secondly, there are plenty of sources on the main article. I would have removed it, but I am a fairly new wikipedian, and don't know the rules/etiquette surrounding that category. Please advise? ] 13:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

	As to your most recent edit of the pic -- WADR (and I mean that becuase I've enjoyed working with you) -- I'm not sure what the point of it was. In particular, "Abramoff cut an imposing figure in a dark black trenchcoat and matching hat." seems POV. -- ] 15:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

	== Whoo hey Wiki drama (SpinnWebe AfD) ==

	Wow, thanks for the research, KWH...though really, now that he's gotten his ] I don't think all that was necessary. But I think even the main DFC article cinches it because it says "SpinnWebe...uses Keane's cartoons".

	I didn't even remember I was in the Washington Post for the Nipple Server. Huh. Did you LexisNexis this, or something? --] 04:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

	KWH, I like your point about Misplaced Pages being weak on web history. There are a lot of sites (like Mirsky's) that have virtually sunk into a black hole now. I guess the Misplaced Pages way of dealing with this is to start a Wikiproject? If there was something to urge the history-gathering process on a bit, I'd sure be glad to help. ] 21:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Why did you add a speedy deletion template back to ]? There is currently a huge discussion of the notability of the article at ], that also explains why {{tl\|db-repost}} is not applicable. It's only got one more day before that AfD is closed, so unless you're anxious, maybe you can let consensus run its course. '']'' 00:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
	:Articles that have been previously deleted by consensus may be eligible for speedy deletion under CSD:G4. Since this is disputed, I have no problem leaving it to AFD. ] 00:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
	::Thank you. I would point out that the article was not substantially the same per CSD:G4, since sources were added which show notability per ]. '']'' 02:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
	:::Unfortunately as I'm not an admin, I could not determine that. ] 09:31, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
	::::I understand. Thank you. '']'' 12:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

	== RFC conversation ==

	I have responded on my talk page. - ] 03:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Hey thanks with that image. I think it preety clear by now that the user does not understand fair use, and is more intrested in just deleting the files. If you would not mind, i might need your help with several other images. --] \| ] 04:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

	== Jack Abramoff image ==

	Now ''that'' is an appropriate use of fair use. Good work! - ] 06:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
	:Does Crown Copyright apply in the U.S.? I know nothing of this issue. - ] 11:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
	::Sounds complex. My take is that we need to define Crown Copyright better, however it's probably best to treat it as a non-free license and use fair use ''as per normal'' to cover ourselves. This means fair use rationales, use the sparingly, etc. - ] 22:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
	:::You realise, of course, that what you are asking me for is how a U.S. court will apply the laws of different countries in the U.S.? The question is: does the U.S. recognise ], given that the U.S. is not part of the Commonwealth. After all, the content is currently being stored in Florida, and yet the license being used is a law that does not immediately apply in the U.S.. I don't believe we even deal with this in ] :-) Interestingly, however, our article ] ''does'' cover this very topic... However, is there case law that applies to Crown Copyright? Is there are treaty between England and the U.S. that covers intellectual property rights? I would imagine there is. If there is, and it covers Crown Copyright, then we could say that "This images is licensed (bad word, I know) under crown copyright, which is recognised under U.S. law." Have you considered asking ] or ]? - ] 04:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
	::::Actually, the question you ask is ''not'' easy to answer. You must take into account extra-terratoriality, treaties and conflicts of law. And IANAL. - ] 21:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

	== COTW ==

	Hey, can you please consider voting at ] for the History of the World Wide Web article. Thanks! — Wackymacs

	== Controversy on Rumsfeld Controversy ==

	Thanks for stepping in on the Donald Rumsfeld page, though I'm not sure how much it will help. It seems that this guy just has an axe to grind about Rummy and doesn't understand the idea of a reference article. Him not having a registered User ID doesn't make working with him easy, either. Anyway, thanks. ] 15:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
	:I took your advice and went to the Cabal; http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-17_Donald_Rumsfeld#Request_Information We'll see where it goes from there... ] 15:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
	::I made a mistake and removed the Rumsfeld issue from arbitration. Now I'm thinking of putting it back. But can they really help with this? Can this guy be reasoned with at all? ] 15:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

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	See my reply to you, on my talk page. ] 21:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

	See 2nd reply, my talk. ] 08:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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	Thank you so much for that, I really appreciate your effort, don't know how you did it so fast. Cheers! ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 18:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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	== TWS ==

	Not really sure what you want me to contribute. She has a moral/belief system that is incompatible with the rules of wikipedia. In my phone conversation she made it clear that she believed it's ok to make a personal attack in response to a personal attack against her. When she was blocked for doing that she felt the admin who blocked her was in the wrong. She will never be a happy contributor. ---] (]\|]) 15:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

	== More scandals ==

	A few independant thoughts:

	* I asked ] if he would join me in attempting to write an article on the potential scandal between Congressman Lewis, the lobby firm started by Lowery, etc. We started with just a data collection dump into a temp area, at ], and from that have started to make an article at ]. As I was writing this morning, I noticed that ] had created an entry for him, so I just alerted him to the project. This seems similar to the project you did with ], so, I wanted to alert you to this project, too. We were thinking of "going public" on Friday.

	* If you're not interested in yet a whole other huge scandal (in terms of "players", etc., it rivals Abramoff in scope, imho), there is still one Abramoff story that has not yet been written about much here -- and that is the Marianas Islands. If you're interested in that, I'd like to help/be involved/etc.

	* Yet another huge scandal is the Ohio Workers fund. ] is apparently only '''part''' of the story, that is enveloping a huge part of the Ohio Republican leadership. (I have some ideas at ]).

	-- ] 15:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

	says that "Roger Stillwell, the desk officer for the Mariana Islands at the U.S. Department of the Interior who dealt closely with disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, is expected to plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of false certification, his attorney confirmed Wednesday." I think the time has come for a Marianas Islands article. I've left a similar note to ]) -- ] 19:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

	:You wrote: ''Thanks for the heads up, I have been somewhat busy with things off-wiki but will try to get up to speed on these matters. I've also been interested in creating maps (know any articles that need a map?)''

	::I'm going to start with a "data dump" at ]. FYI: this evening I am going on vacation for a week and will have no access on-line until next Wednesday. -- ] 13:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

	== Abramoff "Scandal" vs "Controvery" ==

	Please see to change the name. -- ] 13:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

	==Comments==
	Your latest post to the What Really Happened AfD said what I've been trying to allude to over several posts much more succintly. Good show.--] 18:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

	:Hmmm, I was just going to drop you a note complimenting your excellent work on that page, but Isotope beat me to it. I'm glad that you were willing to take the time and explain that ''an encyclopedia has standards''. You said it well :) --] 05:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


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	== your opinion, please ==

	I'd appreciate your opinion on matters in the Discussion of article "Dissident Voice". Thank you. ] 16:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


	==Pic==
	Bro, i dont get why you removed those logos. If your problem is that they are JPG, its not valid since they '''are''' saved in JPG as the original format: nothing is lost and nothing would be gained by having them made non-jpg.--] 22:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Hmm... im starting to see your point. Hm.... "reasonably familiar". Its tricky. Im sure its not "reasonably familiar ", but rather, "reasonably familiar ", right? --] 22:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

	==First image on web==
	Thanks for the note. I'm not a techie guy, so I defer to your clearly much better knowledge about the technology. I get the sense from reading the Cernette picture website that the claim being made is simply about photographs, and that the "first image on the web" line was more something written by the press reporting it or paraphrasing "first picture". "First Image" is a more sweeping suggestion than "first photo" or even "first picture" (I think its a bit illogical that TBL would choose the first image to be a scanned colour photo (rather something simple like an already computerized CERN logo). Obviously, please free to modify my statement to better reflect the technical history in the context of what TBL is stating on his page (which I was taking literally, without any context knowledge of my own) ] 07:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

	== 3arabworld.jpg ==

	Hello,
	you have sent me a message that you had to remove the image "3arabworld.jpg", i need an image of the Arab world and i want it to be used in the template please, can you some how help me with that plz?
	] 12:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

	Thank you for the map you have made..
	]
	but this map wasnt exactly what i want,please will you make a map of the Arab world that include "Israel",Western Sahara, Eritria and the coast of iran¹ and exclude comors i want all Arab countries to be given green colors.

	¹ http://www.al-ahwaz.com/AhwazHistory/documents/images_doc/ahwaz_arab_map.jpg

	My best wishes
	] 20:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

	== Ahmadinejad pic ==

	]

	Hello,

	What is the copyright status of this picture? <font style="color:#22AA00;">''']'''</font><font style="color:#888888;"><sup>]</sup></font> 07:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

	:The picture appears to be created and copyrighted by the Iranian Student News Agency and Hamed Noori. Although a US court would theoretically not uphold a copyright suit, ] has indicated that we should respect the foreign copyright nonetheless (). I would say that it should be used according to standard ], with the {{tl\|fairusein}} tag and appropriate ]. It's respectful to the rights of the author, and it's what would be expected if Iran had a democratic revolution tomorrow and joined the free world. '']'' 14:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

	Thanks, <font style="color:#22AA00;">''']'''</font><font style="color:#888888;"><sup>]</sup></font> 14:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


	*I have updated ].--] 17:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

	== Question about locator dots on maps ==

	Hi - Have you noticed the question I posted at ]? I'd really like to hear from some of the map "regulars" about this. And if you have any ideas for other ways I might solicit responses, please let me know. Thanks. -- ] <small>(])</small> 03:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

	==Cyrus images==
	Hello, those two images were not licensed, the websites which i added in the summary has granted all images from their website to be used as long as their webadress is mentioned in the summary, same goes for iranchamber.com. So my guess was GDFL, however i do not know why you say they are copyrighted. --'''] ]''' 06:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

	I am sorry if i acted against policy, but you should correct many other pictures from those websites i mentioned. I uploaded the images after seeing the very same summaries on other images frmo those sites. If a website says the you can use the images as longas you mention our name in the summayr what license would that be? and what would i have to include in the article besides the adress? --'''] ]''' 07:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

	I see, OK thank you for your help. --'''] ]''' 07:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

	I had uploaded two more images besides those you put no license tag on. I have now put no license tag on them as well, and again sorry for my errors. --'''] ]''' 02:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

	==Re:Cyrus the Great==
	I just wanted to thank you for your input on the discussion, KWH. You really made a difference. Once again, thanks. ] ] 13:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
	SG, i wouldn't joy too soon if i were you :). --'''] ]''' 02:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

	== Deletion of images ==

	] was my previous account. I have stopped using it and made this account. Regarding your suggestion of deletion of all my uploaded pictures. Perhaps one or two images was not properly sourced, then you decided that the rest of them were too? I have about 2000 pictures in my HD. I take alot of pictures, but also have downloaded many from web. Like i mentioned before all the ones i put selfmade tag on were my own, however there is a chance that one or two of them were not mine and got replaced by webuploaded images. The picture of Homa which you found another copy of in the web is probably not mine then, i have about 20 pictures of Homa in my HD. But the rest are mine with 90% certainty. --'''] ]''' 03:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
	:I do not doubt what you say. Please note that I tried to consider each instance with an unprejudiced mind; for those which could not possibly be GFDL-self or GFDL-no-disclaimers, I removed the tag and used {{tl\|nld}} and/or {{tl\|nsd}}. I used this method, which allows one week for someone to correct the information, as opposed to more aggressive means like ].
	:Images which could possibly potentially be your picture (like ], ], or ]) I have left alone, for the time being. Many of the other photos have the tell-tale appearance of being scanned from a book (rather than a digital photo or being scanned from a photo print). Those which I tagged with {{tl\|ifd}} I have a good reason to believe are not your photos. I also used {{tl\|imagevio}} only in cases where I am certain it is not your photo.
	:I would say if you want to assert that specific images were taken by you, please respond to them at ].
	:Also, I understand and believe that you have your images "mixed up" with others on your hard drive, but you have to understand that when you upload an image as GFDL-self, you are basically donating something to Misplaced Pages and the millions who use it or will use it, so if you're not 100% sure it's yours, then you are donating something which belongs to someone else, as surely as if you had walked into their house and started renting their belongings out. I think you would agree that is not right, yes? '']'' 08:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Just letting you know that the ] is in fact a copyvio website. I won't tag it, for fear that Spahbod will simply remove my notice, so I'll let you do it. Honestly, I don't see why there is such huge variation in the quality of photos if he indeed took them. ] ] 15:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

	First of all SG, you cant read persian so i wonder how you could come to the conclusion that mine is the copvio of theirs and that they have not downloaded from wikipedia. Regarding variations of my photos lol, what you think is irrelevant. So why don't you keep your suspicions and thoughts for yourself and let us handle this. Thank you, --'''] ]''' 18:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Ah, really? According to the file information on the IRNA website, it was created on '''Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 1:30:34 AM'''. The image on Misplaced Pages was uploaded '''03:41, 29 April 2006'''. Are you suggesting the IRNA has a time machine? And don't jump to conclusions about my knowledge of Persian based on the lack of a Babel box on my userpage. ] ] 18:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

	::Ah, really? So what if the file was created earlier than i uploaded mine, i have used my pics in many forums. However like i said to KwH some of the pics i uploaded except the ones below could be from the web, so SG i appreaciate you go taking so much of your own time searching the web to find a copy of the picture so we know that it may have been someone else's. Good work, --'''] ]''' 18:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::Don't worry, it only took about a minute to do a . If you really did use it on other forums, at least one hit would have come up on there. The only other use of the image is a stretched out version on to fit a 4:3 screen.
	:::Really, you didn't have to be so evasive; it would have taken less than a minute of your time to say "I did not take this photograph, it is from and doesn't belong to me." ] ] 19:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::Lol, don' worry? took only one minute? evasive? Accusing me of lying? I have adviced you to behave civil before, i now do it again. Its very simple, behave civil or be blocked, which do you prefer. Like i said to KwH some pictures i uploaded could have been from the web. I guess i could have searched the web myself before uploading them. But whether it took you one minute or 50, i appreciate you taking your time to find the ones that are not mine, the task would have been made by KwH sooner or later, you did him a favor :). --'''] ]''' 19:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

	KwH, i have scanned this pictures from real pictures that i took, and not digital ones, so i know these are mine 100%:
	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	* ] (talk \| delete)
	Uploaded by Darkred (notify). ditto KWH 09:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

	Thank you, --'''] ]''' 18:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
	::My suggestion is to state your case at the IFD page. Even though I may have no reason to doubt your claim, it is the Misplaced Pages community which will have to decide. You might provide as much information as possible to buttress your claim - the date on which you took the picture, for instance. '']'' 05:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	== nice work with the shock and awe sandbox page ==

	Looks like I got banned as ED_MD. I have little to understand the reason why. Maybe I can keep clean and avoid problems with a new profile. ] 08:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks... While I don't know the details of the ban either, and won't presume to judge one way or the other, I would say that you might have been a little intemperate with Striver recently. Although I think it's true that you were somewhat provoked, it weakens your case on the article if anyone looking in from the outside thinks that you are the one losing your cool. I think that you had all the right arguments about content and policy, but they succeeded in making you look like the "angry one".
	:Just keep cool and pretend we're all discussing this over tea. If you start to get angry, step away from the keyboard and do whatever it takes to get it off your mind, and then return to it with a fresh mind. I've done it myself where I have written several paragraphs, thought about it, and then closed the browser window without saving the edit. Then, I come back later and write one sentence which is far more effective. Be well, '']'' 09:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

	== one of them ==

	If you're at all curious, is the one I've begun on. Feel free to contribute if you'd like. It's nowhere near ready for actual review, but I think it has an extremely fair base as I've started to set it up, that would prevent abuse outright, and make it fair for those nominated, with a pretty massive timeframe/window for review in each case. ] (]) 19:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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