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==2019 demonstrations==
== Requested move 14 February 2015 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''Not moved'''. {{rmnac}} &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 13:05, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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] → {{no redirect|2014–15 Hong Kong protests}} – I noticed edit by ] at ], and was wondering if it really makes sense to treat the 2015 protest as a separate thing. Since they are part of the same overall civil conflict should this article not be moved to ] and extended to cover more recent events? I note that the claim the protests ended on 15 December 2014 is not cited in the infobox. In the body of the article, we find that {{tq|"On 15 December, police cleared protesters and their camps at Causeway Bay with essentially no resistance, bringing the protests to an end"}}, which offers two citations, but the one I can view (the BBC one) doesn't say that the protests were brought to an end, merely that CY Leung claimed that they had been. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 12:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC) — Quick amendment: just noticed the ] discussion above. Hopefully this can serve as a more thorough discussion. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 12:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – These protests ended in 2014. There was a definitive end point. The new protests are clearly a new round. This article is too long, anyway. ] — ] 15:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
**If the civil conflict has continued into 2015 then I think it should be included in this article, rather than treating the two things as separate just because they happen to fall on two sides of New Year's Day. Otherwise we have no page describing the civil conflict as such, since ] seems to be about a political configuration rather than a series of events. I'm not too invested either way, though, and I certainly take your point regarding the length of the article. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 16:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - There are significant differences between the protests from organization, to reason, and even scale. ] ] 10:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not significant to be included as per ]. ] (]) 19:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - The nature of the protests in 2015 are entirely different. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 04:55, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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== "Thugs?" ==

"Despite numerous incidents of intimidation and violence by triads and thugs, particularly in Mong Kok, and several attempts at clearance by the police, suffragists held their ground for over two months."

"Thugs" is a pretty loaded word. Could it be changed to something less politicized and one-sided, maybe "vigilante," "assailant," or "government forces?"

] (]) 01:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
* A bit like "]", is the word so often used in these cases, even by serious sources. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 07:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
::You, are an idiot. I remember that you were banned and that I helped ban you. ] (]) 09:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

== Article still too long? ==

Ever since the protests ended months ago, I have started to recognize the difference between article's length and the topic's importance. So far, elections and politics are far more important than some protest by masses. Even with subpages, like ], I think more condensation is needed. The "October 2014" section is still too long to me. There might be still unimportant details. --] (]) 18:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

== Help with a draft article ==


:Should there not be a reference to the current mass demonstrations in Hong Kong on this page?
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you would be willing to help work on a draft at AfC, ]. When I'd come across the draft it'd only had a handful of sources and covered about 2 protests, both of which had a pretty low attendance in contrast to what was expected. I was (and still am) worried that if I'd accepted it to the mainspace it'd likely be merged into this article or the one for the ]. There's been a third protest that's been better attended, but I'm still somewhat worried that it'd just get nominated for AfD or be merge/redirected, which would make it harder for it to be accepted later on. Anyone willing to help flesh out the article and add more sources? I do think that as the year progresses there will be more coverage and it'll warrant more coverage later on, but I'm just worried that it might be considered to be too soon since in its current state this article could probably be summed up in a paragraph here. I'm going to post this at the main article for the UM as well to get more people to come in, if there are any that check that talk page and not this one. I'll probably post this at the Hong Kong WikiProject as well. ]] 03:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
:--] (]) 21:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
::This is a good suggestion, but I think most relevant editors are too busy with that right now. ] (]) 02:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


== About what are the protests? == == Pre-screening of candidates? ==


Reading the article, protests are more likely about fighting against reforms on Hong Kong elections. Or about what are the protests? --] (]) 04:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC) You mean an ] system. ] (]) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Edit Guide

Main pages: Talk:2014 Hong Kong protests and Talk:Occupy Central with Love and Peace

There are two pages related to the current (since 27 September) protest in Hong Kong, namely 2014 Hong Kong protests and Occupy Central with Love and Peace, causing some confusion as to where should a piece of information be added. Further to an earlier merge discussion, I hope this guide could allow a centralised discussion for editors of these pages.

Here are my thoughts:
Occupy Central with Love and Peace should contain information about:

  • the non-violent idea and movement, and
  • the advocacy group ("Occupy Central with Love" and Peace and the "OCLP Trio"), and
  • the preparation by the group

It should include the materials spanning from January 2013 to late September 2014, concluding with the announcement of the early launch occupation and the protests.

2014 Hong Kong protests (not led by the Trio although named "Occupy Central" by many media) should contain information about:

  • Sit-in protests immediately after the student strike
  • Annoucement of launch of "Occupy Central"
  • Suppression by the police
  • Sponanteous occupation of Admiralty, Causeway Bay and Mongkok

For example, the "International reaction" section of Occupy Central with Love and Peace should be taken off and moved to 2014 Hong Kong protests, since the international communities were responding the protest itself instead of the preparation.

Please share your thoughts here so that we can improve both articles.--Jabo-er (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

agreed. Lasersharp (talk) 17:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

"Suppression by the police"? Right on que - talk about Protesting by Numbers? For such over-reaction is what stage-managed revolts need to undermine the powers-that-be. "Occupy Central with love and Peace"? Stand by MSM stories of state-led outrages against 'freedom-loving' protesters. So far, unlike Syria, the Color Revolt is going to plan.

84.13.14.146 (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

2019 demonstrations

Should there not be a reference to the current mass demonstrations in Hong Kong on this page?
--2019OutlaweD (talk) 21:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
This is a good suggestion, but I think most relevant editors are too busy with that right now. Yny501 (talk) 02:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Pre-screening of candidates?

You mean an electoral college system. CaribDigita (talk) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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