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Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.
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Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
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], standing beside a collection of Maori carvings, including two fire-screens, carved by her father Albert Percy Godber]]
==WP Board of Trustees==
I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:If Godber is not ], which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. ] (]) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::] is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? ] (]) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dunno, but ] wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. ] (]) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::And this a request to revisit his finding. We have a photographer from more than 100 years ago who documented areas of New Zealand's North Island. We have his work in a National Library collection. We have his work discussed as iconic for one of his Maori related photographs. We have his work revisited in a 2018 exhibition. We have descriptions of him related to his photographs, his career, and we have the photos themselves documenting the areas industries, sites, infrastructure from more than 100 years ago. If I was satisfied with the previous conclusions I would not be here. So I ask again, should we have an entry on this subject? Should we just attribute his photos where we use them to an unlinked name with no explanation or discussion of who he was? I think the answer is clear, and I wanted to hear Jimbo's opinion. I am aware of what was previously stated. Years have passed and I believe it's time to reevaluate and consider. I also think it's worth reflecting on our article creations processes more generally and how we apply our conception of "notability". ] (]) 23:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*Godber's photographs include "views of the ] including large numbers of cars traveling to ], and the ]. Another group of images relate to a holiday at the ] Homestead in ] with scenes of farm life, including ], ] sheep, and farm buildings. During their stay in the South Island Godber also took photographs of Dunedin (including the ], ], ], the ], and the Hillside Railway Workshops); ] (including the Invercargill Railway Workshops); Stewart Island, ], ], ], ] and ]. Various railway stations in Canterbury and Otago, the ], and the Rosslyn Mills. Godber was a volunteer fireman with the Petone Fire Brigade with the album including views of the building, groups of firemen, fire engines and other fire fighting equipment, and a building in Petone damaged by fire. In his work with New Zealand Railways, mainly at the Petone Railway Workshops, he took interior photographs of various buildings, including the Machine Shop and finishing benches, the engine room, lathes, boilers, and fitting shops. He also took photographs of many of the steam engines that were built and worked on at the workshops. One scene shows a group of men watching a fight. Many images show his interest in logging railways, particularly in the ], ], ] area. Scenes of logging camps, various methods of transporting logs including bullock teams, logging trains, and dams created and then tripped to send logs down by river, and timber mills. Other topics covered in Godber's photographs are scenes at Maori ] and meeting houses, with some of the people identified; Maori carving and rafter designs; beekeeping, and gold mining." ] (]) 23:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*It's hard to choose which photos to share. Historic views areas, industries, bridges, natural features, railways and bridges, crafts. to his photos on Misplaced Pages Commons. Many already illustrate our entries on various subjects. ] (]) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


== Just wanted to say ==
Just noticed that Article IV, Section 3 of Misplaced Pages Foundation Inc.'s bylaws do permit payment for expenses to trustees by resolution of the Board. So the statement that they must always pay for their own travel etc. is somewhat misleading. Best regards. ] 00:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you. <br>It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the <s>cabal of editors</s> <b>thriving community</b> that is Misplaced Pages.
Who said that board members must pay for their own travel?--] 18:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


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:], under Rules for candidates --] 18:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


For the interested. ] (]) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
== Happy Birthday! :D ==


:Summary: {{tq|This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies.}} –] <small>(])</small> 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey Jimbo! {{Happy Birthday}} Hehe i got the 1st spot :D it's the 7th here in Australia btw ;) Have a good one man, here's to 40 more! --]|]|<font color="green">]</font>|<small>]</small> 04:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


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Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? ] 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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Have a good one :) -] 09:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


== ==
It said make a birthday wish for Jimbo. I wish that at each April Fools day, wikipedia and uncyclopedia switch domains just for that one day. Oh and Brian Peppers comes back that day, too, but is protected and has one link: to a YTMND search for Brian Peppers. ] 10:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


That doesn't sound good. From '']''. ] (]) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Best wishes from Germany! -- ] 10:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


:Being discussed at ]. ] (]) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
== Stephen Colbert ==
::Thanks! ] (]) 11:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::Also discussed at ] and ]. ] (]) 19:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


Jimbo, could I ask you please to respond to from {{u|Tryptofish}}?
What is your opinion of the ] vandalism? Do you think Mr. Colbert meant in good humor or just distaste? Thank you.--] 03:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:... it's not just if you've edited about Israel-Palestine. It could be if you've edited anything about climate and fossil fuels, gender, immigration, vaccines, and of course, American politics. I doubt that they have the bandwidth to actually identify and harass every editor who could possibly be seen as editing information that goes against a MAGA POV, but they will likely find some easily identified targets, whom they will use to "set an example", as a way of instilling fear in our editing community. I fully expect that, in the coming months, {{u|Jimbo Wales}} will be hauled before a hostile and performative Congressional hearing, much in the manner of university presidents. I hope very much that he will be better prepared than ] was.
:Yeah, I know this is grim. But I believe the first step in dealing with this is to go into it with our eyes open, to know what we are dealing with, what motivates it. And, more than harming individual editors, the real objective of Heritage ''et al.'' is to instill fear in the rest of us. If we become too fearful to revert POV edits, they win. In a very real sense, we have to keep doing what we have been doing, and continue to be a reliable resource for NPOV information. --] (]) 18:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
] (]) 05:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)


:Well, I fully agree that developments in terms of arguments and actions aimed at destroying trust in knowledge (and of course our specific interest, trust in Misplaced Pages) are extremely worrisome, particularly as I agree that for many who are doing it, the motive does appears to be the undermining of civic norms and democracy. I also agree with Tryptofish in a part that you didn't quote: "In a narrow sense, it's technically true that if you "out" yourself, there's no point in anyone else doing it. But once your identity is known, you become vulnerable to all of the kinds of real-life harassment that doxed people find themselves subjected to. It doesn't matter, in that regard, how they found out your identity." That's a sad balancing act that no Wikipedian should have to face.
== New messages on wfm ==
:As a side note, I don't think that the reliability of the Heritage Foundation as a source is particularly related to these despicable actions. Whether they should be considered a reliable source in some matters is really unrelated to whether they hate us or not.--] (]) 14:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, please? :) ] 10:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Robert Steele ==

There is a thread on ] about some recent comments of Steele - . Since he seems to have talked to you about it at least in part, I thought it prudent to let know. ] 12:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== I have had a tough day wikipediaing ==

and having to mess with my pictures - scanning, photoshoping out dust, etc - was the final straw. So, i've decided to ask you to help me get a digital back for my hasselblad so that I can once again afford to use that system. Life is good. ] 02:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== ] and a serious abuse of power. (you need to read this) ==

''Jimbo, I've just posted this on AN/I, but I've watched as similar information has been quickly deleted by the subject recently, and don't suspect she'll do the same on your talk page, so I post it here as well to be sure you're made aware. Thanks and take care.''

I am an active Wikipedian in good standing. Consistent with the letter and spirit of ], this account was created today for the sole purpose of making the present complaint and obviously has not, nor will it ever, interface with my main account. Sockpuppet? Yes. Abusive? No.

That I feel it is necessary to do this anonymously at all is indicative of what I see as the root of this very complaint: an administrator who has come to regard herself as exempt from the policies that maintain fairness and order here, and who has lately demonstrated a certain eagerness to exercise her power in unethical ways.

=== Basics ===
] appears to have abused her position for the benefit of one editor and the detriment of another, violating her ethical responsibilities to this community in the process.

I've learned that many editors know about this situation generally, since it was first described some weeks ago on another website. Instead of linking to that site, I'll summarize what I've gleaned from forum banter and my own email exchange with the the editor involved, inviting those more familiar with the specifics to follow up and fill in the gaps.

=== Details ===
Recently ] claimed he had evidence of abusive sockpuppetry on the part of ].

At one point he uploaded a graphic of some sort which he intended to use as a “visual aid” when making his “case” (he clearly had no idea what the hell he was doing).

After uploading the image but before he could do whatever he was going to do next, IPFrehley was blocked by SlimVirgin and the image deleted (but not until after she apparently let Mantanmoreland have a copy, since he does refer to it on some thread I can't find now).

Based on comments IPFrehley made in another setting, it seems that prior to this, he reached out to a few admins, explaining what he wanted to do and asking for advice. He said the only ones he specifically remembers were ] and ] but thinks there were three or four total requests made. None of them replied to his email, though at least one forwarded it to either SlimVirgin or Mantanmoreland, which is how she managed to intercept and block IPFrehley so quickly when he finally decided to do it by himself (she must have been waiting for it to happen).

When it did, SlimVirgin took advantage of IPFrehley's obvious lack of familiarity with ], because she told him to send his evidence to her via email so she could judge it privately and offline.

=== Here's where it gets interesting ===
IPFrehley says he didn't believe SlimVirgin was really interested in the evidence he was sending, so he did something a little diabolical: in the document he emailed SlimVirgin, he hid something that would alert him when it was opened (I don't get that tech stuff so don't ask me more about it), to know if it even got looked at. He says that yes it was opened, not by SlimVirgin but by '''Mantanmoreland''' -- ''''the same person his evidence accused'''!!!!! ( where he explains how he knew that).

Looking over their contribution histories it's easy to see that Mantanmoreland and SlimVirgin often work in tandem. But that's no excuse for secretly passing him information sent to her in confidence and with the promise that it would be reviewed and judged appropriately.

IPFrehley says he later emailed SlimVirgin asking if there was another explanation (other than what seemed obvious...that she was sending the information to Mantanmoreland) but she refused to answer, except for apparently announcing somewhere that IPFrehley was sending her threats.

I've yet to verify that, but is sounds pretty typical of a pattern that's emerged over time.

I suspect SlimVirgin will argue that because IPFrehley has since been indef banned and even spawned some socks of his own since this episode that his claims should be disregarded.

I would respond by noting that when all this happened, IPFrehley had yet to be banned. Also, IPFrehley openly admits to creating multiple socks specifically attempting to bring this situation to the community, which he apparently tried to do more than once though record of it is gone because he was summary banned and reverted and all diffs permanently deleted from the history.

In my time as a wikipedian, I've grown to respect SlimVirgin's dedication but feel increasing concern over her fading sense of impartiality and even propriety. If what IPFrehley says is true, it represents a grave deception, violation of trust, abuse of power, and act of inexcusable cronyism on the part of SlimVirgin. I'm requesting that her administrative powers be suspended while evidence related to this and other alleged abuses be presented and reviewed by a panel other than the Arbitration Committee, which I do not feel can be impartial in this case. --] 06:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:], including . ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 06:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==I'm New Here, But Dismayed At What I See==
Hi, you probably will never read this, but what i've seen at

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is unfortunate.

It seems that the rules on Misplaced Pages are made by strongarm tactics rather than by any process. ] 06:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Help with edit summaries ==

You mentioned at Wikimania that you had problems always remembering to use an edit summary, and then I brought up that there was actually an option in the interface to force edit summary usage, but you hadn't run across it. So here's how to turn it on. Go into your preferences, click the ''Editing'' tab, and check ''Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary''. Hopefully within a month or two you'll have good enough edit summary usage to pass an Rfa :-P ] 17:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Awesome!!!--] 18:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

: I'm sure Jimbo already knew this. ] 19:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::I'm curious as to why you would assume that? There are a team of skilled developers making this software - Jimbo can't know about every feature. It looks to me like Cyde had a good suggestion and Jimbo appreciated it. ]\<sup>]</sup> 23:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:::It was a totally serious comment by Cyde. Among top wikipedians it is well known that I am a clueless editor. :) --] 00:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Hey, I have something in common with Jimbo Wales...Sweet!--]] 00:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==Attack article==

Hi Mr. Wales! Does this article belong on Misplaced Pages?] 18:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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:'''Barbara Schwarz''', ''née'' '''Bretschneider''', is an ] <ref name="slctrib">{{cite news|last=Smith|first=Christopher|url=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/barbara_schwarz.html|title=S.L. Woman's Quest Strains Public Records System|publisher=The Salt Lake Tribune|date=]}}</ref> from ] living in ], ]. She is known for filing a record number of requests under the ], for filing a large number of ]s, and for posting a large number of articles to ] newsgroups.
::A quick review of this article shows that it is ] and there are sufficient sources to provide evidence of notability, and the article has survived two discussions of whether it should be deleted - which means that the community has reached concensus that the article should be included in the encyclopedia. --<font color="#06C">]</font> 03:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::The "community" that likes this article seem to be the individuals who are ] her, I would guess because they think she posts too much to their Usenet group.] 05:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Please see my edits to that article. --<font color="#06C">]</font> 05:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. The article is much improved in tone. I have excused myself from editing it any more since I am too emotionally involved.] 14:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

While randomly searching around Wiktionary, I stumbled onto . Aperently, the user used a sock puppet to vandalise the Main Page with the edit summary "going out with a bang". However, when going through both he and the suspected sock puppet's contributions, I used Crtl-F to search for the word "bang", and even going as far as 2,000 edits back, nothing came up. Maybe I just don't understand what was going on (in which case, please explain it for me), but this isn't making sense to me. ''(If you aren't the right person to ask about this to, could you please tell me who that would be? Thanks.)''--]] 06:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:He deleted the page with the edit summary going out with a bang, not edited it. The deletion would not show up in the history, but in the deletion history. Here is a link http://en.wiktionary.org/search/?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Wiktionary%3AMain+Page. <font color="DarkGreen">]</font><sup>]</sup> 23:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Disenchanted due to high-level admin actions ==

Not knowing where else to turn to on this, I post here.

Summary: I believe that actions of a high-level admin (]) violate not only the rules as set forth in policy, but the spirit of them. Further, followup questioning on these actions has shown me a profoundly disfunctional class system between editors and admins and I believe this is a problem that must be solved.

Links of import on this topic:
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What it basically comes down to for me:
* Admins, while understanding their busy-ness, need to be required to participate in processes and policy involved in questioning their actions.
* The rules on "excessive personal insults" need to be spelled out more clearly to avoid disingenuous and over-reaching actions by admins claiming that they were insulted.
* Methods used to solve such issues need to be clearly identified as "has teeth" or "has no teeth", so that editors don't waste voluminous amounts of time going through pointless steps to attempt to reach a solution, only to find that the attempted resolution doesn't mean anything and can't propel the system to improvement.

I do feel like I'm 'fighting city hall' here, as the little guy. My involvements with some admins have been overwhelmingly positive, but my involvements here seem like there is a very broken class system between editors and admins and it's extremely disheartening. I hope you don't take this as just some editor complaining about a single poorly-handled block, because it's more than that. The system appears to be broken there doesn't seem to be a way for people on the broken side (regular editors) to fix it.

Regards,

--<span style="background: #CCEECC;">]</span>-<span style="background: #CCCCEE;">]</span>-<span style="background: #EECCEE;">]</span> 23:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think it's personal attacks, not insults. A tip here is not say they did something wrong or made the wrong choice because they will claim it is a personal attack. ] 04:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hope you see how horribly bad that is. --<span style="background: #CCEECC;">]</span>-<span style="background: #CCCCEE;">]</span>-<span style="background: #EECCEE;">]</span> 16:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

This user has claimed that you wanted him to be unblocked but were having technical problems doing so, and has asked for other admins to do it. If that's the case I'd be glad to unblock for you... but the story sounds a bit implausible, frankly. ]]<sup>]</sup> 00:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
:See .--]] 00:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== An Injustice Done ==

Why did you have to go and ban CapnCrack. All he did was try his best, you can't hold that against him. And then to go and ban another 190 people just because they were his friends is just spiteful. Talk about rubbing salt into a wound. The Capn was down there in the trenches with all of us, working for the common good of Misplaced Pages. ] 06:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==SwedishConqueror==
"Hi"

It says that you made this, so I was wondering if you could help me. I'd like to know just a few things:

#How do you make things go all black when you do the title of an article?
#How do you make the different section headlines go all black?
#How do you make certain words turn blue, and how do you know which ones to do this to?

Thanks

] 16:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)SwedishConqueror] 16:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

#Three single quote marks on both sides of the title
#Two equal signs on both sides of the subsection title
#Two brackets on both sides of the name of an article that already exists in wikipedia

] 17:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Please Block ==

] because I messed up on the name and I changed it so that it is how I like it. Happy BirthDay... <small>I think thats right.<small>

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== POV maps ==

] Hi Jimbo! Following up on the discussion we had earlier on POV maps. The featured map in question is which potrays the modern borders as ''claimed'' by PRC. A disclaimer on the image page claims:
:<small>The international boundary shown is the border claimed by the People's Republic of China. Compare the territories of the historical Han dynasty and the territories over which the modern Chinese state claims sovereignty.</small>
This is unfortunately a POV as it does not make a distinction between:
# the area claimed by China, administered by India (]), and
#] (claimed by India, administered by China.

The image talk page has a discussion about Pov and so too when I had put it up for removal ], which shockingly editors found it to be a very minor issue.
]
I'd also like you to compare it with the Indian version alongside where we've addressed all PoV claims.

Request for some comments on the issue (and on the image talk page) as the concerns of POV maps are not taken care of seriously in Misplaced Pages. Regards, ] ] 12:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== I'm Felix ==

Hi Jimmy, I'm ]. It's nice to meet you. ] 19:16, 12 August 2006

== Very troublesome member ==

yes, this case has gotten so bad, that I have come to YOU for help with this guy. There is a user who goes by the name of ]. he first started stirring up controversy when he created the List of successful automobiles. The article was in massive violation of ] and got quickly deleted. This led to lots of attacks from him. Please note that he has already been editing aircraft related articles for a while by this point, and has made a long list of enemies who edited the corosponding articles. He has since caused many flame wars and has made enimies of every member of ]. He starts numerous flame wars, attacks everybody (and I mean everybody) who doesn't agree with him or endorse his edits, and has violated moe Misplaced Pages guidelines than I can count. he also attacks me and ] because of our young ages (even though we make rational edits to Misplaced Pages and both are respected editors, heck I have two barnstars!) and claims that we are "wreckless vandals" because we revert most of his edits, as they are either POV, or they do not belong in the article or compromise the integrity of. We have tried going through the Misplaced Pages system with him, as there is a RfC for him, and there have been numerous Mediations to him (In fact, one mediater said that he refuses to do mediation cases with wairthurhu because of his behavior), but they have not even made him think twice about his actions. He is basically an emotionless machine if there is anyway to describe him. he treats Misplaced Pages like it is a giant battlefield, and he can't seem to make a single edit without getting in a battle with someone. In the Wp automobiles talk page, he makes numerous comments attacking editers, and tries to make him look like a saint and us satan, even though it is basically the other way around. he has even gotten me so mad with his countless attacks that he has gotten me to violate ] when responding him some times, which is something I just about never do. I have since overcome that though, as I know yelling at him is getting him nowhere. But, he has defantly crossed the line now, because he HAS MADE HIMSELF A WIKICOP, and is issuing citations to everybody he dislikes. (I know that nobody in their right mind would give him such privlages due to his disasterous edit history) and used the ] article to pubically attack Misplaced Pages. This has gotten him blocked for a week. That is why I come to you, as since he is blocked, we can have a rational discussion without him interupting. (Many editors have to resort to Email to talk about what do do about his actions, as he will often abruptly interupt, attack us, and replace our comments with <nowiki>{{RPA}}</nowiki> tags, even it we didn't attack him. As one Admin summed it up "It will continue until Wiarthurhu ends up blocked indefantly or faced with the abritation comittee" and thats the 100% truth. he is acting like he is a holy warrier, waging war with Misplaced Pages, and nothing but an indefinate block can stop him. I would really appreciate your help with this situation. You can even look at his edit history, which is filled with nothing but personal attacks and flaming. ] 00:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
:Wiarthurhu has already been blocked for a week, and should his pattern of editing completely that length may be increased or he may be brought to ]. I don't think speaking with Jimbo is necessary for this. :) <font color="DarkGreen">]</font><sup>]</sup> 01:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

==hello==

just wanted to say awesome thing youve got going here, it's a huge help to me and please keep it going, thank you and happy b-day :)

== Icon ads spam making it like Misplaced Pages promotes commercial sites ==

Regularly, ads icons are inserted in front of external links, that make it look like Misplaced Pages treats them special, promoting or endorsing those sites. This gets worse now with the templates used for external links to IMDb, MusicBrainz, etc.

* ]
* ] keeps popping up right and left.

We really could use a specific, explicit point of policy against this (and a direct ] or ] or something), that could be immediately cited in the edit summary for removing or reverting this spam without long discussions with each "new user" doing the spamming for those sites. We could also mention it in bold as a NoInclude warning in the related templates, so as to remove plausible denial to future offenders.

-- ] 23:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wikibooks book donations, questions ==

Hello, this is ], and I just wanted to drop you a quick note concerning en.wikibooks. I am currently working on 3 separate deals for the donations of e-books to the wikibooks project. Under the terms of these deals, the books would be completely released under the GFDL with no reservations, although some nominal mention of "Original Authors" may persist. Some users on wikibooks have mentioned that wikibooks is about the "creation" of new books, and not the consolidation of old books. However, many books on wikibooks, especially those in the core subjects, are lacking, and the donation of books in these core topics would help to boost our weaknesses in these areas. Currently, I am entertaining proposals to donate books from:
*http://www.apdip.net/elibrary
*http://www.motionmountain.net
*http://apps.nitle.org/bin/view/Gametheory/WebHome
The first project listed is a UN project that maintains a number of ebooks that discuss topics of primary interest to developing coutnries. Partnering with that group would (in my opinion) be of some benefit to our project.
I wanted to simply alert you of these projects, and ask if there are any issues/concerns/questions that i should be made aware with, before we settle, and transfer material to the wikibooks server. Please let me know on my ]. Thanks. --] 02:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== New York, 14 November 2006 ==

I see that you have a trip planned to New York on that date . Is this for a conference or meetup? I'd love to attend one of those here someday. ] 03:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Proposal for a SF meetup ==

There has never in the annals of Misplaced Pages been a meetup in the geekiest region of the world. I'm shocked too.

I see you are in town this week. I would like to arrange a meetup. Will you kindly grace us with your company?

If so, what is a good time?

| 05:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

on Friday, about campaigns.wikia.com. Exact time and place not yet settled...--] 19:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== SWGEmu Article ==

Recently, an article on the was deleted for not being notable. I have made my arguments (and, as I regret, insults) in the ] article, but that is irrelevent.

Being as you are the ''Chief Tamale'' (I honestly have no better word or series of words), if you say that you do not believe that an article on the SWGEmu in it's current form is appropriate for the Misplaced Pages, then I will rest my case and let it rest. <font size="1" face="Verdana">] -- ]</font> 07:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Trip to Delhi ==

Hello Jimbo. I saw that link (Local Meetup Schedule) and noticed that you are coming to Delhi on the 24th. From what I understood - does that mean that you will agree to a Delhi meetup if 5 people sign up? Actually there has been a long discussion on the Notice board for India-related topics. Can you clarify ]? Thanks for taking the time. - ] (] - ]) 19:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Admin recall ==

Hi Jimmy, sorry to bother you, but you have spoken on this issue previously on the Misplaced Pages mail list. If you have time, would you be willing to review the policy proposal at ]? I would not even bring this to your attention, but I was that any such policy would be overturned if approved at the Foundation level, as certain admins are too important to the project. Thank you for your time. ] (]) 22:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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    Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder!

    Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

    Albert Percy Godber

    Albert Percy Godber at his brass finishing lathe in the Petone railway workshops. A sign before him reads: `This is my busy day'
    "Looking down over a settlement with houses set amongst trees. The arm of a lake or harbour lies beyond, with a mountainous range on the far side. Photograph taken by Albert Percy Godber. Probably taken at Queenstown, Godber having visited Lake Wakatipu and Queenstown in 1926"

    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    "Phyllis Mary Godber wearing a Maori cloak, holding a taiaha, standing beside a collection of Maori carvings, including two fire-screens, carved by her father Albert Percy Godber

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    If Godber is not WP:NOTABLE, which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. Polygnotus (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
    user:Polygnotus is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? FloridaArmy (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    I dunno, but User:Sulfurboy wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. Polygnotus (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    "Godber family outside their house 'Railway Whare' at 23 Bay Street, Petone, circa 1906. From left to right: Albert Percy Godber, Mary Ann Godber, Laura Godber, Phyllis and William. Photograph taken by Albert Percy Godber"
    And this a request to revisit his finding. We have a photographer from more than 100 years ago who documented areas of New Zealand's North Island. We have his work in a National Library collection. We have his work discussed as iconic for one of his Maori related photographs. We have his work revisited in a 2018 exhibition. We have descriptions of him related to his photographs, his career, and we have the photos themselves documenting the areas industries, sites, infrastructure from more than 100 years ago. If I was satisfied with the previous conclusions I would not be here. So I ask again, should we have an entry on this subject? Should we just attribute his photos where we use them to an unlinked name with no explanation or discussion of who he was? I think the answer is clear, and I wanted to hear Jimbo's opinion. I am aware of what was previously stated. Years have passed and I believe it's time to reevaluate and consider. I also think it's worth reflecting on our article creations processes more generally and how we apply our conception of "notability". FloridaArmy (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Godber's photographs include "views of the Hutt Valley including large numbers of cars traveling to Trentham Racecourse, and the Hutt River. Another group of images relate to a holiday at the Mendip Hills Homestead in Canterbury, New Zealand with scenes of farm life, including haymaking, merino sheep, and farm buildings. During their stay in the South Island Godber also took photographs of Dunedin (including the Ross Reservoir, Otago Boys' High School, Seacliff Mental Hospital, the 1926 Dunedin Exhibition, and the Hillside Railway Workshops); Invercargill (including the Invercargill Railway Workshops); Stewart Island, Moeraki, Tuatapere, Waiau River, Oamaru and Port Chalmers. Various railway stations in Canterbury and Otago, the Burnside Iron Mills, and the Rosslyn Mills. Godber was a volunteer fireman with the Petone Fire Brigade with the album including views of the building, groups of firemen, fire engines and other fire fighting equipment, and a building in Petone damaged by fire. In his work with New Zealand Railways, mainly at the Petone Railway Workshops, he took interior photographs of various buildings, including the Machine Shop and finishing benches, the engine room, lathes, boilers, and fitting shops. He also took photographs of many of the steam engines that were built and worked on at the workshops. One scene shows a group of men watching a fight. Many images show his interest in logging railways, particularly in the Piha, Karekare, Anawhata area. Scenes of logging camps, various methods of transporting logs including bullock teams, logging trains, and dams created and then tripped to send logs down by river, and timber mills. Other topics covered in Godber's photographs are scenes at Maori marae and meeting houses, with some of the people identified; Maori carving and rafter designs; beekeeping, and gold mining." FloridaArmy (talk) 23:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    • It's hard to choose which photos to share. Historic views areas, industries, bridges, natural features, railways and bridges, crafts. Here's a link to his photos on Misplaced Pages Commons. Many already illustrate our entries on various subjects. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

    Just wanted to say

    You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you.
    It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the cabal of editors thriving community that is Misplaced Pages. I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Requests for comment/Severe Problems in hewiki

    For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Summary: This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Happy new year

    Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? -Lemonaka 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    Scoop: Heritage Foundation plans to ‘identify and target’ Misplaced Pages editors

    That doesn't sound good. From The Forward. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Being discussed at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Heritage Foundation intending to "identify and target" editors. CMD (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    Also discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_5/Evidence#Edit_request and Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Heritage_Foundation_planning_to_dox_Wikipedia_editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Jimbo, could I ask you please to respond to these concerns from Tryptofish?

    ... it's not just if you've edited about Israel-Palestine. It could be if you've edited anything about climate and fossil fuels, gender, immigration, vaccines, and of course, American politics. I doubt that they have the bandwidth to actually identify and harass every editor who could possibly be seen as editing information that goes against a MAGA POV, but they will likely find some easily identified targets, whom they will use to "set an example", as a way of instilling fear in our editing community. I fully expect that, in the coming months, Jimbo Wales will be hauled before a hostile and performative Congressional hearing, much in the manner of university presidents. I hope very much that he will be better prepared than Claudine Gay was.
    Yeah, I know this is grim. But I believe the first step in dealing with this is to go into it with our eyes open, to know what we are dealing with, what motivates it. And, more than harming individual editors, the real objective of Heritage et al. is to instill fear in the rest of us. If we become too fearful to revert POV edits, they win. In a very real sense, we have to keep doing what we have been doing, and continue to be a reliable resource for NPOV information. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

    Sita Bose (talk) 05:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

    Well, I fully agree that developments in terms of arguments and actions aimed at destroying trust in knowledge (and of course our specific interest, trust in Misplaced Pages) are extremely worrisome, particularly as I agree that for many who are doing it, the motive does appears to be the undermining of civic norms and democracy. I also agree with Tryptofish in a part that you didn't quote: "In a narrow sense, it's technically true that if you "out" yourself, there's no point in anyone else doing it. But once your identity is known, you become vulnerable to all of the kinds of real-life harassment that doxed people find themselves subjected to. It doesn't matter, in that regard, how they found out your identity." That's a sad balancing act that no Wikipedian should have to face.
    As a side note, I don't think that the reliability of the Heritage Foundation as a source is particularly related to these despicable actions. Whether they should be considered a reliable source in some matters is really unrelated to whether they hate us or not.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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