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==Usability and discoverability== | |||
I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ). | |||
It's a bit weird we visibly link to ], but the only link to ] (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like ] that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. ] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== The Article of the Day should be changed at midnight == | |||
:Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. ] (]) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Why is the Article of the Day changed at around 4:00PM? Shouldn't it be changed at midnight? I sometimes click out of the internet for a while at around 3:00PM, and at 4:00PM, it is changed. | |||
*Hi!! The article is changed at midnight according to ] time, which is the official Misplaced Pages time. ] ] 21:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::''Phh...'' see the section on "Blatant UK bias" above; why don't they just make HRH the Queen our ceremonial figurehead?! Actually, I initially assumed Jimbo was English because of that. Of course, how many people out of the American South are named "Jimbo"? --] 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::This is the "Englsih encyclopeadia" i dont see it anywhere saying the "American.." hehe. <font face="Tahoma" size="1"><small>] (] | ])</small></font> 08:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::: I thought Jimbo came from Wales, so we use Wales time in Misplaced Pages. No ? (Hahaha.) -- ] 23:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:This appears to be an objection to the ], not the contents of ] itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to ] in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps ]) or at the ]. ] ] 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: Don't be silly. If we were on ] ] we would be using UTC - 12mins 44secs, not UTC. :-P -- ] | ] 02:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page. | |||
::Wouldn't changing the skin change ''all'' pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- ] (]) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
actually UTC time is not UP time because we add an hour onto our time during the summer, so the featured article changes at 1pm uk time during the summer. i dont really want BUSH as our head of wikipedia.--] 12:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. ] (]) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:That would be the joke going WAY over your head. —]<font color=green>]</font>] 14:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:or 1''am''. ] ] 15:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
Excuse me, but the discussion page isn't a chatroom. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
:What the heck is UTC time? I read Misplaced Pages's article on it, but it doesn't make sense. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
::You might know ] better by its former name, Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), (which was renamed in the 70s). ] 23:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::I don't think that this subject needs to be discussed here. Obviously the coding of the Misplaced Pages system would have to be changed on the whims of a Wikipedian wanting new articles at his midnight time. Just live with the current timing. Also (as an american) I think the UK bias is not that previlent, and that UTC time is a standard used for many websites and organizations. Besides let the brits have there time zones, we americans will be policing the world with our wealth and power... hahaha --] 21:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
Yeah, but it was 2:00PM here and they changed it. It wasn't midnight! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 23:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
== Languages section == | |||
I don't think it's been discussed here but obviously the languages on the bottom of the main page have been trimmed recently. The English names for the languages were also unfortunately trimmed. Having the English names next to each language wasn't too pretty but it was very functional. I'd like to see them return. ] 07:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:You "don't thinked" wrong. ;) It's been discussed recently at length including ], ] and ] and possibly one more place that I can't find. The resu,ting consensus (which was a bit contested) was to remove the translations as they are redundant for people who speak/read a particular language anyway, if someone wants to see the complete list they can go . The reason for the reformation was to make it look less like a jumble of text. There were those against the change entirely and those who wanted the list removed completely, either with a link to the only or with the list moved to the sidebar as per some other language versions. --] 07:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::That was a dreadful misjudgement. This is the English language Misplaced Pages. There is a great arrogance and snobbery in not talking to people in their own language: "If you are too ignorant to understand, you don't matter anyway". As the list is now intimidating and largely useless to most English speakers it would be better to remove it altogether unless it is restored. ] 20:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Unneeded Romaji Redirects == | |||
] has made some redirects to articles in Romaji form. I doubt someone would search "Burajiru" or whatever it was to get to Brazil articles. --] 08:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Not really to do with the main page, I don't see the harm in these redirects if they help people who can't remember the "english name" of something. ] and these redirects don't cost much. No harm? Any other opinions? --] 09:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::: I thought they were harmless as well. ]]<sup>(])</sup> 09:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== 100,000 article sites == | |||
While I do agree with the 25k and 50k article sites, could there still be the 100k list still including the 25k and 50k lists? ] 14:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:There isn't much reason for one; most of the Wikipedias with more than 50k articles also have more than 100k (only Russian, Finnish, Swedish and Chinese do not, and all are rapidly approaching 100k). —]<font color=green>]</font>] 19:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== On this Day entry for Berlin wall construction == | |||
Just a suggestion that maybe the boldfaced words in the blub shouldn't be West Berlin but rather Berlin Wall, as it's the anniversary of the Berlin Wall construction after all! --] 00:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Agreed. And if West Berlin is gonna be bolded, oughtn't East Berlin be bolded as well? -] 01:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Done. ] - ] 02:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:: On MainPage, the boldfaced links indicate featured wikicontent. On TFA, the link to the FA is bolded. On ITN, the link to the wikiarticle updated with the news materials is bolded. On DYK, the link to the new article is bolded. For Selected Anniversaries, the bolded link must refer to an article with the date in the text (one of several rules in editing this section on MainPage). ], ] & ] fit the bill here. However, the ] page is slated to be featured on the anniversary of the destruction of the wall. To avoid double-featuring the same article within the same year (another rule), "West Berlin" was bolded on today's template on the anniversary of the construction. "East Berlin" could have been bolded, too, but one is enough for each line. Perhaps we can alternate each year till one of them becomes a markedly better article. This year, there are only 4 events on the template (a mistake on my part), so I've bent the rules and bolded both East & West Berlin. -- ] 21:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Eight-Nation Alliance on Aug 14== | |||
Can we add the ] occupation of Beijing in 1900 for "On this Day" of Aug 14? I guess I don't have the authority to do it. Thanks. ] 04:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
*I am not still not sure yet if that article passes #7 of ]: "preferably it should be a relatively complete and well-formatted article". I would still like more references cited before putting it on the main page. ] ] 05:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:*The main article for the topic is ], which is pretty solid (though not FA ready). --] | ] 07:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:: Thanks for the suggestion. This is not on MainPage because I couldn't confirm the date. In the first paragraph, the ] article says "The brutal uprising crumbled on August 4, 1900 when 20,000 foreign troops entered the Chinese capital, Peking (Beijing)". Scroll down a bit, it says "The International force reached and occupied Beijing on August 14." I question both dates. The has August 14th as the date the Eight-Nation Alliance (minus the Germans) reaching the outskirts of Peking, taking the city gates on the 15th, and occupying most of the city on the 16th. So, was it August 4th, August 14th or August 16th ? We need references. A "safer" anniversary to feature the whole Boxer Rebellion would be the anniversary of the signing of the ]. (The date is on the .) -- ] 12:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Zhejiang Death Toll== | |||
The death toll has risen to 114 in Zhejiang, according to CTV Newsnet. ] 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Thanks for the reminder. Actually, the article on the typhoon says 214 (+2 more in the Philippines). I've changed the text on MainPage to "more than 200". Hopefully, we don't need to update the number anymore. BTW, please use ] next time you propose similar minor tweaks of MainPage contents. You may get a quicker response there. --] 12:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
==AIDS Conference== | |||
I think that the ] that started last night in Toronto, Canada, warrents inclusion in the "In The News" section. It's the largest conference on HIV/AIDS ever and this is an event that affects the whole world. ] 11:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Thanks for the suggestion. Please make use of ] if you really think this is major international news that should be on ITN. (I ain't so sure, unless they announce a new treatment and we have a wikiarticle on it.) -- ] 12:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== To Pluto or not to be, that is the planet == | |||
The planet Pluto should be featured on the wikipedia or wikinews front page, because this may be the last time you can do so. Right now there is an astronomical congress in Prague going on, with 3.000 top nerds, who get to decide whether or not Pluto should be demoted to a space pebble and cease to belong to full-glory planets. | |||
See the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4789531.stm | |||
<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 12:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
: Thanks for the suggestion. When such a decision has been made, please update relevent wikiarticles and ''then'' propose a headline for ''In The News'' at ]. Don't forget to update ]. Thanks. -- ] 12:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: I feel like crying :( <small>Ok, enough of the chatroomesque talk page...)</small>--<b><font color="orange">] ] ]</font></b> 13:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Somehow, I get the feeling that even ''after'' Pluto is properly classified as a Kuiper belt object, we'll be able to put the article on the front page. --] | ] 16:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
I know it's not the right place to propose such a thing, but wouldn't it make sense to have ] as Today's Featured Article soon? It's already Featured. I think someone should go and request it if they agree. ] | <sup>]</sup> 17:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: You may want to contact the ] for this. -- ] 19:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Prrrrffffff. They think they can tell me what to call things now? Sod that!! It screws up the mnemonics, millions of textbooks will have to be changed for the sake of one pathetic little pedantic moan. To me Pluto will always, until the end of my days, be a *planet*. Thankyou, and tune in next week for another rant on the anally-retentive and methods of bowel-washing. ] 19:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== VJ Day Not On "On this Day..." == | |||
Why in the world is VJ Day not mentioned on the main page in any way? It's quite significant for August 14th. What's the deal? ] 20:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Hang in there. ] will be on MainPage tomorrow, i.e. in about 3 hours. --] 20:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::In case any one is confused, V-J Day from the point of view of North America is the 14th, but from the point of view of people in the Pacific was the 15th. ] 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::The ] has a well-known POV bias. --] | ] 04:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Metawiki == | |||
I tried to click the metawiki icon but my IE browser couldn't open it: it suggested a download of an "unknown" filetype. Maybe an admin oughta have a look n fix it.--] | <small>]</small> 21:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: I'm not sure what the problem was. I clicked on the icon and meta's MainPage showed up on screen as expected. Perhaps someone has fixed it already. -- ] 21:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Rampant Australian Bias== | |||
An article on a South Australian bus system followed by one on Queensland's biggest pest as articles of the day? Clearly examples of Misplaced Pages's pro-Australian bias. ] 03:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:That's just because we're more literate than other countries (including New Zealand) and so end up writing better articles. ;) - ] 03:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Crazy Australians, with their July winters and backwards flowing toilets... ] 03:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::That's nothing. In ], they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people! —] 03:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::There's an old British folk song called ] ("If buttercups buzz'd after the bee // If boats were on land, churches on sea // If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows // And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse"). According to legend, the British troops at the ] (the final battle of the American revolution) played it as they surrenered. ] 04:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::Hey Raul, if you were better read you'd realise that the ] only works on the scale of weather systems and the direction that water flows in sinks and toilets is purely to do with the shape of the vessel. I was going to complain yesterday about the bias displayed regarding busways that go past my house... ;) --] 04:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::Not necessarily - ''"If one takes great care to create a flat circular pool of water with a small, smooth drain; to wait for eddies caused by filling it to die down; and to remove the drain from below (or otherwise remove it without introducing new eddies into the water) – then it is possible to observe the influence of the Coriolis effect in the direction of the resulting vortex."'' - ] ] 04:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::Narf! Touche' - Besides 'our' proper Australian Cyclones move clockwise whilst anti-cyclones move anticlockwise. You Northern Hemispherians should stop it with the anti-anti-bias and adopt proper and civilised Southern Hemispherian weather systems. --] 04:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Please report any bias errors to ]--] 03:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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::Let's not forget ] coming up in one week. It's obvious our FA director's brain has been inflatrated by the evil Aussies and their mind-control ways. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 04:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::Put your hypnotic skull koala back on and conform! --] 04:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::NEVER!!! That thing made me eat way too much Vegemite. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 04:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::To be fair - I scheduled Cynna Kydd due to Ambi's . ] 04:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::That made me wanna join the Navy. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 05:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::::OK, not one comment has been related to the initial question, excluding Clawed - this is probably BJAODN-worthy now :P. | |||
:::::::Anyways, I count 6 articles (August 4, August 9, ''August 16'', ''August 18'', ''August 19'', ''August 20'') which are directly related to America (or, at least, as related to the US as cane toads is to Australia), as opposed to Australia's three (August 14, August 15, ''August 22'') that will be featured on the front page up until August 25th. '''].]''' 08:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Just part of the Australia Cabal's evil plot. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 20:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Considering the U.S. has fourteen times as many people in it as Australia, and that we have a longer recorded history, having three TFAs this month to our six ain't too bad for you guys. ] 19:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== How can this page be vandalised == | |||
I saw a I.P. edit the main page.How can this page be edited by non-users when it's fully protected? --] 03:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:As a joke, Drini unprotected it on APril 1 2006 (it was reprotected 15 minutes later). Guanaco did the same thing later in the day, and it was reprotected 4 minutes later. ] 03:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:It wasn't always protected, either. Back in 2001 there wasn't frequent vandalism so it wasn't protected. - ] 03:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
I agree to this too... <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 10:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
== Time of main article change == | |||
Could the main article also be changed just at midnight EST? | |||
Just want to know. | |||
Thanks | |||
<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
: Misplaced Pages goes by ], not EST. Please see above ]. --] 20:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Why is the eastern United States more important than the western United States, let alone the rest of the world? — ] <sup><font color="darkred">]</font></sup> 02:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::It's server time? (Which isn't a good reason to change, of course; but merely an explanation of why EST might be regarded differently from another arbitrary timezone.) ] 15:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Personal research; unverfied data == | |||
I hope I am placing this comment in an appropriate location. In a section on the Semitone (music), I removed a reference to the Reimann Hypothesis because it is still neither proven nor disproven.(This seems to be in agreement with the basic Misplaced Pages principles.) | |||
Have you considered a new section, in which the following two areas might be presented: | |||
1) Conclusions and applications which result from yet-unproven theories (such as "super-string theory"). | |||
2) A place for the results of independent research. | |||
I believe that this could greatly enhance Misplaced Pages, making it not only the best source of reference for already-known information, but a source of fresh ideas and theories, by which human knowledge could expand in exponential proportions. Discussion pages could make this most viable, since any erroneous contributions would be weighed and challenged, and if unreasonable, quickly defeated. | |||
For example, if Einstein were to present E = <math>mc^2</math> to Misplaced Pages, it would probably be removed because it is both the result of original research, and lacking in verifiable references. In effect, Misplaced Pages would be masking viable thought and theory. | |||
Perhaps an easy way to accomplish this, allowing personal research and unverified data to enter established articles, would be to use a specific font for each of these two areas. (Another method might be to used specifically coloured fonts for reference indexing, to express the nature of a reference, e.g. Blue = verifiable; Red = yet unverified; Green = result of independent research.) Of course, another approach would be to create an "Appendix" of articles based upon unverified data, and another for "Original Research". | |||
Having personally arrived at several "original theories" in the fields of Math and Music, I think it would be wonderful to have such a highly-recognized source as Misplaced Pages in which not only to present them, but also to have them tested and challenged by others. (I am not not interested in personal recognition, or profits...simply a means of sharing the results of my research with others.) | |||
Such a move could prove highly profitable to Misplaced Pages. If Misplaced Pages automatically gains copyright on such material, it stands to generate tremendous profits. (For example, there is a $1,000,000. prize offered for the proving or disproving of the Reimann Hypothesis, not to mention the untold revenues resulting from it's practical application.) Misplaced Pages could potentially become the "owner" of virtually all new knowledge and theory. | |||
I trust you will give these ideas some consideration. ] 22:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Although it would certainly be great if we could demonstrate new theories, if we don't have verifiable sources the confusion and clutter in articles would be unmanageable. Unfortunately, there are a lot more crackpots and jokers in the world than genuine researchers and theorists, so it would be impractical. ] 23:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Please see ]. | |||
: And, to share ideas unrelated to ], please go to the ]. Thanks. -- ] 23:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Prof.rick, I'm afraid you are perhaps deliberately misunderstanding what is meant by ] and "unproven" theory. Of course Einstein couldn't just write up his theories on Misplaced Pages, but if he published them in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, they would become eligible for coverage. As a matter of fact, ]. You also misunderstand copyright as it applies to Misplaced Pages and the ]. All Misplaced Pages contributors retain copyright to their work, it is simply ''licensed'' to Misplaced Pages. If you want to share your ideas with others, many have been successful using ]s. --] | ] 23:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Just to confuse the issue, it was not always this way. Even Einstein was unused to the anonymous peer-review of American physics journals.. In fact, Einstein was used to a system where you publish first, then wait for replies. --] 04:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::That was a fascinating link. Thanks for that. ] 09:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== On this day... == | |||
Why doesn't the OTD section have a link to ]? It took me a while to find it. ] 14:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: You may want to ask the creator of ]. -- ] 16:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
:The link in OTD sends you to ] which is a content space article, there's a link at the top of this talk page that sends you to ] since this is a 'housekeeping side' article. Same with all the other sections on the main page - they have their housekeeping links on this talk page. --] 17:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Russian Misplaced Pages (www.wikipedia.org)== | |||
As of today, the Russian version of Misplaced Pages has 100,000+ articles. That should be observed at the main . ] 17:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
: We don't have a 100,000+ section on our MainPage. www.wikipedia.org is not part of ]. You may want to bring this up with 'Meta-Wiki'. --] 17:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
Discussion for this is at ]. — <small>]] • 2006-08-16 19:18</small> | |||
It also may be worth mentioning that the language editions around the logo on www.wikipedia.org are the top eight in number of articles, not a list of Wikipedias with 100,000+ articles. To get there, the Russian Misplaced Pages would need to knock the lowest-count off (Spanish, at 142,000 articles). ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>• 19:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)</small> | |||
:Top 10 actually. :-) ] <sup>]</sup> 20:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Casus Belli Change == | |||
On top of what we already have for the casus belli, it should be added that if Hezbollah had been disarmed as stated in the United Nations Security Resolution 1559, this conflict would not have happened. There would have been no Hezbollah and therefore no Hezbollah raid. This is part of the casus belli. Let's keep the facts! | |||
On another note, it is pretty outrageous to call this a vandalism. Please read the wikipedia article on the United Nations Security Resolution 1559. It specifically states that Hezbollah must be disarmed. Many nations and media sources have stated that if the resolution had been followed, this conflict would not have happened. --] 20:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC) |
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I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ).
It's a bit weird we visibly link to Misplaced Pages:Contents/Portals, but the only link to Misplaced Pages:Contents (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like Misplaced Pages:Contents/TOC navbar that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. Beland (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. Art LaPella (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- This appears to be an objection to the WP:SKIN, not the contents of Main Page itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to Misplaced Pages:Contents in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps Misplaced Pages talk:Vector 2022) or at the village pump. Modest Genius 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page.
- Wouldn't changing the skin change all pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- Beland (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. Masem (t) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)