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== ] ==

...was styled, after her divorce, like a divorced peeress – &#10013;''']]]''' 14:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

== "The" before Prince or Princess ==

Hi, I saw at ], and I wondered was it correct. I think Catherine would only be "'''The''' Princess William" if her husband were "'''The''' Prince William" (leaving aside his Duke of Cambridge title). And I think he'll only become "'''The''' Prince William" when Charles becomes King. I've left a query at ]. Thanks. ] (]) 23:28, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

== Template:Angels in Abrahamic Religions ==

So, why did you remove the italics again? Or add them, in the case of Michael and Gabriel? Are you suggesting that they are not "recognized by all denominations."? ]] (]) 10:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== EIIR infobox ==

Please stop reverting at ]. There was a long-standing consensus version for that infobox section that you overrode a month ago without a new consensus and are trying to impose again over a subsequent change. I am almost finished putting together something at ]. You should undo your last revert; but, at least please discuss the change you want to make at the talk page. --<span style="border-top:1px solid black;font-size:80%">] ]</span> 16:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Your edit to the infobox was correct, Keivan. Except that you should've placed it ''below'' the image. ] (]) 23:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

OK! I think that's right<span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 09:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
:I believe you've been on Misplaced Pages long enough to know that, when your edit is quickly reverted, you should be seeking a consensus for your change at the article's associated talk page; you saw that only just a few days ago when you tried to alter the infobox at ]. The infobox you are now trying to replace at ] has been in place ; consensus by silence is obviously well established. Please take the matter to the talk page, thanks. --<span style="border-top:1px solid black;font-size:80%">] ]</span> 16:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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* Reverter's note: the "Gook" part was removed. "Gook" is a slur to Asians, I hardly think that's the correct last name for him, given that.
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== I don't know about you... ==

...but I'm pretty sure the Duke of Cambridge is a child of the heir apparent. &#10013;''']]]''' 15:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:No worries. We just need to find a capable artist who would create new versions... &#10013;''']]]''' 16:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

== Corbin Bleu ==

I can't help but notice your sudden interest in Corbin Bleu, which seems completely different from your normal field of interest. We have a problem with a banned Farsi-speaking editor that occasionally contacts people and attempts to get them to edit Corbin Bleu related articles on his behalf. He ''is'' a banned editor, and no editor should edit on his behalf. Has he contacted you?&mdash;](]) 12:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
:I don't know his real life identity. We primarily deal with him under his ] account, but he has falsely claimed to be dozens of people, include ]. What prompted your sudden interest in Corbin Bleu?&mdash;](]) 17:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


== Damon Salvatore Page ==

I dont know what gave the impression but I haven't made the current Damon Salvatore page. Yes I made it a long time ago but that was deleted by a moderator so i never tried to get into it again. ] (]) 15:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

It was ] ] (]) 14:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

== Princess ==

Why did you revert my edits? It is not necessary to specify that their occupation is the Prince or Princess of Japan. This is not cited on other royal articles of other nations. Furthermore, both the infobox and article already make the statement perfectly clear. These people do not have occupations, they are born into royalty. <font color="#fe2c96">★</font><b><font color="#ba6afd">]</font></b><font color="#fe2c96">★</font> 03:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== Princess Takamado ==

Hello! A widow is only called dowager if the new holder of the title is married. For example, if the Duke of X dies and his successor is unmarried or he has no successor at all, then his wife remains Duchess of X. Anyway, having a succession box makes no sense if there is no succession, don't you think? If a person is the first and so far only holder of the title, there is no need for a succession box. Cheers, ] (]) 10:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi again! When the subject of the article is a consort, the parameters 'predecessor' and 'successor' are not used. Infoboxes are supposed to contain essential information only and when it comes to consorts, that's hardly essential. I think there is a manual of some sorts somewhere. I'll look it up if you wish. ] (]) 12:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:I think other articles are fine. If you encounter one that's not, feel free to fix it :) ] (]) 12:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
==Talkback==
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Thank you. ] (]) 16:23, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

==May 2012==
] Please do not add or change content without ] it by citing ], as you did to ]. Please review the guidelines at ] and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-unsourced2 --> --] (]) 00:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:That wasn't an unsourced edit. I just added her Royal name in Japanese and of course her full name. <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 05:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

::OK, but you'll need to include a source for any claimed religious affiliation. --] (]) 05:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:::Yes, of course but for example about her title or royal name there are enough sources in the article. <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 05:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== Lady Ogilvy ==

Hi, re , this is a title assigned to a royal, this is Her Higness' official title making it royal. See her official title on the title and styles section of her article. I didn't want to undo your undo as I thought it would be better to come to a mutual agreement! Cheers--] (]) 15:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Ancestry charts ==

Hello! The ancestry of the Empress of Japan is nothing but trivia. You will find no reliable source mentioning her mother's father's mother or any great-grandparent whatsoever. The Queen of Spain's ancestry is notable, however, as she was not a commoner before marriage but a princess of Greece and princess of Denmark. There are no ancestry sections in articles about other former-commoner-consorts (and if there are, there shouldn't be); see, for example, the articles about the Queen of Sweden and the Queen of Norway. ] (]) 11:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Of course, this is true for Japanese princesses by marriage as well. ] (]) 12:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

:I really don't understand you. About Michiko you were right, but about Masako you are wrong. Firstly, her ancestry isn't trivial secondly Masako is a daughter of a famous diplomat and she comes from a notable family. <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 12:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

::The Crown Princess's father is notable, of course, and he is mentioned in the article. His father's mother, however, is not (just an example). There is no reason to have the ahnentafel just to show her relationship to her father, who is already mentioned several times in the article. Besides, such unsourced and contentious information must not be inserted into the article about a living person per ]. Please don't revert anymore; if you believe the ancestry chart is useful for some reason, find reliable sources and we will discuss it. ] (]) 12:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:::As for the ancestries, I hope you understand my point. If their ancestries were significant in any aspect, I wouldn't oppose including the ahnentafels. However, they did not become what they are due to their ancestries; the fact that the Crown Princess's mother's father's mother was a woman named Yoneko is not relevant to any aspect of her life. Misplaced Pages is not a geneaological database. ] (]) 13:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
I must tell you I was under impression that you were French. I do not know why. I had no idea Keivan was a Muslim name. What language does it come from? ] (]) 12:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:I was asking because I am Muslim too and I had never heard of it before. I like it nevertheless :) ] (]) 13:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
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== Photo of Duke & Duchess of Cambridge ==

Hi Keivan,

You took a good photo of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, but unfortunately it was added to an inappropriate part of the article - ideally we should have had a picture of the chateau at that place as that would link into the section.

Good luck with your photography - why don't you look at articles connected with the area where you live - some are probably lacking good photographs - in that way you can make a real contribution to Wikipeadia.

Best wishes ] (]) 15:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

:OK! You are right. :) <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 15:47, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

== Date format ==

Hi! I saw this of yours. I restored the original date format. See ]. Please do not change the date format. If you have changed the format of other articles without checking the original format, please check it and undo your changes if necessary. Please remember, most of the Japan-related articles use the mdy format. Thank you. ] <small>(])</small> 06:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

:Well! I don't understand why the Japan-related articles use the mdy format but I think you are right.<span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 15:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== Replacability ==

Until Princess Yoko dies, pictures of her are replaceable. There are probably thousands of private snapshots. You could fly to Japan and take one yourself if you so chose. NFCC#1 doesn't mean that you have a replacement handy, it means that one could be made.&mdash;](]) 14:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

== Firuze / Hümeyra ==

Selam Keivan,

Only in the last episode she appeared, it was mentioned that her real name is "Hümeyra". During all the episodes she was called Firuze. If you would ask people who follow the series, more than 90% will not remember the real name. Several Women in the Harem changed their name, Aleksandra/Hürrem being the most prominent one. So i don't think it is necessary to mention this name here. ] (]) 10:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

:I also checked Turkish Misplaced Pages and I saw that that name was written in her roles. But if it isn't really necessary, you can remove that name. <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 08:19, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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== Templates ==

Is there an explanation for the template changes? removing the steps? (] (]) 17:01, 10 July 2013 (UTC))
:Those sections should include family members, not stepfamily members. <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 17:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
::Also, I must say that I removed the steps from all those templates. (Templates of Diana, Camilla and William) <span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 17:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
::: Ok, just wondering (] (]) 17:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

== Farsi help needed ==

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I'm contacting you because we need some Farsi translators to help with the deployment of the new ] on fa.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: ]. I also need help with a personal message for the Farsi Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, ] (]) 19:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:Hi! Of course I will be really happy if I help you with the deployment of the new ] on fa.wikipedia and also your personal message. I also should say that I'm sorry for answering after a week, but tell me every time you want for helping you in Persian translating.<span style="font: 24px 'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font: 18px 'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 14:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
::Hey Keivan, thanks for getting in touch. First priority is making a page on fa.wiki that describes the VisualEditor, so interested fa.wiki users can find out more about it. You could translate this page: (or a shorter version, whatever you have time for), and we could copy it over to fa.wiki. This would also give Farsi wikipedians a place to leave comments and bug reports. Let me know what you have time to do, ] (]) 18:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

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== Roxelana ==

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thank you for your message. No I am sorry, that is all I have. Good luck with finding more information about the painting. ] (]) 20:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Hürrem and Mahidevran ==

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== Unsourced personal info ==

Hi Keivan.f, note that I partially reverted your edits at ] as some of the personal info (including spouse names, marriage dates and parent names) you added was not supported by sourced article content. In addition to the BLP issues, the instructions at ] note that height should only be included if the individual is noted for their height or if it is particularly relevant (e.g. for sports figures or models). The names of family members are generally only included if they are independently notable (per ]). --]<sup>]</sup> 19:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
:It's not better for me to "to search about her in internet", it's better (and policy) for you to include your sources when you add the material. If the Facebook page confirms the details of her second marriage, then include the source when adding the material. You also added the name and marriage dates of her first marriage, this requires a source as well. The Turkish wikipedia entry is irrelevant as wikis ], and the information there is equally unsourced. The onus is on the individual adding or restoring content to verify the content, so please ensure you include a citation for each of the claims being made. As the infobox is supposed to be a summary of article content, it would be beneficial if the material is added as prose to the article (with the relevant citation), then added to the infobox if relevant. --]<sup>]</sup> 22:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

== Mahidevran's photo ==

Stop it! If there is a conflict, first before you talk. Belongs to you, not any opinion on discussion ! Next time, I will report to Administrator your vandalic edits other languages! ] (]) 14:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

== Aisha move ==

I was coming here to tell you how to request a move, but I see you already know how. I've reverted you here. It's an article with a number of editors and any move should be discussed. ] (]) 15:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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== Ice Bucket Challenge ==

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:{{ping|Softlavender}} Sorry, you're right. ;) <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 09:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

== Roxelana/Hurrem Sultana ==

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==Liberties==
Hello, and thank you for all the good work you are doing!

When making drastic changes however, such as removing relevant coats of arms that have been there for years from the templates of royal families, or such as applying your own name formats to them, you should be more careful to have consensus with you. That is normally done by starting a discussion to which any and all interested editors may contrubute, best done on an article's talk page.

On the subject of royalty, just as an example, it is not WP policy that a few select ''royalty editors'', with whom you might communicate exclusively, decide any- and everything that goes into or out of those articles. All editors have a right to be heard and to contribute as well as they can, in the same way that you or I do. If you continue to do things your own way, and the results are drastic changes to Misplaced Pages's contents, you'll find yourself at odds with other editors who may feel your good faith actions are offensive and destructive, not to say vandalism (yet). That will then lead to disagreeble situations that nobody will enjoy.

] is not meant to encourage editors to get themselves in trouble by habitually appearing headstrong and inconsiderate.

Keep up the good work, but please be a bit more considerate and careful! Discuss '''openly''' ''before'' you remodel extensively! Sincerely, --] (]) 16:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
:"Headstrong and inconsiderate"? "Offensive and destructive"? "Vandalism"? Whooaaah. Did two edits, easily undone with a single revert, really warrant such strong words? And "drastic changes"! Really? A drastic change would be translating the template into Thai, not this. Nobody appreciates condescending lectures on her or his talk page, especially not over something blown out of proportion. I believe you've been told that when you left a similar message on another user's talk page. ] (]) 18:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
::You have either misread what I wrote or else you are just trying to pick another fight with me again. There is no personal attack here. I'm trying to tell this young and enthusiastic user to be more careful lest he be ''misunderstood'' as a problem user, and to use the talk pages of involved articles to avoid such problems, which I believe ''you'' have been told many times. --] (]) 18:48, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Dear ], I understood what you said, but what about you? Didn't you just change the names of Swedish royals to the format you like and revert my edits? I didn't find any discussion about this. Also what was the purpose of those images that were in royal families' templates? Of course if anyone feels my edits are offensive and destructive, s/he can discuss it with me. And about the infobox of Carl Gustaf, I should say that I changed the name formats, for example I changed Prince Carl Philip to Prince Carl Philip, Duke of X, because the children of sovereigns and consorts are mentioned by their titles in their parents' infoboxes. Take a look at ]'s infobox. Her second daughter's name is written like this: Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon not just Princess Margaret. And also we are friends here, and there's no personal attacking as you said. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 19:42, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Yes, I have been told that. By you. Who else on Misplaced Pages enjoys lecturing others more than writing articles? Oh, good thing you said there was no personal attack here, because the words "headstrong and inconsiderate" and "offensive and destructive" were quite troubling. Allow me to remind you of that the next time you try to lecture me about my tone or something similarly trivial. Misplaced Pages needs "young and enthusiastic" users to do exactly what Keivan.f is doing - contribute, do whatever they believe will improve an article, and they do not need to seek anyone's permission or blessing beforehand. ] (]) 21:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Wow, thanks. ;) <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 21:34, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
"Who else on Misplaced Pages enjoys lecturing others more than writing articles?" ~ gross exaggerations, overly familiar insults and personal attacks like that are what you get if/when you ever disagree with some editors. Best of luck to you, Keivan.f, I mean that. I've seen how you in fact ''do'' seem to feel you need to "seek ... permission or blessing beforehand", and that's very good, but all I'm saying is: do it on the talk pages, not in messages to other users. Just my advice, take it or leave it. And you'll also see that I in fact ''do'' use the talk pages of articles as a basic rule whenever any reverting is done. That's what we're supposed to do, no matter what you see some other editors doing. Try to forget all the nasty animosity that was created here. That was really not my intention. --] (]) 02:28, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::OK! The result of your statements is this: please discuss on talk pages and share your opinions with others. And I forgot all the nasty animosity that was created here. ;) <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 12:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Bravo! --] (]) 15:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

== September 2014 ==
Please do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to make a point, as you appear to have done by removing the images from over '''50''' royal family templates, without edit summaries, after a 'slow burn edit war' at ] where you were advocating that such an image be kept ]<sup>]</sup> 09:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:He/She should be asked why he is reverting so many approved articles and erasing info without explanation.
] (]) 00:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
::@] Adding unnecessary photos that have no purpose is not a precious information. Stop adding pictures to the articles of Ottoman consorts with explanation like this: ''Murad III, son of Nurbanu Sultan''. If someone really wants to see his photo, s/he can visit his article's page. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 06:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
:::And also I find no rule in Misplaced Pages that we should always explain the other users why we edit an article. Here's not a primary school. We don't need the others permissions on talk pages before a little edit to an article. Also reverting an IP user's vandalism doesn't need explanation. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 07:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Spelling error for Oprah ==

On the Oprah Winfrey page under the section "born" her name is spelled Orpah. Just an Fyi
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:{{ping|Owais khursheed}} Yes, I belong to Shia form of Islam but I have read about Sunni caliphs too and I think it's not really good to have the three others' articles under the titles ], ], ] and then this one as ]. You said that Uthman is known under the name "Uthman ibn Affan" but I think Umar is also known as Umar ibn al-Khattab and Ali as Ali ibn Abi-Talib. So I think it's better to move Uthman ibn Affan to Uthman. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 15:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

yeah they should have these names. you should instead request an admin to change their titles to their proper name. But you are going in the other way. Abu Bakr is popular by this name. you should request Admin for changing Ali to Ali bin abi Talib and like wise for Umer (may allah be pleased with them). ] (]) 15:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

:But it seems that the other users won't agree with changing the name of these articles (Umar and Ali), so it's better to move Uthman. As I see it seems to be a normal move because you and maybe some other users won't agree with changing the name of Uthman's article. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 15:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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== Japanese royalty ==
The recent revisions on pages on japanese princes and princesses nearly gave me a fit. The user's rationale seems to be based on information given on the official website of the Imperial Household Agency which doesn't hold up since that information hasn't been updated properly in ages. Besides, official pages for British Royals refer to them by their ducal titles where possible, but Misplaced Pages pages for all those people don't omit their names -.- . What's your stance on the situation, since you were active on those pages before ? I'm in favour of reinstating their name + title because it's less confusing. --] (]) 23:40, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
: I would also argue Avicenna and Averroes need a move but then again both their latin and real names are kind of equally represented in all sorts of media. --] (]) 14:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Killuminator}} A few months ago I wanted ] to be moved to Hurrem Sultan, her Ottoman royal name. But users opposed the move and gave examples such as Avicenna and said that in these cases Latin name should be used. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 15:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
::: Regarding Hurrem, there is this Turkish sitcom Magnificent Century, and since they of course use the Turkish name, the term Roxelana was largely pushed out of use in many places in SE Europe. --] (]) 17:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
::: An example of a good move is Uluru. When I was learning about Australia in elementary school, the most common name was Ayers rock and it still is a rather widely used term, of that there can be no doubt. But, our teacher told us that Uluru war the correct name and over time, the word Uluru simply demoted the term Ayers rock. Words and meanings simply change over time, but we people are rather nostalgic beings and it takes us some time to adapt to changes. Anyway, a week has passed for those princely members of the Japanese imperial family, can we move them now ? Also I had a suggestion for this ], check out the last post on the talk page. --] (]) 17:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Killuminator}} I'll try again to give a move request for Hurrem Sultan in the future. And about the Japanese Imperial Family, well an administrator will close the discussion tomorrow and move the pages himself. I will answer to your suggestion on the article's talk page. Also I posted a paragraph from Japanese Wikipedians on Prince Akishino's talk page that shows why their empresses are called like this. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 20:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::I asked for help from someone named ] to help me with Japanese empresses' articles but he just removes my messages without any clear reason and escapes from answering. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 21:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::: So much for traditional Japanese hospitality. Sadly, I'm not competent enough to trim down the family tree, do you know someone adequate for the job ? --] (]) 22:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Killuminator}} Yes, I think I know someone. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 22:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Killuminator}} Also do you think ] should be moved to Hurrem Sultan? <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 11:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::: Hi there, I didn't see your question, I was so busy these day. My last exam was this morning and I hope I pass, yikes. That should clear my semester. I would support moving it to Hurrem Sultan since it's clearly gaining on usage seeing how there's a sitcom that propelled the popularity of Suleiman I and people of that era. There's even a song about it : --] (]) 13:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::: And yeah, the admins didn't move those pages we discussed earlier, even though there is a clear unanimous vote on the matter. --] (]) 13:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::: Sorry for posting three times in a row, my brain is scrambled. A similar person from the same time period as Roxelana would be the infamous Redbeard but still the page is titled by his real name Oruç Reis. --] (]) 14:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: {{ping|Killuminator}} Hello. I hope you pass your exams. As I said previously I requested moving Roxelana to Hurrem Sultan which was opposed by some users. Many Ottoman sultanas were known by nicknames in Europe but on Misplaced Pages the form of their articles' titles is "Name Sultan". Her royal and official name is Hurrem Sultan and she is known by this name in Asia, Eastern Europe, and North Africa. Over 300 millions of people in over 50 countries watched the TV series ] and almost all of those people know her under the title Hurrem Sultan. It's true that here is English Misplaced Pages but we shouldn't forget that this language is international. But I think this time you should give a move request and I'll support it absolutely. About Japanese royals, well I think there are too many pages listed to be moved and during these days one of admins close the discussion and move the pages. I'll try to talk to one of them to move the pages sooner. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 14:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: {{ping|Killuminator}} I think my brain is scrambled too. I wanted to say Africa but I wrote America. However as that TV series is currently airing in USA, so she will become known by the name Hurrem. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 14:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: {{ping|Killuminator}} Giving some examples of Ottoman sultanas who also have nicknames: ] (Hurrem's daughter) is also known as Cameria, ] (Suleiman's another consort) is also known as Rosne Pranvere, and many other examples. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 14:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::: I'm not experienced enough to request it and I think it's a bit early. Regarding the family tree (Japan), some user made it EVEN SMALLER ! It's outrageous to me seeing how I wear glasses and reading such puny letters requires me too get closer to the screen. Can you get that guy to trim the family tree down pleaseeee ? --] (]) 20:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
: I just noticed something regarding Russian empresses, there is no navigational template for consorts. None, zippo, nix. --] (]) 23:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I saw this discussion here now. I do not agree with it, because you are inventing a format that is incorrect. ] (]) 09:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Ryulong}} Hi. First I apologize for saying bad words to you. I became really angry that time. I didn't become sad that why you're not interested in the topic, all I wanted to tell you that you could just say: "No, I can't help you". Since I hadn't heard that reverting someone's edits on your talk page means that you do not wish to be involved in his or her request, I thought that I had written something wrong in your talk page. I'm also a rollbacker but usually I don't use it for reverting the other users' edits and I try to answer them. And my purpose isn't to change Japanese empresses articles' titles, I just want to expand them. I needed a person who is interested in Japan's culture and know Japanese language and I thought that maybe you can help me. I asked some interested users for help and they answered. Again I apologize if I made you sad. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 23:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Ryulong}} Sorry but I didn't understand what you said. Which editor do you mean exactly? <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 21:38, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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== Copying Camilla's article ==

Is there a reason why you keep doing that to Diana's? Every article should be written in its own way, you're making it so obvious and sad. (] (]) 15:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Diana's article need two different sections, her early life, education and career needs to split, Camill's article didn't need to be split.

I know this wikipedia but please stop doing that, although it's already done, hope you happy. (] (]) 15:51, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

:Hi dear {{ping|Monkelese}}. Actually I have expanded Diana's article since two years ago. During these years I just tried to get inspiration from other articles, the Queen Mother's article, Camilla's article, etc. But you're right too. There should be some differences between articles. They shouldn't look exactly the same. I try to make more differences from now. Thanks. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 08:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
::HEY KEiVAN WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING? You just copy whatever I write in Camilla's article to Diana's, again i said stop it, the articles look too similar in the lead and most parts all because of what you are doing, just today I wrote, '''She has also raised awareness in areas including rape and sexual abuse, and literacy, for which she has been praised,''' and you write the same for Diana, using AIDS and leprosy, why do you keep making both articles similar, I suggest you remove the duplications and come up with your own ideas, it is wrong and immature stealing someone's way of writing. You are not like looking for inspiration, you're looking to make both of articles the same, which is severely wrong after I told you to stop it. Yet after I edited Camilla's page, you edit Diana's page writing the same as if it some sort of competition. I will report this if I can, I took Camilla's page which was not edited years ago and edited with my own style, you should have and should do the same. This is not about thinking her article is mine, but protecting it from unneccesary edits. Now you take Camilla's article and write it like Diana's, it is very wrong and if I were you I would remove it all and rewrite on your own. Again, every article has its way of writing, I get inspiration from other articles including Diana's but i DO NOT duplicate or copy exactly what is on her article, this is what you are doing, I had to revert '''Childhood and Youngadulthood''' on Diana's page because it was irrelevant for you to copy it from Camilla's. Again what do you intend to gain? Its like you are comparing both ladies whom you and I know are completely different from eachother. I wonder if I can report your childish behavior. (] (]) 16:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Monkelese}} Calm down. I just thought that you have written that sentence long time ago. You really think that I'm waiting for you to do something with Camilla's article? Hah. I don't follow you and I don't have to give answers to you about what I do with the other articles. Maybe you're right, I was wrong, I shouldn't add a sentence that is completely similar to Camilla's one, but if you look at Diana's article you see the information are completely different. Actually I was the person who separated Diana's early life section to two different parts long time ago and created another one for her education and career. Diana had a section for her charity work before Camilla, which I have expanded during these two years, if I added the title "areas of interest" it doesn't mean that I have stolen your precious way of writing. I created a section titled princess of wales after I read the Queen Mother's article that has a section titled duchess of york. If you really think using a sentence is stealing your way of writing then change it or every sentence you might think is similar to Camilla's article. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 18:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Monkelese}} I think you're the one who's behaving like children. I don't understand the reason of your anxiety. As you said they're two different individuals. Their appearances, their charity works, everything about them is different. If you feel that there are some similarities that makes you annoyed, tell me and I think about how to change it with your help and advise. You seem to be a wise person, so let's solve this problem in its right way. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 18:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I don't know how old you are but you're very childish, this is not Diana's fansite, look at my edit on Camillas , and look at Diana's on the same day you're copying exactly what I write, I don't care about sections like Areas of Interest, I care about duplicating the same thing I write, you should know better than that, even her grandfather, you do the same to to Diana's grandfather, why? As I said I have been inspired by articles including Diana's but never thought of copying the way her article is written, if you can't come up with a writing style, then stop editing. (] (]) 18:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Monkelese}} I removed that sentence. Anything else? Even when I asked you to tell me the problems, you behave like this. I'm really sorry for you. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 18:20, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I will tell you who's aritcle I got inspired by highlighting the works on the Duchess, I got it through Michelle obamas article and overall the first ladies, but i never thought of using the same writing style. There is a difference, what I see here is basically taking most sentence in Camillas article to Diana's, and you don't rewrite it. They way their lead is written is very similar, it should not be. I don't have to point it out to you, you know which sentences (] (]) 19:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

== Did you mean to delete your !vote? ==

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:{{ping|BD2412}} Hi dear. Actually I wanted to support the move at first, but after looking at the books written by her and some other official documents that the others had provided, I changed my mind. I don't know to support it or opposse it. I also really don't have enough time currently to participate in such discussions. I hope all of the users choose the best title for the article. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 05:38, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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:::{{ping|SimonTrew}} Thank you so much. I wish you the best in everything you do. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 16:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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::::I used to be able to concentrate, but I can't now. ] (]) 16:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|SimonTrew}} It's just a negative feeling. I'm sure you can take back your concentration in the future. And also everything you do in your life, try to do it in its best way. No matter what it is, cooking, washing, etc. I liked to talk more but I should go back to my room and rest, after a day full of stress because of Mathematics. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 17:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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== there you again ==

Please remove other areas from Diana's section , seems you are not listening, come up with your own title, it ridiculous how obsessed you are right now, and stop removing things from Camilla's page, rewrite or let it be, its high time you stop this{] (]) 20:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

:{{ping|Monkelese}} I changed the title, but I'm really tired of your orders. How about changing the sections' titles in ]'s article because they're also similar to Camilla's article!! And I removed that sentence from the lead section of Camilla's article because it says that she uses the title "Duchess of Rothesay" because of the strong association of the title "Princess of Wales" with Diana. It's completely wrong as Diana was also Duchess of Rothesay in Scotland. Camilla adopted the title "Duchess of Cornwall" because of Diana. You reverted my explained edit without a clear reason. I think you have become sensitive on each of my edits. As I said before try to be optimistic a little and stop this behavior. And let this discussion end here now because neither me nor you have time to discuss for silly reasons and I have nothing to say and no more time for discussing anymore. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 08:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
::The Duchess of Cornwall's other title are all supposed to mention, only thing mentioned is the princess of wales, why? Look at Diana's all is mentioned, you could have rewrote it, although it already makes sense, yet you choose to remove an entire sentence, you could have wrote, in scotland she uses duchess of rothesay and her other titles are the rest. removing it was uncessary, we HAD a discussion about this, you seem to be making sure both women have their page and everything written the same way, again they are different, even after I added extended family to Camilla's template, you do the same to Diana's, why? her template was fine before...listen to what you're doing wrong and stop coming up with excuses (] (]) 14:47, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
:::As you can see it has been added, not removed, I will also not have this conversation anymore, regardless of what I say or said it doesn't matter to you, and I will say too, i have nothing to say to you anymore or discuss regarding this. This is my final say on this matter (] (]) 01:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
::{{ping|Monkelese}} But isn't that making the lead sections the same? Because Diana's titles are mentioned in the lead section they have to be mentioned in Camilla's article too. OK. And yes, we had a discussion over this matter, but adding a new section to a template is not copying. I will add extended family to Charles and William's templates too and I see no problem here. Also as we agreed before the articles shouldn't have the same sentences. Another user and I changed Diana's lead section after you mentioned this, but similarity in third-level headings doesn't make that much problem. "Charity" section in Diana's article is a little bit similar to ] as most of the royals perform public duties and it should be mentioned. I think we won't have more problems in the future as we discussed almost everything about these two articles. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 05:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

== Kit Harington ==

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With regards to Kit Harington's page, to my understanding both Kit himself and the show creators have advised that 'Jon Snow is dead'. When pressed for more information about the character, they further confirmed that, saying 'dead is dead'. I believe that this is sufficient information to change the dates of Kits presence on the show.

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== Haseki Sultan = Empress ==

Why Haseki Sultan can't be translated as empress? ] (]) 13:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:@] Hi. Actually we can't make rules and decide how to translate it. Unfortunately the historical books doesn't mention the existence of such position (Empress) in the Ottoman courts. As far as I know historians also haven't translated it as Empress. I don't know what the word "Haseki" exactly means. Although if you have a reliable source that proves your opinion you're free to use it. Otherwise it's better to leave it in the way it is and not translate it. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 16:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==


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== Halime Sultan ==

Hello Keivan, I see there is many false Informations about the consort or Valide Sultanas of the Ottoman Empire. Too much selfmade storys like Noble womans from circassian, Abkhazian Familys etc.
This was not the real fact in the Ottoman Harem system, because they didn't want to have Womans from Noble Families in the Harem, like the Yeniceri.

Halime Sultan as a Valide is not given in any realiable sources.

To my Person, I am a descendant of Saliha Sultan, daughter of Mahmud II, and I wonder me, How many is written about the Womans in the Harem. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:@] Hello. Actually about Halime Sultan's situation I agree with you. The name of the mother of Mustafa I isn't recorded in history, and the book used as a source doesn't mention her name. I think one of the users moved it based on the new historical TV series that is currently airing in Turkey. As for this, you can give a ]. Valide Sultan (mother of Mustafa I) can be a better title. About the origins and early lives of Ottoman consorts I should say that they are sourced by numerous books and removing them without discussion on talk pages isn't a wise decision. Feel free to remove the "unsourced" paragraphs but the sourced information cannot be removed because you think that they're wrong. You must first provide reliable sources and then change the information. Also it's not stated that all of the Ottoman consorts were from noble families, only some of them were, but as they were captured and then sent to the harem, they turned to be slaves at first and it couldn't cause problem for the harem's system. Then they could rose to power and become Valide or Haseki. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 16:25, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, but I have a Problem with the User Nein, he always made speedy for deletion for Ayse Siddika Hanimsultan the daughter of Saliha Sultan (daughter of Mahmud II). This angry me <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:@] There's no reason to be angry. That page was deleted because its individual wasn't notable enough to have a separate article on Misplaced Pages. Being related to a notable person doesn't mean that you're also notable. A person also won't become notable because of your personal views. You must provide reliable sources that proves a person was notable or influential in history. It's clear that Ayse Siddika wasn't an important figure in Ottoman history. She's unknown. I think moving the information about her to Saliha Sultan's article was a good decision. The articles about other Ottoman imperial princesses are sourced. You can see the sources in references sections. Those who don't have enough sources are tagged. And of course the daughters of a king are more notable than his granddaughters. And as an advise, please don't blank your talk page. Only pay attention to the messages and follow the instructions. If you have access to reliable sources, then use them and the articles won't be deleted. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 11:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Well the sources I taken from this Book, it is written by the Ottoman Dynasty
https://archive.org/stream/GenealogyOfTheImperialOttomanFamily2005#page/n13/mode/2up <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:20, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:@] Well, I saw the book and it seems to be reliable. But the main point is that it's just a genealogy. Maybe you can use this book for creating a family tree or add the name of Ottoman princes and princesses' descendants to their articles but you can't create separate articles for each and everyone of them, as a genealogy doesn't prove their notability. It's not actually a biography to show their activities and achievements. I'm completely sure that all of them weren't prominent, maybe some of them. But then again multiple other sources are needed to prove their notability. And as I said above my final statement is that being related to a royal family doesn't mean that a person is notable on his own. As a suggestion please read ]. It helps you to understand what I said better. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 09:10, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

== Princess Rukiye Fazl ==
Well, if a Hanimsultan a Granddaughter of an Ottoman Sultan is not important for Misplaced Pages, why then a Princess of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/Princess_Rukiye_Fazl <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:@] I didn't say that a Hanimsultan isn't important at all. You completely misunderstood what I said as you're looking so dynastic and fanatic to this matter. I said that being a Hanimsultan doesn't bring notability for a person. Maybe there were some influential and powerful Hanimsultans in history and they surely can have articles on Misplaced Pages but those like Ayse Siddika who weren't prominent and didn't play a role in political matters of the country or even the harem cannot. ]'s article also doesn't meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines and I will give a proposed deletion request for it but not because she was a princess of the ], but because she wasn't a prominent figure. Of course if there had been any powerful and famous princess in this dynasty she can have an article on Misplaced Pages. That's all. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 09:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

== Serenay Sarıkaya ==

Hi, you better take care of that article now 'cause is nominated for deletion by an insane! Regards (] (]) 02:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC))
:Well done! He gave up! Cheers {{smiley}} (] (]) 17:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC))
::@] Thanks for bringing this issue into my attention. Regards. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 17:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

== Damat Gürcü Halil Rifat Pasha ==

Hello Keivan, maybe you can help me to create this Page. He was the Husband of Saliha Sultan (Mahmud II's daughter). He was one of the last big Ottoman Statemans and a native Georgian Prince.
He was captured as Boy and grew up as a Muslim, in the last Janissaries Time. He married firstly Saliha Sultan and after her death he married again and got a son. This son was Damat Mahmud Celaleddin Pasha, who also became a Groom, because he married Seniha Sultan. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]]) 12:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This is the Turkish Page of Damat Gürcü Halil Rifat Pasha: https://tr.wikipedia.org/Damat_G%C3%BCrc%C3%BC_Halil_Rifat_Pa%C5%9Fa

:@] I checked the Turkish article. It seems to be well sourced and the individual is also notable. You can create it. Currently, I don't have much time to translate it myself. You can translate the Turkish version to English yourself and don't forget to include the sources completely. Then I can check the grammar and the article's shape. I won't be on Misplaced Pages until Friday so if you create the article before that time, I can later improve it. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 13:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


Thank you Keivan, well my Turkish is bad, but I have create the Page...
Damat Gürcü Halil Rifat Pasha is not to be confused with Halil Rifat Pasha, there are two different Persons. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== "Hatun" and "Sultan" ==

Was Ayse Hatun (wife of Osman II) really Haseki Sultan? Why in many sources, she called "Hatun", not "Sultan"? About Mahidevran. Was she really "hatun", not "sultan"? What is your sources? In article of ] say "Mahidevran lost her status in the palace". I think (just my opinion) this word meaning she lost her status as "sultan". In Muhtezem Yuzyil, when concubines have a son, she received title "sultan". I know this series just "fiction", but this series talking about "history". So, of course some part from this series based on tradition in that time or some historical sources. What do you think? ] (]) 11:36, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:@] Just forget ''Muhtezem Yuzyil''. The title "haseki sultan" was created for Hurrem Sultan for the first time. Before that all the wives were called hatun. The article says that Mahidevran lost her status in the palace which refers to her status as the mother of the only heir apparent to the throne. About Ayse Hatun (wife of Osman II) and Ayse Hatun (wife of Murad IV) I don't have enough knowledge. You may ask this question from the user who created those articles and expanded them. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 12:15, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
::Yes. Hurrem was first Haseki Sultan. But, what only haseki who can held title sultan? Mahfiruz Hatice was not Haseki nor Valide, but she received title sultan, too. From i know, title sultan appeared in 16th century for prominent dynasty member. It's very possible Mahidevran as mother for only Heir apparent received the title sultan too beside Ayse Hafsa as Valide and imperial princesses. Sorry for my English.] (]) 11:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::@] No, it's OK, I can understand what you're saying. First of all Mahfiruz's situation was different from Mahidevran. Although she wasn't a Valide Sultan she was alive during her son's reign and it's more possible that she had received the title "Sultan". Mahidevran was only the mother of heir apparent and her son died sooner than his father and never took the throne, so Mahidevran was neither a Valide Sultan nor the mother of a sultan. She was neither a Haseki as this title was first created for Hurrem. The individuals who held the title "Sultan" were the king himself, his mother "Valide Sultan", his principal consort "Haseki Sultan", and the imperial princes and princesses. Besides Mahidevran is mentioned as Mahidevran Hatun in ''Padişahların Kadınları ve Kızları'' by Çağatay Uluçay, ''The Imperial Harem: Women and Sovereignty in the Ottoman Empire'' by Leslie Pierce and also in a quote from an Ottoman source. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 10:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
::::But what about ]? She was consort of Selim II. She didn't Haseki nor Valide. ] (]) 01:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::@] So the article's title should be Selimiye Hatun not Selimiye Sultan. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 13:23, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

== Sultans ==

Hello. I just reverted the edits of the IP 41.141.161.144, which show a remarkable similarity to the edits of the IP 41.250.161.203. I used WHOIS and found that the ISPs for both of these IP addresses are identical. Do you think that these editors are working in concert or are otherwise socks? ] (]) 23:36, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:@] I have no idea. Maybe they're the same person. Anyway all of this has happened because of some information on a personal weblog that claims Mahidevran, Mahfiruz, Halime and many other sultanas are from the same family. The sources used on these articles don't even mention such theory but an individual who claims to be Mahidevran's descendant has another opinion on this issue. However there's not any source or evidence available to prove her claims. <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 08:18, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

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:@] Which addition do you mean exactly? <span style="font:'Pristina'">]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>]</sup></span> 16:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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