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Re: Twelve Gauge Valentine

Hello! I requested userfication of the Twelve Gauge Valentine, and I see you have found the usercopy; I have not moved it to mainspace. I thought it used to have more references in it, but I was mistaken. I took a look around and found several resources which might be helpful to restoring the page, though I am not certain I will do so myself; the band only put out one album, which didn't chart, and the page has already had two AfDs, which means the battle would be uphill (prejudice is against you). I found a band biography on Allmusic, album review, album review, album review, album review, and Alternative Press covering their breakup. That's decent, but it might not be enough to convince the red-tape machine of DRV that the article should be restored. Would you like me to move the page to your userspace, if you are going to do more work on it? Chubbles (talk) 02:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that would be nice. Thank you! Metalworker14 (talk) 8:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, it's been moved to User:Metalworker14/Twelve Gauge Valentine. Enjoy. Chubbles (talk) 16:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank U! You can help out too if u want. Metalworker14 (talk) 3:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

Hi there, I'm Serge, and admin here on Misplaced Pages. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but do you think maybe it would be a good idea to slow down and learn a little bit more about Misplaced Pages before making so many articles? I've noticed a lot of your article are being nominated for deletion or redirected.

I think you basically just need to start writing article using more third party reliable sources in order to make sure that the topic meets the WP:GNG. I think some of the article you've created, like for instance, Ghost Thief (album), are notable, however, the way you're writing them, makes them appear like they're not. You really should try to have at least 4 to 5 sources present when creating an article. And you really should add a few paragraph's of content in - it's generally frowned upon to create album article's that have nothing but a track listing. Creating a reception section, outline reviews for an album, for instance, is a good way to prove that it's worthy of having its own article.

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I don't mean to offend or scare you away, I just don't want your work to be wasted on efforts that just keep getting eliminated. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.Sergecross73 msg me 13:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem. As I said here, I don't agree with the nomination, I think he's off base, but if you are just a little more thorough with your articles, you'd be able to eliminate these misunderstandings altogether, you know? Let me know if you need help. Sergecross73 msg me 14:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Ghost Thief

That other editor was not supposed to do that. I'll monitor the page to make sure it won't happen again. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 23:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hello Metalworker14. You have been reported at WP:AIV once again for adding made-up information and information that goes against an official source. What do you have to say about these claims? Widr (talk) 06:18, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Widr it is nice to meet you. Let me ask which article that I have been reporting of making information up on? I would love to know before I give you a reason. Metalworker (Yo) 07:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Please look at the link I gave you. The report is still there. Widr (talk) 11:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Widr the user that reported me seems to have a problem with me as he has reported me on several occasions and has sent me messages saying essentially "that I never should have became an editor". As for the false information, I believe the issue is about a member returning to the band, of which, the bands article stated he was back in the band. Metalworker14 (Yo) 09:43, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Torn (band)

They are 100 percent notable per Cross Rhythms magazine review, HM Magazine review, and The Phantom Tollbooth review, plus they are in an encyclopedia showing tertiary source coverage for the band, making them even more notable. You must start citing sources to prove notability, where you are expecting others' to deem stuff encyclopedic by osmosis of their recollection. You are doing excellent work with regards to an article such as Righteous Vendetta.The Cross Bearer (talk | contribs) 08:17, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Gryp

This is a notable group, where they have received coverage in The Phantom Tollbooth for Real EP, The Phantom Tollbooth two reviews for Indecision album, Cross Rhythms Magazine review for Indecision album, HM Magazine review for Indecision album, Two reviews for s/t album from HM Magazine where I found one here, and Cross Rhythms review of EP I Wanna Be God. They had two stories written about them in HM Magazine, and tertiary source with coverage in The Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music, showing even more notability.The Cross Bearer (talk | contribs) 08:31, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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• Walter Görlitz, the article does not fail WP:GNG, there are two sources in the page that cover only him and his project that he formed, both reliable sources. He received significant coverage once becoming the fill-in drummer for The Devil Wears Prada, while not covering him exclusively, he was covered nonetheless. Each source provided is a reliable source. There are interviews out there, featuring him, however, many are YouTube uploaded video interviews and not considered reliable sources (despite them pertaining to the subject matter), which is why they are not included. --Metalworker14 (Yo) 04:12, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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@User:WikiMacaroons, there was no copying of anything from any sight aside from Today Is the Day's Misplaced Pages page, which Underoath's page of band members also does. The source you have linked literally states that their information comes from Misplaced Pages. Thank you for deleting a page without quick notice and one that actually used information from Misplaced Pages to begin with. That was sarcasm, in case that was not clear. - User:Metalworker14 (talk) 09:28, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that, Metalworker. Made a bit of a careless mistake, sarcasm was justified. Contacted the deleting admin who has restored the page. Will be more careful in future. Again, sorry. WikiMacaroons 18:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I apologize for being snarky. It had been a long day when I wrote that. My apologies for being so harsh, but I appreciate the restoration. Metalworker14 (Talk) 08:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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As has been mentioned multiple times, you're adding poorly sourced content yet again. I think you missed WP:THEBAND. What that means is that we write the Crucified not The Crucified for that band's name, unless it is is at the start of a sentence. Also, if you're writing a biography about a person, do not add content about the rest of the band or other players to puff it out. Focus on the subject of the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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Are you familiar with WP:NOTNEWS? Just because the band is notable and they have announced that a new album is pending, we not need to write about it. Period. Also, date formatting and other problems with your edit. While some of your edits have gotten better, they still require a lot of maintenance. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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As a non-admin, I will just note, Metalworker14, that if you are unblocked, I highly recommend getting some help with editing and Misplaced Pages procedures. You've been an editor for 10 years, but throughout that entire history there have been issues with how you construct articles (notability, referencing, and such). I'd say that you need to slow down and learn how to write better quality material.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, also, be aware of WP:SELFCITE. If you are citing yourself extensively, this is potentially problematic and you should exercise caution.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the advice. Every time I seem to make an effort towards understanding the notability factors, there seems to be a change in the information. Notability shifts over time it would seem. But I appreciate the feedback. I will take that under advisement if I am unblocked. 209.132.175.191 (talk) 19:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

(non-admin comment): I seem to remember this is not the only time COI concerns were raised about you over the years. You also didn't follow up to the message left about conflict of interest editing or a discussion at the noticeboard. I am not sure to what extent admin can review the private evidence sent to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org but it's quite compelling, but for the very reason they had to be emailed, I can't discuss details to stay within WP:OUTING. All I can say is that "paid editing" isn't constrained to itemized payment for specific action to made on Misplaced Pages. When a salaried person go for a professional coffee with a prospective client, they're not being paid in an itemized "$xx to go have coffee at Starbucks with xx xx from company yy", yet this is a "paid" meeting. Graywalls (talk) 16:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

And also, editing in COI area well into November under peculiar circumstances even after the UPE warning was left on Metalworker14 user page. I'm going to refrain from discussing in details per OUTING. I am opposed to the unblock. There's more to it than can be discussed in public. I'm just putting a request that whoever considers the request be someone who has access to functionary email and take the emailed evidence into consideration. Thank you, Graywalls (talk) 16:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't panic @Graywalls, it's in the block log. :) -- asilvering (talk) 03:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I have been attempting to login to respond via the proper means, however, I have forgotten my password. I've submitted two requests to change the password and have received no word, hence, why I've not addressed this until now. However, since my integrity is being called into question, I am addressing these issues as best I can. 209.132.175.191 (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Where else have I have been accused of COI concerns? This is the first case in my memory. 209.132.175.191 (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

When you say above I will abstain from editing the artist's page you are massively under-representing the scale of the conflict of interest that you have been demonstrated to have been involved in. If you aren't even going to acknowledge what you have been doing wrong I hardly see how anyone can begin to think about unblocking you. Similarly, the idea that this relates to notability criteria (or changes to those criteria) is again a complete misrepresentation.

If you don't even acknowledge what you did to end up being blocked, why is there any reason to believe that you will stop doing it if you get unblocked? Axad12 (talk) 21:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@209.132.175.191 and 75.103.215.60:, unblock requests can only be made by the block user in question. So, given that one of the IPs filed the request, and the other participated in discussion that puts themselves as the user in question themselves based on context, so I'm going to assume this request s made by Metalworker14 themselves. This being said, Metalworker14, have you made any edits in music/metal area after I left you a COI notice on 05:57, 14 October 2024 (UTC) which you have not responded to? Have you done any editing under any other user names? Graywalls (talk) 22:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Here's block evasion Graywalls (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

This is what we have so far: Metalworker14 did not respond to COI/UPE message left on their page. They also did not participate at all in the COI/N thread started about them even though they were given notice on this talk page. However, once they were blocked, an IP came to this page indirectly identifying themselves as Metalworker14 to appeal the block. On the day after their block, that same IP edited on a metal music related page. Graywalls (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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