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*Hey thanks! I looked at a bunch of other reports and was reminded quickly why RFPP is so impopular. Boooooooring! ] (]) 03:54, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


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== Follow-up on one of your ] closures ==
== IP range block might need an update ==
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Recently, you closed a discussion at ] as "done." The discussion is now archived at ].


Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range ] that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, ] actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range ] for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to ] very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?
It would appear that not everyone liked the outcome of the discussion; the user whose questionable edit was effectively reverted in the process, ], appears intent on edit warring to keep it in place, as exemplified by of his. As you were the closing administrator, I'd appreciate it if you could follow up on your closure and talk to that user and explain why that is not a good idea and that he should've voiced any concerns he might've had over the course of the ten days the matter was open for discussion at ]. I'd do it myself, but given the deceptiveness of the user's edit summary, which invokes "clear consensus from ANI" in disregard of the fact the ] consensus was to do the exact opposite of what he's doing, as well as the ineffectiveness of my previous attempts to discuss the matter with the user, I don't believe I'd be able to get anywhere. Thank you. ] (]) 05:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
*You asked for administrators to intervene. They chose not to do so. In other words, your dearchiving/decluttering was not supported. "I realize the matter is of low importance"--OK then. ] (]) 16:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
*:First, lack of interest, if anything, means support, if reluctant, and not lack thereof. Anything anyone says or does on Misplaced Pages is assumed to have the support of everyone who sees it but chooses not to oppose it; otherwise, introducing any changes to the encyclopedia would be impossible. We call that ], the weakest form of consensus but a form of consensus nevertheless. Even if we choose to believe there was no consensus for what I proposed, let me remind you that "hen actions by administrators are contested and the discussion results in no consensus either for the action or for reverting the action, the action is normally reverted.]]" Note that it says "actions by administrators," not "administrative actions." Note also what the ] essay has to offer.
*:Second, "low importance" isn't no importance, and I obviously described it as "low" relative to other matters being discussed at the noticeboard at the time, the idea being that I didn't mind waiting in line so long as there was end in sight. To me ''personally'' the matter of having my good name tarnished through having it appear in a ] thread uncontested is certainly of the highest possible priority, just as it would be to anyone else. Administrators might've chosen not to intervene, but the discussion was closed as "done" by one of them, you, indicating lack of disapproval, and through that silent approval, for the outcome it has come to.
*:Furthermore, it is a matter of record that the administrator whose revert was under discussion chose not to participate in the discussion, and has now, several days after the fact, reverted the page in question to his preferred version going against the silent consensus at ], against the established practice of removing threads from the archives upon unarchival, and indeed against common sense.
*:The bottom line is, will you live up to the admin task put in front of you and confront the user about his questionable conduct, or not? Does this tedious matter really ''need'' to be taken back to ]? If it does then it does, I suppose, but does it? ] (]) 17:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::*Why can't you say what you want in one single sentence? Try it. I have figured it out, but it took me a while, and I want to see if you got it right. ] (]) 17:33, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::*:The outcome of has been overturned through , and the matter could use your attention. ] (]) 18:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{tps}} . ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 20:27, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::::*Like I said, it took me a while, and your answer is incorrect: you want that old thread removed because someone mentioned you in an COI investigation and it turned out that apparently you were uninvolved. All that verbiage, an ANI thread, reams of paper on my talk page--for just that. The answer is no; I am not going to let you remove something from the archive. I'll do something else for you, but that's just because it's a beautiful day today, not because your "decluttering the archive" edit summary was in any way honest. ] (]) 22:11, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::::*:My edit summary was entirely honest and in keeping with Misplaced Pages's established practices, as was the edit itself. The summary doesn't mention my personal interest in decluttering that particular archive because I assumed nobody would care about that. Why ''would'' anyone care about that?
::::*:Speaking of dishonesty, how would you respond if any of the following edits of yours, all of which constitute a removal of a thread from an archive upon unarchival, were reverted in a similarly unreasonable way mine was? I think we both know the answer. Don't think for a second you have the moral high ground here. "I am not going to let you remove something from the archive" I presume that was supposed to be an attempt at humor? Be informed that I am not amused.
::::*:That said, I am willing to let be the solution to the problem—not because it's a real solution, but simply because I regrettably don't have enough free time on my hands to pursue the matter to its proper resolution. If ] wants to keep the ] archive cluttered and is willing to edit war to keep it cluttered, then I'll just have to be the bigger man and let him keep it cluttered I suppose. Thank you for your time and have a nice day. ] (]) 06:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::::*::Oh please. First of all, I am pleased you find me interesting enough to plow through my edit history. I hope you had to look long and hard. Second, brevity is the soul of wit. Try it. Third, being an admin has certain privileges and duties. One of them is to maintain some kind of order on ANI and noticeboards like that (you may have noticed that the "A" in "ANI" stands for "Administrator"), and to pull a thread out of the archive if it needs to be pulled out: it's a matter of judgment, and over 200 editors said I should exercise that, but exercise it wisely. You are welcome to start a thread on AN challenging those privileges and argue for each and every one of them that they were somehow disruptive. So no, not an attempt at humor. Fourth, this nonsense about "cluttered" is just that, nonsense. There's nothing that's cluttered. Fifth, what you ''wanted'' to ask was "I want that old thread removed because someone mentioned me in an COI investigation and it turned out that I was uninvolved." Sixth, you're welcome; your willingness is just grand. Seventh, if you want to be the bigger man, that is just fine--I'm too old to get into a contest of who has the biggest dick, or the thickest waist, and I will happy to lose both contests. But go do it somewhere else. Be a big man in article development or improvement; this talk page is running out of space for big men, with Ched and Doug Weller crowding the paint. Vaya con dios, ] (]) 15:51, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


Regards, —&nbsp;] ] 01:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
== Inaccuracy ==
*Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, ] (]) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
**Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. ] (]) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. ] (]) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through ] fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. ] (]) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***:{{yo|Cullen328}} Do you routinely distribute rodenticide in key locations? I do so weekly, and the problems are much improved. ] (]) 10:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:{{u|Deepfriedokra}}, we live in a semi-rural area with lots of beneficial wildlife like deer, rabbits and squirrels plus pets like cats and dogs, so pest control professionals prefer to avoid most poisons and rely on traps and repellents instead. There is also the hidden dead rat odor problem. We are going to start a very specialized product called RatX in the next few days. ] (]) 17:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::Oh Lord, rats are a horrible problem. Hope you can get rid of them. Do you guys have any cats? And I think that having a lot of insects and whatnot in your house is considered something of a way of life, but imo, definitely not true nowadays. My house suffers from a lot of ], and my family has been trying to use ] to try and stop them. Strong substance, perhaps, but definitely useful. ] (]) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::I only use the poison in the house- behind stove, fridge, and washing machine. Fortunately they leave before dying. ] (]) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::I use road flares in their burrows outdoors. Close up as many holes as you can find except one, light the road flare and stick it fire side in and cover it up. Carbon monoxide takes care of it. Keeping livestock I have a significant rat population outside that I have to keep in check. As for inside, cats. ] (]) 18:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::{{ec}} Like Cullen, we too live in a rural area. Fortunately, we haven't had any rats (one bat, though - and that was horrible), but we do have mice. Don't know if they'll work with larger rodents, but we leave sticky traps for the mice in our garage, and, thus far, that keeps them out of the house, killing them before they can enter.--] (]) 18:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::Is that better than roaches, {{U|Bbb23}}? ] (]) 19:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::::You'd think an indoor pit bull would prevent rats. She does not. ] (]) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::::Need a ratter, not a big dog. My little lady kills quite a few rats outside. ] (]) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::::Mice are stupid and don't get too trap averse. Much more difficult to trap rats long term. With mice I've found a bucket trap to be very effective. A 5 gallon bucket with a ramp leading to the top. Fill it halfway with water, then cover the water with sunflower seeds. The mice climb up and hop in to get the seeds and can't get out. ] (]) 19:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::::I do think cats make good pets too. They're good at catching mice and rats, as well as defeating snakes. I'm sure the reaction time of a cat is about 20-44 milliseconds compared to a snake which has like 44-70 milliseconds. I also think that cats are the general predator of snakes. But staying on topic, I do feel like it would be best to have a cat as a pet (I certainly don't have a cat, though) for catching rats. ] (]) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


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Hey drmies
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I just removed them can you please elaborate that why do you want black me ....Many of the books quoted are not even existing and any are typically biased of which one have no doubt lack of scholarly references --] (]) 10:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
*A quick look revealed that you were simply blanking content, including the entire lead, if I remember correctly. You may discuss this on the article talk page. I don't want to block you; I don't know why you would think that. But if you keep blanking content without proper discussion or explanation (many of your edit summaries were grammatically deficient and otherwise unclear) you will be blocked. Thank you, ] (]) 15:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


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*I was, ]?? I had no idea--I think that also shows that it would be good if more people got involved with it. I think the backlog is creeping towards 2,000 again. Anyway, thanks: I appreciate it! ] (]) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@], you probably wouldn't have been if we had an actual full year of data (that data is just from the last month or so). But if you kept up that same pace through the whole year... yeah, maybe you still would be. We truly need all the help we can get. -- ] (]) 18:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


== Season's Greetings ==
I think we should look at a few other moves by ] all done in good faith ..but ....looks like copy and pasting over proper moves. With a quick look I see ] pages are all messed up...the talk page history starts this month. -- ] (]) 17:30, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
*Hey Moxy--sorry, but I'm about to head out the door. A quick glance suggests that what they did was undone, but that was only a quick glance. What's this person doing? They need to stop. Thanks, ] (]) 17:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::Sounds good left him a note about moves...I am not an admin ..will need an admin looking at this page to review moves. -- ] (]) 17:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Run for it, then! ] (]) 17:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


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== Happy Holidays ==
For the Arbitration Committee, <font face="Papyrus" size="3" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 20:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)<br>
P.S. The total of 788 words does ''not'' include the collapsed portion of your statement.


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* Hey doc, am I allowed to giggle at this? :-) — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 21:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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::*Yeah Ched! All monks should wear the same cowls, to paraphrase a Dutch saying. ] (]) 22:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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*{{U|Liz}}, thank you. I hope I am less wordy now after some tweaks; taking out "Martin" saved me at least a dozen words. The collapsed part is a response to Hammersoft's question; I believe there is some precedent for leeway when diffs are asked for--as ArbCom knows, diffs should always come with an explanation.<p>If you think I'm still too wordy, I'll go dig up ArbCom's email address; I should have it somewhere. ] (]) 22:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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:::: Hey Liz - I do understand that, honest. It's just that given Drmies' absolute *love* of bureaucracy (/sarcasm) - I was having a good old chuckle to myself. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 22:11, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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'''Hello Drmies, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this ]. Spread the ] by wishing another user a ] and a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. <br />Happy editing,'''<br />
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:::::Cowls? Like this? (shades of ]) ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 22:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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== May Sinterklaas be good to you ... ==
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*Sandstein...that reminds me of a Novembery day some 25+ years ago in the ]... ] (]) 22:29, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::Well, think of my message this way: the next time (and there is ''always'' a next time) an editor complains that admins are not held to the same standards that apply to editors, you can use my comment as a diff to show them that even arbitrators have to follow the rules. Now do have a lovely weekend! <font face="Papyrus" size="3" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 01:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::*That next time has come and gone; it's probably brewing on ANI already. But where am I now with my word count? I don't mind trimming more. ] (]) 01:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::: says 660 not counting the hat. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 02:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::By my count your at 621 (as signatures aren't included). ] (])(]) 10:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


Please leave your wooden shoes out for him to fill with presents.
:::::: I have not counted the words spent on the question whether BWV 7 should be bolded ] (see talk - village pump - classical music). I am tedentious and insulting, DYK? I counted reverts: 4, {{diff|Christ unser Herr zum Jordan kam, BWV 7|706682143|706681808|one by me}}. --] (]) 13:54, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::*OMG. Please tell that it should be "fewer asides", not "less asides". "Its" for "its first performance" is totally unnecessary; the regular determiner is just fine. Second paragraph, "It is the third cantata..." adds a needless anticipatory "it" necessitating an extraposed subject. Having said that, I think his construction is better since it avoids "a cycle planned to contain", a not-so-strong phrase, and it had an incorrect comma (between "cantatas" and "based"). But I prefer to stay away from his discussions. ] (]) 15:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::* I fail to understand how not to bold the BWV number in a Bach cantata (almost a synonym for the piece, certainly for readers who couldn't pronounce the German title) would be any better for the reader. I understand even less how, when a bold edit such as changing that (in a GA!) is reverted, you don't go to discuss but insist your preferred version three more times. I don't quote what Ched called alphabet soup, normally, but almost regret that now: WP:BRD. Other letters were AGF. --] (]) 16:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::* I fail to understand why a section header "Movements" should be better than "Music", I reverted twice, feeling strongly that we shouldn't have any such technical term as a section header, - it's a standard across FAs and GAs on the topic as you saw as a reviewer. --] (]) 16:16, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::*:Oh, I think he just likes to mess with you. ] (]) 19:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::* What can I politely say to the proposal to take ] for an example? (You may he remember that he wanted ] merged to it.) Came after I suggested to take ] for a model. - We sang ] tonight, , --] (]) 20:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::* Nothing, I guess that much. Now he told a friend that she made only one edit to the article and that was a revert. I wonder how many edits/revert I would count. (<s>30/7</s> 33/8) - I'm not in the mood to let the article go the way of ]. - Singing the song of AGF to myself to myself to myself, can't hear myself. --] (]) 21:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::* Gerda - with all my respect, heart, and love, I quote a very dear friend: "Ignore, Ignore, Ignore." — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 22:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::* I hear ] and you. But - unlike the carol - it's not an isolated article. One of my ideas is: no word in the TOC that a lay reader may misinterpret (because there's no link to help). Here comes "Movements" for "Music", see above. That's just one example. I called 2016 the year of the reader, - I think of a reader unfamiliar with music terminology, perhaps even with English, and would like to keep things simple. End of ''Credo''. --] (]) 22:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
{{od}} ] — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 01:39, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:: For Easter, we'll sing "desiderat at fontes" (desires fresh water). I desire the fresh water of speaking of Music in the header of a musical composition, not Movements, a technical term, and the too narrow, - there's info well beyond it, often putting music in context with other pieces, ideas etc. --] (]) 11:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:: I'm making progress in ignoring. One of my favourite articles, ], was moved. (Also two others.) Ignored, almost. A discussion in which I mentioned that a requested link can be found in the (word not to mentioned, or no supper, see my talk), was called a discussion about (... or no supper), which therefore is ruled by arbitration, see "]". Ignored, almost. Just played a game for fun. --] (]) 22:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
:: Was I supposed to ignore the attempt to change the ] without a discussion? --] (]) 17:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:: Let's sing? I suggest: ]. Music was made here: ], - miss something in English, a stub would be better than nothing. --] (]) 17:09, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:: Trying to ignore that I am supposed to ], - going to sing for Easter, no, not ], but ], - no idea if Haydn meant the iwars (name not to be mentioned or no supper says ]). --] (]) 14:06, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


Have a good one, Doc, and thanks for filling our wiki-lives with cheer.
== False revert by you ==


Love, ] (]) 01:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
This is a mistake and careless revert by you. Did you check the cited sources? Did you read my message on talk page of article? The guys started edit war and falsified referenced content. Now you just restored wrong revision. --] (]) 23:28, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
*Oh ], that is very nice of you--thank you very much. I assume you set your shoe too? Don't forget to put a carrot in there, right? That reminds me: I'll be making oliebollen for New Year's. All the best to you and yours, and thanks for sticking around and helping out on our beautiful project. ] (]) 23:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*Take it up on the talk page. 24,226,940 is a ridiculously precise number. ] (]) 00:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
**Ah, ] are a new one on me! Here in Hawaii, we have a doughnutty thing called ]s, which are eaten all year round, just like ]! Have a great New Year! ] (]) 00:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


== About your block of Ayomikun445 ==
== Our reptilian friend ==


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I've just created ]. ] ] 12:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
*Doug, please don't compose headers like that again. I already have a hard enough time with mammals. ] (]) 13:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC) *I'm on it. ] (]) 15:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:*You are the one who posts jokes about snake habitat on "social media". Gotcha! ] ] 07:32, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
::*I'm giving voice to the underprivileged, Cullen. Feel the Bern? ] (]) 15:40, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


== Telstra-IP-socks. == == DCAU page ==


Hi! I'm currently engaged in an edit war with a user who believes that two films released in 2017 and 2019 are canon to an animated universe of TV shows from 1992-2006. I've provided multiple clear as day sources from the people who worked on these that show this isn't the case.
Here is a collection, ], is this enough for a ]? Cheers, ] (]) 16:41, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


You can read it here.
== 65.186.95.8 + 99.249.130.248 ==
https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:DC_Animated_Universe#Article_Cleanup ] (]) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*I tried to read that: it's clear as mud. But yes you are in the middle of an edit war, and you really need to stop. If you want that talk page discussion, and your editing career, to go anywhere, you might could try making smaller edits and explaining them on the talk page--briefly, with sources. ] (]) 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*Blanking your talk page is not a good idea. ] (]) 23:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*], is this your only account? ] (]) 23:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Yes. I had a previous account a while back that I lost my password too.
*:The person who I'm having an edit war with literally went and removed my sources, while his sources are non-existent or incredibly flimsy. ] (]) 20:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== With respect to Bai Jingting ==
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Hi, I seen few deletion, need clarity to improve.
Found two IP socks of {{user|Renameduser024}}. Continued harrassment on the same users' talk page. ] (]) 00:41, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
1. For Philanthropic activity the source 8th line mentions artist name, need to understand why the source is doubtful.
*97.95.216.105 was NOT vandalizing. ] (]) 02:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
2. If "features" is wrong vocabulary could it be replaced with other word? As new writer I observed many articles already accepted those details from years. Need to understand how to represent here with proper writing. ] (]) 20:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*Not every time someone is mentioned in some competition they're "featured". If someone is featured it means they get a special placement, and there is no evidence at all that this is what is happening here. Yes, it's a buzzword now used for every guest performance and appearance, and we need to fight back, like linguistic warriors. I don't really know what you mean with "source 8th line", but if you're talking about , it's pretty obvious to me that that gossipy glossy website is NOT an acceptable, neutral, independent source for BLPs. Thanks, ] (]) 16:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
**Thanks for the reply. For Philanthropic activity link <ref>{{Cite web |title=持续更新！汪峰章子怡林志玲黄晓明等为河南暴雨捐款 |url=https://ent.ifeng.com/c/883OdhBmV5C |access-date=2024-12-17 |website=ent.ifeng.com |language=zh}}</ref> was used. 8th line suggest artist donation towards natural disaster. It was removed stating doubtful. If we mention actual ranks of few listings, instead of "feature" I hope it's fine provided link attached is not from gossip site and provides enough evidence. ] (]) 23:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
***What 8th line? I see five lines, and then some weird image that took me 26 clicks on "Page Down" to get through--and then there's comments. Anyway, I see his name is mentioned, along with dozens of others, on a website that at best looks like a gossipy site for fans of entertainers. Whatever that site is, it's not publishing journalism; please see ]. How much did he even give? Or did the record company give a few bucks in his name, to add to his resume? Who knows? ] (]) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
***Oh you mean the seventh line of that picture with a list of donors--who knows what that picture is, and what its authority is. Again, that's not how we operate here. It's too easy to manipulate pictures, and there's no source or context--"according to incomplete statistics" actually expresses part of the problem well. ] (]) 02:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


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== Ontario Civil Liberties Association ==


== You are being discussed here ==
There is an ANI at ] regarding editing at ]. As you have edited the article in the past you may have some experience that you can share regarding the issue. ] (]) 14:39, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


] ] ] 16:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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*Very exciting, Doug--thanks! ] (]) 19:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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*** A tremendous amount of truly reprehensible stuff does happen on this talk page. However, in my opinion, none thus far had been quite so egregious as using the word "revenant". That said, I myself understood the word immediately by way of it being the true and accurate translation from the Danish of the title of Ibsen's '']''. -- ] (]) 05:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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****Hey I just learned a new word. ] (]) 16:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
|text = On ], ''']''' was updated with a fact from the article ''''']''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that in 2013, ] listed ''']''' as one of the "20 Young Power Women in Africa"?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Vera Songwe|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Vera Songwe|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>(], )</small>, and it may be added to ] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the ].
**** Well, {{yo|Softlavender}}, a joke explained is not much of a joke. But what I meant by using the word was precisely a reference to the Danish sense in that the ghost of the quite dead argument had been revived by a (now blocked) user who started the (now closed) discussion. Let us hope for the new year that the argument inappropriately raised from the dead remains in the grave to which it was returned and that no further sticks are raised. Heaven forfend that I should post reprehensible stuff on this hallowed site. ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 14:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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*Thanks {{U|Coffee}}! And thanks {{U|Rosiestep}} and all the other redlinked women editors! ] (]) 15:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC) *****Let the dead bury their dead. ] (]) 15:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== ]/] and others ==
== Question regarding your recent edit on OCLA ==


Thought they had given up and taken a new hobby, but nope... Here is this IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:67D4:8700:461:2CED:6508:F5E3), for instance continuing with the transfer speculation at ] (and reinserting their ref that "supported" ] winning the title last season by mentioning a ] match!!), duly reverted! Ah, with a completely polite and encyclopedical edit summary, so let's see what their reply will be (because they WILL reinstate their version again!)...
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Happy 2025, take care ] (]) 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
== Request for Comment: Marco Rubio ==


Edit warring started already, please intervene (you or somebody) ASAP! --] (]) 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
There is an ongoing RfC at ] which you may care to weigh in on. <span style="border:2px solid #d69d36; background:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;&nbsp;''']''' ]</span> 15:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
*OOOOOOOOOOOOOH really. Well, that should be fun! Thanks! ] (]) 15:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC) *], ], can you please have a look, given your experience with ]? Thanks, ] (]) 19:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*], I found another one (User:Lazaric12), and removed some of that awful content. Take care old friend! ] (]) 16:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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OGTurin was created by Castalia Communications at 16:10 UTC with a stupid comment. That's what you get for your nice soft block. I'ma watch that user. ] &#124; ] 16:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC).
*Don't tell Bbb. He hates it when I soft-block. I looked through those edits and didn't see the user name pop up in them, so I did not have direct evidence of spamming. I see that it's in , though. ] (]) 19:16, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
**Well, I softblock in those situations too. I expect a little more gratitude, though! ] &#124; ] 19:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC).
***No good deed goes unpunished. If the doorbell rings tonight, it's probably the tulips I sent you. ] (]) 19:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
****Ah, I hear it now! (This is tonight here.) ]! ] &#124; ] 21:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC).
*****Bish, I'm in the Atlanta airport, on my way to deliver you the belated V-day roses. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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*Ha, Vegas? Sorry, that's not one of my usual haunts, but thanks for the note. Hey, is there such a list for Minneapolis? ] (]) 20:11, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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*Haha thanks, {{U|Mz7}}--and I just hit you with a +2! ] (]) 15:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{U|Bbb23}}, happy new year, and how is it that you are thanked more than me??? I thought I was the good cop! ] (]) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
**It's a conspiratorial ploy by the perps to cozy up to the bad cop.--] (]) 16:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
***Shoot I just thanked ] for an edit, and she was already ahead of me. ] (]) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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:::* As explained on my talk, I hope I do more real thank-you than lazy click-thanks ;) - Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). --] (]) 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::* ], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::* My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


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== Mail ==
You've been around the block a few times on wrestling articles, haven't you? I've got two here, ] and ] that seem to be fan-generated lists of matches. The problem is I can't easily think of a CSD criteria that they fall under, A7 doesn't really apply to lists of things, A11 is difficult as what exactly was "made up" isn't easily demonstratable given the sea of bluelinks in the article, same for G3 and A1. So they're sitting out the full week at PROD or AfD, which I think is a bit of a timewaste as I can't see any possible way these fanlists will ever be of encyclopedic importance. Have you got any ideas other than just letting the AfDs run their course? ] ] ] 11:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
*Not offhand, no. Sometimes fan articles are copyvios. For that list, you could argue A1 since the title of the article is so...vague (to put it nicely), but it takes semantics to explain why, and the moment you have to do that the "speedy" part is really out of the equation. Wait--what? This is a list of matches played by gamers? Sorry, I thought this was real rasslers duking it out. Well, the AfD will close with a SNOW rationale (funny since I walked around in the snow this morning--hello Minnesotaaaaaaa!), but it makes you wonder--do we have to make up CSD categories for a whole bunch more things? "Doesn't serve importance" is also semantically and otherwise challenged, but it gets to the heart of the matter, just not in bureaucratically acceptable terms. That Raw x/xx/xx article, I think A1 applies. What is it about? ] (]) 06:57, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
== ArbCom case request ==


== Edits to Columbia High School (New Jersey) ==
], a case request in which you are involved, has been ] as unready for arbitration at this time. For the Arbitration Committee, ]] 21:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
*Thanks, ]. Wanna have coffee tomorrow? From Minneapolis, ] (]) 06:58, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


The article for ] definitely needs additional sources and has to some issues of tone addressed. There are sources about the school available to update many of the issues you highlighted. ] (]) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Drmies, the Arbcom case has been declined because they believe that further dispute resolution is required. Most of the uninvolved editirs who commented on the case page (namely Mangoe, Resolute, Softlavender, Snow Rise, and Martinp) believe that there is a significant POV problem on the page. It does not seem right that I will have to participate in this resolution with a topic ban. I therefore ask you if you would be prepared to lift this ban so that I can take part in the dispute resolution proposed by Arbcom, whatever form it may take. ] (]) 15:06, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
*Happy New Year, {{U|Alansohn}}. I hope there are, and I hope they're grrrreat. That article was a bit excessive. ] (]) 00:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::*You can ask for that at AN, which was always the first place to go to anyway. The ArbCom request was just a waste of time, though I imagine you started that to get more editors to look at the subject matter. When you do go to AN, please get it right. You are not topic banned as much as you are banned from abusing the talk page; the conditions of your ban are laid out on your talk page. I'm not quite sure why you keep misreading what I wrote, Martin. Maybe all those editors will support your being abuse-banned, though I think you need to understand that your participation on the talk page is not necessarily necessary to reach a neutral article, to put it mildly. I think you still don't understand that your presence was seen as disruptive. Good luck. ] (]) 21:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
:::*Have you had a good look at the talk page history rather than just taking the word of the vegan regulars? I was not ''abusing'' the talk page I was ''using'' it, for exactly the purpose intended; to discuss article content rather than edit warring. I was not a lone tendentious editor pushing a personal opinion (i was not even the ditor who wrote the most), I was supporting what a majority of editors have said for years. At least one independent editor at the Arbcom case challenged you to show just one instance of disruption and you failed to do so. On the other hand the page in full of uncivil behaviour and personal attack sby other editors which you completely ignored.


== Sockpuppet ==
::::I am sure that you must realise that there is little chance of an admin reversing a ban made by an arbcom member so you are essentially abusing your position as a member of the most powerful group in Misplaced Pages to enforce you personal opinion rather than WP policy, which clearly supports my actions.


Got someone editing as an IP to escape a block and complain at the Teahouse. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Please do tell me what I should do to help reach a neutral article. Should I edit war, because everything I have tried to do has been immediately reverted by the regulars? Should I try an RfC? I tried that and got nowhere. How about civil discussion )now with one hand tied behind my back). I tried that and got banned (your words, you wrote 'Topic ban on Talk:Veganism'). ] (]) 23:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
:Nevermind, they got globally blocked literally ''the'' minute I sent this lol. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::The ban wasn't an ArbCom ban. I have no doubt plenty of admins don't mind overturning an arbie. "Essentially abusing" is nonsense, and I think it's also an abuse of the word "essentially". You keep harping on this "your personal opinion" bit: this was a community ban. Read the discussion. We're going around in circles. This is why people wanted your contributions limited. This is why they had a point. ] (]) 16:45, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::It was not a community ban, look at all the comments on the page. There was roughly an equal number who opposed the ban. What exactly have I done wrong except to disagree? Is that now an offence on WP? ] (]) 23:49, 7 March 2016 (UTC) ::Oh, it's that one again. So boring. I wonder what their New Year's resolutions include. Haha, "this year I'm going to look for North Korean proxies". Good luck! ] (]) 00:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::"Resolution 1: Complain about being banned on a website for almost 7 hours" ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::It was a community ban because it was not an ArbCom ban (though you cleverly suggested that!) or an individual admin ban and it followed on what I established to be a consensus at the discussion. If you don't understand that that's what a community ban is, well. What you have done wrong there "except to disagree", let's see, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU A FEW DOZEN TIMES BY NOW. Kindly don't come back here again unless you found a new record to play. That's a metaphor, but please take it literally. ] (]) 00:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
::::I actually forgot how long it's been. Has it been a year? Ah--I blocked User:MidAtlanticBaby indefinitely on June 18. I see they're now actually banned by the Foundation: I don't know if you know this, but you have to go REALLY crazy to get banned by the Foundation. ] (]) 00:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah, definitely didn't know that...{{pb}}Also, this has been going on for MONTHS? ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Yes. When I say "childish" I mean it. This is likely a somewhat grown person with a driver license and the right to vote, who could be watching Georgia play football and make soup for their family and walk the dog. Instead, they're harassing a bunch of people including one who had nothing to do with them getting their dumb ass blocked. But they know some shit about proxies and whatnot and now they're just being cute, hoping to get caught and get attention. ] (]) 00:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Well, now whenever I feel down I'll just remember I'm way happier with my life than MidAtlanticBaby! Thanks for this Misplaced Pages lore Drmies. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== 120.21.0.0/16 ==
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Hi, would you consider unblocking this IP range? I don't want to, both because I'm unsure of the situation, and because I'm a little bit involved — it includes the address I'm using for the wireless network at my local public library. I don't understand the reason for the block, since you blocked it almost a month after the latest edit appearing at ], and there are no deleted contributions. ] (]) 05:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Really badly sourced and I thought you should know about it. There's still a reptilian agenda as he uses David Icke's forum as a source. Might need some shiny OS tools. ] ] 19:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
*Hey {{U|Nyttend}}--I blocked the range because of one particular sock, who by now has created 215 accounts that we blocked and tagged, in a little over a year. There were two from that range that, looking at the block, were my immediate reason for the block, and since then it's been much quieter. Let me email you, lest I drop BEANS all over the place. ] (]) 14:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
**Thanks for the response. This response makes sense, and the email was great; thank you. ] (]) 19:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Offensive username == == Advice needed ==


How can I convince user:Sky258 that, per ], airport connections need independent sources? Nearly all his/her are unsourced and reverted. Warnings did not help but blocking seems over the top. Do you have any ideas? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I did notice it and reported it. ] (]) 19:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
*Thx. ] (]) 19:37, 7 March 2016 (UTC) *Hmm I disagree: they were warned by multiple editors, and the content is unsourced. I was going to ask about talk page consensus, but there is project-wide consensus... ] (]) 22:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Okay. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Reply == == Football sock ==


Not college football, but still... See ]. I agree with GS and don't know why others are defending the user (casting aspersions indeed). Creating an RfA...doing so many moves it makes me dizzy...leaving trolling messages for other users... I'm on the edge of blocking myself for disruption, but a check would be helpful. Thanks.--] (]) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I read everything posted on my talkpage. The person that I did not reply to did not sign his post, so I had no way of knowing who he was. Posts are only deleted after they are read, as to save up space on my talkpage. I am sorry for any misunderstandings or problems caused by this, but any policy guideline or rule I may have broken I did not know about. When I was informed of this I immediatly sought to remedy my mistake. I apologise for any trouble you may have been caused. ] (]) 20:45, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
:The ANI discussion has derailed into a discussion about whether Footballnerd2007 is using LLM, which they clearly are, but the user is choosing, unwisely, to wikilawyer, and GS, also unwisely, is trying to "nail" them. I thought about hatting it, but it's so rapid and I'm not sure where exactly I'd hat it. Oh, btw, another on my list above - read the user's Talk page - it's a cornucopia of warnings.--] (]) 22:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*OK, {{U|Ethanlu121}}, if that's how you wish to communicate, I am going to have to ask you to stop doing things like patrolling Recent changes and new articles. Basically you do not seem willing or able to communicate. There is no need to save space on your talk page; look at how beautiful mine is. You can archive instead of delete. But most of all, IF PEOPLE TALK TO YOU, PLEASE RESPOND. As for that user--how can you claim you didn't know who that was? All you had to do was check the history. Instead you just revert. And that you don't know how to check: if you don't know that, you shouldn't be nominating things for speedy deletion where frequently you have to check histories.<p>You have done some good work and that's appreciated, but you're going to have to be more collaborative and communicative if you want to succeed in this collaborative venture. Thank you, ] (]) 00:04, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
::What a mess. That got out of hand quickly--I'm also not happy with the alien's response. A check was run on the user, and I guess it showed nothing... ] (]) 15:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks. They are now being "mentored".--] (]) 18:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Drmies, alien was obviously not trying to defend the user (you can tell through certain, subtle signs, such as the use of a face palm emoji and the phrase "You're not helping your case right now"), they were trying to de-escalate things. Is this really how you want to treat them? ] (]) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but I don't know what prompted this, and I certainly don't understand that last, loaded question. Did I say that they were trying to "defend" the user? Where? What you could to is ask what I meant, if you're really interested in me and what I think. ] (]) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


==DEAREST ADMIN (LOL)== ==Mail call==
{{ygm}} I stopped e-mailing you long ago, since it always bounced, but perhaps it may be worth trying again? ] &#124; ] 09:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
<s>Seriously though, could you take a look , please. It was '''my''' screw-up for the reasons stated in the speedy delete request. If you could delete, I'd appreciate it so I can remove it from my watch list. Thanks. ] 22:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</s>
*YES. I've been so lonely! ] (]) 15:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::: Never mind. ] took care of it. Thanks anyway. ] 22:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Wait--so I'm not dearest? Come on... ] (]) 23:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::DYK that "Dearest Admin" is an anagram for both "Dreamed Saint" and "Damned Satire"? It's a fact!--]<sup>]</sup> 00:06, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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== Administrators' newsletter – January 2025 ==
== Peyton Manning ==


] from the past month (December 2024).
I appreciate your attempts to help us improve this article. I have found it very difficult to work collaboratively in that environment. Please don't give up! However I'd bet you have a certain COI regarding Manning as a Bama fan ;) ] (]) 14:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
*I don't really want to look at that page now. Please tell me good news, if there ever is. The choice is between a separate article and nothing at all? That's not a choice. BTW, I was always a Manning supporter, even then. RTR, ] (]) 18:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
::Unfortunately I had to bring the issue to . I tried to discuss this with ParkH.Davis multiple times, but enough is enough. ] (]) 23:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


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Hola, thanks for dealing with the edit-warring from {{noping|184.88.43.62}}. I wasn't sure if was directed at me or not. I didn't block them because I'd expressed an opinion on content at ], and I thought that disqualified me from adminning on them per ]. I'm still trying to figure out what does and doesn't qualify as involved. It's one of those things: If I screw up a lot, I'll find out faster, but I also don't want to screw up a lot. :) ] (]) 20:54, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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...here (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:2001:8A0:7648:6001:78E8:BCD7:2FB9:C7D5&diff=cur)! My IP changed after the pertinent TV/internet service overhaul. Is there anyway to spread the word around (for future contacts with users I collaborate with and respect) without having to message people "door-to-door"?
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And the reply to the technicality? If it isn't possible (and I just noticed that, before I went to dinner and shut computer down, I had already used this IP https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:7648:6001:F9D8:70C0:667E:CDDF, so I'm "afraid" it's a dynamic one), i'll create another account, much more practical for me and overall. --] (]) 21:27, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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*Problem (hopefully) solved (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:GiantSnowman#I.27m_ready) --] (]) 21:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
* Following ], ] was adopted as a ].
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] '''Arbitration'''
Close, but no cigar, this is me I suppose (https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Be_Quiet_AL) --] (]) 22:20, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
* Following the ], the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: {{noping|CaptainEek}}, {{noping|Daniel}}, {{noping|Elli}}, {{noping|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{noping|Liz}}, {{noping|Primefac}}, {{noping|ScottishFinnishRadish}}, {{noping|Theleekycauldron}}, {{noping|Worm That Turned}}.
*OK Al--you can be my long-lost pal. ] (]) 03:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


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== Good evening, Dr ==
* A ] is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the ]. ]


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Greetings from old 99. Off and on for the last few hours (when not cooking dinner and other prosaic stunts) I've been occupied with a series of awful biographies courtesy of a meetup . A number of the articles are about artists and teachers associated with--surprise--University of Regina. Any assistance you or talk page stalkers can provide, if only in the form of extra eyes, will be appreciated. Cheers, ] (]) 03:14, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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*Ah dinner. Yes, I just got to sit down after a whole lot of that and a stack of homework. Let's see. ] (]) 03:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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*Oh, "SK" is some place in Canada. As it happens, I was in Canada this past weekend, but the real expert is {{U|Kelapstick}}, of course, himself a notable woman artist and scholar. ] (]) 03:26, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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::I mention 'cooking dinner' only out of unmerited pride. 99 never does any real cooking, but Mrs. 99 is still recuperating from surgery nearly four weeks ago, and since then I've been taking care of business. Even did a spot of painting this morning, just to pretend I still know how. ] (]) 03:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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::*Alright, undid one CSD nomination already. ] (]) 03:46, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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::::And good work at that. I was mostly swimming the other direction, but one of the good things about consulting those whom you respect is that you don't mind being contradicted. If you see any more worth saving that I marked as dubious, my compliments. ] (]) 03:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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== FORDROCKEFELLER1974 ==
Drmies,


See {{UTRS|98810}}. The claim is that Bishonen allowed a new account to be created, in comments over at ]. What are your thoughts? Note that I have ''not'' looked at the checkuser technical data and... am dubious... --] (]) 23:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
You say , "if there is a real account, the editor shouldn't be outside of article space, or so I'm told." My situation is that I do have an account, but several years ago decided to stop using it and since then have edited without logging in. I certainly have no intention to deceive and, as far as I am aware, have always complied with the ]. Where did the information come from that I shouldn't be editing outside of article space without logging in? If this is the policy then I will gladly comply with it. ] (]) 18:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
*Ha, yes, but Bish said that before I had a looked and confirmed that Looney had logged in (and I just checked again, to make sure). I can't read the VRT (I still can't log in) so I don't know what the "compromised" thing was, but this is socking going back to 2021. ] (]) 02:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*I figured it was something like that. My comment was based on two things--one, I was actually told that, by a representative of the mysterious entity known as ArbCom, a few years ago, and two, reference was made to ], specifically ], "Editing project space". That discussion, in turn, points ]. What that precisely means is unclear, IMO. But if it is true that you have left your old account by the wayside and don't use it, then there should be no problem. I could ping a random user and see what they think...I spun the magic 8-ball and it proudly displayed the name {{U|Carcharoth}}! BTW, I hope you understand I'm not trying to cause trouble for you--if you're socking illegitimately trouble will happen anyway, and if you're not it's all good. Happy editing, ] (]) 18:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:*My understanding of those links is that the prohibition applies to the use of alternate accounts, ''i.e.'' to editing while logged in under a different id from normal, rather than that to editing without logging in at all, but please let me know if Carcharoth's interpretation is different. ] (]) 19:09, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::*I understood it that way too, but I think in all these cases we should consider that "not logging in at all", that is, editing as an IP, is to be understood as using an alternative account. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I think this is what ArbCom's opinion was two years ago. Thanks, ] (]) 19:12, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::*This is leaving me in a bit of a limbo here. I would like to contribute to some discussions, but don't know whether I am allowed to. Would that issue be resolved if I was to email you my former user id, so my editing without logging in would not be undisclosed, per that policy? The problems with that are that I might not necessarily notice if my ISP changes my IP address, or I might edit away from home, in which case we would be back to square one. I can't believe that a years-old decision to stop logging in should forbid me for ever from taking part in any discussions. ] (]) 20:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
::::*Hey, it's not my idea, haha. I'm fine with you partaking in discussions; you seem like a pretty reasonable person. I mean IP. I mean person behind the IP. Look, if "account" is to mean "IP" as well, then Arbcom could approve an IP address (or range of addresses, I suppose--that's not a big deal) as a legitimate alternate account. But I don't know if we need to go that far--pity we didn't hear back from Carcharoth. Tell you what, I'll see if I have the email address for ArbCom somewhere here, under my carpet or in the dustbin. Hold on--this may take a while; they're HORRIBLY slow. ] (]) 20:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::*This is a lot more reading than I would prefer to read on a Thursday, however, if the account is effectively abandoned (i.e unused), and you edit under an IP now, than whatever. IPs are permitted to edit project space, and the fact that you used to edit under an account doesn't matter. As long as you aren't using both the account and the IP (or another account) simultaneously. Unless I am missing something. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 21:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::*:Right--thanks K--the "simultaneous" part is operative too. ] (]) 22:26, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::*Thank you both for your help, particularly on a Thursday, of all days. I'll continue editing as normal unless and until I hear that I shouldn't do so. ] (]) 22:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::*:Kelapstick is a foreigner, so maybe for him it's different--I like Thursday cause I don't have to teach tomorrow. I could tell you what the little birdies are tweeting, but I'll wait until a significant number of Wise Old Owls have spoken their peace in the Parliament of Fowls. ] (]) 22:44, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::*To be fair, I have little concept of days of the week any more. Or of weekends for that matter. As it is when one does rotational work. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 22:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


== ] ==
== Speedy deletion nomination of ] ==


Perhaps you could take a look at this - a new but prolific ip with all the jargon. Possible returning sock? Greatly concerned about the reputation of Philip II of Spain. Cheers, ] (]) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello Drmies,
*{{U|Johnbod}}, there is a copious amount of logged-out editing there, though I don't see direct evidence of them using IPs to circumvent policy--but that the same person is editing without logging in is indisputable (and I warned them), so that leaves the actual IPs. In many cases the logged-out editing is from VPNs that have been blocked before, by ]--who I see is retired? What is this world coming to... So I'm not exactly sure what to do, since that's not really my cup of tea, and ] isn't very insightful. I see ] is running that but they are not a CU, and it's at least three or four different ranges. ], if you know how to handle them, can you have a look and do what's right on those ranges? Yes, Philip II is certainly well worth our time. Thanks, ] (]) 04:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Do you have a second? ==
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged ] for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.


Could you walk me through reassigning user rights? I've discovered some PGAME at ] and I blocked them while I redo the user rights. Sorry, I've not done much of this. I've got Special:UserRights/54rt678 open. ] (]) 04:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can <span class="plainlinks">''''''</span>, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.


You can leave a note on ] if you have questions. ] (]) 18:30, 9 March 2016 (UTC) :The user has 509 edits, and 250 of them were done three days ago on the linked sandbox. ] (]) 04:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*], did you notify the "real" creator? ] (]) 18:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC) ::Do I merely uncheck, leave a reason and save (and watch)? Just something I haven't seen done recently. ] (]) 04:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
** According to the history, you are the creator. If you feel someone else should know about the tag, please feel free to inform them. ] (]) 18:40, 9 March 2016 (UTC) :::It was so simple I figured it out myself, but I needed another editor to reassure me. Don't mind doing the job, but am sometimes nervous about affecting someone unduly. ] (]) 05:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
***Take it easy, ]--I was just wondering if you actually read the history. ] (]) 18:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC) ::::Sure thing. That editor is headed for an indef: incompetence mixed with promotional editing. ] (]) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Not a very mature approach, granted. Hey, this morning I welcomed (after I reverted) a user who'd in Caleb Williams's article. It will get weirder than that... ] (]) 14:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
** I didn't initially understand what you were trying to do. Now that you've cleaned the article up, I'll leave it alone. ] (]) 18:53, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
***I'd rather you help me out--I hate writing biographies and I don't care for gaming, but it seems {{U|Yngvadottir}} and {{U|Newuser9001}} are otherwise occupied. ] (]) 18:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC) ::::::At least they apologized. I really loathe those kinds of edits, though not as much as the "daddy" variation. ] (]) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Among their last 4 edits, two were adding commas to TP's post. Looking at that I'm not sure why we would trust them to edit any longer. ] ] 14:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe, ], but I found nothing--I was thinking of various returning nuisances but saw no evidence. Wait and see, I think. ] (]) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::I tried to make it as plain as I could to the PGAMER that all their edits would be under close observation henceforth. If they can't ''hold themselves'' accountable, how can we? ] (]) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Ha, is that a rhetorical question? ] (]) 17:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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== ]/] ==
*I think this is the first gaming-related article I've worked on here. But I think I've done all I can for both Amber Daltons at this point. People who know about printmaking (and Saskatchewan) and video game "clans" (and whether we can legitinmately use someone's LinkedIn as her official external link - I went for the MySpace instead, ignoring the Google+ because one has to have ''some'' standards), please, please take over while I go to bed. ] (]) 20:31, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
**Same here. Notability, if it exists, is marginal for ] and ]--unless {{U|Rosiestep}} or {{U|Keilana}} have access to the secret files... ] (]) 15:08, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
***I think ] is safe. The news coverage goes very deep, and the majority are more than mere mentions. It would help if her tournament wins were documented somewhere where I could find them, but I don't understand more than a smidgen of what games she plays, even. (By the way I felt compelled to create ].) Concerning ], I'm less sanguine; as I put in an edit summary, I think the sources are mostly really about Articulate Ink: there are 3 acceptable sources about the collective as a whole (possibly four if that photo originally came from an article I haven't found), all of which give her only passing mention as one of the four: one of those links to a bio of her, but it is the collective that was "artist of the month". I'd suggest redirecting it to that title and adding what can be gleaned about the other 3 members, plus the material on the history of the collective that I left out. I don't see evidence that she has really exhibited widely enough to be notable with this little press coverage, but I think the collective squeaks by. ] (]) 15:43, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
::::I can't find my keys to the secret files -I think they were washed away by the tsunami- but there's a chance that {{u|Megalibrarygirl}} knows where there might be a spare set. --] (]) 02:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


Returned to ] AGAIN, with that nonsensical ref about a BENFICA match for a SPORTING championship win (reverted it on the spot)! I guess the rest can stay (should you see that the sources are appropriate, if not remove it), will duly compose it (i.e. Style of play section) when i get home.
== Template edit you might want to get in on ==


Attentively ] (]) 19:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
After seeing what you did to Twitch.tv, I thought it would make more sense in the infobox as Key People. As that doesn't exist in the template currently, ]. ] <small><sup>(] - ])</sup></small> 20:03, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
*My problem with the infobox is that, first of all, we have a tendency to list everyone, and second, that tendency means typically an infobox is flooded. As far as I'm concerned there shouldn't be more than three or four people in any of those boxes. In this case, I have no idea if this person is a key person in the organization or not; I am much more in favor of ''not'' having more such parameters in the infobox. Thanks for the note, ] (]) 02:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== Good grief ==

You go to add a couple of categories to an article such as ], and dang! Scary template! We really can be downright unfriendly around here. I've been around here for a while, and, as I said, was just doing some category gnoming, and that made me hesitate a minute. <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>]</span> 05:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
*Oh, you mean the DS one? Yeah, that's pretty scary. I rarely see them--I edit only innocent material. Nice to see you, by the way, and thanks for that user name block earlier. ] (]) 05:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
**Good to be seen. :) Yeah, that name and the associated behavior were repulsive. <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>]</span> 05:47, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== Possible spam ==

This page does not appear appropriate. ] (]) 04:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
:{{tps}} Why? It's a draft ] work in progress and it can use some work, particularly with ]. It has one source now, whcih may or may not be considered a reliable, third party source. Notability and other issues can be address via ]. Am I missing something? ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 15:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
:*I agree with Glane. Thanks, ] (]) 16:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

== Nomination of ] for deletion ==
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== We have our answer and it's disappointing. ==


Too bad. Anyone who's willing to take the time to crawl through articles and fix the grammar is worth their weight in gold. Oh well.] (]) 22:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
*Yep. Thanks for the note. I hope I don't have to be back on that talk page with my Massive Admin Hat on. Then again--very frequently those outbursts signify a lack of real interest in our beautiful project to begin with. I don't know. Thanks again, ] (]) 01:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
::He came back with a bunch of unsourced (and very unencyclopedic) edits to ] and ]. I fixed what I could and removed what I couldn't.] (]) 16:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Maybe you should run for admin and throw out some blocks! ] (]) 16:35, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
:::And I hope you won't hate me for . ] (]) 16:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Nah, it's cool.] (]) 16:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== "]" ==
]
This article is at AfD. It strikes me as wrong-headed to assume that if there is no article about a book, a single poem from it is unlikely notable. I'm trying to find some things to beef up the article, and am finding many mentions, but not much in depth. Since this is more your bailiwick, any suggestions? <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>]</span> 01:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
*Depends on the book. ''Dichters van deezen tijd'' is not notable, but "Jeux innocents" might be. Ah, ]--can't believe I wrote all of that! And that I still remember the lines from the poem, after 35 or more years: "Wij speelden pandje met ons leven, ik had mijn hart als pand gegeven." I'm sure {{U|The Banner}} goes to sleep reciting her melancholy lines. ] (]) 01:35, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

:{{tps}} Out of curiosity I skimmed the article on ]. In the Biography section it says that for a while her father was "the ambassador for Portugal". What does that mean? Shouldn't it be "the Dutch ambassador to Portugal" (or the Portuguese ambassador to the Netherlands)? &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;] (]) 20:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:*Makes you wonder who wrote that... ] (]) 17:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
::*Consul Geral, sem ordenar for the Portuguese. ] (]) 17:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:*], I lifted that from the Dutch wiki. There is a ton of material at entry.<p>After browsing around more, I added another source, and I think I am going to make the bold claim that a consul doesn't need to be a citizen of the country he's consuling for; it may be he was an honorary consul. Our article/section, ], doesn't specify that, but the Dutch article, ], does--I can't seem to link that Dutch article to the English section (or the redirect). Since the Dutch sources don't specify more than "consul", I have to roll with it. Thanks, ] (]) 18:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Hello, How are you? ==

How are yo- Wait don't bite me!! <nowiki>:(</nowiki> ] (]) 21:41, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
*Sure. ] (]) 15:17, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

==Reverts on article Tito by Tuvixer==
Hello, I must confess that I am running out of options. In spite of the consensus found on the insertion of a mention about the repression of political opponents in the lead of the article Tito, Tuvixer continues to remove the reference. In a nutshell, it is impossible to add the smaller (whatever is the amount of sourcing) negative mention about Tito. Even mentioning that Tito repressed the political opponents is impossible. We are clearly facing an issue of ] here. I appreciate that Tuvixer's behavior might not deserve to be reported to ANI, but on the other hand this user is exceedingly problematic. What should we do?--] (]) 10:41, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Read this please: Tnx --] (]) 10:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

:{{tpw}} Probably worth pointing out to the good Doktor that you are both having exactly the same conversation on ]. True, he's not an admin; but be aware of ]. Ciao. ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 11:15, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::You see Fortuna, I think I am dreaming. Tito's dictatorship lasted 38 years, people went to jail and executed. There was only one authorized party. And it is so difficult to write that political opponents were repressed? ] (]) 12:11, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
*Did you follow {{U|Robert McClenon}}'s advice? A better, sharper RfC is the first order of business, I think. Write up a very specific one, for a specific edit, with specific sources provided. BTW, my admin status has very little relevance here--if it's not ANI worthy, there's nothing for me to do, unless you want to send me the $40 to just invent a reason to block. Good luck, ] (]) 15:15, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::<small>''Forty bucks???'' Sorry pal; in the private sector, it's payment by results!</small>] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 22:51, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Query... ==

What the hell does "woman's book" mean in "The only source attached was a woman's book, titled ''Archie, Peyton, and Eli Manning: Football's Royal Family''." (from the ANI about Peyton Manning's page). I'm not sure what the hell that's supposed to mean but it'd be nice if someone asked why the OP insists on qualifying the source like that. ] - ] 12:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
*Wait--what? Did I miss that? Well now. Ealdgyth, I will assume that you are not a French feminist of the older school, one who believes in ]? ] (]) 14:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
*{{U|Tracescoops}}, this was your word choice, and later on you kinda made it worse, "one source to verify it (the woman's book)". First of all--where do we start?--a book is a book. A published book is a published book. There is no possible reason to indicate the gender of the person who wrote it. Second, if there were, there's no contrasting man's book. Third, you got the title, so you can get the author: her name is Jeanne Nagle. Please try to write like it's 2016. Thanks, ] (]) 14:17, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== tag team ==

seems to be occurring at ] ] (]) 16:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Drmies. You reviewed I provided and said the proposed draft looks better "at a cursory glance." you suggested it may rely too heavily on local sources, so I culled through and removed most of the local sources, except in the "version history"-type section. It's been a month since the draft was shared and nobody else has chimed in. I wanted to just check-in and see if you were interested in considering the Request Edit and whether to do the merge. If you were only interested in commenting, I can poke around for someone else with a minute to take a look. ] (]) 16:10, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
*Well, I think you did a pretty nice job. I did not compare all the statements to the sources. I was interested in the ''Automotive News'' article--for a trade publication, they seem to be pretty balanced in their criticism and their reporting. As for that source and the article: the last comment in the lead. The source talks about the culture clash, sure, but I don't see where many employees are said to have left the place; it's the customer base that got culled. And later on, the phrase "something Brockman was known for doing"--I read that he "quickly earned a reputation" etc, suggesting that this was not he was already known for. Forgive me if I missed something. ] (]) 17:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

:::The body of the article had previously stated "Many employees left the firm as a result of the changes." This was cited to and was trimmed from the body when I culled through local sources. Since it's regarding only 45 employees, the number of departures are probably only of local significance for a co this size and Bizjournals is a very weak source. I've now trimmed it from the Lead as well. I thought I remembered reading that Brockman had that reputation before this company, but can't find it now. Trimmed that too! I was probably being overly cautious to preserve the criticisms in the current version, even though I had to use weak local sources to do so. ] (]) 18:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
::::If it's sourced in an earlier version and looks important, bring it back. For the lead, whether you take that statement out or not, I think it's a good idea to make a brief but generalizing statement about the company after the merger. Later, ] (]) 20:30, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== British Mk V Tanks in Berlin, 1945 ==

A bit of background for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:British_heavy_tanks_of_World_War_I#Mark_V_series_use_in_Berlin_1945
] (]) 16:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== scjessey ==

Replying here, because it seems the AE thread is going nowhere, and its probably best to just let it die. Replying because you mentioned me by name, and I don't want you to think im being frivolous. Regarding filibustering, I believe there is a pattern, though it is a subtle one, and I as always could be convinced otherwise. (Also, I should probably not throw stones quite so often)
* The redirect discussion is a fairly concise example. ]. Complains that "scandal" wording is only used by "right wing echo chamber", yet sources using that phrasing include Mother Jones, Slate, Atlantic, Time, Cnn, HuffPo, 538, NPR, etc.
* Another example from 1.5 months ago, the lead of the ] (and mirrored summary sections in ]) contained no mention that classified content was actually contained in her emails. This is months after the releases of redacted classified emails started coming out. All mention in the section/lead was reverted out. Scjessey repeatedly claimed such mention was a BLP violation. Huge talk page discussion, many sources, general (but not overwhelming) consensus Scjessey fights against. ] Eventually he asks for an outside ] (to his credit). Afterwards he drops the BLP objection, edits are made, stability is restored.
* In another example, he repeatedly argues when the head of every major intelligence agency gives the opinion that Clinton's server was insecure, and that it is ''likely'' that it was hacked by foreign governments (note, not actually hacked, just likely hacked) that those opinions are irrelevant, and that they are just political opponents (even though all 3/4 were Obama appointees) and that "none of these people have any expert knowledge of email servers or internet security" (In reference to the heads of the CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA,SecDef etc). Another huge thread ]. Eventually something like 8-1 against Scjessey comes out. Edits are made. Stability.

There are certainly POV violations that need to be nipped in the bud, but these are not them, and the fact that each of these took giant threads to insert one or two sentences each is ridiculous. ] (]) 17:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
*Maybe--but AE is where the case should be made. What always works against filers of cases is if the evidence presented is not the strongest evidence, so yes, that case is probably not going anywhere. And it's hard to win such a case if the involved edits are so caught up in the news cycle; in that respect, your (older) examples could help build a stronger case. But the bigger problem I see, and I noted that twice today, is the use of DS/arbitration for minor conflicts that are happening right now. Longterm ''patterns'', that's a different thing. ] (]) 18:08, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== AE and Advice ==

I don't appreciate being told that the only reason I'm bringing an AE action is because of my recent ban. That is what SJP is implying. So what advice exactly should I follow? I brought diffs which clearly shows a violation. (And yes, when I violated my ban I was blocked right away without any AE action, but Coffee is not on duty I guess.) Isn't that the purpose of AE, to bring possible violations to admin attention to seek action? Why would SJP say I should warrant a block? I have these pages on my watchlist, and just for the record, Chesdovi has brought three actions against me to ANI and to AN without notifying me. Why shouldn't I be upset? I am acting in good faith. I posted this AE action because his edits violate the TBAN and have nothing to do with my block. The only part of my block that is part of this action is that it's still there, but that's just how things are, but that is not why I brought it. I've been dealing with Chesdovi for ages, similarly to how others dealt with him for ages, there's a reason why he's indeffed from this area. I don't think SJP's comments are civil or in good faith at all. How did an AE action against Chesdovi suddenly become about me? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 03:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
*The advice to follow is to be careful. That means a bunch of things, like, don't just dump a paragraph on someone's talk page without saying hello. No one likes rudeness. You got blocked for saying something stupid at AE, so I can't help but wonder why you'd be back there so quickly. And what you're suggesting now is that you're filing this because you're upset.<p>I have no opinion on Chesdovi, whom I don't know very well, and I'm looking forward to hear from other admin--but one thing I'm missing here is some inkling of recognition that I may well agree with you on the basic subject matter. Another thing: your upsetness is not a very good reason to go to AE; the editing atmosphere in this area ought to be. In addition, you just had to get a shot in at Coffee? It's stuff like that that really antagonizes folks, and it will get you topic-banned from more areas, if you're not careful. I'm serious, Joseph, and I say this with your best interest at heart. ] (]) 03:19, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
*About you? It's not--you got one little paragraph. Also, BOOMERANG. If you file something it's always going to be about you. ] (]) 03:19, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::I'm upset not from Chesdovi, I filed the AE because he violated the TBAN and with him this is the only way it works. I, and quite a few others dealt with him for a few weeks when he was pushing a POV. I'm upset because SJP says the reason I brought the AE is from my ban, I already unwatched the page and I don't care that much. So it's upsetting that I now can't edit the way you're supposed to without fear. You are supposed to bring an AE when this happens. He edited 20+ cat changes, plus the move, plus bringing me to ANI without telling me, plus bringing me to AN and discussing the page without telling me, and where Nishidani told him my move was the correct move. That is why I'm a little peeved. I just don't know what else I am supposed to do. My shot at Coffee was a try at humor, sometimes you obviously can't tell sardonic wit when typing. I didn't mean anything of it. (It was my way of showing I'm over it, I'm already "joking" about his bannings,") ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 03:28, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, that shot at Coffee, I actually enjoyed it. No worries--I hope Coffee has a sense of humor too. But I'm telling you, arbitration is not to be engaged in lightly. It's always going to put you in the spotlight too, and I think that, considering that you didn't have diffs from more recent topics in there, that you could have thought about it a little bit longer. Look, if someone is topic-banned and blatantly violates that, we should do something about it, and we will. Thanks, ] (]) 03:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I didn't edit the area recently because one reason is that we just finished dealing with Chesdovi. If you look at the ] and the edit history and talk page, you'll see a whole mess and that's what got the TBAN back in the limelight. I don't like TBAN's, but sometimes it is the only way. There are people that have POV's and they know it, but they know how to edit with a POV. But creating fake pages, like he did with the Boycott page is extreme POV. I didn't go through his contributions or post more because originally I thought that if the violation is a TBAN violation then just one TBAN violation is enough. But then I saw Jeppiz's edit that said he did 20+ in one hour, so I added that. Thanks and good night. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 03:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Thoughts on semi-protection ==

Hey again, got any thoughts on ]? Short story: IP hopper harasses user for about a month and a half. About a dozen instances on the user's talk page, with some other harassment on sub-pages. An admin semi-protects the user's talk page for 3 days early on, then 7 days after the disruption continues. I noticed the disruption, unaware of the AN report, so I proactively semi-protected the editor's talk page for 7 days. The user complained that 7 days wouldn't help, so I extended it to a month. About a day later this was extended into an indefinite semi-protection. I'm sure this all falls under my learning curve, which is why I'd like to get another opinion on it. The blocking admin hasn't been very responsive. Thanks. ] (]) 04:34, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:Meh. Yielding. Not worth anybody's time. ] (]) 15:20, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
*Sorry--OK, I see the thread now. Well, "grow a thicker skin" may be true but it's hard to accept when you're being harassed. DENY is indeed the best option we have, unfortunately, besides long-term semi-protection, but I agree that indefinite semi-protection is not desirable on user talk page. Tough situation. ] (]) 15:58, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::The "thicker skin" thing got blown way out of proportion. The user was cursing back at the editor and my comment was entirely meant in the context of not feeding trolls by lashing back at them. Dat's it. Anyhow, I still think it's ridiculous that the user will be unapproachable by all IPs in perpetuity. Wouldn't mind that for myself, actually. I appreciate your note here. I'm ignoring the situation otherwise. ] (]) 05:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== ] closes for older close requests ==

Hi Drmies. Is there any chance you can bestow your wisdom in some RfC closes for ? I and five other editors who have close requests past a month old are apparently supposed to . Thanks, ] (]) 05:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
*Flattery will only take you so far, Cunard. There's suspiciously little activity in my PayPal account. ] (]) 14:12, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
**Oh, that's just {{U|Nyttend}} being grumpy--nothing that a PBR and some gravy can't fix. In fact, I'm sure they feel so bad about that outburst that they're closing RfCs themselves. Let's see what I can do. ] (]) 23:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
***Thank you for at ]! One of your closes seems to have ruffled some feathers already at ], so you might want to take a look there. Thanks for your hard work at ]!<p>No one wants to be cursed with having an inactive PayPal account. That's far too depressing. Let me see if we can increase the activity of your PayPal account. ] (]) 05:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== ] ==

] (]) 08:59, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Hi, its me again ==

Hi,

Remember me? You indef topic banned me a couple of years ago. Your decision to ban me was based on consensus reached by the limited number of editors involved in disputes with me. You probably remember that I was subjected to (unsanctioned) repeated personal attacks during my last ban appeal. At that time you wrote ''" I think that your commenting and speculating on someone's ethnicity is distasteful as well as wrong, if it's used to base a judgment on........hypothesizing about an editor's ethnicity inasmuch as you think it commandeers their POV is a lack of AGF, and thus blockable. Now zip it, and make an actual argument."''

Would I violate my topic ban if I report another editor who I think did the same thing, taking in consideration that ethnicity they attributed to me is within my topic ban?--] (]) 22:39, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
*Hello Antidiskriminator--good to see you again. I see you haven't lost your gift of gab, but how time flies...yes, I remember that community-decided sanction very well. As far as I'm concerned, your ban is on Serbs and Serbia 1900-current, not on editors with a specific POV, and if you want to bring such a case to AN, that's fine with me: but much will depend on what you do in that discussion and how you do it. AN is also the place where you can ask to get your topic ban lifted, of course. Good luck, ] (]) 22:59, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::Using my powers of extra-sensory perception, I have for a person that Antidiskriminator might have been thinking of. If this kind of thing continues, it is indeed ban-worthy. The person knows something about sources, but the ] article is practically a honeypot for nationalists. So I hope they'll move on to something else. Thanks, ] (]) 01:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|EdJohnston}},
:::* {{tq|...the ] article is practically a honeypot for nationalists...}}? Nationalists.... I am the major contributor to ] article (). I don't know if your comment targets me, but I don't approve it even if you say it does not. Because of double standards. If regular non-admin editors are not allowed to write comments about other editors, admins (including you) should also not be allowed to do so.
:::* {{tq|...indeed ban-worthy...}}? Again double standards. If you did not ban your fellow admin for continuing repeated speculations of my ethnicity and judgements based on it (when they were on your side) during my last ban appeal, I would appreciate if you don't ban this non-admin editor.
::: I do not assume bad faith, but taking also into consideration our previous interactions (content and conduct disputes, ban you issued to me and your subsequent repeated opposition to my unban) I am concerned about this unwanted contact with you and I would appreciate if you could limit your interactions with me in future. Thank you.--] (]) 23:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Antidiskriminator, Ed just did you a solid. Also, he's a friend of the show, and one of the hardest-working admins in the biz. Thank you, ] (]) 23:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== ] ==

Kind fellow user,

judging from the previous club career storyline before it was summarily removed (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Marcel_Peeper&diff=710254582&oldid=710254292), do you think you can garner a couple of refs in Dutch to source those contents, please?

Absolutely gut-wrenching, storyline was untouched for more than two years, I make a small but due correction (his spell with Lokeren, almost never in the ]), EVERYTHING was removed (similar situation happened last year at ]). I ask this of thee because it's ] likely no sources in English are available.

Thanks for whatever you can provide, in advance, cheers --] (]) 22:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

*Thanks for the assistance, I added two more refs (you can consult to see if I translated them correctly, but I think I nailed them both this time, they posed kindergarten-level difficulty!), I (we) am surely trying our best to help improve ] encyclopedia. Peeper's story would surely be a nice read, a pity my Dutch is so rubbish. In a nutshell, does he hold any grudge to the Soviet player that injured him? Is he faring well physically nowadays, aged nearly 51? Thanks --] (]) 17:31, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
**No, no grudge, though he had a hard time going back to Kiev--maybe he was there for some soccer golf tournament or so. He was in good spirits but still suffered from it; he had a limp for the longest time, and that's bound to get worse with old age. But he didn't sound bitter. Look at ] and see if you can find the video: of his catch, and then a few weeks later of his injury--terrifying. ] (]) 18:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
**Oh sheesh, I can't look at that again. He works for Coca-Cola now, is what our article says, but I doubt Alabama gave him lifelong health insurance and care--a good example of what's wrong with college sports. . See also ]. ] (]) 18:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

1 - Prothro: wow, it's as if Faulk (yes, I did my homework)'s body was not even there, a genius (in his area) at work. The injury? Not as gruesome as I thought it would be (in visual terms, not belittling his pain, and I am also a bit ashamed of watching the video, what is wrong with us humans :)), his ankle was already "unprotected" after that slip, and then you add to that Webb's 200+ pounds on top of his leg, disaster.

2 - Well, O'Bannon sure likes his money, even when playing in college he was more interested in ads then playing and having fun? That explains why Lebron was a millionaire (or near that) at 18, that has nothing to do with sports and I absolutely loathe it. About the piece from the Times, where is a ] when you need one? --] (]) 19:11, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Nice "talking" to ya'. --] (]) 19:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== Talk page access ==

Would you please remove Talk page access for ]? Thanks. ] (]) 00:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:Was just about to ask this too. ] ] <small>Please &#123;&#123;]&#125;&#125;</small> 00:49, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
*Gladly. They can start this all over again from their next tirritating account. ] (]) 00:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== My account ==


Hi dear,

My account is autoconfirmed, but my recent edits on ] page didn't go through! Can I ask you to check it out?---Thanks a lot, and take care. (] (]) 01:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC))
:{{tps}} {{re|Mona778}} that page is sent to ]. All edits on pages with pending changes are reviewed by "pending changes reviewer" users. Typically autoconfirmed editor's edits go "live" immediately but in this case there were other pending changes before yours that were not live (likely by a new user or IP editor). ] ] <small>Please &#123;&#123;]&#125;&#125;</small> 01:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|EvergreenFir}} Hi, thanks for the reply. If that's the case, then may I ask you to review the page yourself? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:::{{re|Mona778}} Already done! ] ] <small>Please &#123;&#123;]&#125;&#125;</small> 04:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|EvergreenFir}} Thanks. (] (]) 19:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC))

== Admin magic-glasses question ==

Can admins view diffs from articles/pages that have been deleted? For instance if I post these

* https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3ASherman_Bergman&type=revision&diff=241399203&oldid=239077019
* https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3ASherman_Bergman&type=revision&diff=394083846&oldid=393921257
* https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3ASherman_Bergman&type=revision&diff=396113816&oldid=394083846

as evidence in an SPI, can admin SPI peeps view them (somehow I can't bracket them like normal diffs)? "Thanking you in advance", ] (]) 01:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes they can, and you can shorten the url by using a single bracket, rather than a double (I.e. Like a wiki link). --]<sup>(]) </sup> 01:47, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:*They don't really lead to the actual diff, though--these go to the page that tells me that I can look at the history of deleted edits. ] (]) 01:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
*], can you have a look at ]? ] (]) 02:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
**Since there is a significant chance that this may end up on our desks in the near future Drmies, I think it would be prudent for both you and I to step back from this. I know this goes against your policy if involving yourself so you can recuse on everything. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 06:12, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
{{Re|kelapstick}} As I mentioned, when I posted this thread somehow I couldn't bracket them like normal diffs by using single brackets, which is why I used bullets instead; but now I can: , , . I don't know what changed, I copied them from an email draft to myself, where I had saved them before that AfD closed ... Internet Bollocks As Usual ''je suppose''. ] (]) 03:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

{{Re|Drmies}} Considering your point, would these be worthwhile or should I just say "See the three sign-offs on ]"? ] (]) 03:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:I will have a look Doc, just got settled into camp and am unpacking now. In true local fashion, my 9:00 am appointment with immigration didn't happen until 1:00 pm. But I am allowed to stay for another six to twelve months, so that's good. Softlavender, I don't know why it wouldn't do it from the start, but it does now, so that's good. I don't know what you mean by signoffs, but if you are associating an account at the SPI with edits from that now deleted talk page, it would be sufficient, since there are only 22 edits on the deleted talk page (alternately you could request a temporary undeletion in order to compare them). --]<sup>(]) </sup> 05:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::OK thanks all. K-stick, I think in retrospect my email draft had broken the links onto two lines, so that when I copypasted them here at first they didn't "bracket" correctly due to the invisible line break -- I've seen that happen when I copypaste a two-line article title into a non-coded citation: they don't hyperlink correctly if you catch my drift. What I meant by "sign-offs" is that the mass of SPA socks has a distinct "tell" in the way they all sign their posts (typing their SN after, and flush with, the tildes). Cheers. I'm not expecting any of this to make sense because apparently nothing makes sense today and I just have to accept that. Good luck with immigration (is it really worth it after all). At least Donald Trump isn't building an 80-foot-tall wall there. ] (]) 07:12, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:::It makes sense to me. I think that anyone at SPI would be able to understand what you are getting at. I was renewing my Indonesian work permit, so it's worth it if I wish to continue eating three times per day with the lights on. A vice of which I have become accustomed to. For some reason they have to take my fingerprints every time, I am not sure if they thought they would have changed after six months, but hey, what can you do. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 07:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You have to eat three times a day with the lights on? Hasn't that solar eclipse finished yet? ] (]) 07:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::K-stick is picky about his eating, but I believe he makes love with the lights off. I remember that many, many years ago K-stick discovered a hard return in a citation template that messed up the entire formatting. He's good--at least when the lights are on. ] (]) 18:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::You'd know if you ever bought me dinner and flowers. I do remember that citation template incident, however. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 04:24, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::<small>"He never calls, he never writes ..." ] (]) 04:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</small>

== Belgian chocolates ==

] (]) 01:50, 16 March 2016 (UTC)]]
*Those are the best. Thanks. ] (]) 01:58, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== Comma close ==

Hello - first, thank you for wading into the comma-fest that has gripped WP for over a year now. However - would you re-consider your close in light of ]? We had a clear RfC on this exact issue less than a year ago, and it has continued to be an active issue around WP. I was unaware of this particular !vote, and would have !opposed, as I belatedly just did. This is the kind of thing that infuriates WP editors and lowers morale. Thanks. ] (]) 16:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
*Not without evidence of forumshopping and the disruption it caused. Thank you, ] (]) 17:11, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
*:If nothing else, it was bad form - we had an RfC last year, it's been discussed in various forums since then, with the same status quo results - and then this RfC was started, and editors who participated in the earlier discussions weren't notified (to my knowledge). It just feels like an end run around the previous RfC. ] (]) 21:48, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

== Language thing ==

Which, if any, is preferable?
:Loham: The Yellow Metal is a 2015 Indian Malayalam language thriller film...
:Loham: The Yellow Metal is a 2015 Indian Malayalam-language thriller film...
The difference is the hyphen between Malayalam and language. Most of our cats, like ], seem to favor the hyphen. Danks. ] (]) 18:33, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
*They're both a little awkward because of that concatenation of pre-head modifiers, but "Malayam-language" should be hyphenated, according to most grammars, yes. ] (]) 18:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
**Hey, I'll take awkward over grammatically effed any day. The casual Indian cinephiles (not our regular users) get bent out of shape if you don't feature their language/ethnic group/film industry prominently, but I don't think it's clear to most readers what Tamil, Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam are without context. Anyhows. Thanks! ] (]) 20:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Thefuckeruser ==

They're probably going to keep making edits like . Should they have talk page access revoked? {{nowrap|''']''' ]]}} 18:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
*Well, they self-reverted. Maybe they saw the light and are ready to formulate an unblock request and a name change... ] (]) 18:58, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

==Deletion review for ]==
] has asked for a ] of ]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> —] 01:10, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

==Saying hi and requesting good offices==
Hi Dr; I am requesting you have a look at a couple of spamicles when you have the time: ] and ]. I'm unsure about notability on both, the first being a long-term vanity/autobio, the latter a short press release by a COI account. Probably neither can be speedied, but I'd appreciate you or talk page stalkers having a look; I'm sorely tempted to dismantle the resume of Rallé, really. To be viewed very much at your convenience--these are not hot potatoes. I hope all's well with you. I'm still looking after Ms. 99 as she continues to recuperate from surgery, so I'm channeling my creativity over the stove and in the car. Today I even had to blow off a rare painting session in favor of taking her to the chiropractor (grits teeth beneath tarnished halo). I hope you're well, and not suffering the deluges I hear about down south. ] (]) 01:12, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
*Maybe later, 99--I'm suffering from a deluge of bad faith and manners, and this is spring break. Here, we are fine; it's our brethren in Louisiana that are suffering. Please send my regards to Mrs. 99. ] (]) 01:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::There's plenty of bad faith and bad manners to go around this season. Take the high road, and be of good cheer. Wishing you all the best, ] (]) 01:32, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::*I wasn't even talking about Misplaced Pages yet. :) ] (]) 14:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
:::*Neither was I. Thank you for having a go at Rallé. ] (]) 21:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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IP range block might need an update

Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:0:0:0:0/64 that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, User:Cullen328 actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:6463:27AE:4C80:E87B for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:9541:B21:E7F0:1D7F very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
      • I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through pex fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
        @Cullen328: Do you routinely distribute rodenticide in key locations? I do so weekly, and the problems are much improved. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
        • Deepfriedokra, we live in a semi-rural area with lots of beneficial wildlife like deer, rabbits and squirrels plus pets like cats and dogs, so pest control professionals prefer to avoid most poisons and rely on traps and repellents instead. There is also the hidden dead rat odor problem. We are going to start a very specialized product called RatX in the next few days. Cullen328 (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Oh Lord, rats are a horrible problem. Hope you can get rid of them. Do you guys have any cats? And I think that having a lot of insects and whatnot in your house is considered something of a way of life, but imo, definitely not true nowadays. My house suffers from a lot of silverfish, and my family has been trying to use boric acid to try and stop them. Strong substance, perhaps, but definitely useful. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I only use the poison in the house- behind stove, fridge, and washing machine. Fortunately they leave before dying. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I use road flares in their burrows outdoors. Close up as many holes as you can find except one, light the road flare and stick it fire side in and cover it up. Carbon monoxide takes care of it. Keeping livestock I have a significant rat population outside that I have to keep in check. As for inside, cats. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          (edit conflict) Like Cullen, we too live in a rural area. Fortunately, we haven't had any rats (one bat, though - and that was horrible), but we do have mice. Don't know if they'll work with larger rodents, but we leave sticky traps for the mice in our garage, and, thus far, that keeps them out of the house, killing them before they can enter.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Is that better than roaches, Bbb23? Drmies (talk) 19:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          You'd think an indoor pit bull would prevent rats. She does not. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Need a ratter, not a big dog. My little lady kills quite a few rats outside. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Mice are stupid and don't get too trap averse. Much more difficult to trap rats long term. With mice I've found a bucket trap to be very effective. A 5 gallon bucket with a ramp leading to the top. Fill it halfway with water, then cover the water with sunflower seeds. The mice climb up and hop in to get the seeds and can't get out. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I do think cats make good pets too. They're good at catching mice and rats, as well as defeating snakes. I'm sure the reaction time of a cat is about 20-44 milliseconds compared to a snake which has like 44-70 milliseconds. I also think that cats are the general predator of snakes. But staying on topic, I do feel like it would be best to have a cat as a pet (I certainly don't have a cat, though) for catching rats. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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In 2024 you were one of the top AfC editors, thank you! --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I was, Ozzie10aaaa?? I had no idea--I think that also shows that it would be good if more people got involved with it. I think the backlog is creeping towards 2,000 again. Anyway, thanks: I appreciate it! Drmies (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Drmies, you probably wouldn't have been if we had an actual full year of data (that data is just from the last month or so). But if you kept up that same pace through the whole year... yeah, maybe you still would be. We truly need all the help we can get. -- asilvering (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Have a good one, Doc, and thanks for filling our wiki-lives with cheer.

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About your block of Ayomikun445

Quack, quack.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

DCAU page

Hi! I'm currently engaged in an edit war with a user who believes that two films released in 2017 and 2019 are canon to an animated universe of TV shows from 1992-2006. I've provided multiple clear as day sources from the people who worked on these that show this isn't the case.

You can read it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:DC_Animated_Universe#Article_Cleanup Walterwhitehartwell (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

With respect to Bai Jingting

Hi, I seen few deletion, need clarity to improve. 1. For Philanthropic activity the source 8th line mentions artist name, need to understand why the source is doubtful. 2. If "features" is wrong vocabulary could it be replaced with other word? As new writer I observed many articles already accepted those details from years. Need to understand how to represent here with proper writing. SakuraSmart (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Not every time someone is mentioned in some competition they're "featured". If someone is featured it means they get a special placement, and there is no evidence at all that this is what is happening here. Yes, it's a buzzword now used for every guest performance and appearance, and we need to fight back, like linguistic warriors. I don't really know what you mean with "source 8th line", but if you're talking about this source, it's pretty obvious to me that that gossipy glossy website is NOT an acceptable, neutral, independent source for BLPs. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the reply. For Philanthropic activity link was used. 8th line suggest artist donation towards natural disaster. It was removed stating doubtful. If we mention actual ranks of few listings, instead of "feature" I hope it's fine provided link attached is not from gossip site and provides enough evidence. SakuraSmart (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
      • What 8th line? I see five lines, and then some weird image that took me 26 clicks on "Page Down" to get through--and then there's comments. Anyway, I see his name is mentioned, along with dozens of others, on a website that at best looks like a gossipy site for fans of entertainers. Whatever that site is, it's not publishing journalism; please see WP:RS. How much did he even give? Or did the record company give a few bucks in his name, to add to his resume? Who knows? Drmies (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Oh you mean the seventh line of that picture with a list of donors--who knows what that picture is, and what its authority is. Again, that's not how we operate here. It's too easy to manipulate pictures, and there's no source or context--"according to incomplete statistics" actually expresses part of the problem well. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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User:Pinzunski/User:SukunaZenin and others

Thought they had given up and taken a new hobby, but nope... Here is this IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:67D4:8700:461:2CED:6508:F5E3), for instance continuing with the transfer speculation at Francisco Trincão (and reinserting their ref that "supported" Sporting CP winning the title last season by mentioning a S.L. Benfica match!!), duly reverted! Ah, with a completely polite and encyclopedical edit summary, so let's see what their reply will be (because they WILL reinstate their version again!)...

Happy 2025, take care RevampedEditor (talk) 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring started already, please intervene (you or somebody) ASAP! --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Edits to Columbia High School (New Jersey)

The article for Columbia High School (New Jersey) definitely needs additional sources and has to some issues of tone addressed. There are sources about the school available to update many of the issues you highlighted. Alansohn (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Got someone editing as an IP to escape a block and complain at the Teahouse. Tarlby 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind, they got globally blocked literally the minute I sent this lol. Tarlby 00:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh, it's that one again. So boring. I wonder what their New Year's resolutions include. Haha, "this year I'm going to look for North Korean proxies". Good luck! Drmies (talk) 00:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
"Resolution 1: Complain about being banned on a website for almost 7 hours" Tarlby 00:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I actually forgot how long it's been. Has it been a year? Ah--I blocked User:MidAtlanticBaby indefinitely on June 18. I see they're now actually banned by the Foundation: I don't know if you know this, but you have to go REALLY crazy to get banned by the Foundation. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh yeah, definitely didn't know that...Also, this has been going on for MONTHS? Tarlby 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes. When I say "childish" I mean it. This is likely a somewhat grown person with a driver license and the right to vote, who could be watching Georgia play football and make soup for their family and walk the dog. Instead, they're harassing a bunch of people including one who had nothing to do with them getting their dumb ass blocked. But they know some shit about proxies and whatnot and now they're just being cute, hoping to get caught and get attention. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Well, now whenever I feel down I'll just remember I'm way happier with my life than MidAtlanticBaby! Thanks for this Misplaced Pages lore Drmies. Tarlby 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

120.21.0.0/16

Hi, would you consider unblocking this IP range? I don't want to, both because I'm unsure of the situation, and because I'm a little bit involved — it includes the address I'm using for the wireless network at my local public library. I don't understand the reason for the block, since you blocked it almost a month after the latest edit appearing at Special:Contributions/120.21.0.0/16, and there are no deleted contributions. Nyttend (talk) 05:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Hey Nyttend--I blocked the range because of one particular sock, who by now has created 215 accounts that we blocked and tagged, in a little over a year. There were two from that range that, looking at the block, were my immediate reason for the block, and since then it's been much quieter. Let me email you, lest I drop BEANS all over the place. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Advice needed

How can I convince user:Sky258 that, per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, airport connections need independent sources? Nearly all his/her additions are unsourced and reverted. Warnings did not help but blocking seems over the top. Do you have any ideas? The Banner talk 17:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Football sock

Not college football, but still... See WP:ANI#Footballnerd2007. I agree with GS and don't know why others are defending the user (casting aspersions indeed). Creating an RfA...doing so many moves it makes me dizzy...leaving trolling messages for other users... I'm on the edge of blocking myself for disruption, but a check would be helpful. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The ANI discussion has derailed into a discussion about whether Footballnerd2007 is using LLM, which they clearly are, but the user is choosing, unwisely, to wikilawyer, and GS, also unwisely, is trying to "nail" them. I thought about hatting it, but it's so rapid and I'm not sure where exactly I'd hat it. Oh, btw, another on my list above - read the user's Talk page - it's a cornucopia of warnings.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
What a mess. That got out of hand quickly--I'm also not happy with the alien's response. A check was run on the user, and I guess it showed nothing... Drmies (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. They are now being "mentored".--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Drmies, alien was obviously not trying to defend the user (you can tell through certain, subtle signs, such as the use of a face palm emoji and the phrase "You're not helping your case right now"), they were trying to de-escalate things. Is this really how you want to treat them? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't know what prompted this, and I certainly don't understand that last, loaded question. Did I say that they were trying to "defend" the user? Where? What you could to is ask what I meant, if you're really interested in me and what I think. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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Please take a look at Addition_to_WP:NOTDICTIONARY and comment. Though this may be implied by other policies, I think it's worthwhile making it explicit. Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 19:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

FORDROCKEFELLER1974

See UTRS appeal #98810. The claim is that Bishonen allowed a new account to be created, in comments over at User_talk:TTTEMLPBrony. What are your thoughts? Note that I have not looked at the checkuser technical data and... am dubious... --Yamla (talk) 23:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Ha, yes, but Bish said that before I had a looked and confirmed that Looney had logged in (and I just checked again, to make sure). I can't read the VRT (I still can't log in) so I don't know what the "compromised" thing was, but this is socking going back to 2021. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Beeldenstorm

Perhaps you could take a look at this - a new but prolific ip with all the jargon. Possible returning sock? Greatly concerned about the reputation of Philip II of Spain. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Johnbod, there is a copious amount of logged-out editing there, though I don't see direct evidence of them using IPs to circumvent policy--but that the same person is editing without logging in is indisputable (and I warned them), so that leaves the actual IPs. In many cases the logged-out editing is from VPNs that have been blocked before, by User:ST47ProxyBot--who I see is retired? What is this world coming to... So I'm not exactly sure what to do, since that's not really my cup of tea, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Open proxies isn't very insightful. I see User:Malcolmxl5 is running that but they are not a CU, and it's at least three or four different ranges. User:Ponyo, if you know how to handle them, can you have a look and do what's right on those ranges? Yes, Philip II is certainly well worth our time. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a second?

Could you walk me through reassigning user rights? I've discovered some PGAME at User:54rt678/sandbox and I blocked them while I redo the user rights. Sorry, I've not done much of this. I've got Special:UserRights/54rt678 open. BusterD (talk) 04:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The user has 509 edits, and 250 of them were done three days ago on the linked sandbox. BusterD (talk) 04:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Do I merely uncheck, leave a reason and save (and watch)? Just something I haven't seen done recently. BusterD (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
It was so simple I figured it out myself, but I needed another editor to reassure me. Don't mind doing the job, but am sometimes nervous about affecting someone unduly. BusterD (talk) 05:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sure thing. That editor is headed for an indef: incompetence mixed with promotional editing. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Not a very mature approach, granted. Hey, this morning I welcomed (after I reverted) a user who'd burnt the Packers in Caleb Williams's article. It will get weirder than that... BusterD (talk) 14:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
At least they apologized. I really loathe those kinds of edits, though not as much as the "daddy" variation. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Among their last 4 edits, two were adding commas to TP's post. Looking at that I'm not sure why we would trust them to edit any longer. Doug Weller talk 14:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Maybe, Doug, but I found nothing--I was thinking of various returning nuisances but saw no evidence. Wait and see, I think. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I tried to make it as plain as I could to the PGAMER that all their edits would be under close observation henceforth. If they can't hold themselves accountable, how can we? BusterD (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Ha, is that a rhetorical question? Drmies (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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User:Pinzunski/User:SukunaZenin

Returned to Francisco Trincão AGAIN, with that nonsensical ref about a BENFICA match for a SPORTING championship win (reverted it on the spot)! I guess the rest can stay (should you see that the sources are appropriate, if not remove it), will duly compose it (i.e. Style of play section) when i get home.

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