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	Hi! It seems that we have similar interests (Japanese art/history). Perhaps we could work together on an article someday or share resources or something (some of the stuff I have access to I listed ]). Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you need anything of it or if I can be of any other help with an article. I also have access to questia, credo references and highbeam. BTW, I recently wrote ] which I hope to nominate at ] at some point. It would be good if somebody who knows about the topic could have a second look at it. Also I did not include any Japanese sources such as those listed on top of ] (after "RS:"). If you have the time to take a look or even to expand the article with info from the Japanese sources that would be great, if not that's fine as well. No worries. ] (]) 09:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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			== Re: 'Xinjiang' in ] ==
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			I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in ] because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not ''trying ''to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —] (]) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
	Hello, We had a discussion a little while ago on the talk page of the ]. I don't suppose it matters terribly much any more, as the discussion seems to have moved on and much of the introductory section of that Article seems to have settled down. Nevertheless, I thought you might be interested in reading this on Christopher Tolkien's attitude towards the use of his father's works for the big screen, and why he refuses to license those works not sold in 1969. Also, this incredibly rare with Christopher himself sheds a little more light on the matter. I hope you had a pleasant New Year. Wishing you all the very best for 2013. Michael --] (]) 12:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Peter coxhead}} You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective ] interpretation. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? ] (]) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::All interpretations of ] are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh ] in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, ], ], the mountain ranges of the ] and the ]). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved ]; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.
			::Secondly, also for you {{ping|Peter coxhead|p=}}, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of ]—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —] (]) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			:::I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is ''not'' a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are ''kinda'' in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to ] as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and ''definitely not'' "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).
			:::I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to ] as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "]" and "]" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase ] and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our ] article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is ''not'' an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)
			:::] (<small>]]</small>) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::::BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument ''against'' using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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	I noticed not long after getting blocked that someone marked this classical Japanese text that was discussed by Keene and numerous others, and is part of a series with the other ''Kagami''s, as potentially '''not meeting ]!''' This is why Misplaced Pages can't afford to block me... :P ] (]) 13:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
			== Sorry to intrude/a suggestion ==
	:I just noticed that Drmies above appeared to have taken this comment as an "essay" listing my complaints and inappropriately using emoticons. The first sentence was meant as a reminder to myself to fix that particular article as soon as I get unblocked. The second sentence was a silly joke. The latter may or me not be relevant to Misplaced Pages (I notice, though, that the user who nominated ] for deletion has ); the former, though, cannot possibly be taken as unacceptable. I do thank Drmies for the advice provided in the latter part of his above comment, though. Regards. ] (]) 01:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
	::Elvenscout, I see you have taken this to AN where things appear to be going your way, with a lot more involvement than at the original ANI thread (and that was the problem, in my opinion). Please note that I ''never'' doubted your good faith, and if you get your way in the end I'll (try to) be the first to congratulate you. ] (]) 16:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
	:::I know you didn't <nowiki></nowiki>. Thank you for ''your'' good faith. Honestly, I think the reason for the lack of involvement last time was ''partly'' that user's fault for overloading the discussion with misrepresentations, but mostly my fault for not knowing how to use diffs. I re-read it last night, and, honestly, I think I've got a lot better at that than I was two months ago. Thank you so much for your advice, and happy editing! ] (]) 00:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::It was indeed rather unusual and suspicious that such an important historical text would be nominated for deletion. As you know, it may be a "classical text", but it was an unofficial text, and perhaps written as a reaction to Okagami--the first in the so-caled 'mirror series'--presenting a more superfluous version of life at the court.--]<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 17:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
			Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, ] (]) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}} I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.
			:I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.{{ping|Nardog}} I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally ''dis''agreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.
			:] (<small>]]</small>) 03:05, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
			== November edit-a-thons from Women in Red ==
	Regarding the discussion at AN: it might be advisable to recuse yourself from the debate for a while. You've made your case (extensively), but your recent contributions are starting to look a little... vindicative? over-zealous? truculent? The community will deal with Tristan noir in whatever way seems fit - that might involve anything from an indef ban to freeing him from all editing restrictions. Piling on now that your side of the issues has been resolved might be seen as excessive - I recognise that you feel strongly about this, but I'd recommend that you simply go off and enjoy editing, and leave the admins to wade through the mire of debate over Tristan. ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 09:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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	Hi, thanks for archiving your Talk, it loads properly now - there must have been something triggering my erratic filter. Sorry to see you dealing with various socks. But Cúchullain's advice to keep cool is sound (his advice usually is). One way of relaxing would be to move around a bit more and look at MOS, AfDs, RMs, outside area of personal expertise. Many of the same problems you've noticed hitting Japanese topics are actually sub-problems of wider editing issues. Anyway, the main reason for this message is I was quite surprised to see a full clean DVD cover has been accepted into http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Uzak.jpg (it would not be accepted at Commons I think). Maybe this provides a model of improving images on Japan film articles too (and Vietnamese ones if I can get around to it). Best regards. ] (]) 03:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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	Note: as per at AN, you are not subject to a topic ban or an interaction ban related to ]. That said, take great care: ] or "grave-dancing" will not be tolerated (]''']''']) 12:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
	:I know, and that is why I haven't posted anything substantial or got involved in the last week or so. But Tristan noir won't stop harassing/undermining me until something is done, and if the discussion closes before that gets resolved then I'm only going to wind up having to post the same thing a FIFTH time in another few weeks. ] (]) 15:14, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
	:Okay, I just noticed that you ''did'' resolve it. Thank you very much. ] (]) 15:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
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	Are you online? Would you mind doing me a favour ] and add "WikiProject Writing systems". My firewall is playing up. Thanks! ] (]) 04:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
			I just saw at '']''. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions (). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --] (]) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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			:I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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			I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, . Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. ] 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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			:I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."
			:Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is ''specifically'' about Japanese poetry (the ] article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about ] content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.
			:] (<small>]]</small>) 11:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
			::{{ping|Staticshakedown}} Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did . Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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	I already posted on the relevant noticeboard but was this the right way to go? ] (]) 11:39, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	:I'd certainly be very wary of continuing to change the article. Whilst the accusations of scokpuppetry may or may not be valid, the information being added is pretty well referenced (I've looked up the actual refs, which annoying aren't linked, and they do support the text). The references may be wrong about jigai being a specific form of suicide for women, but they certainly meet the standard for reliable sources (I've used all three myself from time to time). Persisting in the same vein could backfire on you rather badly, I fear; you're basically edit-warring to remove sourced information with which you disagree - and you ''know'' that never looks good! ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 11:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	::The sources are faulty. No Japanese dictionaries give the definition the IP is trying to enforce, so the "sourced information" is factually inaccurate. How does one go about removing "well-sourced" information that is not true? ] (]) 11:56, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::Well, regrettably, the short answer is that you don't. Providing sources that claim the opposite (that ''jigai'' refers only to suicide) is pretty much the only appropriate course of action. Thing is, the English Misplaced Pages is concerned primarily with the use of terms like this ''in English''; whilst I don't for a moment dispute your claim that "自害" refers to suicide generally in Japan, the fact is that in English, ''jigai'' appears to have the primary meaning of "suicide by samurai-class women" - leastways, that's what English-language sources appear to support. To offer a vaguely related example, whilst our article on ] explains the term's original Cantonese meaning as "work together", the primary definition in the article is "dedicated or enthusiastic", because even though 工合 has a different meaning in China, ''that's what "gung ho" means to English speakers''. ''Jigai'', being a far less-common term, is harder to call, but the fact remains that we do give precedence to the concept as it's expressed in English sources. ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 13:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::I was coming here to say the same thing about reverting. Elvenscout, you really don't want this to come back on you, and it most certainly will. In the future, I suggest contacting an admin as soon as you see a new IP hounding you or acting up. Then they can block the sock and semi-protect the article if need be. You can let me know, though my involvement with Joshu at ''Ugetsu'' means I shouldn't do the blocking or protecting myself; ] and ] have been helpful in responding to the issue, and of course you can go to ANI.--] ]/] 15:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Understood. On the ] issue, I made the mistake of thinking I could discuss the problem myself. And as I have said a few times already, I still was not ''completely'' convinced of sockpuppetry, and I have a habit of taking AGF a bit too far: I didn't want to request any assistance until after the IP had made a blatant 3RR violation. ] (]) 15:50, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
	::::::That show of good faith is commendable. However, this is clearly Joshu evading his block through sockpuppetry, and he's using those socks to engage in further disruption through edit warring and stacking RMs. Even if blocked, if the IP really isn't Joshu they'll have a chance to explain themselves or create an account. Additionally, some folks (like Salvio) will have additional tools they can use to determine one way or another. I'd just operate on the assumption that an IP that shows up behaving like Joshu is probably Joshu.--] ]/] 16:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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			:::You responded to my that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the ''buke'' class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert ] citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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	I know it's outside of your usual scope, but can you find and translate any good Japanese language sources on the ] article I wrote? There's a real dearth of English sources. :) ] ] 07:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
	:Thanks! It's good to be back. :D ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:By the way, I'm up for that once I have a bit more free time. For the next little bit it looks like most of my Misplaced Pages time will be taken up by dealing with ]'s continuing assumptions of bad faith. He seems to have declared war on me, and is unwilling to listen to reason. My phone's IP is '''obviously''' shared, because ] is on the same ] (the autoblock has prevented me from posting a number of edits from my phone, even while logged-in), but he has now taken it so far as to accuse me of saying that the same IP was JoshuSasori, which I never did... ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:*I've got both your talk pages on my watchlist, so I've seen it building. I think the pair of you just need to try and avoid each other as much as possible. :) ] ] 15:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::He had never dealt with either Tristan noir or Syngmung before he hijacked threads on them in order to try to "catch" me. I can try to avoid him, but he won't try to avoid me -- and as long as I have anything to discuss on AN or ANI he can use the excuse that those are just places he hangs out... ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::*Hijiri, . They're blocked now, they're under an IBAN--and they've told me you're not welcome on their talk page. ] (]) 14:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I know. Just pointing out to him that his IBAN precludes him from bringing up prior disputes with me, is all. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Although why he gets to insult me (no "bait") and revise history and ''I'm'' the one who gets told off is beyond me ... ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::*I didn't really you had created the Woodward article; I looked at the user page of the account that made it but didn't quite understand the reasoning--the person is not notable by our standards. ] (]) 15:14, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::::See my comment at the AfD. I made it safe in the knowledge that it might well come to AfD, and I don't really have an argument in the page's defense. It's my opinion that anyone who meets GNG is notable enough for their ''opinion'' to be noteworthy for inclusion in Misplaced Pages, and I spent a ''lot'' of effort keeping his opinion from being presented as fact here. 'Nuff said. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
			I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article ]. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book ''African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan'' by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a '']'': "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.
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			:{{re|Goszei}} I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of ''Japanese'' history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.
			:As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially ]. As for Japanese usage, ''Kojien'' gives the primary meaning of "same as ''saburai'', i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the ] (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).
			:] (<small>]]</small>) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
			::BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime '']'': the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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			'''Retarget''' It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect {{noredirect|3.11}} that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that {{user|Polyamorph}} "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
	Interesting. I don't like the use of Latin tags to browbeat other editors myself, and in particular when it isn't easily recognizable as his use of Argumentum "vocatis ollam ollæ nigra" was - I couldn't find that anywhere until he said it meant "physician, heal theyself", usually
	Cura te ipsum or medicus cura teipsum - any comments on this or ideas as to where his version came from?
	Looking at some of your other comments, at Talk BVM I agree with you but Johnbod's a good editor, I doubt that was a personal attack. As for your problem with 'most scholars', I've had that problem also. It is often very obvious but also hard to source when challenged, as it frequently is.
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	:Thing is, in the recent cases I have a Yale professor directly stating "most scholars believe (Peter didn't write either of the epistles attributed to him)". Anyway, regarding the Latin tag: I of course had little difficulty figuring out what M... thought he was saying, but it still didn't apply to half the arguments he was using it to dismiss. The phrase was apparently "coined" by a particular online advocate of Jehovah's Witnesses within the last few months (you can check my Google links for the evidence). To explain much further would be ] the now indeffed user, so I'll hold back, but I'm apparently not the first person to make the connection between the username "M..." and this person, as a Google search of the two names will indicate. (He used "M..." as a pseudonym on other forums than Misplaced Pages.) Note I did ''no'' "opposition research" here: I was confused as to whether this phrase actually exists, and when I Googled it the ''only'' results were all tied to the same named Jehovah's Witness. Regarding BVM: yeah, Johnbod may be a good editor but responding to with shows at best a lack of good-faith. It would be understandable if I was just some anonymous troll who appeared out of nowhere and started attacking articles on Roman Catholicism (although I'd say my edit history is friendlier to Catholics than to, say, Evangelicals), but I've been on Misplaced Pages ''longer'' than him. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
	::Oh, wait: forgot to answer what now seems like your main question. I don't speak Latin myself, but GTranslate is telling me he's saying . ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
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			:I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. <small>''''']''''' (])</small> 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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	Per your latest post on ANI, you id publish his email, but I believe it to be inadvertent. (although, really, not a tough one to guess) ] (]) 15:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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	:Ugh. So we've found ONE thing he ''technically'' wasn't lying about, although I did just accidentally copy-paste too much of his public forum post, and he did lie to me a bunch of times by claiming he wasn't still canvassing. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Elizium23}} I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on ] and ], I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited ''no'' sources for the better part of a month before eventually , while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a ]). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on ] implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
	::Since you have been lying about many issues along the way, just to support your claims and personal war against me, I suggest that you stop and avoid using such bad language. I never lied to you, by the way. ] (]) 20:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
	::*The irony of someone who keeps whining about being accused of lying, and then making the exact same claim, is astounding. Someone needs to ], and a clue; it's not Hijiri. ] ] 21:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
	:::...and yet, you must add your saying... (clue: maybe it's you). ] (]) 02:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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	Enough; I thought we'd made it clear yesterday that it is time to stop sniping at each other. Disengage from Michael, please. I appreciate his behaviour violates a number of our guidelines, but he is a relatively new editor and you've taken exactly the wrong approach to educating him. Continuing to post lengthy messages like the one at AFD has two affects. a) it will mean the closing admin is less likely to read your comments in full because they are so time consuming and b) all it will do is create more drama to sidetrack the AFD. You've made your comment, let the community decide. Walk away and let others sort this mess out, please. --''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 12:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
	:You didn't read my comment closely enough. I needed to specify that I was not being ] by !voting delete. Additionally, I suspect I've done more than everyone else combined to educate him, despite his constant attacks against me. You haven't seen the vast majority of my interaction with him because he first insisted on exchanging several e-mails with me. I explained calmly and coolly why a bunch of things don't fly, and he continued to do them anyway. I'm getting pretty sick of it. I don't blame you for not knowing what went on in my e-mail exchanges with him, but I'd appreciate you acknowledging that that's ''his'' fault, not mine. I have actually been more patient and careful with him than I was with ] ] who consensus has already established I was far too nice to. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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			Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's ''not'' OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to ] and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿&nbsp;] (]&nbsp;])</span> 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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			:FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.
			:Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the ''first'' time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).
			:I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I ''do'' think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me ({{tq|Comparing editors to Nazis}} is actually one of the specific examples listed at ] -- it's actually what got the famous {{noping|Til Eulenspiegel}} <small>initially</small> banned <small>from editing English Misplaced Pages</small>), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and ''the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given ] and has been abusing it'', but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.
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	Whatever happens, it is an absolutely no go to call your opponent a "goddamn idiot" . I did not block you only because I do not see warnings at your talk page, and possibly you have never been exposed to the ]. Next time, you can be blocked indeed, by me or by another administrator. Even if you strongly disagree, this is not a way to proceed. Please take this into account.--] (]) 13:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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	:The user in question has been openly lying about me on ANI, and when I asked him to stop and calmly explained why what he was doing was wrong, he continued. I think any good-faith user who looks through all the evidence would agree that I am not the one who was in the wrong. I do apologize for my aggressive tone. I was sorely provoked, but that is not an excuse for lack of civility. Can you please take a look at the context, though? I'm beginning to get very frustrated of virtually everyone in the admin corps ignoring me when I ask for help, and the only people who get involved being random ANI-junkies who like to stoke up drahms. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:52, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
	::Hijiri, I do understand your frustration, and I hope the current ANI thread has a better outcome from your point of view than previous threads. But I think you know it's not appropriate to talk like that to another user, no matter how irritated you are with them. Please don't do it again. (And I'm afraid I don't see the point of apologizing to Ymblanter, you hadn't attacked them, had you?) ] &#124; ] 19:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC).
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	Fromn I noticed . Let it be reverted. Even when a RM has been messed about the close should be respected. You could and still can leave a message on WP Japan for another editor to put in the same RM again - preferably without disruption. ] (]) 08:47, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
	:Why, though? No one opposed the move. I wouldn't mind appealing the close, but it's been 6 months. And it was ''not'' my fault it took me so long... ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
	::I know, hounded off with real life threats, but all the same best to keep things as clean as possible. Ask for a sponsor editor to RM at WP Jap. If no one else comes forward I will. Cheers. ] (]) 09:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
			{{ping|Blue Pumpkin Pie}} I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" ] article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.
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			:I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in ], who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right.
			:As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
			:::{{tq|editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict")}} Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai ''because the show is fiction'' and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
			::You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.] (]) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
	Let me just be clear and even stronger than the two other editors who already commented--your comments at ] were wholly out of line, and, in fact, pretty near likely the opposite of what Toddy1 intended. I get that you feel pushed on from several sides, but due partially to bad luck but partially due to your way of talking, you're 1) making each legitimate complaint you have less likely to be listened to, and 2) putting yourself in danger of being blocked. You may want to consider voluntarily either walking away from Misplaced Pages for a few hours/days, or just focusing on aspects of Misplaced Pages that aren't going to cause you stress. ] (]) 08:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
	::For whatever it is worth, I am on your side in this. Some of these editors are a little trigger happy and fail to discuss differences. Keep up the faith, bro! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::@Hijiri88, deeply disturbing behaviour in last 72 hours by JoshuSasori. I have left a note with Cuchullain to hide history. ] (]) 10:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
			:::Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			::::{{tq|I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration"}} Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. {{tq|Historian Thomas Lockely}} Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, {{tq|almost certainly granted such samurai status}} is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". {{tq|the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong}} That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			:BTW, I'm ''only'' talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant ]ping/]sing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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	On ] you said: "<small>Note also that Necrothesp posted on seven other RMs in the 30 minutes preceding the above !vote, and his last post was but six minutes earlier. It therefore seems highly unlikely that he had read my gull analysis of the sources, clicked on all the links, or put any significant thought behind how real people (visitors to the subject's burial mound or shrine, for instance) might see this issue. He pulled a COMMONNAME argument out of his nose, and has not provided any evidence whatsoever to demonstrate otherwise. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC)</small>" ..
	Sorry to say so but this wasn't appropriate. ] clearly refered to his reasons as per previous RM. An apology and strikethrough would be good. It's only a RM. ] (]) 11:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
			{{ping|CycoMa|Crossroads}} I don't think I was the referent of , but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per ], I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.
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			My ]ping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics.<small> And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".</small>
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			::::That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says {{tq|females, rarely males}}. ] (]) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
			:::::<small>(Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.)</small> I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up and as sources indicating that ''atashi'' is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use ''atashi'' to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning ] on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use ''atashi''"): it is '''very''' female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
			::::::Sorry! It's not obvious from , but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in ] as well as in ]; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is ] that ''atashi'' is feminine (see also ]'s comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances.
			::::::These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language<small> (I focused on ''atashi'' because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are ], although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") </small>but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary<small> ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex")</small>.
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	Dwy is uncooperative and most definitely not ]. The fact that he keeps contradicting himself is just infuriating at this point. How is this supposed to be dealt with? ''']'''</span> (]) 02:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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	Maybe you and Nanshu shouldn't unilaterally remove stuff from the page without a discussion or consensus. —] (]) 16:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	:Please read ]: neither Nanshu nor I require consensus to remove something that was added without and/or against consensus originally. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:33, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	::Content that has been used practically for years before your objections have an implicit consensus for retention.—] (]) 16:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::It has never been used practically for years. Please find one article that was explicitly named according to that convention. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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	:::::@]: Nope. Both of those newspapers are "official names" and so are the ''opposite'' of "COMMONNAME", and ] was moved to its current title without consensus or any reference to MOS-JA, while the majority interpretation of MOS-JA is in favour of moving Emperor Jimmu to ]. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::It still stands that "Shimbun" is common. If English language sources had "Shinbun" predominate when discussing any of these Japanese newspapers, then our article would be at "Shinbun" instead.—] (]) 08:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::That's not the rule and you know it. The current guideline says "Use ''Asahi Shimbun'' because that's the official name". COMMONNAME doesn't enter into it anywhere. The current guidline contradicts itself, and I intend to bring it to ] once the Jinmu RM closes. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::What a nonsense obsession on semantics. . I honestly don't see this contradiction. Maybe if you could point it out, instead of just deleting a sentence you had issue with, it could be fixed.—] (]) 13:17, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::@] "The modern version of Hepburn romanization requires the use of ''n'' regardless of the following letter, so you should use ''n'', unless the official name of the subject uses ''m''. Also you should determine the common name in reliable sources." This is a contradiction -- either we have a style guideline that requires the use of ''n'' under virtually all circumstances, or use the "common name" in "reliable sources". The fact is that what counts as a "reliable source" is pretty much up in the air. General interest books and magazines qualify as "reliable sources" for factual statements and the like, but they are noticeably less reliable than scholarly journals when it comes to the romanization of Japanese. Encyclopedia Britannica, unlike Misplaced Pages, has a strict style guideline that they stick to in any and all circumstances, even when every single other reliable source disagrees with them. However, Encyclopedia Britannica is also a more widely-used reliable source than the majority of sources that spell it "Gunma". And ], unlike the majority of noteworthy, encyclopedic topics related to Japan, is actually covered in a large number of English-language reliable sources -- what should we do when one or two semi-reliable books on the subject (or fan-sites, I guess would be lingo more related to your area of interest) in English spell it "]", but we can't possibly construct an encyclopedia article based on these? We need to use Japanese-language sources, and for this we need to romanize Japanese words and names, and insisting that we follow the one or two semi-reliable books/fan-sites in this romanization is '''ridiculous'''. Determining the "common name" in "reliable sources" is in most cases impossible, unless the subject has an official name in English. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:54, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::So it is an issue of semantics. I think I've nothing left to say to you regarding this.—] (]) 05:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::::@]: I could quote '']'' here but it might be more constructive to ask you what kind of contradiction in terms is NOT semantic?? Or even if such an oxymoron is possible, how is a "semantic" contradiction in terms not worth fixing? Anyway, if you really think the majority of modern reliable sources say "Emperor Jimmu" why not go over to ] and !vote against the move? I'll be sure to ANI you for ], though; I let you away with this on ] but not anymore. ] (<small>]]</small>) 09:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::::Please stop pinging me. And don't assume that because I did not answer you immediately that it gives you carte blanche to restore our prefered wording at ].—] (]) 14:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::You did respond to me immediately. Your response was "I didn't read your message, and I'm not interested in discussing with you". ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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	:You specifically said you were done discussing. Therefore, I was justified in assuming, you know, you were done discussing. Your proposed changes have been rejected by me, and supported by no one. Therefore, they are not "supported by consensus" any more than any of the changes you have reverted. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	::No one has weighed in but you. I don't see how what I've proposed is any different from the original text in meaning. You just seem to not want "COMMONNAME" to be in there because of the Jimmu/Jinmu RM.—] (]) 16:47, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
	:::The original text said ''m'' is only "allowed" when it is part of an "official" name. I admit it's vague and can be interpreted a number of ways (why I plan on bringing it for discussion after the RM closes), but your interpretation based on COMMONNAME is not the most intuitive one, as indicated by the fact that virtually everyone on the Jinmu RM interprets COMMONNAME to refer only to subjects widely-known outside Japan, and virtually no one there interprets MOS-JA to say the same thing as COMMONNAME. In fact, MOS-JA '''should not''' say the same thing as COMMONNAME; we don't use romanization guidelines in cases where there is a COMMONNAME (try asking on WT:COMMONNAME like I did last August -- they all agree that COMMONNAME does not apply to articles not widely-known in the English-speaking world); MOS-JA is specifically for subjects that have no COMMONNAME. ] (<small>]]</small>) 17:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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	:::The POV that Jesus of Nazareth never existed. You continue to argue for a long, confusing (or even a short, confusing) article that implies there is some sort of scholarly debate on the issue, and that alligns virtually all secular, critical scholars in the "the Gospels aren't reliable, therefore Jesus never existed" camp. Virtually all agree with the former clause in that statement, but none agree with the ''non sequitur'' conclusion your preferred version of the article heavily implies.
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	== Emperor Jimmu ==
			See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with ''they''. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use ''she''. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great ]'s official global site has a history section whose that reads {{tq|Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since '''the its''' establishment.}}, says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of ''press'' releases but simply news updates), their page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be {{tq|Number of Board Members}} is {{tq|Member of the Board}} and what should be something like {{tq|CEO and Representative Director}} is instead the utterly bizarre {{tq|Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO}}; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
	Hijiri can you tell me that how Emperor Jimmu's historicity is disputed? ] (]) 16:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
	::He supposedly lived in the 7th century BCE. The first time an extant historical document mentions him is 1,400 years later. Any figure who survived only in the oral tradition for that long is automatically of doubtful historicity. Additionally, the name "Emperor Jinmu" is a historical anachronism arbitrarily assigned to him decades ''after'' said historical document was compiled; the "historicity of Kan'yamato Iware-biko" is arguably a different matter from the "historicity of Emperor Jinmu". I think the dates are, of course, a weak argument; the fact that several generations of emperors after him have no legendary narratives attributed to them, and the reign-dates were clearly consciously extended, indicates to me that Jinmu is more likely to have been historical than several of his successors, and he may have actually lived some time in maybe the second century CE. This is of course all ], and I would avoid adding this claim to an article without a reliable secondary source -- did I do so on some occasion? ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC) ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
	:::It must be clarified on that article too, that why his historicity is still disputed. ] (]) 03:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
	::::Fire ahead, but find some reliable sources first. I have never added a claim on the matter one-way-or-the-other to the article proper, so I don't have any decent sources on the issue on hand. (Read: Please don't copy-paste my above talk-page comment into the article space and attribute it to me. :P ) ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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	:Umm ... how exactly could that edit have been made in good faith? I implemented a change to the guideline, and edited the examples to conform to the new wording. I then started to work systematically fixing all the articles to conform to the wording too. I unfortunately missed one particularly apt one I should have perhaps dealt with first. Instead of making the change him/herself <!-- I know IPs can't move or create pages, but still... -->they went partially reverted my (consensus-backed) edit to the guideline page. This in all a matter of days -- it's not like that red link was laying there for months on end waiting to be fixed by a user who just happened across it by accident. This is not an excuse for making personal attacks, but "childish undermining" is hardly an inaccurate description of that behaviour, and pointing out that it's not my responsibility to do all the work myself within a particular time frame (]) and that rather than pressurize/criticize me it would have been better for them to ] was perfectly apt. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
	:: Before anything, just remember that we aren't supposed to ]. The IP has only been active for few months. It's easy to assume good faith when the user was claiming to have been "fixing red link" (direct quote from their summary). It's a wiki. Just revert it back. Problem solved. What's the big deal? No need for your harsh wording in your comment. --] (]) 17:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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	Misplaced Pages flagged me saying you mentioned me, and I saw that you wrote about this,
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	That's all. Happy Australia Day! ] 05:16, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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	I am sorry but I am not the best at editing Misplaced Pages articles so I don't know all the tags to use or how to cite everything correctly. However, if you did Google Dragon Ball Online Revelations you will see multiple articles by multiple sites. Sites like Destructoid and Dragon Ball Insider are also very credible. Contact them if you need further information. I am also the same user as Dboeditor but I only made that account because I forgot the password and email I used so I created this account and are going to only use this account. The other user you posted on my talk page was, however, not me. If you are looking for a more credible source, the Dragonball Insider page would be better and it has more updated information (however it is still not perfectly up to date). is the link of that article. It is a 2014 source but seeing as it is still the first month of 2015 it might take a little bit to get a 2015 source. Also, that article has been updated throughout the year to include more information about the project. The home site I posted also has valuable information on the home page. Like a general FAQ of the project and the legality information you requested . Much more information can be found on the site. There is also a Facebook page giving constant updates . As well as a page. There are many articles covering the project including a couple that are from known sources and should be more reliable. There is also the legality information and all the information you will need on the project in the links posted. I'm not sure what else I could give you to convince you that the project is real and reliable. In the edit history, multiple other users have added the project in the page in the past as well.
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	I think the productive way to reorganize that page is to cited as theory the theories, and then provide the actual literature which surveys and challenges or confirms those ideas as theories. Yamanoue no Okura is a good example. These ideas are in circulating, after all, and giving readers guidance as to their status, often dubious, can be more enlightening than mere erasure.] (]) 09:03, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
	:@]: I like that idea in theory: but he's ] who ] have speculated originated in ]. We've also got the problem that he's arguably the famous writer of Japanese classical poetry who had ''very little'' influence of Japanese poets of later ages (he was only "rediscovered" in the 20th century), so writing about him in the context of that article, under its current title (by the way, I liked your talk page post, but can I take it you'd support an RM to a more reasonable title?) and surrounded by the remote fringe material (how does Japanese in the 17th century importing movable type from the continent count as a "Korean influence on Japanese culture" -- on ANI Jagello as two "renowned and mainstream Japanologists"]] who are representative of the sourcing in the article, when they are both only cited in that one paragraph...) is not something I want to take responsibility for.
	:Both Jagello and KoreanSentry will be indefinitely blocked pretty soon anyway. Even if CU doesn't prove they've been engaging in sockpuppetry (I don't think those two accounts are the same, by the way; I think they are two separate people who have both edited the article in the past under different usernames) they are SPAs who need to be blocked per ] (and their poor English brings CIR concerns into it as well). Once they're out of the picture, the only person trying to reinstate the previous wording as is will be CN, and you and I both know how to work with him. Once the incomprehensible synth has been washed out, little bits of properly verified, factual and ''relevant'' material can be gradually added piece by piece. I'd be happy to write about the Okura toraijin theory in the article then. Despite what ] would tell you, I actually don't take the attitude that "Okura was Korean" or that "Misplaced Pages should claim unqualifiedly that Okura was Korean" -- it's a very popular theory among scholars, but so is the idea that ]. (Sorry, the comparison is a bit 専門外 for me -- ] and ] are both respected, mainstream sources on the Dead Sea scrolls sect, right?)
	:] (<small>]]</small>) 14:11, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
	:By the way, ]: You wouldn't happen to know anyone who speaks Korean and is a good snoop when it comes to off-wiki canvassing, would you? I've dealt with the issue before now (in the ] and ] debacles) but in both those cases the canvassing was done in my native language on easily searchable message boards. It's practically a given that Korean nationalists discuss English Misplaced Pages's coverage of these disputes off-site (just read some of ...), but I'd be interested to know if it's happened recently, in relation to this article... ] (<small>]]</small>) 14:30, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::No. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who speaks Korean (I only know a few people who speak Japanese, for that matter!)
	:::No problems with ridding the place of arseholes. When you have a repetitive behavior issue on a contested article, one can be Manichaean (delete/restore) or, um, intelligent, by which I mean, reimagining the material as a meta-subject, so that the war over putative facts becomes a discussion of theories, and of poor sources as opposed to the ongoing results of scholarship. Take an example I haven't mentioned. Man'yõ 1:5 幸讃岐國安益郡之時軍王見山作歌, 軍王, though mostly read as ''Ikusa no opokimi/Ikusa no ōkimi'' has a reading attached to it ''Konikishi no opokimi,'' introduced from a misprision of the correlated section in the Nihon Shoki, and has been used to hazard the idea that this is a reference to a king of Paekche. Well, there's a lot of this kind of stuff around, but rather than dismiss it, I reckon it's more enjoyable to showcase the speculation, and show that, where this is the case, scholarship has either dismissed it, regarded it as weak evidence, or entertained also other interpretations that are not congruent with the theory. As to the wonderful Yamanoue no Okura, he was born in Korea, and that means nothing, given the ethnic complexity there. Getting the facts right, about his father's job at one court over there, where two languages were spoken, and his removal to Japan when Yamamoue was 4, etc., trumps any illusion that we are dealing with a 'Korean' poet. The page could be interesting if one used it to survey the problem of these attributions, which is discussed at length in Japanese sources I'm sure you're familiar with. Cheers ] (]) 15:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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	...for the word ''"fustercluck"'', which has enriched my english language skills. Admittedly I had to resort to internet to find out it has nothing to do with chickens. It has entered my list of favorite funny words right between ''"koeterwaals"'' en ''"oberaffengeil"''. {{smiley}} ] (]) 13:57, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
	:@]: Sorry to be late. Didn't know how to respond to this except to say "You're ... welcome? lol". :P ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
			Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and ''every one of them'' uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? ] ] 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
	...for . You make a good point. It's bedtime here. I'll think about this and respond to you at ANI tomorrow. --] (] · ] · ]) 16:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
			:Are you sure? Most ''linguistics'' sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-''Kokinshū'' waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting ''de facto'' semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
	:@]: Thank you. Your "thank" (what are those things actually called??) and this comment are the mark of a mature editor. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
			::I merely came across this as I'm writing the ] article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.
			::::''"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)"'' -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.
			::::'' "Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese."'' -- page 16-17.
			:::: ''"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin"'' -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.
			::So I would be interested to ''see'' those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. ] ] 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
			:::Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned , which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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	I did not notice that you had partially stuck out the sentence, so I reverted a comment there. But the problem still remains . You have still left misrepresentations. It says it looks like I tried to deliberately undermine a discussion. "The recent close ''looks like'' a deliberate attempt to undermine this". I have no stake in this page, I have never edited it, and at the moment wish I had never seen it. But I will not be dragged through the mud. {{u|Cunard}} never supported what you have written about deliberately undermining. Please strike that sentence completely. ] 03:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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	The methods you are using will not work at Misplaced Pages—your edits are valuable, but there is far too much noise associated with your account, and you will be sanctioned if it continues. You need to take advice or leave—stop posting at ANI. If you want an explanation ask, but like nearly everyone there, I don't have time to get involved and all I can do is provide some brief guidance about procedures that work, and those that don't. ] (]) 10:54, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
	:{{ping|Johnuniq}} I know that. I hate ANI. I avoided it like the dickens. That's why I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried to avoid bringing the CurtisNaito issue to ANI, giving him chance after chance after chance (the "threats" he referred to), before finally I had no choice but to ... respond, when he started the ANI thread and essentially asked that I be sitebanned for disagreeing with him? (I know he didn't say siteban but he did leave it ambiguous whether I should be page-banned or "TBANned" from some indefinitely broad topic, and a number of his supporters said I should be TBANned from all Japanese articles -- as in all the articles I have ever shown any interest in editing.)
	:Anyway, I'm not going to respond directly to his latest assertion that he was the primary author of the ] article (despite the fact that when he first decided to edit it it looked like ) and that this somehow means he shouldn't be TBANned from articles on Japanese history before the ]. I'll just leave that to stand as it is.
	:But please don't try to tell me that "focusing on making constructive article edits" makes the vindictive ANI junkies more friendly, because ]. I'm going to keep doing so anyway but I'm not under any illusions that it will make the sharks less hungry for blood.
	:] (<small>]]</small>) 11:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
	::You understand articles on Japan; I understand ANI and wiki culture. You need to stop responding at ANI, and you need to find a way to not respond to an editor where you believe the response is not going to get a good result. I'm commenting here because I have a faint hope you might adapt, but if I thought there was little chance of that, I wouldn't bother. You should follow the same strategy with regard to others. Find other ways of dealing with whatever the underlying issue is—use an RfC if necessary (although that might not be helpful if virtually no other editors can understand the topic), or just abandon an article for a few months and revisit it later. I think I saw Nishidani provide similar advice. The suggestion at ANI about arbitration is appealing, but a significant effort would be required, and the evidence would need to be concise and clear, and free of baggage. ] (]) 12:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
	:::Well, I can only assume you're referring to the CurtisNaito affair, where a number of users including myself believe the underlying problem is some combination of the ones outlined in the essays ] and ], and the guideline ]. It has followed on the steps of a particular editor whenever he edits in a particular, rather broad, topic area. Because ] no longer exists, RFC would be inappropriate, since it's a recurring problem with a particular user on a broad range of articles. DRN would be just as inappropriate, since DRN is for discussing article content, not user conduct. DRN also suffers from something like a 90% failure rate. The exact same was true, at least from the point of view of me, Sturmgewehr88 and several other users (different users on different articles) of an otherwise entirely separate problem I had a few weeks ago that I think I'm still technically not allowed discuss with you outside of ].)
	:::Anyway, I'm going to drop back from the ANI thread as per my last reply to you and leave the decision of whether to resolve the issue immediately or send it to ArbCom to the community/admin corps. If it goes to arbitration, I will wait for Nishidani or Sturmgewehr88 or both to post their comments first. I'm actually not the litigious guy a lot of people seem to think I am, and I ''despise'' having to spend a certain percentage of my Misplaced Pages time on ANI and various other such forums, just so that I can be allowed build the encyclopedia in accordance with the policies and guidelines that are very clearly laid out. When people are claiming ] that I be site-banned and they are not being sanctioned for such is one of those times when I don't really have a choice in the matter.
	:::] (<small>]]</small>) 12:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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	Of course Homer may very well have been translated into Arabic several times, and we don't know that the echoes of the Odyssey in Sinbad were based on any particular translation. But mentioning a known (and very early) translation does establish that Homer was available to Arabic readers (and as a source for Arab oral story tellers) for centuries by the time of the earliest known versions of Sinbad. This certainly didn't strike me as particularly "irrelevant". Worth a discussion on the talk page for the article? --] (]) 23:33, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: Well, the way I read that section of the article, it wasn't Arabic storytellers but Turkish copyists or printers who added the Sinbad stories to the AN canon, which would seem (admittedly I'm not an expert) to make an arbitrary reference to the earliest known ''Turkish'' translation more relevant than a similar reference to an early Arabic translation. Is the eighth-century Arabic translation of Homer often mentioned in reliable sources as being a potential source for the Sinbad mythos? If not, I think drawing the connection for our readers might be a ]-violation. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
	::We are not saying anything (and nor do we need to) where whoever "wrote" (originated, anyway) the Sinbad cycle first heard the story of Polyphemus (on which the very similar story in Sinbad is almost certainly based - Burton, for one, had no doubts at all). In fact even if we had that information, its relevance would be pretty marginal. On the other hand we ''can'' point out, with the information that Homer was translated into Arabic as long ago as the eighth century, that Homer was familiar enough to the Arabic speakers (Sindbad is an Arabic work, not a Turkish one, although the first time it was linked to any version of the "AN canon" seems to have been in a Turkish edition). Hope I have the sense of this correct - I didn't write it, or do the research on which this passage is based. The first time Sinbad was linked to the Nights ''in a European language'' was in the Burton rather than the Antoine Galland translation, as far as I know. --] (]) 10:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
	:::I have had the temerity to recast this section (of the Sinbad article), without, I hope, changing its intended meaning - but clarifying it in the light of your remarks. --] (]) 12:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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	I would also like to point out that I seem to have made a major make up in my post in that ANI thread.
	I supported the topic ban as it was proposed by AlbinoFerret and BMK.
	However, my clarifying statement referred to the previous ANI where I did believe that Catflap had violated their interaction ban and should have been sanctioned.
	I also felt that the interaction ban, ''at that time'', should not be lifted so soon after being levied. Whether a subsequent consensus was to lift the ban is neither here nor there. As it stands the ANI has been closed by Drmies with no action this time beyond a slap on the wrist. I have no dispute with how it was closed. My observations are entirely not personal and are as objective as possible. My post here is merely to clarify my statement which has caused some confusion to you and Wikimandia as I did not wish to edit a closed ANI. ] (]) 06:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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	*Relevant diff: . Relevant text from ]: you may not "make reference to or comment on editor Y anywhere on Misplaced Pages, whether directly or indirectly". Consider yourself lucky that I set the block at 72 hours before I noticed that in the you made another accusation (against TH1980) which goes well beyond acceptable discourse. Hijiri, this has to stop. ] (]) 16:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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	::{{ping|Drmies}} See the below unblock request, but in short blocking me because you unilaterally and prematurely closed the discussion, and I should have magically intuited the thread had been closed is inappropriate. Also, the TH1980 dispute is completely unrelated. If you look at the history, you will find that he has done almost nothing but follow me around and complain about me for the last few months. He threatened me similarly, with nowhere near as much justification. Please don't comment on issues without doing the homework first. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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	{{unblock reviewed | 1= this was a comment on another user's talk page about said user's pre-close comment on what was as far as I knew a then-still-open ANI discussion of said IBAN. I had seen and responded on the user's talk page so as to not further clutter the ANI thread, without looking at the latest update on ANI. (Drmies himself said in his close that it was cluttered.) The near-universal consensus was that the IBAN should be dissolved, and that the other party had violated it numerous times and should face some sort of consequences. Drmies closed the ANI thread, apparently unilaterally quashing a still-open discussion as to how the problem should be dealt with. I accidentally stumbled across the closed ANI thread ''after'' posting the offending comment. While my post may have ] violated the IBAN because the ANI thread had already been closed, I was not made aware of the close, and I think most of the participants would have seen the sudden close as counter-intuitive, so "Hijiri88 should have instinctively known that the ANI thread was closed and that commenting on it on other pages was therefore technically inappropriate" is a weak reason to block me for 72 hours, ''especially'' when the other participant in the IBAN has not yet received a block for numerous proven violations. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC) Edit: I was under the impression that discussing the other user on a user talk page, in the context of discussing a still-open ANI discussion of whether the IBAN should be dissolved, was acceptable. My reason for believing this was that the other party had not been blocked -- or even warned -- for extensive commentary on me and my edits on his own talk page and . Drmies claims below that I had received a "final warning" before being blocked, but no such final warning -- not even any initial warning -- was received. If I am blocked without warning for technically violating the terms of a poorly-defined IBAN because I am mimicking the supposedly-acceptable behaviour of the other party, then blocking me without blocking them makes this a one-way IBAN, something that no one agreed to. Either I should be unblocked or the other party should be blocked. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC) | accept = Procedural only as the block expired. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)}}
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	The comment would have been an iBan violation even if the ANI thread was still open. The ] exception is only for the proper venue. You could have commented in ANI, but not elsewhere. ] (]) 16:36, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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	:In my opinion the unblock should be declined. Hijiri88's comment , to ], in which he mentions Catflap08, violates the existing wording of the IBAN which has been in place since last April. If Hijiri88 was optimistically assuming that the ANI thread would end with by lifting the IBAN, then his hopes were not realized. The very mild 72-hour block should stand. If we see more ANI complaints about conflict between these two editors in the future, I think it will be time for longer blocks. ] (]) 19:11, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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	::Well, it could be noted how even though the other party violated the IBAN multiple times, even posting in an unrelated ANI thread about me, without ever receiving a block, I have now been blocked almost immediately without any noticeboard discussion for "mentioning the other party's name". Would joining in an outside discussion and saying have ''not'' been a violation just because I didn't type the user's name? I really don't understand how this IBAN works -- it seems to violate both the terms established in the initial IBAN discussion and the definition on ] as it works at the moment. ] (<small>]]</small>) 19:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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	:::You both have violated the iBan a number of times. I gave you a final warning and you didn't listen. The rest is just wikilawyering: the iBan says you can't mention the other person, you can't even refer to them. If Catflap had mentioned you first after I closed that thread, they would have been blocked. You've been through this before, Hijiri, and you should have known better. ] (]) 22:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
	::::Drmies, where was this final warning? You didn't post anything on my talk page. When the IBAN was put in place you not only closed the AN thread in a manner that was quite obvious to all participants, you posted on both of our talk pages informing us that the IBAN was now in effect; here you posted a closing statement that claimed that my edits to the Kokuchukai may have been IBAN-violations (even though no one else seems to agree) and told me to zip it, but took no measures to ensure that I had seen this before blocking me. If you had posted this on my talk page I would have been all too willing to do so -- believe me, I have never actively sought to interact with the other user, even long before I was officially banned from doing so -- but you can't claim you gave me a final warning when you had no reason whatsoever to believe I had read your closing statement. You can't tell me that your previous wrist-slaps to ''the other party'' should be taken as warnings to ''me'' that the next violation by ''either'' party would result in a block (and I would have no reason to believe that that is how IBANs are supposed to work). And the kid gloves with which all previous violations of this IBAN have been treated () should have given you pause before immediately blocking me for the slightest infraction and claiming that you had delivered a "final warning" to me (when no initial, let alone final, warnings had ever been received, to the best of my knowledge).
	::::You may or may not remember past experiences I have with IBANs, but I certainly remember past experiences you had with a certain IBAN, and if I recall correctly that ended with for blocking me without looking at all the evidence. Can't you even consider that maybe the same thing might have happened again? In this case you not to be requested to close discussions or block for violations of this IBAN, and to report violations on ANI, but have actively stepped in numerous times since then, and even that AN and ANI are ''not'' the place to report IBANs. I also haven't forgotten when that ''AN is the place to discuss IBANs''. I really don't know what to make of all of this. No one ever told me IBANs were this complicated and difficult to handle, and I never would have accepted the present one if someone had told me that reporting an IBAN-violation itself merited a "warning", and continuing to report could result in blocks. (I appreciate that ''in this case'' I ] mentioned the other party's name on a user talk page; said other party ] and is now being told that ]. Indeed, the user has previously engaged in of me and my edits on his own user talk page -- with the exact same user, in fact -- and was never even wrist-slapped because he ]. I never reported this until now because I was under the impression that with a still-open ANI discussion heavily leaning toward dissolving the IBAN, then discussion ''of said ANI discussion'' on user talk pages was acceptable. This curious loophole where it ''is'' forgivable to go into detailed discussion of the IBAN-parties' conduct but only if the IBAN-parties do not mention each other ''by name'' was never elaborated to me either here or in ]. The whole thing has essentially become a farce at this point. Clearly Snow Rise was also unaware of how this worked, else he would not have brought me up on the other user's talk page and would have reminded me to be careful when I mentioned him on his talk page. You can say I'm wikilawyering at this point all you want, but what do you call claiming that my behaviour was blockworthy because I had received a "final warning" when no such warning was ever received?)
	::::] (<small>]]</small>) 23:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC) <small>Final edit made 00:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC). Sorry for having to go into such detail. I'm not the only long-winded Wikipedian, and Drmies has criticized others in the past for not being will to read long comments. And this is an extremely complex issue. I just hope the unblock request reviewer at least notes all the extra commentary provided down here, such as how the block rationale was at least as wikilawyer-y as the unblock reasoning, and how every single ''technical'' violation I made was directly paralleled, earlier and stronger, by the other party.</small>
	:::::Hijiri, I am sure everyone understands your defense: "Catflap did it first". Now, moving on to other matters, can I point out to you that you may not have ''technically'' broken the iBan with Catflap on ], since you have directly responded to them, but that you're playing with fire, and that you can easily be seen as ] Catflap, since they have 170 edits in that article and you have none, and yet you show up on the talk page when they're mentioned in a thread? ] (]) 21:36, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
	::::::@]: I have been editing articles on Japanese religion since 2005, and in April that edits like that one (posting on a talk page in an area the other party is relatively more interested in, but not directly interacting with them) are ''not'' IBAN-violations. I have been monitoring that page because the whole area is a shitstorm of OR/SYNTH/general nonsense (not specifically related to me, or the other user in the IBAN, or any other one, two or even three users) in which I have become inextricably involved since before the IBAN was in place (see my pre-IBAN edits to ], ] and ] and my post-IBAN RM on ]). If you want to intervene and stop the constant barrage of SYNTH/OR/BS infesting that article and the articles in its immediate vicinity (note that I am practically the sole author of our articles on ], a figure known for his Nichiren Buddhist beliefs, and the ], a Nichiren Buddhist NRM), please be my guest. You might say that since the user with whom I am IBANned and I had previously disputed in the topic-area in question, I should be staying clear away from that topic-area as a rule, but then the same would have to apply both ways. TBANs and PAGEBANs were never under discussion to begin with. On the talk page in question, I was responding to another user with whom I have no IBAN, whose proposed edits would have been an NOR-violation. If you yourself are not willing to step in and cut through the OR and other nonsense, I would ask that you stay out of my way and stop it with the double standards. The IBAN is not a one-way IBAN in which I can be sanctioned for the exact same behaviour that you yourself asserted was not a violation when engaged in by the other party. I don't see why you are getting so involved here, anyway: you specifically stated in your initial close that you wanted nothing more to do with this IBAN, but now you have started not only unilaterally quashing open ANI discussion of whether the ban should be dissolved, but actively enforcing it in a manner that looks like ]. And ''don't'' say that my responding to you here in this manner itself counts as a violation: what else am I supposed to do -- just ignore and/or revert your comment? ] (<small>]]</small>) 09:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Hijiri, you're in the same ''thread'' that Catflap was in. And of course I'm not saying that a response breaks the iBan--please don't be silly. And note that I just made a comment: I didn't block you. ] (]) 14:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::Thank you for not blocking me, but as far as I can see the only differences between this discussion and the discussion for which you ''did'' block me are that (1) I used the phrase "the other user" rather than the user name and (2) it is taking place on my talk page rather than that of a third party -- if I responded to you on your talk page rather than here I assume that would also not be a violation, but I would still ''really'' like to see some concrete definition of this IBAN lest I ''accidentally'' violate it again. Blocking for casual and infrequent use of the other's username in the context of a discussion of whether the IBAN should be dissolved, but not for the exact same with "the other user" subbed in every single time rather than just 80% of the time, seems arbitrary.
	::::::::As for the "thread" part -- have you actually read the "thread" in question? One of the problems with that topic area (not just that page, but all the others I mentioned, right down to Kenji and the Kokuchukai) is that all semblance of talk-page etiquette and logical/rational discussion has broken down. The comment to which I was responding had very little relation to the thread topic, which in turn had nothing to do with the comments by the other user with whom I am TBANned (three words and just over a line, respectively). Saying that I'm on thin ice because my comments fell into some extremely loose framework known as a "thread" is silly, when 90% of discussion on that talk-page is off-topic banter about the nature of the topic rather than about how the article can improved by reference to reliable sources.
	::::::::] (<small>]]</small>) 10:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::Hijiri, I firmly believe that a common sense-reading of the iBan policy should be clear enough. A thread was started on ] about comments made by Catflap. Catflap made a comment or two. You make a comment--three lines below Catflap's comment. It may well have been an accidental violation, but it was avoidable. Thank you, ] (]) 15:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::I don't read "thread OPs" before responding to comments by users that have clear proposals. The other user's comments were inconsequential. I don't see how it is remotely as bad as what the other user has done on previous occasions on the Kenji Miyazawa talk page that you called indisputably ''not'' an IBAN-violation. ] (<small>]]</small>) 22:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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	Hijiri88 I always try to be fair in this long dispute, but edits do not help your cause. ]<sup>]</sup> 😜 04:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: John Carter has previously (four months ago, but he was inactive on Misplaced Pages for three of those months) requested that the admin corps go to the archives and reexamine all of my past disputes and turn the results back on me. He specifically requested that I be blocked for violating Tristan noir's TBAN on Japanese literature, which led to said ban's wording being altered two years after the fact. There have been similar calls (directly from other users with whom John Carter has apparently been in off-wiki contact, indirectly from John Carter himself) to unblock JoshuSasori (who among other things posted my parents' home address on Misplaced Pages in order to intimidate me) and Juzumaru (whose last six months of edits before being block consisted of wisecracks about my love life, and who has claimed to be currently evading his block via a sock account). Can you blame me for being a bit jittery when John Carter shows up again and requests that the admin corps go back through the archives and reexamine all my previous disputes? ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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	::I don't blame you for being annoyed, but that does not give you an excuse to resort to personal attacks. Nobody can provoke you without your consent, so don't give it to them. None of the things you say John Carter did violate any rules, but your reply does appear to be a PA, so all you're doing is shooting yourself in the foot. ]<sup>]</sup> 😜 06:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
	:::Repeatedly asserting that I should be blocked for stuff that happened years ago in which I was the clear victim of harassment at that time and virtually everyone agreed is pretty close to violating ], ] and ], and blatantly violates ] (John Carter, having no first-hand knowledge of my history, saw the bodies in my wake and ''assumed'' I had victimized them rather than the other way around). John Carter has been called out for this by multiple users, including ] ''he himself canvassed''. If by personal attack you mean my questioning JC's sanity, what is the acceptable way of calling out another user for doing the same thing multiple times and expecting different results? I admit I am frustrated with this situation, and have most certainly gone over the edge in a few of my remarks, but please bear in mind that, despite what John Carter and Beyond My Ken keep asserting, I actually have nothing to lose here beyond what they are explicitly trying to take away from me: TBANning me from every article I have ever edited or ever will edit would be the end of my Misplaced Pages career is effectively the same as indefinitely blocking me, hacking my account and changing the password.
	:::But you are right. Questioning John Carter's sanity was the wrong move, as it was every other time my frustration with his accusations drove me to do it in the past, and when I did the same to Beyond My Ken earlier today. I apologize for the lapse. (I would do so directly, but both users have requested I neither ping them nor post on their talk pages, and I have requested the same of them.) And I apologize to you if this thread seems argumentative: your injecting some sanity to these discussions has always been highly appreciated.
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	The fact is that we have all been dealing in this issue with a couple of extremely disruptive, very difficult to deal with editors who have a long history of bringing out the worst in people through their passive-aggressive, IDHT behaviour on talk pages. We should be working as hard as possible to avoid letting this situation get the best of us (as I myself have a few times in the past, I'll admit). Neither of you have been doing this to the best of your abilities, as far as I can see.
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	If you want to let CurtisNaito and his attack dog get you blocked, topic-banned or page-banned, or get their preferred version reinstated and then protected, then I guess I can't stop you. But please take your entirely meaningless and silly fight somewhere else. Keep it off my talk page. I logged in three times during the above exchange being told I had received new messages; each time I clicked the link, afraid of an ANI notice of yet another of my wiki-stalkers starting a discussion of whether I should be site-banned for this stupid reason or that, and I would have to spend another week arguing over bullshit rather than working to improve the encyclopedia; each time, I was both relieved that this was not the case and further annoyed that the messages I was receiving were not even for me, but an utterly stupid and completely pointless fight between two users who, to all outside observers and even most of those inside, appear to actually be agreeing with each other.
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	:@]: Nishidani is an opinionated user with diligent sourcing standards and a sharp tongue. He and I almost never agree fully on article content. Sometimes he was wrong, I corrected him, and he recognized his mistake; sometimes I was wrong, he corrected me, and I recognized my mistake. The reason we generally work well together despite rarely agreeing is because we are both open to being corrected. In this case, Nishidani and I are both dealing with a user who has proved again and again that he is unwilling to admit his mistakes (and they are many). When that user is indisputably proven to be wrong, he just says "Oh, well I meant to day that from the start -- why didn't you understand me?", and when he can he argues and argues and argues until the other users give up and move on. He also blankly reverts article edits until he gets his way, carefully avoiding making more than three reverts to the same article in any 24-hour period. As you can tell, I'm ''not'' talking about you here. It's not your fault Nishidani and I are frustrated as (insert-four-letter-epithet-here) in the present matter. However, as far as I can tell on reading the recent talk discussion your only substantial dispute with him is over whether one lives on or in an archipelago -- I don't have a strong opinion either way, so I don't see how it could be worth fighting over. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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	* It's not just the archipelago thing---he's been on attack mode with every comment he's directed at me (check out the first one in the collapse box---that preceded the archipelago thing). I'm at the article to copyedit, not deal with male PMS. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 11:39, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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	:*@] Slander? Really? You returned to my talk page after being told not to, slagged me off some more, and I answered your question. If you ''genuinely'' think the reply is "slander", take it to AN/I to try and get me blocked . I can stick it on the Signedzzz "disruptive editing" section there ''if you really want''. My talk page is presently where people can find my response to your ludicrous allegations, as my response there . I don't enjoy the attention, which is why . You wanted to maximise my discomfort by . You then used my discomfort as , twisting it into another . Nevertheless, I'm not out for blood: if I was, I'd return to the sleaze-fest you started. Therefore my response to your question must remain, in case anyone desires the information. ] (]) 00:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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	:** The record speaks for itself: you've successfully derailed attempts at discussion and driven away a productive editor whom you've repeatedly baited. Not the behaviour of one who purports to be out to "improve the article"—especially when you ''continue to bait me'' and ''continue to talk shit about me'' after I've already announced I'm leaving. If you so desperately want me gone, why do you keep talking about me? If you so desperately want the article improved, why are you disrupting its improvement? ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 01:30, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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	::**(EC)Which part of this reply did you not understand? Replying when you cast aspersions at me and others is not "trolling". Calling "a transparent attempt to bait me" is just bizarre. Think again about your definitions of trolling and baiting, please. ] (]) 21:36, 6 September 2015 (UTC)???
	::*** You were more than aware that both changes were contentious, and you've already shown a propensity to editwar. Yup, you were baiting me. The edit sure didn't ''improve'' anything. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 01:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
	:::You were and are hopelessly mistaken about that. Not much point going into it - it's not rocket science. It is an obvious and necessary improvement). You can disagree, but calling it baiting is irrational. ] (]) 02:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
	::**Or this one: I assume you would claim that with the edit summary "'''Fuck this shit'''" is not "casting aspersions" (or, indeed, "trolling"!) - which is where the problems all began. You'd be wrong. ] (]) 21:46, 6 September 2015 (UTC)??? ] (])
	::*** I could have chosen my words better, but the goal was clearly to get the discussion on topic. It never did get on topic, did it? Certain editors did their durndest to keep it derailed. Would you like me to strike the cuss words? The situation wouldn't change in the slightest, but I'll willingly do that if that's the bee in your bonnet. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 01:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
	:::***]. I just want to point out that responding to you casting aspersions like the above, and your previous comment, and most of your recent comments in fact, is not baiting. ] (]) 02:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
	:::**** If you don't give a fuck then stop bringing it up. You've certainly been baiting me, on the talk page and in the article. My every edit there has been in good faith, so as long as you keep slandering me I'll keep responding—. Want it to stop? Then you'll have to stop it. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 02:10, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: Thanks for the notice. I messaged everyone separately anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Regarding Signedzzz's block: I noticed, and several hours before posting the GAR I considered measaging him about that to point out that if he is going to say "User X is calling me a paedophile sockpuppet" he should post hard evidence, but realized I would need to look into it more closely to comment, and there's no way in hell I'm looking closely into anything that might involve paedophilia and sockpuppetry. But regardless: are you really optimistic enough that you think the GAR will be resolved before the remaing three (four?) days of his block run out? ;-) ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Blackmane}} technically Hijiri wasn't the subject of the AN thread, the editor who opened it was (requesting a self-block). ''']''' (]) 03:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::{{re|Sturmgewehr88}} However, Hijiri was mentioned in the thread. It is generally expected though not explicitly stated that editors, who are mentioned at AN or ANI as part of a thread, are notified by the posting party. As the notification states, "issue with which you ''may'' have been involved" (my emphasis). ] (]) 04:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	:::{{re|Blackmane}} ah ok, thank you for explaining. ''']''' (]) 04:16, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::::@]: You are right, of course, but if I am debatably the subject of the AN thread, then how is my posting there an IBAN violation? The other user chose to post a long rant about me on AN, and chose to notify me of it: if my joining in the discussion was unacceptable then his inviting me to join in the discussion was equally unacceptable. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	* Can't blame him for believing he was being pinged for comment, but ... wow, Hijiri, you didn't really think that comment would fly, did you? ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 04:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::@]: The only reasons such a comment would not be acceptable would be if (a) it was not on an admin board in support of a block for a user (e.g., on an article talk page it would have been a tototally unacceptable ad hominem remark), (b) it was on an admin board but was made without evidence (and enough evidence has been presented over the past 15 months) or (c) it was an IBAN violation. While under normal circumstances I would say my own comment was a borderline IBAN violation, in this case by the same strict logic the other user's mentioning me in his request for a self-block was also a violation, and so it seems one definition of the IBAN is being applied to me and another to the other user. I don't feel at liberty to discuss this with you openly on-wiki, but everything I said was true and verifiable. If you want the details I'll email you, but only if you indicate that you want the details -- I know I can be a bit ''urusai'', ''mendokusai'' and ''shitsukoi'' on these matters. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::: I wasn't talking about who was right or wrong—even if every word was right (I didn't follow the Catflap thing), the very act of making such pointed comments about Catflap was sure to draw you into something (I'm talking about the second half of the comment; I think you could have gotten away with the first half). Just think—if you hadn't commented at all, what do you think would have happened to you? Catflap may have gotten some digs in on you, but otherwise your editing wouldn't have been obstructed. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 06:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::::If I hadn't commented at all John Carter and company would have had yet more ammo to through at me ("look at what happened to poor innocent "), and the user would have gotten away with yet more lies and badmouthing of me without anyone even correcting him in the same thread.
	::::I'm frankly a bit sick of Misplaced Pages at the moment (note the distinct drop in over the past few days) and so could use a break, so the block itself is not so much an "obstruction". I've said what I need to say on the HoJ talk page and GAR, as well as Dennis Brown's talk page, so even if my unblock request is rejected there won't be much harm done on those fronts. I'm appealing the block primarily on the technical grounds that I think Nyttend's judgement was flawed (seriously -- whatever you think of the content of my post, it was less of an IBAN violation than what the other party posted, both on ANI and on my talk page), not because I believe my editing will be obstructed.
	::::] (<small>]]</small>) 07:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::::: For the record, I agree with what Only in death wrote ... but, c'mon, you had to've seen this coming. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 08:22, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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	No matter which way you read it, your comment at AN absolutely fell outside the realms of the second point in ]. It also did not satisfy any of the sub points. If anything, your comment was highly inflammatory and would have heightened the tension not lessened it. This block was well deserved. Nyttend's block was a very good call. ] (]) 11:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	:See my blocking comment for my thinking. Basically, he's saying "The interaction ban isn't working (insert details on why not), so please block me". Interaction-banned users shouldn't mention each other because mentioning the other guy is normally a way of saying "he's wrong, so hate/discipline/punish him", rather than it merely being a reason for departure and a clear non-request for actions against the other guy. It's a request that says "Here are the big problems, the big reasons that I want to leave", without which the request would more likely be rejected, and you're simply the main one of those. Your comment, on the other hand, is unneeded: as Catflap wasn't asking for anything to be done regarding you, the results wouldn't have affected you, so you should have just watched from the sidelines. ] (]) 12:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
	::@]: Yes, and he wasn't ''technically'' asking for anything to be done regarding me when he first posted that he was leaving Misplaced Pages because of me. Or the second time he did that. Or the time he and John Carter started a thread on ER criticizing me for "driving him off Misplaced Pages". Or the ''third'' time he announced his retirement, again blaming me. And this time he ''only'' requested a block for himself and blamed me again, and his friend John Carter ''only'' posted in the same thread making a not-so-subtle thread to request ArbCom indefinitely site ban me. (He tried to get community consensus for this several times and failed each time.) The two have been trying all sorts of stunts over the last seven months to cause me as much trouble as possible -- but my posting a response is an IBAN-violation.
	::I'm logging out for a while. I don't really care if my unblock request is accepted or rejected. I'm sick of all this nonsense. I accepted a mutual IBAN with the other user because I thought it would get him to stop harassing me across multiple pages; instead he used it as an excuse to manually revert all my edits he didn't like, and when I reported him ''I'' was the one violating the IBAN and he was therefore justified in ], a homophobe and (ironically) an anti-German racist. The IBAN needs to go if it's really this one-sided. See you all in a week.
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			I hope you can return to contributing should you be grabbed by the desire to improve articles. Just thought I'd let you know that I noticed you've been gone and that you've been back recently. Take care, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 22:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Liz}} I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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	@], @], @]: I am currently trying to figure out how to handle the ArbCom request that ''is'' related to this dispute because John Carter, AlbinoFerret and especially Dennis Brown (who has actually been intimately involved with the dispute in question since the beginning but stated on the ArbCom page that he was only involved because of the CurtisNaito affair) have made it so. I didn't wanna post this on here until I had posted my comment on ArbCom, but the discussion spreading to my talk page without my consent has forced my hand.
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	How did no one notice that, while slightly improving some kinda awkward but still acceptable wording, TH1980 added the wording "Japan signed the an important military alliance with Great Britain"? Not only did this introduce an ungrammatical element in an edit whose ''only'' claim to being worthwhile was slightly improving grammar, but if we're copyediting, then referring to Japan signing alliances with physical features like the island of Great Britain (rather than the ]) should be one of the first things to be fixed.
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	Also, someone really needs to change the section title "The road to war". I know most of the other users editing the page are American, and I don't know how the average American WW2/Japanese history buff sees this, but referring to the first ten years of the so-called "Fifteen Years War" as "the road to war" is ''very'' Americocentric and somewhat offensive when one considers that half the Sino-Japanese War is being treated as a "lead-in" to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Japanese history books do not describe it this way, nor do (university-level, scholarly) discussions of World War II written by and for European audiences. I would suggest changing ] to "Manchurian Incident and Sino-Japanese War" and ] to either "Pacific War" or "Greater East Asia War" (despite how ] somewhat clumsily describes it, this term is still used in discussing the war both in Japan and outside, as for instance ]'s discussion of wartime literature in his volume '']''). Thoughts?
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			Please, can you help me with these translations from Japanese to English: ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]), ] (]). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	* Of course, you're totally right about the "Road to war". "Manchurian Incident and Sino-Japanese War" is ugly, but at least better. "Pacific War" is fine, but I don't see "World War II" as problematic. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 03:12, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
	::@]: "World War II" isn't problematic, per se -- it's not openly offensive like the previous one -- but it's technically inaccurate: Japan's involvement with "World War II" is somewhat muddy, since they were allied with Germany and Italy long before Pearl Harbor, they were at war with China earlier still ("World War II" has that moniker because it involved the whole world, but China's involvement followed a totally different timeline), and the standard dating of the beginning of "World War II", as far as that term is concerned, is Germany's invasion of Poland and Britain and France consequently declaring war -- Japan had next to nothing to do with this. It's more a pedantic reaction on my part to the muddiness of the dating, but I think using a more specific term like "Pacific War" would be better. Since the phrase "World War II" is better known, we could perhaps clarify in the first sentence that this refers to the Pacific theater of World War II. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:39, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
	::: The headers are there to facilitate navigation, so we should anticipate what readers would be looking for. How about "World War II: Pacific Theatre (1941-45)"? ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 04:07, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
	::::@]: That works, but it's at least as clunky as "Manchurian Incident and Sino-Japanese War", and unnecessarily so because "Pacific War" works. But I don't feel that strongly about it either way, so discussion of that should take place on the article talk page. I've said my piece; whether I continue discussing this particular issue on the talk page once the conditions on my unblock expire is a non-issue, but might cause problems if you and I determine potentially problematic details on my talkpage while I'm not allowed edit the article directly. We agree on "The road to war" -- that's all that matters for the next three days. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
	::::: Whatever, I just wanted to see the article both ''readable'' and ''easily navigable'', but the thing's been more work and high blood pressure than it's worth. I'd rather spend time being productive and not worrying about someone yanking the carpet out from beneath a house of cards. There are armies of painters and writers who don't even have articles yet, so I'm going to return my focusing to them. If you want your the ArbCom case to come out in your favour I must stress that your comments need to keep to the point (that is, keep 'em brief and comprehensible). ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 07:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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			::{{tps}} Hijiri hasn't edited since November 26....be patient. ] (]) 11:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|79.16.244.59}} Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?
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	Doing this here so people don't think I've been ignoring everything that's going on like the spiteful asshole a lot people seem to think I am. Diffs are in short supply at present for the latter half of the dispute, but will be coming soon.
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			:Would either of you be opposed to me immediately recreating the category and adding ], ], and ] to it? Or would it be necessary to create some more articles on?
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	I first encountered Catflap08 on ]. I was reading about an author I like and noticed that the lead described him as a "nationalist", despite the cited source not doing so. I removed it and posted a comment explaining my removal on the talk page. At this point I had no idea who had added the epithet, when, or why, and I ]. Catflap08 immediately reverted me and replied on the talk page, ignoring my rationale and merely saying that because a source was cited, even though that source ], the claim could not be removed. When I tried discussing on the talk page, he took this ''content dispute'' to AN.
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	After the above incident, Catflap08 started requesting an IBAN with me. Eventually such an IBAN was put in place, and Catflap08 continued posting unverified OR in various articles (I didn't notice these for a while, as I was not monitoring him, per the IBAN), and intermittently joining in unrelated disputes involving me, manually reverting edits I had made before the IBAN, manually reverting edits I had made ''after'' the IBAN, discussing me and my edits on the talk pages of other users, and joining in unrelated ANI threads involving me and requesting that I be banned, while carefully avoiding direct mention of my name. These IBAN-violations were almost all ignored by the admin corps, while even the slightest violations on my part were met with blocks. During a discussion to dissolve the IBAN (which took place before my first block, and had received unanimous support), Catflap08 openly compared Sturmgewehr88 and myself to neo-Nazis, based on our usernames.
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	So, royals are quite an interest of mine and I had a question regarding the Empress of Japan (not the current title holder but, the actual title itself) and thought I'd come here to extend an olive branch and ask for your help. I now see you're busy with something big so I won't bother but, I will say, regardless of our differences (or whatever you may want to call them), having been invited/notified to/of a conversation and then blocked for taking part in said conversation seems downright bizarre to me. Should that ever be brought up at ANI, I would support you. Whenever you have more time, if you wouldn't mind pinging me here, I'd be interested in knowing if you had any info about the aforementioned title (specifically: consorts, not any of the eight regnants).] (]) 00:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: Thank you for your message. I am otherwise occupied at the moment, and will likely be so until ''at least'' the ArbCom case is closed. I say "at least" because unless it ends with reprimands to four other users for their vindictiveness and no reprimand for me -- admittedly not likely -- those four will likely keep trying to force me off the site. Those who have been following this page know I haven't been allowed focus on building an encyclopedia for at least a month now, thanks to those four and another two constantly hounding me.
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	:You will therefore understand my changing your section title. I've frankly been afraid to log in these last few weeks for fear of what new trap John Carter, AlbinoFerret, Beyond My Ken, CurtisNaito, TH1980 and that other guy have set for me, and when I saw another user with whom I have a checkered history leave a message labelled "Woah" I was briefly tempted to just remove it and add you to the list of users who aren't welcome on this page. I thankfully didn't, but for your own sake it might be better to title talk (even user talk) threads based on their content. "Woah" looks more like the first word in "Woah. I was going to start an ANI thread on you because you disagreed with me on this or that talk page, but I guess I'll just wait and see if ArbCom permabans you". '''This is NOT to say you did or would post such a thing,''' just that I've seen enough of that to put me on edge. I've seen users ] over significantly less abuse than I've been receiving, so I'm very much on edge at the moment. (Hence my assuming a few sections above that when I was blocked for violating the IBAN I was being treated to a double standard -- a double standard had been applied in every other case, so without checking I instinctively assumed the same had happened here.)
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	Hijiri... Let me start by being frank: We haven't been each other's favourite person. You have stated, "water under the bridge," and I thank you for that, because I feel the same way. In regards to the conversation at ANI that's been going on for days and days now... You know the saying, "Long time listener, first time poster?" I've been following it since in began. I don't know the complete history between you and those other users (and, in keeping with being "frank," I don't want to) but... Dude: I feel for you, I really do. I've seen a lot of garbage where... I fully believe... you were set up and I just don't think it's fair. Why am I commenting here instead of at that ANI conversation? Because that ANI conversation has become a joke. It's so long and gotten off-topic (it wasn't even started about you, for crying out loud!) and, I just don't know what I could say that would make anything better. Just know that, if I see an opportunity to help you out, I will take it. If you can think of something where I would/could be of assistance, let me know. Take care, ] (]) 05:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: Thank you for the notification. As my recent edit history indicates, I worked quite a bit to get it down to <500 words already, but then added on a bit to indicate that I have drafted a response to another user off-wiki. I guess I'll get a chance to present that once the case is accepted, though. Thank you again. Cheers! ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:57, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Curly Turkey}} On a macro level, you are of course right, but "every election" is ambiguous, and the only way I would generally approve of its use would be if it included every local, by, diet, gubernatorial and so on election throughout the country during the entire period. Not having been alive for most of this period, and only having moved to Japan 20+ years after it ended, I am not sure. But the LDP has won "almost every election" since 1989 as well, but has not held, for instance, the governorship of Iwate Prefecture for many years. ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:53, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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	''{{green|I won't post any ''more'' GA reassessments for the foreseeable future (even though I have half a dozen already drafted off-wiki) as long as you cease your campaign to get me removed from the project. Immediately.}}'' This is completely unacceptable. Completely. I have blocked you for a week, and if you do this again, I'll block you indefinitely. I'm unable to fathom the complicated morass of your interaction with Catflap08 - hence the ArbCom case - but this one is simple. --] (]) 20:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:]: CurtisNaito's article edits are a disruptive, and in the last few months he has been campaigning for me to get banned from Misplaced Pages for criticizing these edits. He has managed to sneak several poorly-sourced articles past the GA process, and these articles ''should'' be reassessed in accordance with the GA criteria. All the other users who have commented on the issue will agree with me. My offering to ''not'' request these reassessments if CurtisNaito stops following me and harassing me was a peace offering, not a threat. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:48, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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	::{{re|Sturmgewehr88}} No, he specifically stated that he was doing so because I had stated my "hope" that ArbCom reproach him for his behaviour. He was misquoting me ''again'' in an attempt to get me in trouble. And this time he appears to have actually succeeded... ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:50, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: By the way, I'm asking why you blocked me so I can reflect on what I did and decide whether or not to appeal. There are a number of possible reasons you might think the above quote was unacceptable, including (1) you think I was threatening to abuse GAR to pursue a personal vendetta rather than to improve the encyclopedia; (2) <del>you think CurtisNaito's article edits are awesome and for me to criticize them constitutes a personal attack;</del><small>See below. ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:21, 2 October 2015 (UTC)</small> (3) you think what I said constituted a threat (as CurtisNaito keeps claiming all my peace offerings are, at least back to ) and regardless of its merit it created a hostile editing environment; (4) you think it violated some policy I am not aware of regarding off-wiki drafts or some such... (I'm going to stop there.)
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	:If (1): As I have already clarified, the GA criteria indicate that those articles should be either improved to bring them up to legitimate GA status, or reassessed. CurtisNaito's track record of OWNership and edit-warring indicates that the former is impossible, leaving the latter option. Reassessing those articles would be in accordance with content policy, and I wasn't actually threatening to do so anyway; I was threatening ''not'' to do so. In my two years of arguing with CurtisNaito, I have in all but one occasion (the ] article) chosen the carrot over the stick.
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	:<del>If (2): You should express that opinion in an appropriate forum like an article talk page or the currently open History of Japan GAR. Blocking one side of a content dispute because you happen to agree with the other is inappropriate, especially when the other side has explicitly violated an ANI final warning numerous times over the past two weeks. (Note that ] this is why you blocked me. I'm grabbing at straws.)</del><small>Sorry. Just noticed . ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:21, 2 October 2015 (UTC)</small>
	:If (3): You may be right, but look what I have had to deal with: CurtisNaito has requested four times in the last five months, on both ANI and ArbCom, that I be ''site-banned'' for disagreeing with his edits, even though pretty much everyone else disagrees with them too. If there's a hostile editing environment, I'm not the one to blame. And as in (1) above, it was not a threat anyway -- I was offering a favour in exchange for CurtisNaito granting me the favour of not requesting that I be site-banned anymore. If this is what you meant, it's a good faith misunderstanding, and I will try to avoid such misunderstandings in the future, but I should still be unblocked.
	:If (4): Tell me the policy. I won't violate it again. I also won't appeal the block, though, since I've been here too long for ignorance of the rules to be a valid excuse.
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	:I'm very sorry to have seen this develop. However, even if ] had no problem, a reaction like this was inevitable due to the excited, verbose and frequent remarks on numerous pages. What possible benefit did you think your comment would bring? It contains a strong accusation, but has no evidence. It looks like attempted blackmail—if you won't try to get me banned, I won't point out your (alleged) defects. Given their responses to earlier comments, a moment's thought would show that the recipient is extremely unlikely to pay any attention to the claims, so the post is totally ineffective and merely battlefield conduct. Even if there were no prior interaction with the recipient, there is essentially zero chance of anyone reacting to a message like that in a way that would benefit you. I tried to follow the back-and-forth on some article talk pages, but the posts were unhelpful as they attempted to cover too many points, and conducted battles on too many fronts. In particular, an attempt to show that an editor has a pattern of promoting articles with serious sourcing errors needs very calm and careful evidence—that cannot happen in the middle of other disputes. A case of that nature would need to be prepared in a sandbox, mentioning only the facts and no user names. Further, there should be no emotive language—anyone capable of reading evidence knows that overlooking sourcing errors is the worst wikicrime. Good luck with your editing, but my advice would be to take a lot longer to respond to a discussion—fewer posts, each focused on a small number of points relating to text in articles (not editors), with evidence. ] (]) 05:32, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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	::@]: I ] that offering not to post any more GARs in exchange for CurtisNaito no longer requesting that I be site-banned might actually get through to him. I never in my wildest dreams thought he would take my offer, go to ArbCom, and present my offer as a threat. I probably should have seen it coming because his last post ''also'' misquoted me (as saying the ''opposite'' of what I very clearly said), but, as Nishidani, Cuchullain and many others will tell you, I take AGF way too far. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:12, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::Everyone knows that CurtisNaito can't edit for nuts. Everyone knows Hijiri goes overboard every time, and as his anxieties hit the passive-aggressive mirror that is CN, they redound against him. I don't know how many times I've seen you offload huge threads, run up large commentaries, wondering 'who reads this pettifogging'? When you keep running into problems on boards, at some point you have to look at yourself not at the shit-stirrers in question. You take the foibles, feeblies and foilings of the obtuse far too seriously, and if you had spent a 1/10th of the time you spend litigating on talk pages on article construction, you would have found enough consent among fellow editors to ensure than the CurtisNaitor nongocracy of two diminished its textual presence.] (]) 07:14, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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	@ArbCom: Just for the record, is an outright lie. The list was meant to be a database of SPAs operating in Japan-Korea dispute areas. There is very clearly a massive sockpuppetry problem in that area, and I was trying to figure out who was whose sockpuppet. I made one poor judgement call (which I quickly retracted) that TH1980 was a sockpuppet of one of those users (per the evidence below, his being a meatpuppet of the ''pro-Japanese'' POV-pusher CurtisNaito would make a lot more sense). Many of the users listed appeared to hold views I ''agree'' with. It was not an "enemies" list. TH1980 has been trying to throw this in my face for months, even though the second someone complained about it I removed it. It would be really nice if someone could block him for this abuse. In fact, well over half of his edits during this period have been ] of me.
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	22-27 December 2014: TH1980 and CurtisNaito (who had with Hijiri88 on the Korean influence article in October) have friendly interaction on an unrelated article.
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	2 February 2015: TH1980 posts a "support" immediately below CurtisNaito's comment, even though there was no specific proposal to "support" or "oppose".
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			Hello, pardon before. But if you dont mind, may i ask if this source is credible for wikipedia?
	30 August 2015: TH1980 shows up on the History of Japan page and edit-wars/argues with Hijiri88 despite having never shown an interest in the page before.
			https://kokusho.nijl.ac.jp/biblio/100164361/48?ln=ja
	31 August 2015: TH1980 posts a pointless personal attack against Hijiri88 on CurtisNaito's talk page.
			Im on reviewing ] page and found this link in the japanese version of Misplaced Pages ] (]) 04:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
	9 September 2015: TH1980, in his first ever FAC post, suddenly shows up and takes the opposite side to Hijiri88 in the question of whether the Iwane Matsui article should be promoted.
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	20 September 2015: TH1980, in his first ever GAR post, suddenly shows up and takes the opposite side to Hijiri88 in the question of whether the History of Japan article should be delisted.
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	That's a total of 188 edits in all namespaces, with 112 being Hijiri88-related -- does he have nothing better to do on Misplaced Pages than hound Hijiri88?
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	:{{ping|Nihonjoe}} Would you be willing to look through the above and see if it constitutes grounds for a HOUND block? Thank you in advance. ''']''' (]) 06:50, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
	::If you think you have enough evidence, feel free to bring it up on ]. I don't have the time right now to review everything myself. ···]<sup>]</sup> · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 20:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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	@]: You know perfectly well that was not an attack page but a message for John Carter's attention (he had requested I not post on his talk page), and nothing about it constituted an attack to begin with -- he had deliberately distorted something I said to sound like a paranoid rant, when in fact it was a completely reasonable assertion that his not having a public email address meant whoever had emailed him had a Misplaced Pages account with email privileges. Banned users are not supposed to be editing under sockpuppet accounts, so if he had indeed received an email from such an account he should have declared it openly. was an '''ANI draft''', not an "attack page". I removed it once I posted it on ANI. I was blocked because you lied about me (presented my peace offering as a "threat"), and you are still now lying about me. This needs to stop right now.
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	@]: Would you mind pointing out that everything CurtisNaito and TH1980 have posted on ArbCom so far is a distortion of the truth?
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	If I can offer a bit of unasked advice, I second Nishidani's comments. The key here is the policy ]. I am sure you detest CN's editing (I am pretty sure there are people here who hate my guts and my editing), but you cannot go around fighting with everyone and flinging counter-accusations. The only place for accusations is a properly constituted ] or ArbCom case. Your "offer" on CN's page was interpreted as a threat, not just by CN but by Floquenbeam. Secondly, you need not rebut every accusation made against you. The Arb Case page only exists for determining whether a case is necessary. The evidence page is a separate one, where you can rebut all the things which someone proposes as evidence on that page. Squabbling with a bunch of editors over multiple pages only hurts your case. ] is an iron law on the internet. ]&nbsp;]] 01:29, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: Technically, Floq interpreted it that way ''after'' already reading CurtisNaito's "interpretation", and CurtisNaito has a demonstrable history of ''deliberately misrepresenting'' peace offerings as threats. Indeed, ''after'' my block he has continued posting deliberate misrepresentations of my edits (message that is not an attack drafted in own userspace = attack page, ANI draft made in own userspace = attack page). You and Dennis Brown (and Nishidani) called me out for bludgeoning talk page discussions by consistently responding to everything CurtisNaito said -- but when I said that I would ''not'' be doing this anymore, CurtisNaito opened an ANI thread on me, claiming my statement that I was tired of doing basically what everyone agrees I shouldn't have been doing was a "personal attack" and a "threat". So saying CurtisNaito "interpreted" my latest offer as a threat is missing the point.
	:But you are right on what the current ArbCom thread is meant for. I just don't want the arbitrators to be biased against me based on completely off-topic commentary by my not-involved wiki-stalkers (CurtisNaito, while not as bad as TH1980, also has a demonstrable history of following my edits). Especially when that off-topic commentary consists of obvious lies.
	:] (<small>]]</small>) 01:53, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
	:: Consider your statement that "I just don't want the arbitrators to be biased against me...". Now consider that in trying to fix this, you got yourself blocked completely unnecessarily. Which outcome is likely to "bias" the arbitrators more? At some point, you have to stop paying attention to what people write about you. You cannot go around rebutting everyone and fighting with them. In my experience, many people get blocked not based on the edits in the article space, but on useless arguments on talk pages, user talk pages and arb pages. At some point, either you ask for intervention at ] etc. or if you don't get support against an editor, drop the ] and get along, always focusing on content ]. ]&nbsp;]] 02:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
	:::You're confusing my responses to your two points. The action that got me blocked was my post on CurtisNaito's talk page that was meant as a peace offering ("You stop haranguing me and I'll do this favour for you") was taken as a threat/personal attack. What I said was meant to keep the arbitrators from being made biased against me (discrediting TH1980 and CurtisNaito's open lies about me) was all done ''after'' my block. I have tried to ask for intervention on ANI, but two or three particular ANI junkies are at this moment so obsessed with undermining everything I do that nothing I post there has any effect. But I don't even want to fight with CurtisNaito and these users. I want to build a frickin' encyclopedia. Everytime I settle into non-controversial article edits, one of them jumps in with a new thread about me on ANI or some such. I don't know why they keep following me and going higher and higher up in their attempts to get me blocked for something that they claim (without providing any evidence) I may have done to them months or years ago. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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	@]: Just noticed . While you may certainly be right (I'd say you probably are), your logic was flawed. The "-ize" spelling is ambiguous in terms of ], as it would have made just as much sense to add ]. If the IP you referred to had been me (it wasn't) then "American English" would be an inaccurate description. Some other, later, unambiguous edit will need to be found. ] (<small>]]</small>) 09:30, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
	* Well, unless nobody objects to using AmEng---we only need to know precedence if there's a dispute. Like everything else, ENGVAR can change (particularly if it hasn't been firmly established). ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 11:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
	*Feel free to go through edit by edit from the beginning of the article, then. I disagree with the spelling be ambiguous. ···]<sup>]</sup> · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 22:03, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
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	Just to let you know, might not be a good idea to be asking for CN to be blocked "right now" or else a certain someone might come along and acuse you of gaming because of the ArbCom case. Your "suddenly" wanting him to be blocked for "supposed" IDHT might affect his ability to present evidence "directly" to boost the case against you. ''']''' (]) 13:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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	:@]: That would make him the biggest hypocrite on Misplaced Pages, since he already essentially asked another admin to block ''me'' even though (unlike CN) I am actually a key player in the ArbCom case. Although his hypocrisy on the point is already pretty obvious, since he also supported my last block which was a direct result of CN lying about me on ArbCom. Also, unlike your ANI thread on TH1980, I don't think an indef block is appropriate here, so I did not request such, nor would I. A 72-hour block wouldn't interfere with ArbCom one way or the other, especially if a week-long block of one of the users whose name is part of the case name apparently was in the best interests of the case.
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	:Additionally, the fact that I was complaining about CN's IDHT issues, and saying he should eventually be blocked for them, , should make it pretty easy to disprove any more of that user's fabrications about "suddenness" and "supposedness".
	:Anyway, I don't even particularly want a block. I want an admin to tell CN off for his misbehaviour. I know it shouldn't matter how many admins tell him off, given how ''literally everyone else'' has ''already'' told him off.
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			would it be possible to have your support on the Yasuke-article? i saw in the archives your name and i think, that your knowlege about Yasuke could benefit the article and the sources about paper in Japan about this figure.
	@]:<del>What battleground behaviour? CurtisNaito and TH1980 are the ones who have been outright refusing to engage in constructive discussion. Is this because I ''said'' they have refused to engage in constructive discussion? Strmgewehr88, Curly Turkey and about a half-dozen other users have said the same. The only edit I made there in the last 24 hours was , and I simply expressed the exact same thing everyone else on the page was feeling and had said both there and elsewhere numerous times. Is this because I GARed a different article that I had expressed serious doubts about months before CurtisNaito ever even edited the history of Japan article? That's not battleground behaviour; the article simply is not a GA, and I no longer have the energy to attempt to make it a GA. If it ''is'' because of the latter, you need to reword your blocking rationale, as the only connection between the two is that CurtisNaito has engaged in the same IDHT/OR on both pages.</del> ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:40, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
			I am personally mainly interested about the Japanese academic view about his slavery background. --] (]) 02:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	:Shit. Sorry ]. I saw you had blocked me first and noticed you hadn't blocked TH1980, who has engaged in outright PAs against me on that talk page, or Curly Turkey, who said the same things as I did only more aggressively and with less tact about saying them on an article talk page. However I see you actually ''did'' block CurtisNaito, which means your block of me was in good faith and not just another attempt by an admin to prop up one side of a content dispute (you'd be surprised how often that happens in the Japanese history and literature area). I don't mind you not blocking TH1980 -- I have confidence that the issue with him will be resolved soon enough. You did a better job here than I gave you credit for, and I apologize for the above failure to AGF. I'll take my block quietly. (I think the ArbCom case would scare off any roaming admins who might otherwise review a block appeal, so an appeal would just stay there until the block expired, like what happened in August; I strongly encourage ], who is also party to the ArbCom case, to follow my lead.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC) (Edited: ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:53, 19 December 2015 (UTC))
			:Sorry, no. I don't care about Ubisoft videogames and I am frankly disgusted having expressed an interest in Japanese history on this site and elsewhere has now caused people who clearly have no knowledge of or interest in Japan to see me as a "brother in arms". I don't know why someone whose account is two months old would be reaching out to mostly retired editors about articles they worked on three years ago, but this is ''super'' suspicious. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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	@]: Please bring the dispute to ANI. It belongs there, as it has nothing to do with article content and everything to do with user behaviour. It does not belong on the article talk page. CurtisNaito's outright refusal to listen and TH1980's very obvious hounding campaign against me have now resulted in me getting blocked. That is completely inappropriate and needs to be resolved. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:43, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	:]: On second thought, bringing it to ANI right now (or any time before either my block or CurtisNaito's expires) might be taken as a proxy appeal of my block (if TH1980 did so it might be taken as a proxy appeal of CurtisNaito's block), and I don't want it blowing up in my face (if no one unblocks me then someone might say six months or three years down the line that a dozen admins reviewed my block on appeal and unanimously refused to unblock me -- ]). ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:05, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	:: I'm not taking it to ANI until I've hunted up, sorted, and properly contextualized the diffs. Like I've told you before, it's extremely hard for an outsider to see just what the problem with CurtisNaito is—it took me weeks (months?) at History of Japan before I finally figured it out—back then I actually thought you guys were all a big part of the problem, especially since I ran into issues myself right away with Nishidani and Signedzzz. It has to be well organized and framed well—especially since it can't conceivably be ''concicse''. It'll have to be done, though—the article can't be left in his hands. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 06:44, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::@]: Makes sense. Can you run the draft by me first, though? I have no doubt in my mind that you are better at drafting such things in an ANI-acceptable manner than I am, but I have been dealing with these two a lot longer than you (CN's grudge against me goes back to ] and his acting out on it goes back to ]) and it's possible you might miss something. You know my email anyway. Nishidani and Sturmgewehr88 might want in as well. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:19, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::: Yeah, sure. Don't expect it soon, though. It's about the most tedious work I can imagine doing at Misplaced Pages. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 21:31, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
	:::::Yeah, I know. Sorry to leave it up to you; it would probably take me even longer, and if my "Japanese culture" TBAN goes through I won't be able to discuss much of CurtisNaito's problems on-wiki once it does (hence my asking you to email me). Aemon Targaryen and all that. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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	@]: (re: ) What holiday? You keep reverting me with no explanation, and your edit makes no sense: ''The same year numerous stone monuments relating to key events in Jimmu's life were erected around Japan. The sites at which these monuments were erected are known as "Emperor Jimmu Sacred Historical Sites". After World War II, the holiday was criticized as too closely associated with the "emperor system." It was suspended from 1948 to 1966, but later reinstated as National Foundation Day.'' One sentence doesn't flow into the other; either fix the prose and find a source to support it, or kindly stop reverting. ] (<small>]]</small>) 04:14, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
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	@]: I won't "go elsewhere" either way. I'll bring my "Japanese culture" contributions to French Misplaced Pages and keep contributing to everything else on English Misplaced Pages. Probably spend more time on the Christianity and Bible articles, and Chinese history and literature. In a year's time French Misplaced Pages will have better coverage of Japanese poetry than English Misplaced Pages -- I have after all been the only one contributing anything worthwhile to that area for at least three years, with no one even being able to find any fault with 99% of my edits. What other users want to do about the ArbCom results is their own business, but I would find it highly surprising if TH1980 gets out of the whole affair without at least 1RR. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:58, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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	::The Warlord of Mars did specifically ] that I would "follow" him there, but the fact that I was most active in the area last September, six months before my dispute with him started, and on that page we were on the same side. If after pointedly getting me banned from 90% of the articles I have ever edited he explicitly tries to force me out of the topic area that already accounted for the remaining 10% because I "followed him" there, I'll have a pretty good case for an IBAN.
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	:@]: I frankly think ArbCom have been doing an abysmal job of dealing with the CurtisNaito/TH1980 problem. Even worse than Dennis Brown. When I asked them why my conflict over some Nichiren Buddhist topics was resulting in a proposed TBAN from "Japanese culture", ] essentially said "your conflict on the Korean influence article proves you are the problem editor in this area". Apparently, the attitude of several Arbs is something like "the worst TH1980 and CurtisNaito have done is edit-war, but they appear to be right on the substance, so they should not be sanctioned in any meaningful way". Don't worry: once the case is closed and the disruption only gets worse because one of the ''good'' editors is not allowed get involved, we can ask for an amendment to deal with the root cause of the disruption. (Or you can ask on ANI, but I may be unable to help.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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	:{{ping|Kingsindian}} You are right, as usual, and thank you for your advice. But I think you may have slightly misunderstood me: when in my latest edit I said "this user" doesn't like me, I was talking about AlbinoFerret; I have no IBAN with this user, although I deeply desire one; every one of my interactions with this user have been instigated by them, and even when a majority of outside users take my side, he somehow always finds a way to oppose me and get away with obviously only being there as part of a HOUNDing campaign against me; I suspect it might have started because I challenged a lousy RFC close he made a year ago (my TBAN prevents me from telling you what RFC...). And when I posted the initial request for clarification, I honestly intended to check if ''both'' that other user ''and'' I were allowed comment on the area we are TBANned from on "pages" that aren't technically "related" to the topic. This ''is'' how our TBAN is currently worded, and I still think it should be amended. The AE filing was a careless action on my part, done on the advice of an admin who acted in good faith but apparentky didn't know about the IBAN; I should have thought more about the implications of this action, and I apologize for the mess it has caused. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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	:@]: Understood. I will be more careful in the future, and will avoid doing that thing you told me not to do. And I should like to thank you for not throwing me under the bus when you pointed out that you had directed me to file the AE report. I also apologize for not making it clear to you in the original ARCA filing that there was an IBAN in place. I guess you probably wouldn't have given me that direction if I had laid the entire case out properly in the first place. Anyway, no harm no foul. Happy editing!
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	How strict is your TBAN? Are you allowed to, say, translate J-poetry into English? I suppose I could <s>butcher</s> do it myself, but I thought J-lit was your background. I'm expanding ], and the shunga versions of the prints each come with a tanka. If it's something you can't do, don't worry about it. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 13:59, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
	:If I do it for you off-wiki and email it it should be okay. But I don't know about translating primary source material and putting it in the mainspace in general (see ] for a list of poems I kinda think should be in the article, but it's a list of ones of which I happen to have access to English translations, rather than ones for which I found a place in the article). Anyway, if you can email me the scans (or better yet the text) I'll take a shot at it. ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:18, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
	:: Well, I've already got the Japanese in the article itself, though the book also gives glosses (reverse furigana?) with kanji for some of the hiragana. If you need that, I can mail it to you. I've just kind of slapped the Japanese & romanization into the article, but would it be better to format it like you've got at ]? I'm not a big fan of boxes these days, especially wide ones that might be hard to read on a smartphone. The book itself doesn't even break the poems into lines. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 10:38, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
	::: Actually, I just found that has translations. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 11:42, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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Re: 'Xinjiang' in apple

I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in apple because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit here and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not trying to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective WP:IFITAINTBROKE interpretation. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? Peter coxhead (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

All interpretations of WP:IFITAINTBROKE are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh Tian Shan in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, Mount Hua, Qilian Mountains, the mountain ranges of the Tibetan and the Loess Plateau). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved WP:LINKCLARITY; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.

Secondly, also for you @Peter coxhead, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of WP:LINKCLARITY—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is not a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are kinda in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to China proper as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and definitely not "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).

I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to Kyoto as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "east-of-the-barrier" and "west-of-the-barrier" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase Northwest China and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our Shaanxi article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is not an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument against using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked both sources and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.

I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.@Nardog: I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally disagreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.

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Deletion of referenced paragraph at Mottainai

I just saw your edit deleting 1,444b at Mottainai. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions ("... don't get in trouble again"). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, see here. Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."

Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is specifically about Japanese poetry (the Haiku in English article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about repeatedly reinserting content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.

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@Staticshakedown: Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did here. Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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I have unwatched Onna-musha having found your response aggressive

I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? Mountaincirque 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't knowingly 'double-down' on anything, I didn't realise you were the original proposer of the move until a few minutes ago. It was a comprehension mistake. I'm sorry you felt my comments were frustrating, I'll aim to be more careful with snipping people's comments in future but I still feel you came back way too hard and assumed I was trying to mislead when in fact I was inviting you to comment as I thought you were a responder to the original move request. I'm bowing out here, let's both agree to be better? Mountaincirque 14:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

You responded to my saying that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the buke class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert LLC citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for review at Yasuke

Hello Hijiri,

I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article Yasuke. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a hatamoto: "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.

Your insight and knowledge would be much appreciated. — Goszei (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Goszei: I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of Japanese history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.

As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially slang. As for Japanese usage, Kojien gives the primary meaning of "same as saburai, i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the Japanese middle ages (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime Afro Samurai: the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Apologising

I have noted what you said. Just try to see other editors as potential helpers/allies, rather than opponents. Even if you're not in agreement, if you remain calm and even light-hearted you can easily win people over. John Smith's (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean... I know that, but I'm not trying to win anyone over. I wanted to fix the "onabu-geisha" hoax, and unless you or some unnamed third party are trying to undo that, I don't see any disagreement, let alone a need to argue or convince anyone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Edit conflict with speedy close

Retarget Wait, what!? It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect 3.11 that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that Polyamorph (talk · contribs) "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for discussion is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. Polyamorph (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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@Elizium23: I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on Talk:Yasuke and Talk:Samurai, I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited no sources for the better part of a month before eventually citing Misplaced Pages, while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a WP:POINT). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on Samurai implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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Between suspicion and aspersion

Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's not OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to WP:SPI and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.

Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the first time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).

I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I do think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me (Comparing editors to Nazis is actually one of the specific examples listed at WP:WIAPA -- it's actually what got the famous Til Eulenspiegel initially banned from editing English Misplaced Pages), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given WP:ROPE and has been abusing it, but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

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Natemup, Stormshadows00, and Katemeshi101

@Blue Pumpkin Pie: I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" Yasuke article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.

Extended content

I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right. As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC) editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict") Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai because the show is fiction and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC) You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC) Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC) I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. Historian Thomas Lockely Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, almost certainly granted such samurai status is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

However, if you would like to continue handling the matter, I can offer you whatever advice/assistance you may want (beyond the above replies that I decided not to post) here on my own talk page.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I'm only talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant WP:FORUMSHOPping/WP:CANVASsing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Dangling ref

Hi Hijiri88, I have been working on fixing dangling references that have no corresponding sources, and it appears you added a ref to Aisome-gawa (otogi-zōshi) in this edit. Do you know the source? For now, I have hidden the source. Let me know if you need any assistance if you do know the source! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 04:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Aussie Article Writer: Thank you for the message! It was likely a copy-paste error: I'm pretty sure I was copying pieces of the formatting from Aisome-gawa (Noh), which I had written two weeks earlier. I just checked, and the Tokue article was the source for this sentence as with the rest of the article. Sorry for the confusion! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ve fixed it now. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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BLUD

@CycoMa and Crossroads: I don't think I was the referent of this edit, but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per WP:PACT, I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.

My WP:FORUMSHOPping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the initial post was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics. And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".

Anyway, upon noticing the above comment by CycoMa, I decided that it might be a bad idea to post this:

Possible accidental bludgeoning. Clarification of (non-)use of atashi by (cisgender?) men, and elaboration on why it's not that important.

That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says females, rarely males. Newimpartial (talk) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.) I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up this and this as sources indicating that atashi is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use atashi to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning WP:BURDEN on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use atashi"): it is very female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC) Sorry! It's not obvious from my edit summary, but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in jidaigeki as well as in rakugo; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is WP:BLUE that atashi is feminine (see also User:EvergreenFir's comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances. These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language (I focused on atashi because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are what I would call determiners, although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex"). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Your thoughts?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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I'm feeling very "seen" right now

I won't go into details, but I'd like to thank the editors (they know who they are) who have helped me through this relatively very difficult time. :-) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

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Your <small> tags on your comment here appear to be breaking the rest of the page - at least for me. Could you fix them. Thanks.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)_tags_on_ANI"> _tags_on_ANI">

Someones fixed it now.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WP:ANI that involves you

As a courtesy see here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

FTR I have no idea who Cavalryman is. I guess it refers to either Reyk or Piotrus. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

No, there is an actual user named Cavalryman and he's not the same person as me or Piotrus. Reyk _YO! 17:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Reyk: Sorry, I had hoped it would be clear that I was joking about the absurdity of Cavalryman having "invited" me to participate at ANI when I had known about the ANI thread(s) almost a month ago, mentioned it on the talk pages of both you and Piotrus (who was the first one to notify me), expressed my simultaneous feeling of responsibility and reluctance to comment multiple times, and actually commented before any interaction with Cavalryman (who I only responded to in a capacity that I felt was so peripheral to the discussion that I made my text small). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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Just so we're clear

I'm pretty sure that the wording of my questions to the various ArbCom candidates just now would have been permissible even if BANEX did not cover questions to potential Arbitrators who may be assessing an appeal of a ban to which my question applies in the future. However, I feel fairly confident that it does apply, at least as much as my question on Beeblebrox's talk page here (which, unlike my question to the ArbCom candidates, actually mentioned the other IBAN party by name six times). And yeah, sorry about not getting around to posting that appeal yet. It was always a pretty low priority, and I haven't even been able to write any WAM articles this year, so it looks like it'll be another while. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I couldn't find a way to properly phrase this as a question without simply saying "Would you support my appeal if I made it again at some point next year?", which doesn't feel appropriate. Opabinia regalis's answer (courtesy ping) was excellent, but I'm kinda regretting not going further in on the specific details in my initial question (which, needless to say, was worded with deliberate vagueness). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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You wanna take this?

@Crossroads: For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after ...cares enough to pay for that., but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with they. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use she. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great Mitsubishi's official global site has a history section whose front page that reads Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since the its establishment., says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of press releases but simply news updates), their Corporate Profile page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be Number of Board Members is Member of the Board and what should be something like CEO and Representative Director is instead the utterly bizarre Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Probably should also ping User:Tamzin and get her take on the matter. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

To be totally clear, are you okay with me posting it there as a quote from you? I think these are good points. Crossroads 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's totally fine! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Crossroads 06:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Yamato kotoba

Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and every one of them uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? Xia 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure? Most linguistics sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-Kokinshū waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting de facto semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I merely came across this as I'm writing the hu:Vago article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.

"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)" -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.

"Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese." -- page 16-17.

"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin" -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.

So I would be interested to see those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. Xia 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, this is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned this book, which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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I came across an SPI case you filed and realized it had been a long, long time since I ran into you on the project. I hope you are well and just busy with off-line life. A lot of the ANI crowd from 5 or 7 years ago has either left the project and retired or are not hanging out by noticeboards any longer so things seem much more quiet lately (although I don't frequent noticeboards like I did as a new editor so my judgment might be off).

I hope you can return to contributing should you be grabbed by the desire to improve articles. Just thought I'd let you know that I noticed you've been gone and that you've been back recently. Take care, Liz 22:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Please, can you help me with these translations from Japanese to English: Kotanbetsu (ja:古丹別駅), Onishika (ja:鬼鹿村), Brown Bear Storm (ja:羆嵐), Japan Hunting Friends Association (ja:大日本猟友会), Hokkaido Government Police Department (ja:北海道庁警察部), Haboro Police Station (ja:羽幌警察署), 28th Infantry Regiment (Japan) (ja:歩兵第28連隊), Japan Action Enterprise (ja:ジャパンアクションエンタープライズ), Kaoru Takagi (ja:高木薫), Hokkaido Wine (ja:北海道ワイン). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.21.33.91 (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it? 79.16.244.59 (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hijiri hasn't edited since November 26....be patient. Lectonar (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@79.16.244.59: Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?

@Lectonar: Thanks for the assist!

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Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

• You seem to confuse goals and means. The goal is to have more articles on Misplaced Pages with relevant content. So if you can create more articles, please start with that first, regardless of in whuch categories the articles will end up. Categories are a means to navigate between related articles easily, they are not a goal in itself and there is no hurry in creating new categories at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, pardon before. But if you dont mind, may i ask if this source is credible for wikipedia?

https://kokusho.nijl.ac.jp/biblio/100164361/48?ln=ja

Im on reviewing Tachibana Dosetsu page and found this link in the japanese version of Misplaced Pages 139.193.50.17 (talk) 04:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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would it be possible to have your support on the Yasuke-article? i saw in the archives your name and i think, that your knowlege about Yasuke could benefit the article and the sources about paper in Japan about this figure. I am personally mainly interested about the Japanese academic view about his slavery background. --ErikWar19 (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I don't care about Ubisoft videogames and I am frankly disgusted having expressed an interest in Japanese history on this site and elsewhere has now caused people who clearly have no knowledge of or interest in Japan to see me as a "brother in arms". I don't know why someone whose account is two months old would be reaching out to mostly retired editors about articles they worked on three years ago, but this is super suspicious. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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