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			Andy... again?! after all this time?
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	Hi Andy, Please stop undoing the edits on Superheater and take the time to read the text. Unsaturated steam and wet steam are the same thing. When I first read the article, it was confusing, which is why I took the time to edit it. The revised text should be clearer to everyone. ] ] 00:34, 26 January 2014

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	Good Morning Andy,

			== Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels ==
	I was somewhat dismayed to note that the old myth regarding which way coping saw blades face has re-emerged :-( I refer you to our previous exchanges at https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Andy_Dingley/Archive_5#Coping_Saw and within it the excellent Blog post you put me on to at http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/coping-saws-from-bricks-to-fretwork-frogs

			Hi Andy
	It is not worth 'going to the stake over' but all reversions cite TechnologyStudent.com as the definitive reference. V.Ryan's website is a most commendable effort by a practising D&T teacher in the north of England on behalf of his and other's students - and just as prone as anyone else to this perpetuated myth.

			You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm
	I can only repeat my evidence from 2014 - i.e. "that it all depends on how they are used, i.e. if pulled down on to a V board then, yes, backwards as with a fretsaw for the same reason, but if used more normally with work held in a vice then, if cutting on the back stroke, sawn waste would obscure the line being followed - and is unnecessarily uncomfortable to do. My evidence is in every B&Q store – the manufacturers Eclipse package their fret saws with blades facing the handle but they package coping saws with them facing forwards. Note also that jigsaws have teeth pointing downwards so the line is not obscured by waste during cutting."

			Regards
	Christopher Schwarz in his Blog cites several references to support this by clarifying "downward stroke" and only a “Band Saw Handbook” - the actual focus of which is perhaps another tool all together.
			Bruce

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	Is there no way we can remedy this once and for all? I would be very happy to write the necessary text but have no wish to star another round of confusing changes. I would cite “Trade Foundations”, “The Essential Woodworker”, “Tools for Woodwork”, “Carpentry & Construction” from the Blog (www.popularwoodworking.com) and http://wiki.dtonline.org. I only take issue with Christopher Schwarz in his comment that opinion is so divided - from what he cites there is clear consensus that blades only face the handle if they are pulled downwards - in normal use, the reverse is the case.
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	Is there anything you would like to discuss with me? I'm asking based on your recent postings at ANI about me. Am really asking. Thanks. ] (]) 20:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
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	: That would belong at ] I see your edit-warring over this as already being block-worthy and far from giving a good result content-wise. This was a poor article to begin with, with many of the problems you complain of. But some of the content you've removed was a highly subjective judgement as to what is important or not. There are a continual stream of spammy articles on 3D print startups all wanting coverage here - but RepRap is one of the four big names (MakerBot, Shapeways, Stratsys) that really do have a significant and decade-long history in the field.
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	: Also removing such an extensive proportion of any article in one edit is just never a good edit, procedure wise. It makes it hard for other editors to work with such a monolithic change and it positively encourages a simple blanket reversion.
	: WP seems incapable of handling ] as a topic area though (not the first such area). ] (]) 21:00, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
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	Thanks for checking out the Anjan Contractor page. I'll add sources. And remove what you pointed out as promotional. Let me know if you can withdraw your deletion request.] (]) 21:35, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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	Hi Andy, thanks but I am definitely not Anjan Contractor. I did used to work with him though and, as part of what is called a "Maker lab" he has one heck of a name in the 3D printing space. He has a significant amount of press on him, including near-daily articles. You're correct to point out that some are blogs and so on, but that's irrelevant. Wired has written about him as has Fox News, NBC, NPR, PBS, PC Mag and so on.

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	Many thanks for my admittedly clumsily worded and poorly typed addition (and faith in human nature): I hold my hand up to not providing citations but I was doing just that when I got an edit conflict and started over, hopefully improving on the first effort. (As a newbie I assumed, maybe naively, that the term 'citation needed' means 'please add a citation' rather than a slash-and burn notice, but I'll be wiser next time.)

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	So, just between us, do ''you'' have any idea what ''unecyclopedic'' means? I'm serious, I've had various WP yellow cards re. typography, what side of the Atlantic the article belongs on, the gold standard for articles etc, but un-encyclopedic isn't even in the dictionary: when I checked my Kindle I got 'unending', 'unendowed' and 'unendurable', while 'encyclopedic' means 'comprehensive in terms of information' so I'm beginning to suspect it was actually an encylopedia joke.

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	The whole point of my addition was to place bald (but incomplete) facts into a context that makes sense of what the article previously implied was an example of typically British muddled thinking. Since there demonstrably ''was'' a logical underpinning that explains why a turret fighter might possibly be operated by the pilot in the direct fire role I thought it at least worth ''airing'', with the side-benefit of eliminating the vastly irritating if unvoiced 'Wow, crazy, huh?' conclusion.

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	The (apparently) contentious aspect of the entire turret fighter imbroglio seems (to me at least) to revolve around the wider issue of responding to the entirely unprecedented new reality of 'lightning war'... so I can't help wondering if there is mileage in mentioning somewhere that in the context of the fall of France all bets were off. If that seems blindingly obvious as matters stand various articles seem to omit the words

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	Or addressed in a pre-existing article, assuming it's not already there and only needs finding and linking?
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	: I have no idea. I barely care. I might even agree with them.
	: My point is though that we should try to move ''forwards''. Your addition was unsourced, and that's a ''real'' problem. This vague handwave of "not encyclopedic" though? If they'd tagged it as uncited I'd have supported that. If they'd said it was unclear I'd have agreed. Even if they'd ''removed'' it as unsourced, I'd have had no good argument against that. To simply ''dismiss'' it like this though, on an aircraft that's all about the unorthodox approach to gunnery - makes no sense to me. Whatever should be done with this, it needs to make some attempt to make things ''better'', not conveniently worse.
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	:I'm trying to find sources and expand citations made since your reply (arguably my alterations should have been completely authoritative but it's a pain when disparaging comments - themselves unsourced - seem to have buried the subject matter) but I'll keep on digging and hopefully answer your points.
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	:While my gut says the type was thrown into a conflict for which it wasn't designed and was tragically ill-suited as a panic measure I can't find anything to back it up, so it's sitting in the wings (pun intended) until I can quote chapter and verse.
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	:Something that bugs me about this specific aircraft is why there was no serious attempt improve the type by ''removing the turrets''. Okay, they were the whole point of the design but it's not unusual for a decent airframe to be re-purposed (and not just as target tugs):
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	:As drop-in systems the turrets ''could'' have been hoiked out, the existing guns mounted for 'zero deflection shooting' in the vacant space, the gap faired-over and the things flown as single-seat interceptors. I'm astonished I can't find any evidence the option was mentioned, mighty odd for a time when biplanes were being retrofitted as wing-and-a-prayer attack planes but in context there was a ''lot'' going on...

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	: Looks fine now. I think we agree that the 17 pdr belongs on a list of comparable main guns.
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	::No, when I went to the diff it said the section in question was ''removed''. And then when I was trying to fix that I managed to undo the edit, at which point it ''really'' disappeared. I rolled back, hoping that fixed it. ] (]) 22:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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	Your comments and are inappropriate for an article Talk page. You seem to be more focused on me than on the actual sources and contents there - you have not dealt with what the GE reference actually says and what its purpose is, which is to make some argument about when and if Be was used in fluorescent light bulbs, which is not what citations are for in Misplaced Pages.

	You appear to have been attracted to the Talk page via the Talk page of Wtshymansk where I had left an ] a 3RR notice, which appears to be on your watchlist as you have ; as shortly after I left that you came to the article, which '''''', and and then shortly after that responded to me at W's Talk page . That is blatant HOUNDING.

	As I at W's talk page, I will warn you '''again''' not to turn Misplaced Pages into a ] and do not ]. If you continue to personally attack me at article Talk pages I will bring you to ANI and based on this very clear pattern you will not have a leg to stand on. If you have something to say to me, say at my talk page, and do not abuse article Talk pages going forward. ] (]) 18:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

	: You're right - they clearly belong at ANI. I'll copy them over. ] (]) 18:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
	::Do as you will. Going to ANI with unclean hands is foolish, and this will boomerang on you, even if you get me chastised - which I will acknowledge even now is not unlikely. I know I am too harsh sometimes - this is not some big revelation. Your turning an article Talk page into a battleground and screwing up an article is a much worse offense, in my mind. The article is about a medical condition and you are going all ballistic on something OFFTOPIC. It is completely inappropriate and just ]y. Unclean hands you have. ] (]) 18:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

	::: You suggest I need a , and then you accuse other editors of having "unclean hands"? ] (]) 20:22, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::a) what I ''had'' written was if you accept the one source you should accept the other - perfect parallel construction; b) I removed that (I disowned it - because it is clearly inflammatory and there is no point in going there) and my final comment is ; while your inappropriate comments still stand and you are fully owning them. And it is bad sign when people go digging through edit versions for dirt. You are really battlefielding this Andy, and yes it is frustrating me and i am allowing myself to write some unhelpful things. But i am catching myself. ] (]) 20:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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	I noticed an edit of yours to the talk page of this article questioning Marc's relevance to WikiProject Railwats or some such. I'd agree, but what struck me is that of all the Wikiprojects he is 'of interest to' there does not seem to be any that relate to the block-making machinery, which to my mind is undoubtedly the most significant of all the many things he worked on. I'm not familiar with all the wikeprojects...any suggestions?] (]) 13:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
	: I've no great faith in WikiProjects. Most are inactive, the active ones are largely dramaboards, there are some obvious ones missing. "Engineering History" would be such a project. If you created it, I'd join it - but given the lack of benefit from other projects, I've not worried about it.
	: As to "his greatest project", then it was a time of polymaths, not specialists. I couldn't distinguish between the block-making or the civil engineering. ] (]) 13:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels

Hi Andy

You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm

Regards Bruce

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

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Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

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The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

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Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

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Given that you're already at 4RR, you might want to think about self-reverting.

My apologies for the last one though, I think we edit-conflicted when I wl'ed the article for a notable author (the one you keep removing altogether). Andy Dingley (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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