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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2024 == |
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== Alberta Lyles == |
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There’s another woman living more than the Japanese woman Tomiko Itooka, that woman is Venezuelan, her name is Martina Pernalete, she was born in June 18, 1903 ] (]) 00:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> --] (<span style="font-variant:small-caps">]</span>) 00:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Please do not add Alberta Lyles. Research conducted suggests she was born in 1909. |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2024 == |
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Here are the census records for her: |
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United States Census, 1910 |
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] (]) 16:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Name: Alberta Flowers |
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Residence: Gulledge, Anson County, North Carolina |
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Gender: Female |
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Age: 0 |
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Marital Status: Single |
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Race: Mulatto |
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Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter |
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Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Father's Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Father: Janeco W Flowers (26) |
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Mother: Effie B Flowers (20) |
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Agnes Boström, Sweden deceased nov 20th. |
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United States Census, 1920 |
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Name: Alberta Flowers |
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Residence: Gulledge, Anson County, North Carolina |
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Gender: Female |
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Age: 10 |
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Marital Status: Single |
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Race: Mulatto |
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Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter |
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Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Father's Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Father: James W Flowers (36) |
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Mother: Effie Flowers (30) |
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Brother: Hubert Flowers (8) |
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Sister: Rena Flowers (6) |
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Sister: Othella Flowers (4) |
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Sister: Arlene Flowers (3) |
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Sister: Ola Flowers (0) |
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https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasternorrland/agnes-bostrom-112-var-nordens-aldsta-har-avlidit |
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United States Census, 1930 |
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:{{done}}. Thank you. ] (]) 17:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Name: Dallertia Flowers |
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Residence: Gulledge, Anson County, North Carolina, United States |
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Gender: Female |
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Age: 20 |
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Marital Status: Single |
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Race: Negro |
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Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Daughter |
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Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Father's Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Father:James W Flowers (46) |
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Mother: Effie B Flowers (40) |
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Brother: Walter H Flowers (18) |
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Sister: Runa B Flowers (16) |
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Sister: Othella Flowers (14) |
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Brother: Arlan Flowers (12) |
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Sister: Leola Flowers (10) |
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Sister: Jestene Flowers (8) |
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Brother: James Flowers Jr. (5) |
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Sister: Effie Flowers Jr. (3) |
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== 129 years == |
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United States Census, 1940 |
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Name: Alberta Liles |
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Residence: Gulledge Township, Anson County, North Carolina |
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Gender: Female |
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Age: 28 |
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Marital Status: Married |
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Race: Negro |
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Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter-in-law |
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Birthplace: North Carolina |
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Last Place of Residence: Same House |
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Mother-in-Law: Catherine Liles (58) |
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Brother-in-Law: Vernon Liles (17) |
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Husband: James Liles (27) |
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Son or Nephew: Edgar Liles (8) |
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Son or Nephew: Benjamin Liles (4) |
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swami sivananda from India he is 129 years old and still alive his DOB-8-august-1896] (]) 18:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The evidence suggests she is 106, NOT 111, and including her is promoting age exaggeration. --] (]) 22:21, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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:He is in ] where he belongs. ] <sup>(] ])</sup> 20:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2025 == |
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:By the way, this is the reason a GRG-only approach is needed - otherwise, frauds like Alberta Lyles creep in. --] (]) 22:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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::Your ] has no place on Misplaced Pages. Find a reliable source that disputes/disproves her age and she can be removed. Census matches aren't allowed as per ]. And in case you hadn't noticed, this is Misplaced Pages not the GRG. Consensus above was to use sources other than GRG tables. ] (]) 05:03, 22 March 2016 (UTC) |
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:::No, consensus was to use GRG Tables A and E as well as other sources. However, I agree with you that original research has no place on Misplaced Pages; therefore, we should keep Alberta Lyles listed. ] (]) 18:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC) |
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name = Umarova Khuvayda |
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birth date = 01.01.1895 |
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age as of 6 january 2025 = 130 years, 5 days |
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country of residence = Uzbekistan |
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] (]) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:Not verified, not eligible for this page. Upper limit for ] (where she was previously listed) is 130. Claims over 130 can be included in ]. ] <sup>(] ])</sup> 19:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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== Reverted back to GRG-associated == |
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== Izabel Rosa Pereira == |
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Greetings, |
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Izabel Rosa Pereira is the only person in the list not being veryfied by Gerontology Research Group. Checking "LongeviQuest", I could not even find an article in Misplaced Pages about this group. How reliable is it? Is Mrs Pereira's age verified by other groups or at least accepted for approval by Gerontology Research Group? Does it make sense to keep her listed in top ten without further evidence? |
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I've reverted back to a version that is associated with the GRG. It is considered the authority and is the source Guinness uses. Please refrain from attempting to use newspaper articles as proof of age. They rely on the claimant. As seen with ], ], ], ], Pierre Joubert, Damiana Sette, ], and several other cases, age validation is needed - we can't just take the claimant at their word. --] (]) 21:57, 12 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Kind regards |
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Michael ] (]) 21:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:] founder Robert Young is formerly of the GRG. The fans of each organization may disagree, but Misplaced Pages regards them as equally ]. ] <sup>(] ])</sup> 22:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:And I reverted you. Misplaced Pages goes off reliable sources, not just GRG only. In case you didn't notice, this is Misplaced Pages not the GRG so other sources can be included. Consensus is also to include sources outside the GRG. It's not a good idea to revert against consensus on a topic area where discretionary sanctions are in place. ] (]) 00:14, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::No, consensus was to use GRG only. I have a proposal. Unverified cases can be left on the list, but rows with unverified cases must be color-coded red, and pending cases in blue. Verified cases don't need a color coding. This way, people can tell whether a case is verified or not, and unverified cases can be included. Everybody wins. Sound fair? --] (]) 23:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::Consensus is to use sources as well as GRG tables ( and ). This has been discussed and rejected several times. We are NOT going to use GRG only nor will there be separate tables. If you really want GRG only then go join the rest of them over at the Gerontology Wikia otherwise read over the discussions and help with this wikiproject. ] (]) 06:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::Hardly. Why should Misplaced Pages be a mouthpiece for the GRG? As far as Misplaced Pages policy goes, ''verified'' means passing ] with a ], which most newspapers are. It's not our business to doubt their statements. ]<sub>(])</sub> 23:40, 16 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::::The GRG is the internationally recognized authority on the subject. Age verification lets us weed out the frauds - otherwise, cases like Alberta Lyles - who is actually 106, NOT 111 - get traction and it's Carmelo Flores Laura all over again. Remember him? His family claimed he was 123, and news outlets carried the claim....but then researchers found his baptismal record which revealed he was born in 1906 and only 107. Remember Bernando LaPallo? He claimed 114, the documents said 108. There's a long list of cases featured in the media over the years that were not the ages claimed - Zaro Agha, Shigechiyo Izumi, Mitsu Fujisawa, Maria Diaz Cortes, etc. Cruz Hernandez claimed to be 128 when she died in 2007. But last year, researchers found her baptismal record, which proved she was born in 1893 and only 113 (almost 114) at her death. Age verification is needed to prevent fraudsters like Charlie Smith from getting attention for their deception. At the very least, distinguished between GRG-verified cases and cases with just a news report. The GRG is the source Guinness uses. --] (]) 00:38, 17 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::Several other members of the 110 Club persisted in taking this view about the GRG. They are no longer able to edit longevity-related articles on Misplaced Pages. ] <sup>(] ])</sup> 00:48, 17 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::::So you admit you deliberately blocked users in an effort to silence those who disagree with you? I'm not proposing we have several tables, I'm proposing we color-code based on research status. Throughout history, many fraudulent longevity claims have come and gone, and it's better to have some way of distinguishing between cases we are completely certain are the ages claimed (Guinness has the documents) and Li Suqing of China who claims to be 117 and whose family has not submitted documentation. The burden of proof lies on the claimant, not the investigator! --] (]) 00:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC) |
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<!--::::::::(Hiding comment due to a possible ] ~~~~) A few years ago, CommanderLinx joined The 110 Club as "The Doctor", and did not identify himself. Instead, when he was exposed last year, he reacted with hostility, and was promptly banned. --](]) 01:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC)--> |
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:::::And? When such frauds are revealed, the articles can be updated to reflect that. It's not egg on Misplaced Pages's face to have reported what reliable sources said, even if those sources ended up being wrong. I have no qualms about using GRG as a source, but excluding other reliable sources is absurd and goes against Misplaced Pages policy. ]<sub>(])</sub> 05:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::No we are not going to have separate GRG verified only tables. This has been discussed and rejected. You should be aware that discretionary sanctions are in place in this topic area. ] (]) 06:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:From what I can tell, the cases you just listed have articles published by experts that debunk their age claims. Said articles are considered ], which is why they aren't featured on the various other "oldest" lists here. However, none of the folks you removed from this article in that mass removal of yours have been debunked by experts. What you did is vandalism. ] (]) 01:54, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Izabel Rosa Pereira is the only person in the list not being veryfied by Gerontology Research Group. Checking "LongeviQuest", I could not even find an article in Misplaced Pages about this group. How reliable is it? Is Mrs Pereira's age verified by other groups or at least accepted for approval by Gerontology Research Group? Does it make sense to keep her listed in top ten without further evidence?
Kind regards
Michael 2A02:3033:701:FD68:A9CB:FA69:5C2:5C5 (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --AntiDionysius (talk) 00:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Done. Thank you. Renewal6 (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)