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			== NaCl polyhedra ==
	''Thanks!''  for being so polite while I was stumbling around in ].  <br>] (]) 19:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

			Hi, I hope you can help me out as I have nominated ] to become a and now there is some questions about this image.<br>
	== Hi ==
			I hope you have the knowledge to provide answers to the questions . The questions are;<br>
	Hi YBG, thanks for sharing your thoughts in our discussion on WikiProject Oregon. I guess our work is getting broad enough, that I'm sorry to say your work had not really caught my attention yet…but I see you've been working in a number of areas of Oregon content. Thanks! You said you've been keeping an eye on our project for a while…I hope you decide to join us more formally at some point! Also, thanks for the additional bot suggestion; it's a good idea. -] (]) 15:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
			1) This representation is different to all the others I've Googled. Does it have Academic authentication?<br>
			2) But could you add to the description about which colors are which elements.<br>
			I'm a graphic worker and have no knowledge of this subject.<br>
			I really hope you can help me or tell me someone else who might be able, thanks. --''always ping me''-- ] (]) 17:15, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
			:I have got the needed information from another user so this is {{done}}, thanks. --''always ping me''-- ] (]) 19:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

			== Template:List of aqueous ions/header ==
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			My edit was to get ] out of ] when it next runs. Your revert will mean that it remains in the report. Please also note that the namespace prefix is unnecessary. --] 🌹 (]) 16:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
	== Notes to myself ==
			:{{U\|Redrose64}}, I saw you did the same in . But actually, the v-t-e links should lead to the templatepage with the ''content''. The database report title is wrong in these cases. I have no idea on how to prevent these, eh, incorrect edits. -] (]) 16:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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			::Why is a navbar needed anyway? How often is an edit to ] required, for which a navbar would make that edit easier to carry out? --] 🌹 (]) 17:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} I'm thinking of modifing the table in ] to be a bit more concise and readable, one decade per line.
	**Completed on ~~Aug~~ ~~20th,~~ ~~2009~~ ] (]) 05:42, 24 ~~August~~ ~~2009~~ (UTC)		:::Is an unrelated question. (The answer is in the wiki principles). -] (]) 12:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
			::{{yo\|Redrose64}} Excluding navbars from infrequently edited templates could be misunderstood as a claim of ]ership. Including them is a subtle way of inviting editors to collaborate.
	**Also ] ] on ] (]) 06:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
			::I have modified the parent template to pass the navbar in as a parameter so that it only appears in the parent template, and not when the header appears independently or as a part of testcases. This should remove it from next month's report. {{yo\|DePiep}} perhaps this same technique could be used in {{tl\|ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data}} and its /header sub-template.
	* {{aye}} Create ]. ] (]) 06:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
			::In my opinion, the process that generates these reports should explicitly recognize the template-header pattern and make provision for it, not by excluding them as it apparently does /sandbox templates, but by stripping off the /header (or perhaps /anything) before making the comparison.
	** Done ] (]) 08:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
			::In an unrelated side note, {{tpq\|so that the content inside the template or block is more easily editable ''in situ'' where it was found, without having track it down through examining transclusion code.}} (as it says in {{tl\|navbar}}, I had contemplated making the edit link point to the /data subtemplate, which I expect would be the most likely place editors would wish to make changes.
	* {{aye}} Add disambig page for ], ] and maybe others. ] (]) 06:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
	** Added to existing page Sep 11 , ] (]) 03:51, 25 ~~September~~ ~~2009~~ (UTC)		::] (]) 14:31, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
	* ~~{{aye}}~~ ~~Add~~ ~~refs~~ to ] ~~per~~ . ] (]) 08:16, 14 October ~~2009~~ (UTC)		:::Needslessly complicating (isn't this why the header is separated in the first place?), and only use would be to mislead a non-understanding administrative bot. -] (]) 14:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
			::::Yes, needless. But it looks like most of the errors found by the bot are things that can and should be fixed, e.g., typos like "Hungaru" instead of "Hungary" (which I just fixed) and obsolete links left over from page moves. So to help editors like RR64 focus on things that really make a difference, I don't mind a little bit of complication. It's my little bit to facilitate the overall improvement of the encyclopedia. An even better solution would be to make the bot smarter, but that requires more research and time than I'm willing to invest. ] (]) 14:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
	**Done . ] (]) 05:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
			:::::Not jumping for joy, but I think it is OK if editors like {{U\|Redrose64}} understand this database-dump-limitation quirk and so can edit/notedit accordingly.
	* {{aye}} ] of ]: Move 'Description' column to end, left-justify its prose text and top-align all cells, resulting in a visually appealing arrangement with generally triangular content areas and white space. ] (]) 07:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
			:::::BTW, I met this solution I already employed (the table rows are in-article today, so no top-v-t-e-links useful): {{tl\|Isotopes table}}. Looks nice imo. -] (]) 00:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
	** Suggestion made ] (]) 08:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Fix ]'s renamed ] ] (]) 22:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
	** Others have already done this ] (]) 04:07, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Check of ], cf nfl.com ] (]) 06:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
	** , adding <nowiki><Ref>/{{cn}}</nowiki> to facilitate future checks. ] (]) 07:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Fix sorting on ] as done in ] (]) 04:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
	** ] (]) 06:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
	** <s>Add sort by number of associated routes ] (]) 06:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)</s>
	** Or maybe sort by number of states served ] (]) 06:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
	*** ] (]) 05:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Fix per ] ] (]) 05:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
	** ] (]) 07:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
	** Thinking about undoing this change at the request of one non-US reader. ] (]) 08:51, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Add to ] per MacArthur. ] (]) 06:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
	**Done and last week. ] (]) 07:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
	* r ] for ] and ]. ] (]) <small>05:09, 21 February 2012 (UTC) </small> √ 03:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
	* {{nay}} Change and to ] where not anachronistic. ] (]) 13:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
	* {{nay}} Validate to ], check multiple meanings. ] (]) 06:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
	* {{nay}} Fix ] in ] ] (]) 01:15, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
	** Seems OK on IE8 and IE9, but maybe not on other browsers ] (]) 12:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Weigh in on ] ] (]) 23:45, 14 May 2011 (UTC) <small>Done ] (]) 05:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)</small>
	* {{aye}} Combine two tables in ] <small> ] (]) 23:40, 14 May 2011 (UTC) </small> √ Done <small>] (]) 07:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)</small>
	* {{nay}} Fix per ] ] (]) 03:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
	* {{nay}} Fix per ] ] (]) 05:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
	** Maybe not ] (]) 07:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
	* Remove #-links from these dab pages ] (]) 07:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
	** {{aye}} ] ] (]) 22:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
	** {{aye}} ] ] (]) 22:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
	** {{aye}} ] ] (]) 22:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
	* {{nay}} Is the correct style for non-reference notes used ] (]) 16:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
	** The text between the note-mark and note-text had been eliminated, so I considered combining them together. But the note didn't seem to pertain to the section any more, or even to the article, so I it entirely. ] (]) 13:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
	* {{ok}} What happened to the "Cite" button that I found so helpful for entering references? I referred to it , but it seems to have disappeared. ] (]) 15:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
	** Not sure why, but I see it now. 04:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Restructure ] as a table. ] (]) 05:58, 14 March 2013 (UTC) <small>√ done ] (]) 04:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)</small>
	* {{nay}} Figure out how to mark inaccurate translations; apply to ], e.g.,
	** I tried to delete some but most were promptly . ] (]) 05:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
	** Now a part of wikidata ] (]) 08:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
	* {{aye}} Fix ] sorting by status ] (]) 00:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
	** Now included as a separate column in the table. ] (]) 01:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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	* Organize templates for ] of ], ], &c. ] (]) 23:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
	* Modify ] ] to auto-remove '(s)' ] (]) 23:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
	* ] ] (]) 02:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
	* Is there a template to color maps of the US by state? ] (])
	* Add total to lead in ] ] (]) 04:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
	* Hunt for info re ] rest areas on ] ] (]) 22:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
	** http://www.remembrancedriveway.org.au
	** http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM400B_Charles_Anderson_VC_Rest_Area_Federal_Hwy_NSW_Australia
	** http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM7NNB_Kevin_Wheatley_Memorial_Rest_Area_NSW_Australia
	** http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM7NR5_Albert_Chowne_VC_Rest_Area_Murrays_Flats_NSW_Australia
	** http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM4E07_John_Mackey_VC_Rest_Area_Hume_Hwy_NSW_Australia
	* Respond re photos in ] ] (]) 01:48, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
	* Add County column on ] & ] ] (]) 06:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
	**Done and this week. ] (]) 05:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
	*** But this may not be the right thing to do as some are in multiple counties
	**Consider refactoring lists into Eastern & Western Oregon; alpha lists don't make much sense.
	* ] in ] ] (]) 14:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
	* Reorganize ] ] (]) 02:37, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

	== Portland demographics ==

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	This section formerly had a number of alternatives that I eventually moved to ] and then expanded and ].
			Hello, YBG,

			It seems that you added a CSD tag to ] which has now caused every template that includes this one to have a speedy deletion tag on them. Are all of the templates in ] supposed to be deleted? Can you fix this? If you have a template you want deleted, maybe approach an administrator so that the CSD tag doesn't get transcluded on other templates. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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			:{{yo\|Liz}} Thank you. I meant to change the calling template before adding the CSD tag. It should all be OK now. ] (]) 03:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
			::Yeah, templates are an area I don't understand so thank you for fixing the problem. The templates are gone from the CSD category now. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 04:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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	Thank you for the recognition!! I had realised that the main nfl reference cited in the article no longer works; in fact, I replaced that link for another source which lists all the numbers and players honored. This was because the retired jerseys section was supressed from the NFL.com site, I don´t know why. I will continue adding sources as much as I can, thanks ! ] (]) 02:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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			Here’s what I had in mind to replace the picture and quote is at {{slink\|Nonmetal#Halogen nonmetals}}
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	== Criteria for categorization ==

			:@]: As an aside, I’m wondering if you could speculate why “metal” is mentioned so much more in ] than “vertebrate” is in ], or “rational” in ], or “algebraic” in ]? Can you think of any other similar pairs of opposites worth comparing? ] (]) 21:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
	These criteria were originally summarized as a part of the long ] about categorizing nonmetals, but I believe they are just as easily applied to any categorization effort.
			::In chemistry, the properties of nonmetals are often understood in terms of how they differ from metals. This contrast is fundamental to explaining what nonmetals are, hence the frequent mention of "metal" in the context of "nonmetal." On the other hand, terms like "invertebrate," "irrational," and "transcendental number" are defined by the absence of certain characteristics (backbones, rationality, algebraic properties) but do not always require the direct contrast to their counterparts for their definition or understanding.
			::Metals were known and used since antiquity, so much of early chemistry was focused on metals. As a result, when nonmetals were studied, they were often described in terms of how they differed from the already familiar metals. In education, students typically learn about metals before nonmetals, so the teaching and discussion of nonmetals often references metals for context.
			::Other similar pairs: acids and bases; cations and anions; matter and antimatter; conductors and insulators; day and night. --- ] (]) 00:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::@]: Thank you, this stimulates more thinking. In retrospect, another significant difference occurs to me: in the other pairs (vertebrate/invertebrate, rational/irrational, algebraic/transcendental), there is a clear single-property that distinguishes the two: the presence of a backbone, being equal to the ratio of integers, and being the solution of a polynomial with integer coefficients. I suspect that if there were a universally accepted single-property distinction between metal and nonmetal, the comparisons would have seemed significantly less necessary. If you were to create a table to contrast the other pairs, it would end up being something rather trivial:
			:::* (has a backbone) vs. (lacks a backbone)
			:::* (equals the ratio of two integers) vs. (not the ratio of any two integers)
			:::* (equals the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients) vs. (not the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients)
			:::You might be able to add another row or two to such tables, but it would certainly not be anywhere near a interesting or necessary as the contrasts between metals and nonmetals.
			:::Thanks! ] (]) 01:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::Surely there are nonmetallic elements, such as carbon and sulphur, that were as well known to the ancients as gold and copper. --] 🌹 (]) 10:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			::::In terms of physics, there is a clear single property: (has a Fermi surface) vs. (lacks a Fermi surface). It's just that physicists would be more interested in classifying simple substances than abstract chemical elements, so allotropy in C and As poses a problem if you want to apply it to chemical elements. With that said, physical and chemical properties of elements change under pressure too (e.g. ]s showing unusual valencies), so chemistry also inherently has this issue.
			::::In education, metals and nonmetals are surely introduced at about the same time. After all, nonmetals are the majority if you stick to the first three rows, where beginning chemistry courses usually start. I would need to research more to say anything about the history, but something that might be relevant is that the elemental gases H<sub>2</sub>, N<sub>2</sub>, and O<sub>2</sub> were not really identified correctly until Lavoisier's time. ] (]) 12:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::::The problem is a lack of a “'''''universally accepted''''' single-property distinction” between metals and nonmetals. ] (]) 16:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Well, that definition is universally accepted by physicists. So, it seems to me that the issue is that there is a single-property distinction accepted by one field using the term but not another. ] (]) 17:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::Yup. That’s the problem when universal ain’t really universal. ] (]) 17:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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	\| {{element cell\|26\|iron \|Fe\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=iron (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|27\|cobalt \|Co\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=cobalt (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|28\|nickel \|Ni\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=nickel (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|29\|copper \|Cu\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=copper (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|30\|zinc \|Zn\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=zinc (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|31\|gallium \|Ga\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=gallium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|32\|germanium \|Ge\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=germanium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|33\|arsenic \|As\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=arsenic (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|34\|selenium \|Se\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=selenium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|35\|bromine \|Br\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=bromine (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|36\|krypton \|Kr\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=krypton (disambiguation)}}
	\|-
	\| {{element cell\|37\|rubidium \|Rb\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=rubidium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|38\|strontium \|Sr\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=strontium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|39\|yttrium \|Y\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=yttrium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|40\|zirconium \|Zr\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=zirconium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|41\|niobium \|Nb\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=niobium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|42\|molybdenum\|Mo\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=molybdenum (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|43\|technetium\|Tc\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=technetium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|44\|ruthenium \|Ru\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=ruthenium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|45\|rhodium \|Rh\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=rhodium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|46\|palladium \|Pd\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=palladium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|47\|silver \|Ag\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=silver (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|48\|cadmium \|Cd\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=cadmium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|49\|indium \|In\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=indium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|50\|tin \|Sn\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=tin (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|51\|antimony \|Sb\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=antimony (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|52\|tellurium \|Te\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=tellurium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|53\|iodine \|I\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=iodine (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|54\|xenon \|Xe\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=xenon (disambiguation)}}
	\|-
	\| {{element cell\|55\|caesium \|Cs\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=caesium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|56\|barium \|Ba\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=barium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell-asterisk\|1}}
	\| {{element cell\|72\|hafnium \|Hf\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=hafnium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|73\|tantalum \|Ta\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=tantalum (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|74\|tungsten \|W\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=tungsten (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|75\|rhenium \|Re\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=rhenium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|76\|osmium \|Os\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=osmium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|77\|iridium \|Ir\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=iridium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|78\|platinum \|Pt\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=platinum (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|79\|gold \|Au\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=gold (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|80\|mercury \|Hg\|bg=#66CCCC\|border=1px solid black\|link=Mercury}}
	\| {{element cell\|81\|thallium \|Tl\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=thallium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|82\|lead \|Pb\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=lead (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|83\|bismuth \|Bi\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=bismuth (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|84\|polonium \|Po\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=polonium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|85\|astatine \|At\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=astatine (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|86\|radon \|Rn\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=radon (disambiguation)}}
	\|-		\|-
			\| antimony <br> 24.3
	\| {{element cell\|87\|francium \|Fr\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=francium (disambiguation)}}
			\| arsenic <br> 50
	\| {{element cell\|88\|radium \|Ra\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=radium (disambiguation)}}
			\| carbon <br> 2000
	\| {{element cell-asterisk\|2}}
	\| {{element cell\|104\|rutherfordium\|Rf\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=rutherfordium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|105\|dubnium \|Db\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=dubnium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|106\|seaborgium \|Sg\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=seaborgium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|107\|bohrium \|Bh\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=bohrium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|108\|hassium \|Hs\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=hassium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|109\|meitnerium \|Mt\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=meitnerium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|110\|darmstadtium \|Ds\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=darmstadtium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|111\|roentgenium \|Rg\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=roentgenium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|112\|copernicium \|Cn\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=copernicium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|113\|ununtrium \|Uut\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=ununtrium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|114\|flerovium \|Fl\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=flerovium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|115\|ununpentium \|Uup\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=ununpentium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|116\|livermorium \|Lv\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=livermorium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|117\|ununseptium \|Uus\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=ununseptium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|118\|ununoctium \|Uuo\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=ununoctium (disambiguation)}}
	\|-		\|-
			\| colspan=3 \| 6.3 to 429<br> (] - ])
	\| colspan="18" style="height:0.85em;" \|
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			! colspan=3 \|Electrical<ref name="Jenkins"/> S•cm<sup>−1</sup>
	\| colspan="2" {{element cell-asterisk\|1\|align=right}}
	\| {{element cell\|57\|lanthanum \|La\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=lanthanum (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|58\|cerium \|Ce\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=cerium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|59\|praseodymium\|Pr\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=praseodymium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|60\|neodymium \|Nd\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=neodymium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|61\|promethium \|Pm\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=promethium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|62\|samarium \|Sm\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=samarium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|63\|europium \|Eu\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=europium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|64\|gadolinium \|Gd\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=gadolinium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|65\|terbium \|Tb\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=terbium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|66\|dysprosium \|Dy\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=dysprosium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|67\|holmium \|Ho\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=holmium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|68\|erbium \|Er\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=erbium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|69\|thulium \|Tm\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=thulium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|70\|ytterbium \|Yb\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=ytterbium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|71\|lutetium \|Lu\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=lutetium (disambiguation)}}
	\|
	\|-		\|-
			\| antimony <br>2.3 × 10<sup>4</sup>
	\| colspan="2" {{element cell-asterisk\|2\|align=right}}
			\| arsenic <br>3.9 × 10<sup>4</sup>
	\| {{element cell\|89\|actinium \|Ac\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=actinium (disambiguation)}}?
			\| carbon <br>3 × 10<sup>4</sup>
	\| {{element cell\|90\|thorium \|Th\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=thorium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|91\|protactinium\|Pa\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=protactinium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|92\|uranium \|U\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=uranium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|93\|neptunium \|Np\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=neptunium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|94\|plutonium \|Pu\|bg=#CC66CC\|border=1px solid black\|link=plutonium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|95\|americium \|Am\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=americium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|96\|curium \|Cm\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=curium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|97\|berkelium \|Bk\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=berkelium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|98\|californium \|Cf\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=californium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|99\|einsteinium \|Es\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=einsteinium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|100\|fermium \|Fm\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=fermium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|101\|mendelevium\|Md\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=mendelevium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|102\|nobelium \|No\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=nobelium (disambiguation)}}
	\| {{element cell\|103\|lawrencium \|Lr\|bg=#CCCC66\|border=1px solid black\|link=lawrencium (disambiguation)}}
	\|
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			\| colspan=3 \| 0.69 × 10<sup>4</sup> to 63 × 10<sup>4</sup> <br> (] - ])
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	\| colspan=5 align=center style="font-size:90%; background:#CC66CC;" \|<span style="color:#0645AD">Class 2 (44 elements)</span>
	: <nowiki>]</nowiki>
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	\| colspan=5 align=center style="font-size:90%; background:#CCCC66;" \|<span style="color:#992200">Class 3 (77 elements)</span>
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			@]: I think this little table is superior to the prose note in ], but I can’t figure out how to get it into the note and I don’t think it belongs in the main text.
	Interestingly, ] is an oddball in this table, as it is in the standard table -- but not because it is a liquid at room temperature. The classifying principle follows the three criteria I expressed in 2013 and most of the ones I added later:
			{{talk refs}} ] (]) 07:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
	# {{y}} Clear -- but I don't think it is very obvious, hence an appropriate subject for a puzzle like this.
			:It should probably be noted that this is in the in-plane electrical conductivity for carbon. Perpendicular to the planes its conductivity is lower than any metal.
	# {{y}} Unambiguous -- but the classification can change over time
			:Is the thermal conductivity supposed to be for graphite or diamond? We should probably say which, though both are high. But in fact this has nothing to do with metallicity: all the network-covalent nonmetals join the true metals. (Se and Te are a bit below the range of metals, but there is a big gap between them and the molecular nonmetals. For black phosphorus, see .) I guess the major factor here should be large lattice structures reducing phonon scattering. ] (]) 08:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
	# {{y}} Meaningful -- in Misplaced Pages-space, but it has no physical or chemical significance.
			::{{ping\|Double sharp}} The thermal conductivity for C is as graphite, in the direction of its planes. This is stated in the associated part of the article: "Among nonmetallic elements, good electrical and thermal conductivity is seen only in carbon (as graphite, along its planes), arsenic, and antimony." --- ] (]) 05:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
	# {{n}} Referenced -- I am quite certain no reliable source would discuss this
			:::Sorry, I didn't see that YBG had already mentioned this to you. --- ] (]) 05:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
	# {{y}} Specific -- No catch-all classes like "Other X" nor even "Unknown"
			::::{{ping\|Sandbh}} Yes, all has been clarified. But thanks for the ping regardless! ] (]) 07:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
	# {{y}} Unique -- No overlap in classes, at least at a particular point in time
			:@ ]: This table is intended to replace note 8 which currently says
	# {{y}} Complete -- Every element can be classified by this rule
			:: {{tpq\| Thermal conductivity values for metals range from 6.3 W m−1 K−1 for neptunium to 429 for silver; cf. antimony 24.3, arsenic 50, and carbon 2000. Electrical conductivity values of metals range from 0.69 S•cm−1 × 10<sup>4</sup> for manganese to 63 × 10<sup>4</sup> for silver; cf. carbon 3 × 10<sup>4</sup>, arsenic 3.9 × 10<sup>4</sup> and antimony 2.3 × 10<sup>4</sup>.}}
	I'm leaving the classification rule unstated for a few days to provide some entertainment to those who have spent a lot of time discussing the classification of the elements. I know this is somewhat unorthodox and is skirting close to the limits of what is appropriate on talk pages. After a few days, I'll provide the answer. ] (]) 17:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
			:The note is attached to this sentence:
	: {{ping\|Double sharp}} {{ping\|Sandbh}} {{ping\|DePiep}} You might be interested in this. Feel free to ping others. ] (]) 19:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
			:: {{tpq\|Among nonmetallic elements, good electrical and thermal conductivity is seen only in carbon (as graphite, along its planes), arsenic, and antimony.}} which covers your concerns.
			:However, I think it would be better to move the weasel words into the note and shorten the in-text sentence.
			:I propose changing the sentence to say:
			::Among nonmetallic elements, only carbon, arsenic, and antimony are good conductors of both heat and electricity.
			:then change the table header to
			::Nonmetals with good electrical and thermal conductivity
			:and add a footer to the table:
			::Carbon values are for graphite which conducts electricity well only along its planes.
			:and finally, fix the refs; I incorrectly assumed all electrical values were from one ref and all thermal from the other.
			:] (]) 14:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

			== RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I ==
	=== Comments ===
	You are welcome to add your comments here.] (]) 17:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
	::What ''theme'' are we talking about?
	::I reject each and every use of "category" outside of category-of-metalishness. Whatever yo want to say, find another word. (do not use "period", "group", "category"). -] (]) 23:06, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::OK, I've changed to use the word "class". My somewhat obtuse point here is that I have classified the elements in what I think is an interesting way and am wondering if others can guess the classification rule without me stating it. If this is not your cup of tea, forgive me for wasting your time. ] (]) 23:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
	::::Well, actually I like the puzzle (it's just that the earlier version triggered my PT-Nazi-pavlov-language reflexes). -] (]) 14:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	:I assume Hg is the exception because of the ]? (Is the ] as significant of a factor?) ] (]) 13:14, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::Yes, I expect so. ] (]) 16:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	::We've marked bromine as liquid too. -] (]) 14:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::So Hg is even more exceptional in this table than in the standard one. All elements are unique, but some are more unique than others. ] (]) 16:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::::LOL. ''4 feet good, 2 feet better''. Some elements sleep in human beds, you know? (btw, your Orwell quote is in two! handwritings. The latter half was added way after the AF revolution. That's what I enjoyed most of AF). -] (]) 21:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	::::::I'd forgotten about the two handwritings ... so much so that when I saw your comment in my e-mail reader, I though that you were talking about what I had written, and wondering what you meant by handwriting in talk page comments. Sigh. ] (]) 00:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::Hey, it was ''you'' who started quoting ]! OK I'll link, but I was poking & notlinking by intention. -] (]) 00:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::I'll explain. You used the quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", from Animal Farm. In the book, the first half "All animals are equal" was a rule written on the wall at the revolution. Then, after the revolution was done the pigs went sleeping in the farmers bed, some animal added the second half ", but some ...". That's with all Rules they made (I don't have my copy at hand). So it is about how the revolution ended. I liked that refinement, but it is not used when quoted. -] (]) 10:34, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::Yea, I got that. It was just that when I read the e-mail notification with your comment out of context, I didn't immediately figure it all out. I had remembered that the 2nd part was added later, I just hadn't remembered that it was in a different handwriting. Oh, and it took me a little while to disambiguate AF, though I managed to figure it out without referring to ], which wouldn't have helped at all. Go figure. I suppose it only serves me right for having started this thread as a puzzle. Turn about is fair play. ] (]) 13:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
	==== Comments re hatnotes ====
	* Some years ago, I worked with hatnotes and disambiguation projects here (from the guidelines and so). Now here I see there are dozens! of ''...(disambiguation)'' pages for element names. But only ] has a (dab) added to its title for the Hg page (you follow?). In other words: all these other elements have their ''element status'' as the ] (good for us=WP:ELEM). Its a large number. -] (]) 21:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
	:: I don't see any glaring problems ... but it would be nice to ensure consistency between the pages, e.g., in ordering multiple ones and the like. And it might be worth considering whether it might be appropriate to create some more XXX (disambiguation) pages. I gathered them all together so that they could be seen in one place and so that inconsistencies might be more obvious. And, there should be some consistency between which hatnotes are present and whether there is a (disambiguation) page. I spent all my time gathering up the data, haven't spent too much time thinking about how to make it better. Incidentally, I gathered them up by using the "Edit" links shown and then I used the wikilink on element name to double-check stuff. ] (]) 00:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::Commendabele! This can improve out element pages.
	:::Let me tell about hatnotes (informal). Originally, they were ''all'' about the "(disambiguation)" thing. It was the ] ''project'' commanding. In 9 out of 10 ] you still can see this. And also in you "YBG (disambiguation)" automated text, right? (Good & clear exception: {{tl\|main}}).
	:::My advise: write your own hat text using {{tl\|hatnote}} (the anything-goes text template). Avoid each and every "(dab)" adding template, always write the hatnote yourself! -] (]) 01:12, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
	::::I understand that {{tl\|hatnote}} may be helpful in combining the multiple hatnotes to conform to ]. I'm not sure what you mean by "Avoid each and every '(dab)' adding template". ] (]) 07:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
	:::::I personally don't like these boilerplate templates, only to type the "(dab)" text automatically. Writing your own text can be more specific. More so in stacked hatnotes. But that's me. -] (]) 10:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

			Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the ] is now '''no longer accepting new proposals'''. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving ]'s structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:
	=== List of hatnotes ===

			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|HouseBlaster}}, provides for the addition of a text box at ] reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
	This table lists the hatnotes that exist on WP pages about the chemical elements.
			* ''']''' and ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Barkeep49}} and {{noping\|Usedtobecool}}, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
	:''Note: the redlinks shown here as "<span style="color:#992200">{{PAGENAME}} (disambiguation)</span>" appear in hatnotes as blue-links "<span style="color:#0645AD">Element-name (disambiguation)</span>" using the actual element-name.'' ] (]) 17:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|SilkTork}}, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
	:''The rows are colored the same as the PT above. OK, its ugly, but it communicates. Hope to change to just coloring the '*' column.'' ] (]) 18:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
			* ''']''' and ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|BilledMammal}}, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
	::I've reverted the colors back and am now just coloring one cell. ] (]) 03:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Lee Vilenski}}, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Reaper Eternal}}, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
			* ''']''', ''']''', and ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|City of Silver}}, {{u\|Ritchie333}}, and {{u\|HouseBlaster}}, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Novem Lingaue}}, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Kusma}}, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
			* ''']''' and ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Thebiguglyalien}} and {{noping\|Soni}}, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the ]; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|BilledMammal}}, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|SchroCat}}, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|theleekycauldron}}, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|SportingFlyer}}, provides for a more robust alternate version of the ].
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|Femke}}, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|WereSpielChequers}}, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
			* ''']''', initiated by {{noping\|HouseBlaster}}, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

			To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see ]. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! ] (] • she/her), via:
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	{{distinguish2\|], a tungsten carbide product}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element and its most stable form, {{chem\|O\|2}} or dioxygen\|other forms of this element\|Allotropes of oxygen\|other uses\|Oxygen (disambiguation)\|and\|O2 (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element and its most stable form, {{chem\|O\|2}} or dioxygen\|other forms of this element\|Allotropes of oxygen\|other uses\|Oxygen (disambiguation)\|and\|O2 (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the noble gas}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the noble gas}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element\|the PlayStation Home game\|Sodium (PlayStation Home)\|the racehorse\|Sodium (horse)}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element\|the PlayStation Home game\|Sodium (PlayStation Home)\|the racehorse\|Sodium (horse)}}
	<nowiki>{{Redirect\|Natrium\|the town in West Virginia\|Natrium, West Virginia}}</nowiki>
	{{Redirect\|Natrium\|the town in West Virginia\|Natrium, West Virginia}}
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	<nowiki>{{Distinguish\|Manganese}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish\|Manganese}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the metallic element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the metallic element}}
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	<nowiki>{{Distinguish2\|the silicon-containing synthetic polymer ]}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish2\|the silicon-containing synthetic polymer ]}}
	<nowiki>{{Redir\|Element 14\|other uses\|Element 14 (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{Redir\|Element 14\|other uses\|Element 14 (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element\|the bleach\|Sodium hypochlorite\|the film\|Chlorine (film)}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element\|the bleach\|Sodium hypochlorite\|the film\|Chlorine (film)}}
	<nowiki>{{redirect4\|Cl\|Cl2\|other uses\|] and ]}}</nowiki>
	{{redirect4\|Cl\|Cl2\|other uses\|] and ]}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
	<nowiki>{{Distinguish\|Argonne (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish\|Argonne (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the metallic element\|the place\|Calcium, New York}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the metallic element\|the place\|Calcium, New York}}
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	<nowiki>{{Distinguish\|Scandinavium}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish\|Scandinavium}}
	<nowiki>{{redirect\|Element 21\|the golf company\|Element 21 (company)}}</nowiki>
	{{redirect\|Element 21\|the golf company\|Element 21 (company)}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Magnesium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|Magnesium}}
	<nowiki>{{other uses}}</nowiki>
	{{other uses}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the metallic element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the metallic element}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element\|coins known as "nickels" and other uses\|Nickel (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element\|coins known as "nickels" and other uses\|Nickel (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{Other uses}}</nowiki>
	{{Other uses}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the metallic element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the metallic element}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish2\|the genus, '']''}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish2\|the genus, '']''}}
	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Geranium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|Geranium}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element\|the software testing framework\|Selenium (software)}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element\|the software testing framework\|Selenium (software)}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{other uses}}</nowiki>
	{{other uses}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|ytterbium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|ytterbium}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|zircon\|zirconia\|cubic zirconia}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|zircon\|zirconia\|cubic zirconia}}
	<nowiki>{{Redirect\|Zr\|\|ZR (disambiguation){{!}}ZR}}</nowiki>
	{{Redirect\|Zr\|\|ZR (disambiguation){{!}}ZR}}
	{{done}} Change to the following:<p>
	<nowiki>{{Redirect\|Zr\|\|ZR (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{Redirect\|Zr\|\|ZR (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{Two other uses\|the chemical element\|the color\|Silver (color)}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element\|the color\|Silver (color)\|other uses\|{{PAGENAME}} (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{Distinguish\|Iridium}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish\|Iridium}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the element\|the town\|Antimony, Utah\|the mountain\|Antimony Peak\|the paradox\|Antinomy}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the element\|the town\|Antimony, Utah\|the mountain\|Antimony Peak\|the paradox\|Antinomy}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Bohrium\|Borium\|Boron}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|Bohrium\|Borium\|Boron}}
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	<nowiki>{{other uses}}</nowiki>
	{{other uses}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Thallium\|Thorium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|Thallium\|Thorium}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|yttrium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|yttrium}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element\|the Parliament album\|Rhenium (album)}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element\|the Parliament album\|Rhenium (album)}}
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	<nowiki>{{for\|album by Parliament\|Osmium (album)}}</nowiki>
	{{for\|album by Parliament\|Osmium (album)}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Indium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|Indium}}
	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element\|other uses\|Iridium (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element\|other uses\|Iridium (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element\|other uses\|Platinum (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element\|other uses\|Platinum (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{Redirect\|Element 79\|the short story and anthology by Fred Hoyle\|Element 79 (anthology)}}</nowiki>
	{{Redirect\|Element 79\|the short story and anthology by Fred Hoyle\|Element 79 (anthology)}}
	<nowiki>{{Two other uses\|the metal\|the color\|Gold (color)}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the metal\|the color\|Gold (color)\|other uses\|{{PAGENAME}} (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the element\|other uses\|Mercury (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the element\|other uses\|Mercury (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Thulium\|Thorium}}</nowiki>
	{{distinguish\|Thulium\|Thorium}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the metal}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the metal}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{Distinguish\|Thallium\|Thulium}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish\|Thallium\|Thulium}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element}}
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	<nowiki>{{About\|the radioactive element}}</nowiki>
	{{About\|the radioactive element}}
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	<nowiki>{{about\|the chemical element\|the ancient city located in Cyprus\|Kourion}}</nowiki>
	{{about\|the chemical element\|the ancient city located in Cyprus\|Kourion}}
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	<nowiki>{{Redirect\|Athenium\|\|Athenaeum (disambiguation){{!}}Athenaeum}}</nowiki>
	{{Redirect\|Athenium\|\|Athenaeum (disambiguation){{!}}Athenaeum}}
	{{done}} change to the following:<p>
	<nowiki>{{Redirect\|Athenium\|\|Athenaeum (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>
	{{Redirect\|Athenium\|\|Athenaeum (disambiguation)}}
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	<nowiki>{{Distinguish2\|]}}</nowiki>
	{{Distinguish2\|]}}
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	<nowiki>{{distinguish\|Borium\| Boron\| Barium}}</nowiki>
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	<nowiki>{{Redirect2\|Uup\|UUp\|the political party\|Ulster Unionist Party}}</nowiki>
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	:Just curious: YBG, what is your impression with these hatnotes? Any itching or ideas? -] (]) 21:14, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

			] (]) 10:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
	== Burnside Bridge ==
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			== Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C ==
	Thanks for participating in this quadrant/neighborhood discussion. I don't think the Burnside Bridge article should be included in the Southeast Portland category if it is already labeled with the Buckman neighborhood category, which is itself a subcategory of the Southeast Portland category. Ideally, the article would only appear in neighborhood categories and not quadrant categories. However, in this case, Old Town Chinatown screws that up a little since it straddles Burnside and therefore cannot be labeled a subcategory of either NW Portland or SW Portland. But if we can categorize the bridge by its two eastside neighborhoods (one NE and one SE), and keep them from the parent NE and SE quadrant categories. ---] <sub>(])</sub> 00:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
	:NW, NE, and SE were already present, so I merely added SW. Although in general, I think it is better not to include an article in both a sub-category and in a super-category, I would take an exception in this case. If you include NW and SW but exclude NE and SE, it actually makes it appear that the bridge is NOT in the NE and SE quadrants. ] (]) 06:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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			Dear Wikimedian,
	Improvements are very good; the colour scheme is insipid, noting this came with the template. Can you do better colours? I thought black, grey and white, although so much black in the metals column, with white text, might be overpowering. ] (]) 01:49, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
	:I wouldn't have chosen those colors, but I do ''really'' like using the same colors as the template; then it ties in with the mini-PT in the lead. Whatever insipidness is in the tables on this page, is also present in the mini-PT. So I'd recommend changing the template colors and letting them propogate. I reckon that the color choices were probably based on what I think is a false assumption -- that the metal (and nonmetal) color of {{tl\|Element color#Metal–nonmetal categories, reduced set}} must necessarily be highly distinct from the corresponding colors in {{tl\|Element color#Metal–nonmetal categories}}. ] (]) 04:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
	::Agree. Mini-PT is an image that can easily be updated. First thing to do is pick the colour scheme. White (metals)-Grey-Yellow? ] (]) 06:34, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
	:::What I have in mind is modifying the color scheme itself. I think the hierarchy is something like this:
	:::{{Element color/example\|Metals}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Alkali metals}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Alkaline earth metals}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Transition metal}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} <small>''(Transition metals that are not inner transition metals)''</small>
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Inner transition metals}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Inner transition metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Lanthanides}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Inner transition metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Actinide}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Inner transition metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Superactinide}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Transition metals}}}} {{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Inner transition metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Eka-superactinide}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Metals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Post-transition metal}}
	:::{{Element color/example\|Metalloids}}
	:::{{Element color/example\|Nonmetals}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Nonmetals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Diatomic nonmetal}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Nonmetals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Polyatomic nonmetal}}
	:::{{legend inline\|{{Element color\|Nonmetals}}}} {{Element color/example\|Noble gas}}
	:::It seems to me that the colors ought to thematically 'roll-up' -- so I'm thinking the metal color ought to be something on the warm end of the spectrum, the nonmetal, on the cool end, and the metaloid something in between. The three colors generally seem to satisfy these criteria, and I think any change ought to remain within these parameters -- at least unless a wholesale revision of the scheme is being considered. I'm not pushing for change, I'm OK with how the colors show in the ]. But then my sense of color composition is pretty appalling. ] (]) 08:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
	:I'm getting used to the colour scheme in the main tables. But the way these colours look in the lede table is stil unsatisfactory. The table is so small that they run into one another. ] (]) 10:45, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
	::Maybe it would be better for the lead to use {{tl\|Periodic table (metals and nonmetals)}}. ] (]) 17:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
	{{Periodic_table_(metals_and_nonmetals)}}
	=== Give metalloids a border ===
	Here's an idea:
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	The general idea is to make the metalloids stand out by giving them a border that the metals and nonmetals lack. Since the metalloids generally form the boundary, that might be enough to keep things from running together. What do you think of this?
	:''(By the way, the top and bottom rows seem to be a bit thinner than the other rows; I'm not sure if this is an ] ] or ] of my formatting, but I think you can get the general idea)'' ] (]) 07:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
	::Let's give that a go! ] (]) 08:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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	=== Evaluation and further thoughts ===
	Shall I join in about the colors? -DePiep 23:15, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
	:Sure!] (]) 00:17, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	:Keep in mind that there are more than one issue
	::(1) What are the best colors to use for <nowiki>{{element color\|metals}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{element color\|metalloids}}</nowiki>, and <nowiki>{{element color\|nonmetals}}</nowiki>
	::(2) What is the best way to color the PT in ]
	::(3) What is the best way to emphasize similarities & differences in the Comparison tables
	:IMHO, it is very important that (1) and (2) be the same, but there are other ways of doing (3). '''''If''''' shading color is used, I think it very advantageous to use the same color scheme as (1) and (2). But there are other possibilities that could be used in conjunction with or in place of the current scheme. I'm going to try some. ] (]) 04:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	Here's what I promised
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	:The color boxes could be in addition to or in place of the shading. Sorting could be worked out to allow sorting by typology, which amounts to sorting by the matallicity of the metalloids, and then re-sorting back to the normal order. I don't think there is much advantage to sorting by the right three columns.
	:Another possibility: leave out the shading and removing the vertical bar on the left of the Metalloid column when metalloids are like metals and removing the bar on the right when metalloids are like nonmetals.
	] (]) 05:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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	::Quick first replies:
	::For starters, we (you) are free to choose the three key colors for the three classes. So far, they were used rarely, so have not been scrutinized yet. Some guidance exists though:
	::The brown for metalloids now is the same as in the regular category legend. Would be good if we can maintain that (enwiki-wide), but - see below.
	::The yellow and blue (metal, nonmetal) were chosen for being very apart in the three-set. Also they better not associate with an existing category-color (eg,. should not look like the Ln pinkish).
	::Being a bg color, they need to be light for contrast (black font, wikilink blue font). We could make a notch lighter colors for the big table background, and darker ones for the mini PT tables.
	::The brown for metalloids is a horrible color to use as a key. We inherited it from the early PT days on wiki. More bad colors in the category legend (], 12 key colors + grey for unk): alkali red is too dark; PTM: grey should be for unknown and table borders; metalloids brown is off; not evenly spread (many reds, few yellow/blues). Fixing this is an effort I have on my list, but its big. The 12 keys leave few degrees of freedom (ad we the need for (predicted) variants).
	::Brown in this three-set also turns out bad: Sandbh needed to stress them with borders!
	::re YBG stating that the three should be related to the 12 categories: good idea, but keep that secondary impotrtance. These color sets rarely show on the same page. This could be too much of a requirement. Also, the 12 categories are colored uneven, and so today are a bad base.

	::Colortech talk: The lightness for a chosen "color" (=point on the rainbow) is more easily set using HSV not RGB color space (it's a calculateable conversion). Because, "H" is the rainbow-color number, and S,V set the lightness (see table in ]). Inversely, if you keep S,V the same with different H-colors, their shade is nicely alike. End of Colortech talk.
	::I suggest: Yes keep (1)(2)(3) rules. Maybe ''leave the brown'' for metalloid, because it is too indifferent. (can change if the 12-cat colors have been redesigned). Think of lighter shades in the table (but with the same Hue-color). Forget mostly about the "link to 12-cat colors", but maybe use "reddish-yellowish!-blueish" (btw, isn't blue-greyish not nicer for ''metals''?). -] (]) 11:08, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	:::Shorter, 1st question: shall we drop the brown=metalloid for this PT and select three good colors, or keep that connection with the general PTs? -] (]) 12:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	::::I am in favor of having the mini-PT use the standard legend colors for metal/metalloid/nonmetal. My preferences would be
	:::::(a) change nothing; keep the colors as they are
	:::::(b) change metal/nonmetal; keep metalloid (this has relatively little impact)
	:::::(c) change metal/metalloid/nonmetal; keep the rest of the color scheme unchanged
	:::::(d) rethink the entire color scheme
	::::The reason for this order is that right now, I'd prefer not getting into the longer, more drawn-out deliberations that could be involved further down the list. But if anyone has some ideas about what the color scheme ought to be in the long run, it would be good to let that inform what we do in the short term. I have a few ideas about what I'd like to see in a major re-think of colors, but I won't muddy the waters now. ] (]) 17:56, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	::::::The 12-category colors are ''not'' up for change here. It just explains where the brown comes from. So (d) is out of the question here.
	::::::Option (b) or (c) are both easy, because this set of three is only used within this topic. If you change brown-metalloid (c), you can end up with a better color but loose the 1:1 connection with the other templates. Any color preferences for the two/three, if change one at all? -] (]) 18:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::Glad to hear that (d) is off the table; it certainly makes things much easier. Implied in all 4 options (a), (b), (c), and (d) is that the mini-PT displayed at ] should be coded to use these three colors: <nowiki>{{element color\|metals}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{element color\|metalloids}}</nowiki>, and <nowiki>{{element color\|nonmetals}}</nowiki>. The difference between these options is what specific colors are used by {{tl\|element color}} to represent metals, metalloids, and nonmetals. ] (]) 23:02, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::Yes, {{tlx\|element color}} is where the color will be entered. Any change you prefer? Or keep current? (yellowish too light imo). -] (]) 23:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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	:::::::::I'm not pressing to change them; they can stay the way they are. I think {{u\|Sandbh}} had two concerns:
	::::::::::(1) colour scheme is insipid (but he later said he was getting used to it)
	::::::::::(2) mini-PT didn't have enough differentiation (to be resolved with borders on the metalloid cells)
	:::::::::So it seems to me that the main issues have been resolved. I say, leave it as is, but if others disagree, I'm also fine with making changes. ] (]) 00:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
	:::::::::Or if we do change, one choice would be to use a light bluish-silvery-grey for metals and a yellow for nonmetals. ] (]) 00:38, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
	::::::::::Color scheme is OK; wouldn't mind seeing what light bluish-silvery-grey for metals and a yellow for nonmetals would look like. ] (]) 01:38, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

	:I think the color used for metals is closer to the metalloid brown than the color of nonmetals, but both should be equally distant from it. Not that I was thoroughly checking against that (that would be pointless), it just caught the eye too easily. I guess because brown is the dark yellow? Hasn't that occurred to anyone else? --] (]) 14:41, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
	::As said, within some guidelines the yellowish and bluish were picked at random. I don't have enough time to make new proposals now. Note that this is secondary to (merged) article quality. Spend time elsewhere? -] (]) 14:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
	:::Sure, it's not the top priority or anything. I thought it was worth noting, but if it's just me, I'll easily deal with it. If not, I don't know. At least it was stated and we are aware of it and right, it's still a secondary thing. I wouldn't sit down and think what colors would be better either.--] (]) 15:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
	:::Received well, R8R. Just showing my anger at myself for not being able to give this topic a rest ;-). -] (]) 07:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

	== Polite, concise, effective. ==

	- Nicely done! (I'm envious of your skill(s)). ] (]) 11:15, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
	:Oh, dear: I must confess that I'm often very guilty of this one. I'll try to stop doing that! ] (]) 13:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
	::In many cases, I wouldn't be quite so dogmatic. But consider this history of edits:
	::*Ed1: (bold) Lots of changes with no edit summary
	::*Ed2: (revert) Reverted the above with this edit summary:
	::*:"I rather like some (not all) of the changes you have made, but per ], I suggest discussing them on the talk page is the best way forward."
	::*Ed1: (discuss?) Restored original edit, marking it as 'minor', with edit summary:
	::*:"Shouldn't have to discuss something that warrants change, the article is too image heavy early on, there's a gallery before any information? Gallerie belong at the end of the page. It also needed a detailed geography run down, tell me what you."
	::*YBG: Re-reverted with edit summary:
	::*:"The 'D' in WP:BRD means discuss on the talk page, not in edit summaries."
	::It seems that in this case, Ed1 committed several faux pas:
	::# Complex edit with no edit summary
	::# Declined to discuss in the forum requested by Ed2
	::# Marked edit as minor, contrary to ], where it says:
	::#*"If there is any chance that another editor might dispute a change, it is best not to mark the edit as minor."
	::#*"Reverting a page is not likely to be considered minor under most circumstances. When the status of a page is disputed, and particularly if an edit war is brewing, then it is better not to mark any edit as minor. Reverting blatant vandalism is an exception to this rule."
	::Without these, I may not have insisted "the 'D' in WP:BRD means discuss on the talk page, not in edit summaries". ] (]) 01:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Somehow I've gotten sucked up into what seems to an outsider as a quasi-religious edit war.

	This page was watchlisted since I had made a small to the lead back in June 2014. So when Ahunt , citing the 'longstanding consensus; at ], and was then by Dsprc, I jumped in and the page back to Ahunt's version, saying "Please read previously cited MOS" in my edit summary. Ahunt later thanked me for this edit. Dsprc then my edit, with an edit summary that made me go back and re-read ]. My understanding of the MOS, which Ahunt cites but Dsprc says is POV, is that WP should use "GNU/Linus" only as part of the formal title of a distribution, not elsewhere. I have no opinion as to whether that is a good MOS or not. But based on that, I looked at ] and then later at their (in the legalese at the bottom of the page) and became convinced that the formal title for this thing is "dyne:bolic GNU/Linux". Consequently, it seemed to me that I could make Ahunt happy by confirming to the MOS and make Dsprc happy by including the GNU/ prefix if I the dab item to use "dyne:bolic GNU/Linux" as the title, followed by a comma, and a description "a distribution of the Linux operating system".

	Ahunt then the "GNU/Linux", which Dsprc . Ahunt then the dab entry, which was by Dsprc.

	I'm sorely tempted to say 'a pox on both your houses', but then one thing I really like about WP is that I have seen people have very strong opinions, disagree, and then finally come together. I've often been the one that needed convincing, but occasionally I've been the one who has been persuasive. I'm hoping that in this current situation the editors could agree that the wording I inserted complies with ] and let it stand. ] (]) 00:18, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Howdy! As far as I'm concerned, I think "we are there".<br>
	And I think you feel the same. But I'm not sure about others. (None of which other than Ashton 29 have responded.)<br>
	Do I care? Well ... no and yes. But I do feel a little guilty that we ''may'' have "steamrollered" the result. On the other hand, we've given others PLENTY of opportunity to add their 2c - hence, only a "little" guilty.<br>
	So! What's stopping you/(us) closing the matter? (Other than guilt?) ] (]) 14:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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	== Collapsing tables and widths ==

	{{Help me-helped}}I'm looking for some rather technical help in formatting tables. I recently reformatted the information at {{sectionlink\|Properties of metals, metalloids and nonmetals\|Comparisons}} () to use collapsing sub-tables. My problem is that the column widths of the different sub-tables don't match. I see a slight improvement if I expand all sub-tables and if remove the collapsible parameter. I'd really like the column widths to match exactly. What am I missing? ] (]) 22:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
	:{{u\|YBG}}, I believe the issue is that you haven't actually specified the width of the tables themselves. "30em" is the ''minimum'' width of the table, so depending on the contents and browser being used the borders will change. The two possible solutions (that I can think of) are to either specifically define the width of the table, or specifically define the width of each column (I think the former is the better option). Personally, though, I would not split the two tables ("Physical properties" and "Chemical properties"), mainly based off ]. Up to you though. If you want more help, stop by the ], the , or the ] to ask someone for assistance. ] (]) 22:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
	::FYI, in the collapse does not exist (is expanded always). And as Primefac noted, folded text in articles is bad for ] (losing page overview). And at least I would make the two tables collapsing, not six. -] (]) 10:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::This has been overcome by events; we no longer have collapsing tables in the article. But there is an even bigger problem. It appears that tables do not appear at all when articles are printed or exported as PDFs. This seems to be a major problem. ] (]) 06:35, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Groups ==

	Pls take another look at ]. As you left it, "Old" IUPAC now numbers 1--18, and "New" IUPAC has A-B subdivisions. -] (]) 23:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
	:Oops. It has now been . ] (]) 06:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Texas vs. Florida ==

	Great thing about Misplaced Pages, great minds like ours get together and become more the the sum of our parts. Nice working with you. ] (]) 01:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

	== Heavy metals etc ==

	I think I have it now. Created a new article: ]; changed the title of the old Heavy metal (chemistry) article to ]. ] (]) 01:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
	:That is a great solution, especially since it allows ] and ] to be contrasted nicely. By the way, it might be nice to expand {{sectionlink\|toxic heavy metal\|benefits}} with historical sidelights, for example the failure of early ] settlements due to a ] of ]. ] (]) 03:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
	==Virginia Governors==
	Thank you for the info, surprising what a difference a "-" makes! ] (]) 03:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
	:Your welcome! ] (]) 03:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
	:''This was in response to the following posted at {{sectionlink\|User talk:Danthompson351\|Virginia governors}}, where I wrote:''
	:::''I notice you've added a new section several times and reverted it after each attempt. I'm guessing that you reverted because it messed up the format. Your problem is that you've been ending the table with <nowiki>\|-}</nowiki>, which is incorrect -- you actually need to end it with <nowiki>\|}</nowiki>. If you'll look back at the history of the article, you will find a version where I inserted the section with the correct table-ending code and a few other changes I thought helpful. If you have any questions, ask them here and I'll try to respond. ] (]) 02:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)''

	==Yoghurt==
	I'm planning to write an article about Action on Sugar.] (]) 20:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
	:Thanks for the explanation. Feel free to restore the wikilink now or if you prefer, wait until a stub article is created.] (]) 06:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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	== Response to your questions ==

	I'm responding to here, as I don't think it would be constructive to continue at DePiep's page while they remain blocked and upset. I'll take them in reverse order. Per ]: "Blocks serve to protect the project from harm, and reduce likely future problems." As there is a history of disruptive behavior with the user, and it repeated again with this incident, it was my opinion that it would lead to more problems if left unchecked. Per ]: "The duration of blocks should thus be related to the likelihood of a user repeating inappropriate behavior. Longer blocks for repeated and high levels of disruption is to reduce administrative burden; it is under presumption that such users are likely to cause frequent disruption or harm in future." I considered an indefinite block, and requiring a successful unblock appeal , but opted instead for editing privileges to be regained automatically after 72 hours, at the latest. Their unblock request was denied by another admin. As I , this block was motivated by the longer term pattern of behavior, not for the individual incident, which also explains my decision to—in your words—give "a pass" to the other party. I hope that explains things, even if you don't necessarily agree. Regards.—] (]) 03:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
	:OK, {{re\|Bagumba}}, I see that admin policy considers previous history in determining block length. You say "My preference is always to assume that warnings can be teaching moments, and let otherwise productive editors such as DePiep and Alakzi move on to more valuable edits without the need for a timeout." But in this case, one party received a 72-hour block and the other party was not even warned (unless I missed something). ] (]) 11:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
	::FWIW, there was ], which may or may not be what you were expecting.—] (]) 23:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
	:::You're right, {{u\|Bagumba}}, it's not what I expected. But I do believe it is positive. Although it appears that I am ] (one of my pet peeves), nevertheless, I can see that (a) you ] Alakzi a friendly suggestion for how to avoid edit warring and that (b) Alakzi ] with an acknowledgement of how he could have acted differently. That looks like a textbook example of the positive results of ]. Thank you. ] (]) 01:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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	== Uus FAC ==

	Hi! I know you're aware the ] is on, and you can see it's not really active; I'm afraid to see it close without getting just enough reception to stand a chance of getting promoted, again. Could you please review the thing? It would be so helpful for me right now; a favor in return would be on me.--] (]) 16:43, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

	==Just a thought==
	I noticed that there was a dust-up about students making and reverting test edits.<br>
	Hypothetically, if each of your students were to get their own user name, they could create their own personal ] (as many as they wished) to which they could copy entire text from articles, and then alter them. They then could work on these till the cows come home. And there would be no conflict or cause for concern. Just a gentle suggestion from an outside disinterested party.<br>
	Feel free to disregard my message if you find it inappropriate, irrelevant, disrespectful or officious. I have the best of intentions, and none of these was intended.<br>
	FWIW, I want your students to succeed and to graduate into full-fledged wikipedia editors. We need all the help we can get. Best regards. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 16:59, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	:{{ping\|1=7&6=thirteen}} No, I don't find your message objectionable in any way, but it does arouse my curiosity. I followed a recent 'dust-up' about a '''teacher''' making and reverting test edits, but I'm pretty sure I didn't even comment. I trust you won't find it objectionable if I ask you a question. What prompted you to leave me this message? I am puzzled. Thanks, and happy editing! ] (]) 20:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	::I ran across it on somebody's talk page. I did not read it closely enough, I gather. Erroneously thought you were involved. Sorry for disturbing your tilling in the garden. Best regards. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 21:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	:::Any chance you can remember where? ] (]) 22:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
	Hi there. Let me know if I can help. I might be "somebody". Cheers, ] (]) 07:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
	:No worries. I suspected that it might have been that my post at {{sectionlink\|User talk:Valfontis\|Please accept my sincere apology}} was immediately before the talk page section that discussed the "dust-up". Maybe {{ping\|1=7&6=thirteen}} could verify that was the place? ] (]) 21:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
	::I do think it was on one of those two pages. I am a talk page lurker (on both pages, I think), and learn a lot as I do that. I find interesting subjects, controversies, etc. Sometimes I see the world through a different lens. Occasionally I throw in my 2₵. Hope that helps. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 23:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
	::: {{ping\|1=7&6=thirteen}} Hey, no worries. It was just really puzzling to me because I am not a teacher and don't have students. It has all been a good learning experience for me. I, too, have been a 'talk page lurker' and have on more than one occasion read things a bit too quickly and jumped to incorrect conclusions. Usually it has ended well, but occasionally I've unnecessarily caused confusion where there would otherwise have been none. So, happy editing! ] (]) 23:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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	== Infobox constitutional amendment ==

	Riffing off our recent discussion in ], I went ahead and created (in my sandbox) a draft {{tl\|infobox constitutional amendment}}, and started a discussion under the section ]. Your input would be appreciated. ] (]) 01:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Per ], I have posted to ] regarding whether ] should be included on ]. --] ] 21:47, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

	== Record Franz Joseph I ==

	I think Queen Elizabeth II would surpass Franz Joseph I on 28 January 2020 because Franz Joseph I reigned 68 years, 355 days. On 17 January 2020 Queen would reigning 68 years 344 days.
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	== Periodic table / other arrangements URL broken ==

	Hi, this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Periodic_table&type=revision&diff=696923579&oldid=696921424
	broke the URL on the 'lemniscate' in the shaped like ... listing of https://en.wikipedia.org/Periodic_table#Other_arrangements. I can't fix it since the article is protected.
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	:{{ping\|2620:0:105f:3:d887:1880:19fc:30}} It looks like it was fixed by ]. Thanks! ] (]) 06:58, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

	== Note to Reywas92 ==

	{{Ping\|Reywas92}} Sometimes it works best to cite WP:MOS in edit summaries, e.g. ]. But you seem to have come up with a fine comprise. That is what collaboration is all about. I well remember our work together at ]. It was my first significant WP collaboration. ] (]) 06:58, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	Are you interested in writing it to eventually get a GA? I'd be glad to help you with that. I think this would be interesting for you as well.--] (]) 16:19, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
	:{{ping\|R8R Gtrs}} Thought I had already replied to this, but apparently I failed to hit the "Save" button. Sigh. Long story short: sounds like an interesting project, but right now I'm fairly busy IRL and so I'll have to take a ]. Feel free to go ahead without me if you wish; I've got it watchlisted and will chime in as my bandwidth allows. ] (]) 07:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

	::I don't think I'll go alone: I have a project to work on at the moment (]), and I don't have too much time I could afford spending on Wiki. But I'm ready to provide a rain check when you're ready to take one.--] (]) 07:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

	:::OK, I'll let you k ow. ] (]) 17:49, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

	== One opinion requested ==

	I remember you're American? If I'm not mistaken, then I'd like to ask a question re U.S. geography. Please tell me, from a perspective of a person who lives in the Western hemisphere, how well-known is the toponym of ]? Is it universally understood throughout the U.S.? Any chances to estimate if it's recongnizable for people in Canada? Mexico? South America? I am quite familiar with the major landmarks in Europe and, in part, Asia, but I lack any knowledge of North American physical geography. I'm writing the history section of ], and it mentions the ] in Missouri, but I'd like to get away from any states or stuff like that. There even wasn't a Missouri in 1700!

	So, will the Americans (both the U.S.-born people and born elsewhere in the Americas) understand the toponym?--] (]) 22:33, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

	:One more question: could you make similar estimations for the "]" and "]"?--] (]) 22:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

	::] should be fairly well understood in the US and probably in Canada, but I'm less certain about how familiar it would be to folks from Central or South America. Note that although it extends both north and south of the AR-MO state line (and, I see, even into OK and KS), I associate it mostly with Arkansas. It was a surprise to me when I read the article to see that there is a larger area in MO than in AR. But I'm not certain whether this is unique to me or if it extends more broadly. This could be related to the fact that its familiarity -- to me, and I believe in general -- stems mostly from being a very distinct cultural region, rather than being a geographical region.
	::] is immediately understandable to me, perhaps because of studying Spanish in middle and high school. ], when I first saw it was familiar but I couldn't quite place it -- then as soon as the hovercard popped up, I slapped my head "Oh, yea, I should know that".
	::With regard to using toponymns, another alternative is to use phrases like "present-day Turkey" or the like.
	::Oh, and by the way, only the first opinion requested is free. Thereafter, the price of each subsequent opinion doubles. Cheers! ] (]) 23:46, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

	:::I know that zero doubled is still zero :) Still, thank you very much for your cooperation.
	:::Yes, I absolutely expected it to be culture-dependent. I just consulted a map, and it says my home city of Moscow is closer to Tehran than to Madrid; yet I know the geography, history, and culture of Spain a little, and I don't know any of these for Iran (I just know they're a very old civilization, with their origin dating back to well before the Common Era started. I also couldn't remember the name of the mountains Tehran stands on until I googled. Too bad). I know the U.S. and Canada are a common cultural space, with some exceptions both within and throughout the two countries, and I expected South America to be completely different than both, still... Mexico? As you can see, I'm not very well aware of how deep mutual cultural penetration in the Americas is. Hence these questions.
	:::While I like the idea of maximum understandability (I always try to implement that in my Wiki-writing), I don't think it is right to say "modern-day Turkey" or the like. There was no Turkey back then, and I don't want to get it into the story, as it strays the reader from the main event sequence. I could even bear the Ozarks, which I had never heard of before this Friday. (Luckily, the Ozarks are no longer needed, as there was an earlier lead mine in the New World -- which I also don't want to call "the Americas" because "New World" seems to be a better choice for a discussion of the age of colonization of the Americas. "]" should be okay for everyone, I think.)
	:::Also, I stand corrected -- there was a Missouri in 1700. I forgot there was a river of that name. :) --] (]) 20:32, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

	Could I borrow ten minutes of your time to ask you to give the History section a read and see if the geography (and language) is understandable? (I can't alter the geography, of course, but I can add wikilinks, or specify things, or something else). Of course, it's not complete, but the time span yet to be covered should be easy enough for me to make judgments about accessibility myself.--] (]) 15:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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	== Sidebar periodic table ==

	I don't get what you are doing with {{tl\|Sidebar periodic table}}, but it does not look good. For example, using {{tl\|hr}} is out of date, and stacking effects too. OTOH, my /sandbox thing is really great and faultless and brilliant (... or at least you could take a look). ] (]) 00:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:I have reverted everything except the swap of alternative and extended. I was just experimenting and hit "Save" without intending to. Sigh. If I'd been working in the sandbox, this wouldn't have happened. Thanks for the gracious response to my clumsiness. ] (]) 00:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	::All fine. Now pls take a look at my brilliant /sandbox version :-) -] (]) 01:14, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::Doing that as we speak. ] (]) 01:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::Great. Did I mention I made a devastatingly good improved version? How cold I forget. Maybe I'm too shy. -] (]) 01:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::"Shy" and "DePiep" form a ]. Shall I add my comments here ... or at the template talk page? ] (]) 02:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::I see Template Talk is redirected to the project talk page. ] (]) 02:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::::(ec) Nah, just copy into the main template what you like. No time for talks. When I say I trust your judgement, I suppose you give a good eye to the proposals (... and then blindly copy ''my wonderful'' improvements into live). -] (]) 02:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::::::OK, I'll move over the changes I'm ready to accept. Here's a somparison: ] (]) 02:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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	:Note: Something about including this inside a table seems to have interfered with the center justification, but eliminating the class=wikitable has fixed it. ] (]) 04:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	* It looks fine. I'm not into perfecticising this one, keeping relaxed. -] (]) 19:01, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

	== One more question re cultural differences ==

	There is one more thing I would like to know about the American perception of things. What do you and other Americans think of when they hear the word "ton(ne)"? How much is that? Does the article ] correctly explain the differences? In scientific contexts, do people ever think of tons as of metric units, or only when it is clearly stated, "metric tons"? How would you think of "ton" in document?--] (]) 14:06, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	:And, of course, the question I forgot: if we say "metric ton" once, is it okay not to say the "metric" part in every consequent occurrence of the term and expect people to realize we're still talking in the metric unit?--] (]) 14:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	::The article ] seems to accurately reflect my understanding. I would presume the USGS article refers to 2,000 lb short tons. As to not repeating the 'metric', I'd have to think about that. One idea would be to say 'metric ton (tonne)' or something similar the first time and then say 'tonne' subsequently. Just a thought. Probably ought to consult ] for guidance and if there is none, then draft something to be included there. ] (]) 14:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	:::Thank you. My intention is to write articles accessible to most people in general. As one example of that, the article ] (which I've brought to the FA status) introduces the reader into a few terms; this does make the article easier to read for those who aren't very good with the topic already, although another editor could assume the reader should know them or learn them elsewhere, given the technical nature of the article. I will check the MOS; if there's nothing useful, I'll probably want to ask you more about the alternatives.--] (]) 14:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	::::Meanwhile, is "tonne" okay for AmE? I assume the Americans understand a vast majority of specifically British words and vice versa, but I still intend to write in AmE, even though I like to use words common for both AmE and BrE rather than AmE-specific ones when both kinds are available (again, accessibility), and if that word is not common in AmE, I'd rather stay out.--] (]) 14:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	:::::Don't know if this is merely idiosyncratic, but I put ton/tonne in a category with pound/kilogram rather than with center/centre or hood/bonnet or the like.
	:::::I'd be more than happy to weigh in on MOS alternatives. ] (]) 15:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	::::::Interesting. I am a little confused now, because the article ] says, "In the United States metric ton is the name for this unit used and recommended by NIST; an unqualified mention of a ton almost invariably refers to a short ton of 2,000 pounds (907 kg), and tonne is rarely used in speech or writing." (By the way, I assume the USGS article refers to the metric tons. I wondered for a while as well after I first saw the paper; but then I noticed the note that says, "Data in thousand metric tons of lead content unless otherwise noted".)
	::::::Unforntunately, the MOS has nothing to offer in this case at the moment. We're on our own.
	::::::It appears to me we'll have to go with "metric tons" (which is okay; everyone should be able to understand the term, be they British, American, or from elsewhere), but I am still uncertain whether we can skip the "metric" part in non-initial occurrences, and if so, if we should do so.--] (]) 17:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

	:::::::re USGS, if the footnote says they are referring to metric tons, then I believe them. But I didn't read the footnote, so I assumed short tons.
	:::::::Yea, I suppose that it would be unusual in the US to say "tonne" instead of "metric ton", but I was suggesting that we use "metric tonne" as it would no doubt be highly approved by the Department of Repetitive Redundancy Department. By using "tonne" in subsequent mentions, it would be immediately understood by non-US readers and it would alert US readers that it was not what they would usually expect.
	:::::::Here's some ideas for first and subsequent occurrences:
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	\| 1 \|\| metric ton (tonne) \|\| tonne \|\| (what I suggested above)
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	\| 2 \|\| ] (tonne) \|\| {{abbr\|tonne\|metric ton}} \|\| (with wikilink & {{tl\|abbr}}
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	\| 3 \|\| ] \|\| {{abbr\|tonne\|metric ton}} \|\| (eliminating the initial parenthetical aside)
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	\| 4 \|\| ] \|\| {{abbr\|ton\|metric ton}} \|\| (eliminating the tonne spelling)
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	\| 5 \|\| ] \|\| ] \|\| (additional option)
	\|}
	:::::::I personally favor #2, but I expect you would favor #4. ] (]) 18:43, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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	::::::::I hoped you'd miss the note, so I could get the initial thinking about tons.
	::::::::It appeared to me first, and still does so after I read the description page of {{tl\|abbr}}, that it would not be right to use the template for {{abbr\|ton\|metric ton}}. It also looks like an over-complication: we're talking about a common material, and the template makes the article look more difficult than it is. Besides, I wouldn't want to use it because of accessibility problems (touchscreens). Since you say "tonne" would be unusual in the context of AmE, it shouldn't be used (not to say some Americans can surely be unfamiliar with the fact "tonne" is actually different from "ton". I actually think it's safe to say many people won't think tonne/ton is not just a spelling difference). I guess we'll have to go with "metric ton/ton" if you agree too much "metric" won't be great.--] (]) 14:25, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::::::Wow! So I passed the test '''''because''''' I didn't look closely. Now that's a switch!
	:::::::::Re spelling differences, I don't think the initial U.S. reaction to tonne would be "Oh, a spelling difference". I might be wrong, but I'd guess most are only aware of the er/re and or/our differences.
	:::::::::It's almost enough to make me want to switch the entire article to BrE.
	:::::::::To be realistic, in dealing with such large quantities, the 10% difference between the two ton and tonne isn't very significant.
	:::::::::Re using {{tl\|abbr}}, I know it has accessibility issues; I've run into this before when I wanted to (ab)use it. Sigh.
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NaCl polyhedra

Hi, I hope you can help me out as I have nominated this image to become a Featured Picture and now there is some questions about this image.
I hope you have the knowledge to provide answers to the questions at this link. The questions are;
1) This representation is different to all the others I've Googled. Does it have Academic authentication?
2) But could you add to the description about which colors are which elements.
I'm a graphic worker and have no knowledge of this subject.
I really hope you can help me or tell me someone else who might be able, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I have got the needed information from another user so this is

Done, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Template:List of aqueous ions/header

My edit was to get Template:List of aqueous ions/header out of Misplaced Pages:Database reports/Invalid Navbar links when it next runs. Your revert will mean that it remains in the report. Please also note that the namespace prefix is unnecessary. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Redrose64, I saw you did the same in here. But actually, the v-t-e links should lead to the templatepage with the content. The database report title is wrong in these cases. I have no idea on how to prevent these, eh, incorrect edits. -DePiep (talk) 16:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Why is a navbar needed anyway? How often is an edit to Template:List of aqueous ions required, for which a navbar would make that edit easier to carry out? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Is an unrelated question. (The answer is in the wiki principles). -DePiep (talk) 12:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Excluding navbars from infrequently edited templates could be misunderstood as a claim of WP:OWNership. Including them is a subtle way of inviting editors to collaborate.

I have modified the parent template to pass the navbar in as a parameter so that it only appears in the parent template, and not when the header appears independently or as a part of testcases. This should remove it from next month's report. @DePiep: perhaps this same technique could be used in {{ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data}} and its /header sub-template.

In my opinion, the process that generates these reports should explicitly recognize the template-header pattern and make provision for it, not by excluding them as it apparently does /sandbox templates, but by stripping off the /header (or perhaps /anything) before making the comparison.

In an unrelated side note, so that the content inside the template or block is more easily editable in situ where it was found, without having track it down through examining transclusion code. (as it says in {{navbar}}, I had contemplated making the edit link point to the /data subtemplate, which I expect would be the most likely place editors would wish to make changes.

YBG (talk) 14:31, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Needslessly complicating (isn't this why the header is separated in the first place?), and only use would be to mislead a non-understanding administrative bot. -DePiep (talk) 14:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, needless. But it looks like most of the errors found by the bot are things that can and should be fixed, e.g., typos like "Hungaru" instead of "Hungary" (which I just fixed) and obsolete links left over from page moves. So to help editors like RR64 focus on things that really make a difference, I don't mind a little bit of complication. It's my little bit to facilitate the overall improvement of the encyclopedia. An even better solution would be to make the bot smarter, but that requires more research and time than I'm willing to invest. YBG (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Not jumping for joy, but I think it is OK if editors like Redrose64 understand this database-dump-limitation quirk and so can edit/notedit accordingly.

BTW, I met this solution I already employed (the table rows are in-article today, so no top-v-t-e-links useful): {{Isotopes table}}. Looks nice imo. -DePiep (talk) 00:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Template problems

Hello, YBG,

It seems that you added a CSD tag to Template:List of aqueous ions/row/sandbox which has now caused every template that includes this one to have a speedy deletion tag on them. Are all of the templates in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user supposed to be deleted? Can you fix this? If you have a template you want deleted, maybe approach an administrator so that the CSD tag doesn't get transcluded on other templates. Thank you. Liz 02:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Thank you. I meant to change the calling template before adding the CSD tag. It should all be OK now. YBG (talk) 03:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, templates are an area I don't understand so thank you for fixing the problem. The templates are gone from the CSD category now. Liz 04:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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Hi. The data from Hawaii from the NOAA page, as per "Unreferenced data assumed to be from NOAA" --Jbaranao (talk) 02:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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NaCl images

Here’s what I had in mind to replace the picture and quote is at Nonmetal § Halogen nonmetals

sodium (Na),chlorine (Cl), and table salt (NaCl)
Corrosive chlorine, a halogen nonmetal, combines with highly reactive sodium to form stable, unreactive table salt.

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“Metal” & “nonmetal” in their articles

Counts on 12/19/2023
Directly counted	“…”
Minus partial matches	(… per se)

Metal/Nonmetal articles

358  234  (metal per se) - includes metallic
 18  246  “nonmetal” - includes nonmetallic
  9   53  “metalloid”
  3    2  “metallicity”
387  536  “metal” total

Other article pairs for comparison

Vertebrate/Invertebrate articles

126   17  (vertebrate per se)
  6   93  “invertebrate”
133  110  “vertebrate” total

Rational/Irrational number articles

110   46  (rational per se)
 12  104  “irrational”
122  150  “rational” total

Algebraic/Transcendental number articles

65   53  “Algebraic”
 6  106  “Transcendental”
71  159  (total)

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@Sandbh: As an aside, I’m wondering if you could speculate why “metal” is mentioned so much more in nonmetal than “vertebrate” is in invertebrate, or “rational” in irrational, or “algebraic” in transcendental number? Can you think of any other similar pairs of opposites worth comparing? YBG (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

In chemistry, the properties of nonmetals are often understood in terms of how they differ from metals. This contrast is fundamental to explaining what nonmetals are, hence the frequent mention of "metal" in the context of "nonmetal." On the other hand, terms like "invertebrate," "irrational," and "transcendental number" are defined by the absence of certain characteristics (backbones, rationality, algebraic properties) but do not always require the direct contrast to their counterparts for their definition or understanding.

Metals were known and used since antiquity, so much of early chemistry was focused on metals. As a result, when nonmetals were studied, they were often described in terms of how they differed from the already familiar metals. In education, students typically learn about metals before nonmetals, so the teaching and discussion of nonmetals often references metals for context.

Other similar pairs: acids and bases; cations and anions; matter and antimatter; conductors and insulators; day and night. --- Sandbh (talk) 00:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sandbh: Thank you, this stimulates more thinking. In retrospect, another significant difference occurs to me: in the other pairs (vertebrate/invertebrate, rational/irrational, algebraic/transcendental), there is a clear single-property that distinguishes the two: the presence of a backbone, being equal to the ratio of integers, and being the solution of a polynomial with integer coefficients. I suspect that if there were a universally accepted single-property distinction between metal and nonmetal, the comparisons would have seemed significantly less necessary. If you were to create a table to contrast the other pairs, it would end up being something rather trivial:

(has a backbone) vs. (lacks a backbone)
(equals the ratio of two integers) vs. (not the ratio of any two integers)
(equals the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients) vs. (not the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients)

You might be able to add another row or two to such tables, but it would certainly not be anywhere near a interesting or necessary as the contrasts between metals and nonmetals.

Thanks! YBG (talk) 01:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Surely there are nonmetallic elements, such as carbon and sulphur, that were as well known to the ancients as gold and copper. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

In terms of physics, there is a clear single property: (has a Fermi surface) vs. (lacks a Fermi surface). It's just that physicists would be more interested in classifying simple substances than abstract chemical elements, so allotropy in C and As poses a problem if you want to apply it to chemical elements. With that said, physical and chemical properties of elements change under pressure too (e.g. polyhydrides showing unusual valencies), so chemistry also inherently has this issue.

In education, metals and nonmetals are surely introduced at about the same time. After all, nonmetals are the majority if you stick to the first three rows, where beginning chemistry courses usually start. I would need to research more to say anything about the history, but something that might be relevant is that the elemental gases H₂, N₂, and O₂ were not really identified correctly until Lavoisier's time. Double sharp (talk) 12:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

The problem is a lack of a “universally accepted single-property distinction” between metals and nonmetals. YBG (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, that definition is universally accepted by physicists. So, it seems to me that the issue is that there is a single-property distinction accepted by one field using the term but not another. Double sharp (talk) 17:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Yup. That’s the problem when universal ain’t really universal. YBG (talk) 17:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Do you have any suggestions on how the tables at Candidates Tournament could be made clearer? Double sharp (talk) 05:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I’ll have a look. YBG (talk) 05:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Those tables are complicated! I’ll start to nibble around the edges. YBG (talk) 05:54, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Double sharp: I did some initial tweaking, replacing punctuation in all numbered lists with simple newlines so that the numbers line up. I’d be interested to know what you think.

For the next step, I’d suggest working on the last three columns. The candidates winners and the seeded into final conveying the same type of information: finals contestants and how they qualified. I’d suggest combining them into two pairs of lines: yyyy champion: / name / candidates winner: / name. The last column includes (1) venue, date, format then (2) results. It is possible that this could also be combined with the info in the previous columns, but I can’t tell for sure.

After regularizing the format of the last three columns into one or two new columns, only then do I think it would be time to start thinking about the previous columns.

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Highly conductive nonmetals

Highly conductive nonmetals
(with range of metals)
Thermal W m K
antimony 24.3	arsenic 50	carbon 2000
6.3 to 429 (neptunium - silver)
Electrical S•cm
antimony 2.3 × 10	arsenic 3.9 × 10	carbon 3 × 10
0.69 × 10 to 63 × 10 (manganese - silver)

@Sandb: I think this little table is superior to the prose note in nonmetal, but I can’t figure out how to get it into the note and I don’t think it belongs in the main text.

References

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YBG (talk) 07:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

It should probably be noted that this is in the in-plane electrical conductivity for carbon. Perpendicular to the planes its conductivity is lower than any metal.

Is the thermal conductivity supposed to be for graphite or diamond? We should probably say which, though both are high. But in fact this has nothing to do with metallicity: all the network-covalent nonmetals join the true metals. (Se and Te are a bit below the range of metals, but there is a big gap between them and the molecular nonmetals. For black phosphorus, see these papers.) I guess the major factor here should be large lattice structures reducing phonon scattering. Double sharp (talk) 08:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Double sharp: The thermal conductivity for C is as graphite, in the direction of its planes. This is stated in the associated part of the article: "Among nonmetallic elements, good electrical and thermal conductivity is seen only in carbon (as graphite, along its planes), arsenic, and antimony." --- Sandbh (talk) 05:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that YBG had already mentioned this to you. --- Sandbh (talk) 05:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sandbh: Yes, all has been clarified. But thanks for the ping regardless! Double sharp (talk) 07:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@ Double sharp: This table is intended to replace note 8 which currently says

Thermal conductivity values for metals range from 6.3 W m−1 K−1 for neptunium to 429 for silver; cf. antimony 24.3, arsenic 50, and carbon 2000. Electrical conductivity values of metals range from 0.69 S•cm−1 × 10 for manganese to 63 × 10 for silver; cf. carbon 3 × 10, arsenic 3.9 × 10 and antimony 2.3 × 10.

The note is attached to this sentence:

Among nonmetallic elements, good electrical and thermal conductivity is seen only in carbon (as graphite, along its planes), arsenic, and antimony. which covers your concerns.

However, I think it would be better to move the weasel words into the note and shorten the in-text sentence.

I propose changing the sentence to say:

Among nonmetallic elements, only carbon, arsenic, and antimony are good conductors of both heat and electricity.

then change the table header to

Nonmetals with good electrical and thermal conductivity

and add a footer to the table:

Carbon values are for graphite which conducts electricity well only along its planes.

and finally, fix the refs; I incorrectly assumed all electrical values were from one ref and all thermal from the other.

YBG (talk) 14:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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See hatnote any talk page?

Hi. Can you tell me what this phrase in your edit summary means? Thanks. Johnjbarton (talk) 00:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Johnjbarton It is a typo. I meant to say "see hatnote and talk page. Does that explain things? YBG (talk) 00:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, plus now I know what a hatnote is. Johnjbarton (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

About metalloids and a new IP user

Hey there, I hope you are doing alright. I am messaging you because I noticed that a new IP user Special:Contributions/1.165.87.45 started editing today on chemistry pages, and they've been quite disruptive. Most of their edits have been reverted already, but as I am going through the rest I am also realizing that I need to revert more of them myself. Among them were edits made on metalloid and Template:Periodic table (metalloid), basically changing what elements count as metalloids without any references or discussion, which is pretty major ; I am contacting you specifically because I see that they did the same on Lists of metalloids, but there you made an edit going in their direction (merely finishing a color change to match what they did). I was planning to revert to before their first edit, but I figured I would contact you first. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 09:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Choucas Bleu: Thanks for your watchful eye. My first reaction to this IP editor was to roll them all back, but then I looked closer and (mistakenly) thought that these edits were merely making the coloration of the table match the legend for percentages, so I made further changes along the same line.

I have now reverted Lists of metalloids to the status quo ante.

Thank you for assuming good faith on my part and kindly bringing this to my attention. YBG (talk) 15:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

That is understandable indeed. You're welcome! Choucas Bleu (T·C) 16:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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I withdrew the discussion as you suggested, where do you think I should put the move request for the new discussion to shorten the page names? Should I use the standard templates? thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie: Maybe List of MAX Light Rail stations? YBG (talk) 00:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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