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| I have recently redirected the ] article to ] because (1) there is no other article that could be a source of confusion and (2) the city of Košice is significantly more important than the village of ], which might have a separate article in the future as you pointed out. However, you have just reverted my edit. Hoping that we reach a consensus, I would suggest that we redirect Kosice to Košice and add a disambiguation tag to the main article about Košice, leading to ]. In other words, we would use the procedure that is usually applied whenever one meaning of the word attracts much more interest than other meanings of the word. Please, see ] as an example. Would you agree with this proposal? ] 15:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I would agree, if both towns were named Ko'''s'''ice (without š), but they are not, so that in this case, actually, Kosice should contain the text on the village and only - if any - a tag redirecting to Košice (with š) (do not forget that there is no reason to look for Ko'''s'''ice - the village - below the title Ko'''š'''ice). Therefore the disambiguation is the best solution - somewhere in the middle between only Kosice with a Košice-tag on the one hand and Košice with a Kosice-tag on the other hand. | |||
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| :Well, non-Slovak users usually do not type '''š''' because they do not use the Slovak diacritics. For them, Kosice and Košice is the same word. Moreover, an existing article about a major city is in my opinion more relevant than a non-existing article about a small village. I would understand why you oppose my proposal if the Kosice disambiguation article leads to a dozen of relevant normal articles. But now, it simply directs the user to ] and to one red link. So, why not to change it into an ordinary redirect? I would like just to simplify life of non-Slovak users searching information about Košice, that is all. I would be grateful if you think about my arguments again. ] 18:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| : Why not? Because the redirect is wrong, because Kosice is not the correct name of Košice, it is only the form used due to technical restrictions. I.o.w. strictly spoken, any redirect from Kosice to Košice is wrong. The name of the village on the other hand is really Kosice. Secondly, a good encyclopaedia must be exact, and thirdly the current solution still redirects you to Košice, so I do not see the problem - are you afraid that a user will not understand the "long" disambiguation page or have no time to click once more? | |||
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| ::I currently lack a "š" on my keyboard and encountered the disambiguation page somewhat to my surprise. The village of Kosice would certainly, under normal circumstances, occupy the ] article title, but these circumstances are not normal: Košice is clearly far more important, and most users would only be able to access it by typing in "Kosice". That would suggest that a ] on ], and leaving ] as a redirect would be a good idea. But on further consideration, I think that a disambiguation page has a very strong advantage. Any article that links to ] is ambiguous - one does not know whether the article means the Czech village or Košice itself. There are various projects and techniques to attack the problem of inappropriate links to disambiguation pages, so those bad links would end up being fixed (in time). So the disambiguation actually serves a good purpose. It is not the same as the situation is for, say, ] (which redirects to ], with a ] there linking to ] from which other Nashvilles, such as ] may be reached) because while they all share the same spelling, a wikilink (<nowiki>]</nowiki>) or user search for "Nashville" will invariably be for the Tennessee city (otherwise they would be disambiguated). It seems clear to me that while a reader might type "Kosice" into a search box with the aim of finding Košice, a wikilink <nowiki>]</nowiki> should, ''prima facie'', point to the Czech not Slovak settlement (after all, "Kosice" seems to be the only place called "Kosice"). This discrepancy makes a disambiguation page worthwhile, since it means ingoing links will be checked and corrected.] 19:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Slovak "motorroads" == | |||
| ==Hung. kingdom == | |||
| Hi Juro! I have just finished my response to your last edit and than I read your edit summary. You are right. The term "Hungarian Kingdom" is more appropriate for the interwar period than the "Kingdom of Hungary". It would be great to write an article about this period. Although it is a very disputed era. My point is to indicate some sort of distance between pre-WW2 and modern Hungary. It is vitaly important. Why? Because the idea of political continuity to the "Hungarian Kingdom"(1920-1944) is very harmful to the modern Hungarian society. --] 10:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I noticed you did some moves to this effect, so I'm inviting you to see ]. TIA. --] (]) 02:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
| I understand your point, but the aim HERE is not to make policy with names, but only to use usual/correct names. Using "Hungarian kingdom" for the interwar period is just misleading and unnecessary for 99 % of non-Magyar readers (because they could think that Greater Hungary is meant given that we have used "Kingdom of Hungary" previously in the article) and using just "Hungary" is definitely also correct and not-misleading. And above all, the term "Hungary" is linked to the Hungary article, where these details are or should be explained for those who are intersted. ] 13:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I can see your point about the ambiguity. In this context your argument is acceptable.--] 11:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] Hello Juro! Thank you for your contributions. I am a ] alerting you that '''2''' of the articles that you created are tagged as]. The ] policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure ], all biographies should be based on ]. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current '']'' article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{tl|unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list: | |||
| # ] - <small>{{findsources|Ján Čarnogurský}}</small> | |||
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| I've added some material on , maybe you're intersted since I see you come from Slovakia. Best regards, --] 08:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I know these things and that texts is actually a very polite version of what really happened in this region around 1900. But, as long as vandals like Arpad alias all the other names he uses (who has "expelled" several Romanians from this wikipedia, and who as you can see even calls the work of the best contemporary western expert on Austria-Hungary and its ethnic issues -cited by all relevant sources until today - a "pamphlet" only because he does not like the content) are active here, any further discussions are superfluous. ] 02:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Can that Arpad vandal be blocked? Anyway I will try my best to keep an eye on the article. --] 16:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| See ] --] (]) 20:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, probably you noticed that in Romanian and Hungarian city articles a lot of inboxes were changed to bilingual, for example ] and ]. The reason for this that minority names are official in settlement level in these countries. In Romania the translation of official documents and bilingual place name tables are provided by the law when a minority gives 20 % of the population of the town. In Hungary there is no percentage limit, but an official Settlement Codex was published in 2003 with the list of bilingual place name tables. | |||
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| I would like to ask you about the situation in Slovakia. What is criterion for bilingual place name tables? Can we use the recognized names in the infoboxes? ] 16:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| As far as I know, 20%. But personally, I would not use the alternative names in the infoboxes (unlike in the intro) not even in Romania or Hungary, because they simply are no '''official''' names of the settlements and I think the infoboxes should contain official names only. They are "only" names allowed to be used in communication with the offices (which is not the same as an official language as some expert has informed me here some months ago) and allowed to be mentioned on the tables. The only CEE country where the minority languages are really official is Serbia. ] 02:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| There is a difference between the first line usage of the names and the infoboxes. In the first line all alternatives names are mentioned regardless of their status. You are right that infoboxes only contain official data - that's why we indicated only those names that gained official recognition on settlement level. A bilingual place name table means official recognition because it is set up and maintained by the government. In Romania and Hungary bilingual place name tables are frequent and their usage is regulated by the minority rights law. Although I have been several times in Slovakia I don't remember whether there are such tables there. Do exist bilingual place names tables in Slovakia? Did the Slovakian Parliament approved a minority rights law that regulates this question? ] 02:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The answer to the last questions is yes and yes (of course; and if you visit the region once more, you will see that not only the tables, but every inscription is bilingual or even only in Hungarian). But the fact that people are allowed to use the name on tables or even in documents by law does not make the name automatically a second official name in the region - that' a purely legal issue, I have been told this. There is a difference between being favoured/allowed etc. and having the status of "official name". In practical terms, if you mention the name in the infobox, foreigners could think (I would definitely think) that it is the same case like in Canada or Belgium, but it is not. Two names in the infobox are therefore misleading. ] 02:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I think this situation is similar to Romania or Hungary. Obviously the recognized alternative names and the official names don't have an equal status. But the alternative name gained some degree of "officialty" by the governmental recognition. Békéšska Čaba is more similar to an official name than - for example - Päťkostolie but didn't became an equal alternative for Békéscsaba. You are right that these names are "weaker" than German names in Südtirol but "stronger" than not recognized minority names. Because of their transitional status or quasi-officiality I know that there good arguments against/for their usage. In Hungary I decided to change the infoboxes and no Hungarian user opposed this movement (I announced it on the noticeboard), so I think it is OK. In Romania Ronline and Dahn did the same, an edit war broke out but the majority of Romanian users accepted the new infoboxes. Obviously I would like to change the infoboxes of Southern Slovakia (according to the 20 % limit you wrote) but not at the expense of a major edit war. ] 21:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I don't think bilingual infoboxes misleading, see for example the official homepage of Solymár/Schaumar and Lórév/Lovra: and . Both use the bilingual form on the opening page. ] 22:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| (1) I meant misleading at the en-wikipedia level, not at the internet level or elsewhere. (2) The solution would be simple if you had not changed these things for Hungary and Romania without explicitely previously organizing a voting or something like that (to say that nobody oppposed this is not enough, because for example I did not know about this). The solution would be: let's see whether there is a rule for such cases somewhere and/or how this is handled in the infoboxes of other similar (not only one) regions of the world: if it is handled like you propose it here I have no objections, if not I am definitely against creating the wrong impression that former KoH countries are somehow special, because if I - or anybody - see(s) a name in two languages in an infobox, this fact alone implies that those two languages are official languages in that region and that is certainly misleading. And let me just point out that otherwise I am not against mentioning the name in any language at the beginning or elsewhere in the article. ] 23:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I don't think there is a generally accepted rule but the former KoH countries are certainly not exceptional. I found some examples: ], ], ], ]. Obviously it is possible to find other examples where the recognized alternative name is missing from the infobox. | |||
| I think in this case the probable pattern is always the same - there is a chance that users belonging to the ethnic majority (be it Hungarian, Romanian etc) will oppose the change. In the case of Hungary obviously I expected protest only from Hungarian users so I thought it enough to announce the change on the noticeboard. Things are more difficult with Slovakia because there isn't a national noticeboard yet. ] 09:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| For the future: You have done the following: You have bypassed the need to acquire the consent of Slovak users here, by simply doing something for another country (without asking anybody) and then just claiming "now we have a precedense, so we will do that for the other countries too". Obviously, this is not how things should be done here, because then I could change anything in Slovakia articles without asking anybody (and obviously nobody would notice that, since we are not 1000 local users here) and argue "now I have already changed that, so we have to adapt all the other articles". I hope you understand the problem... As for the matter at hand, go ahead and add the Hungarian names then. ] 13:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| As for historical accuracy: Ronline started the whole campaign in the Romanian articles. Later there was a debate whether Hungarian users should intervene at all. After other Hungarian users made reverts in the Romanian articles I thought it more fair to create bilingual infoboxes in the Hungarian articles also. Of course I agreed with Ronline's arguments and look up the Hungarian minority law (1993) whether it allows bilingual names or not. It turned out that there is an established group of names that are officially recognized. Of course I think - aside from the legal arguments - that it is a positive step and causes no harm for anybody. What's more it adds a plus information for the articles - from the first line we know how much alternative and historical name exists, from the bilingual infoboxes we know that one of them is still living and used semi-officially. ] 15:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi guys. If I can join your discussion, I think that infoboxes should be as short as possible. I must oppose inclusion of any alternative names there. Names in the minority languages are already included in a special "Names" section (such as the one I created in ]) or in the lead. I believe that two names in an infobox may confuse a reader. In addition, the names in a minority language do not have the same status as the official name in Slovakia. This small yet significant legal difference can be nicely illustrated by the graphic difference between the "Štúrovo" and "Párkány" tables at the borders of the municipality. ] 17:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| But there are "Párkány" tables - and that's an important difference compared to other alternative names mentioned in the lead. The status of the name "Párkány" is different from "Besztercebánya" or "Komorn". The bilingual infoboxes in cases when Hungarians (or Rusyns) give up more than 20 % of the population illustrate the different status of that names. ] 21:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Diacritics and page moves== | |||
| Hi! Recently several editors, including yourself, have reverted edits by | |||
| ] which moved pages to diacriticless titles, or | |||
| expressed concern at the moves on his talk page. Despite this, Gene has | |||
| carried on making many moves of this type, some of which will require admin | |||
| work to revert - this behaviour is becoming disruptive, and is reducing | |||
| consistency in article naming schemes. | |||
| Further comments, suggestions and opinions would be welcome either at | |||
| ] or at the section started by Renata3 at | |||
| ]. I believe this may require a report at RfM - please let me | |||
| know if you think this would be a suitable action or otherwise. | |||
| ] 17:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Could you please take look as an expert? The page is on VfD. ] 03:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Arpad vandal== | |||
| Vandal Arpad is again on ] article. I've reverted his edits. Can you also watch that article? --] 10:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I have been watching that article since its creation, but I really do not have the mood for any form of contact whatsoever with an obvious idiot. You must understand that I have to deal with him here for months. And since the English wikipedia does not function properly anymore at the admin level since about 2 years or so, I see no solution. ] 12:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hmm. Too bad. Anyway stay close Juro. --] 12:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| One additional thing for your Magyarisation quotes: I propose you reduce the quotes to those related to Magyarisation and to those said by prominent persons and rename it to show that these are quotes of contemporary Hungarians, not "examples". Otherwise we cannot keep that, although the oroiginal article id definitely a Hungarian propaganda article, equivalent to Holocaust-denial (I do not mean that in terms of seriousness, but in terms of style). Ah yes, and Alphysicist is quite sure the 100th sockpuppet of the same person. ] 13:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Sure. Thank you for your valuable sugesstion. --] 13:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :What was the original name of the vandal? HunTom or what? I need for posting in correct form at CheckUser. --] 13:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::], but note that I am not 100% sure and Arpad has had many names in the meantime (even two in the same discussion - he pretended to be two persons). ] 13:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::OK. It's enough for the moment.--] 15:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I've put the article for deletion . Please provide your input on this page. :) | |||
| ] 06:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == 3RR Warning == | |||
| You are in danger of violating the ] on Slovakization. Please cease further reverts or you may be ] from further editing. <!-- Template:3RR4 --> I have chosen not to block you this time, as you were not warned during the reversions. Next revert, you will be blocked. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I have not made reverts, I have changed the text. Be careful. ] 23:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == "Fascist views", "ethnic propaganda" == | |||
| It's very bad style to label other editors' comments as "fascist views" or "ethnic propaganda". It's also bad form to remove comments from the talk page. | |||
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| -- ] ] 17:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You do not know the history behind. Arpad IS a fascist user permanently creating sockpuppets and permanently placing explicit ethnic insults, he called me "primitive shephard" without special motivation. He also places fascist texts and ethnic propaganda on the talk pages without any relation to the topic of the article or to the topic being discussed. Unless someone blocks his account I will continue to remove any such spam. ] 16:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC) P.S. And see also ] | |||
| Regarding : comment and others: ]This is your '''last warning'''. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be ] for disruption.<!-- Template:Npa4 --> --] 02:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What "personal attacks"??] 10:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regarding edits such as : ]You have been temporarily blocked from editing for disrupting Misplaced Pages by making ]. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. <!-- Template:Npa5 --> --] 17:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I see no personal attack in the above quote. ] 17:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :You mean besides calling them liars, hypocrites, and nationalists? --] 17:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Saying that someone lies and then explaining why, is a personal attack??? Hypocrite and nationalist is a personal attack?? Besides, Mr. Arpad called others nationalists several times, why do not you block him? ] 18:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::You are not in position to call anyone a "liar" etc. unless you support your statement with verified proofs. Other users' vandal activity cannot serve as a base for a similar behavior from your part, nor can it serve as an excuse. Moreover, if you "just return the fire" in a discussion, this can lead to an endless and pointless flame war, and when you meet each other in person, you will end up in combat. This is not what two neighbor EU nations need. Remember: One who fails to learn lessons of the faults of the history, is doomed to repeat them. Do not be an example. (And same goes to Hungarian extremists as well.) | |||
| :::: First of all: Where is the signature?!!! Iow this text itself is a lie. Secondly, I repeat: I AM in the position to say that someone (especially this particular chronic lier and vandal having tens of sockpuppets) lies, because each time I say this I say why, see for example the Slovakization discussion. The rest is irrelevant, you can discuss this with someone in the street. Each sentence User Arpad (alias Alphysikist etc.)says is a deliberate lie, each time he "quotes" from a source he lies and cites his own words, he adds fascist propaganda on the talk pages, he insults users, he vandalizes Slovakia and Romania related pages, and now he even denies his own statements made in this wikipedia. He is a case for doctor. ] 10:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: A visitor has no signature but has opinion so focus on that. The essence is that you keep using strong emotional expressions like 'liar' or 'lie' a bit too carelessly. Your reaction by which you take the peaceful warnings and suggestions ('rest is irrelevant') can seem rather arrogant too. Please calm down. You are definitely right about Hungarian extremist vandals. Believe me, even most of normal Hungarians think they are a**holes, as ANY extremists, vandals and nationalists are. Slovak extremist idiots are already disrupting Slovakia's respect by brutal assassinations of Hungarian minorities (Nitra, Komarno, Sládkovičovo, just to name the places of the past days incidents). I hope you agree that verbal or physical fighting is pointless. Regards, Visitor. | |||
| :::: The person, currently Alphysikist (alias Arpad) knows very well who is meant by this and why. In his last edit he does not even hide that he is a sockpuppet - and nobody cares (that's my problem here). I am definitely entitled to call things by their proper name (a liar is a liar, a vandal is a vandal, an extremist is an extremist). What happens in Hungary and Slovakia recently is only a big (very big) coincidence and has absolutely nothing to do with what happens here (at least for all users except Arpad), so, you are interpreting things into this technical vandalism that have nothing to do with it. ] 14:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: I do not intended interpret things into others, I just wanted to emphasize that sorrowful ethnic-based incidents in Slovakia and improper/stupid responses in Hungary (ie. posters by extremist soccer fans) can give an aggressive boost for activity of vandals like (as you mentioned) this Arpad character. You also mentioned that noone cares about the observed sockpuppeting -- how comes? You reported this, I presume, so why WikiAdmins not take actions? You better rely on them, hm? I hope that your complaints will be processed, vandals will be repelled and you don't have to enter yourself into fights and thus getting punished repeatedly. Best wishes, Visitor. | |||
| For your disruptive accusations and threats immediatly following your last block, you have now been blocked again. --] 22:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :This is your only warning: No more of and no more accusing others of being a sockpuppet or you will be blocked yet again. --] 19:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: If you block me this time again, and again with no arguments (this is no reason: ), I will start a procedure against you, because of disruptive behaviour (last time you have deleted normal text from a talk page with the comment "personal attack" althought the comment contained no such attacks). Do not think that you will pass with this again. ] 19:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Don't bother trying to threaten me. Start whatever 'proceedures' you wish to start, but the fact doesn't change that if you are uncivil and disruptive again, you will be blocked again, and for longer than you were before. --] 19:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I am waiting for an explanation how this could be classified as uncivil and disruptive. And do you not bother threaten ME. ] 20:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regarding : This is your only warning. Any further disrespectful and disruptive behavior will result in another block. --] 18:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I am sorry to disagree with you, InShaneee, but Juro's use of the word "mess" may be seen by many people as a suitable description. He replied to a misleading, factually wrong and slightly offensive comment, in which Árpád (1) abuses the statistical data (because the initial numbers of "Hungarian" schools in Slovakia was a result of the preceding ] of predominantly Slovak regions), (2) individual episodes of vandalism (eg. destruction of statues) presents as the state policy of Slovakization, and (3) denies existence of Slovak history before 1918 (which is from the historic point of view non sense and I would be grateful if anyone could explain me what the "Hungarian architectural pattern" is about). Please, consider the context of the ongoing disputes before you decide to block one particular user. I feel offended by Arpad's persistent attempts to rewrite history of my home country. If you really want to punish disruptive behavior, perhaps you can block some other users too. ] 19:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The two statues was destroyed in 1919 as one of the first actions of the new Czechoslovakian government. It was a highly symbolic act that should be mentioned in the article. So actually Árpád was right in this question... ] 20:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::We will add the erection of Arpad statue on Devín to the Magyarisation article then (as an example)...We could not be more ridiculous than this. ] 22:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Although I still think that the incidents did not follow any long-term systematic government policy, you are right that it was a state-sponsored event. So, I should exclude it from the list. But how about two other points? There are more users with "disruptive" behavior involved in the recent disputes, but InShaneee is blocking only Juro. ] 20:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The others claims need a lot of research sdo I can't say anything about them now. About the other users: I posted a message to Alex Bakharev talk page and called his attention to the sockpuppet accusations. I thing it would better to launch a Checkuser process to get rid of real sockpuppets and clear of other users under constant charges. I hope that Alex will do something as admin. ] 22:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I don't know what you think this thing is, but it's disruption and it stops now. --] 22:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I will summarize the above for you, because you - obviously deliberately - do not want to understand: What is disruptive here, is every single statement of user:Arpad on the talk pages and he continues with such statements although he was told to stop this repeatedly by several users since last Christmas. You are not informed and intelligent enough to see that, so Tankred and I am telling you that now and here. What I say, are just reactions. ] 22:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Given your resolve to continue attacking other users in such a manner despite many, many warnings, you have now been blocked for one week. --] 23:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I see no "attacks" on my part. The only thing I see are attacks, threats, stalking on your part and harassment, all of which justify that you be immediately deprived of any admin rights you have. ] 23:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| As a semi-neutral Admin to this issue, an investigation of comments posted shows a high level of probable incivility (telling users to see a doctor about thier views, etc), but I dont really see where he has actually threatened users or called them deliberate names (Ex: "I'm going to XXXXX you if you revert me again", "you are a XXXXX for your views, etc). I would suggest that Juro simple reword his talk page views in a calmer tone and that the other admin give him a little bit more slack unless it is a very clear threat or an intentional name call on another user. Just my view. -] 01:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You're hardly helping your case any. One more personal attack on this page and your block will be extended and this page will be protected, as well. --] 03:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Cite here the "personal attack" in what you have deleted (this is the third time you have deleted my text claiming it contains "personal attacks" while it contains none) and explain to me, since when normal admins are allowed to delete private talks between two different users (and how someone can be "attacked" when I am not talking to him).] 17:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Juro, == | |||
| I guess you still haven't read my message for you: ] | |||
| My answer to your reaction is already there. Laddy | |||
| == References == | |||
| I hope you can list here some Slovak literature about the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/Magyarization#References Currently, only Serbian sources are listed and this could lead that somebody think that article is entirely based on Serbian sources. ] ] 21:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Currently, I have to normalize the artificial "Slovakization" article. Later on I will improve the Magyarization article. Since Magyarisation is a central part of Slovak history, my actual problem will be, what to leave out :)) ] 21:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What do you wait to start that CheckUser? and an RfC against those bastards? | |||
| Because the central vandal has a dynamic IP, I would have to list at least 10 users for a check (which is too much) and I have no proofs other than general observation and they require a "proof" on the CheckUser page. ] 12:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Juro, I will be happy to support you if you initiate the CheckUser procedure. Perhaps we can prove that several IPs worked in collusion with HunTomy and Arpad. I think this is quite obvious in case of Arpad and the List of Slovaks, but it would be more difficult to provide evidence for the link between HunTomy and Arpad. Another (very weak) evidence is that none of them disagreed with your accusation of sockpuppetry. As for Arpad's socpuppets, the list should definitely include ], ], ], 81.183.183.12, 81.182.208.176, 81.182.208.215, 81.182.167.190, 81.182.208.155, 81.182.208.161, 81.182.209.198, 81.182.209.170 and possibly also 84.2.101.211, 86.101.74.39. The collusion between those 81... IPs and Arpad can be documented by ]. Perhaps you can find similar arguments for HunTomy and Enigma1. For example, cooperation of a sort between Arpad and Enigma occured on the Treaty of Trianon talk page. Enigma1 and 81.182.209.170 colluded here and here. Well, good luck and if you need any support in proving this case of sockpuppetry (and related cases of vandalism and personal attacks), feel free to drop me a line. ] 14:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| My personal guess is that the vandal now is Kelenbp who use this account as the “good account”. Kelenbp is HunTomy. Zsakos is for sure HunTomy. | |||
| Ahh!! Don’t forget about another vandal…] (]) alias ] and ]. | |||
| Good luck mate! | |||
| Just curious: are you someone I know already and if so: from outside the wikipedia, or from inside the wikipedia? ] 19:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Your pal Bonaparte. Sorry for all, I remember when I propose you admin. I'm sorry friend for not being elected. However I will support you as I can. | |||
| :You are in danger of violating the ] on ]. Please cease further reverts or you may be ] from further editing. <!-- Template:3RR4 --> —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 18:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :] has already broken that rule (I do not know whether within 24 hours). Why do not you block him? I can not believe what is happening here. ] 19:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Um...no? He only made 3 reverts: . If Vay is his sockpuppet then we would have a 3RR violation, but of course every Hungarian user is a sockpuppet of ''someone''. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 19:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I haven't reverted more than three in 24 hours time and I don't have any sockpuppets. ] 19:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| These are your last 4 reverts. Even if the last one was outside the 24 hours, I see no warning by Khoikhoi on Zello's talk page: | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Slovakization&diff=72207739&oldid=72075910 | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Slovakization&diff=72257587&oldid=72235993 | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Slovakization&diff=72274137&oldid=72269902 | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Slovakization&diff=72444729&oldid=72444671 | |||
| ] 19:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :They're ''not'' all in 24 hours. The first one was 16:18, 27 August 2006 and the last was 19:16, 28 August 2006 . If he had reverted '''before''' 16:18, 28 August 2006 then he would be blocked. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 19:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :And where is Zello's warning?] 19:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Good question... —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 19:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I am waiting for a normal answer. ] 19:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| You should realize that I didn't broke the 3RR. Probably I reverted a bit too often but remained behind the legal borders. ] 19:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ===Blocked=== | |||
| <div style="float:center;border-style:solid;border-color:blue;background-color:AliceBlue;border-width:1px;text-align:left;padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">] '''You have been ]''' for '''] violation on ]''' for a period of '''24 hours'''. To contest this block, please reply here on your '''talk page''' by adding the text <nowiki>{{unblock}}</nowiki> along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from ]. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC) </div><!-- Template:GBlock --> | |||
| {{unblock reviewed|I have not broken that rule, the text has been rewritten several times. The block is harassment and disruptive behaviour|decline=The same content is the same however worded. 3 reverts is not a privilage, anyway. --] 21:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)}} | |||
| :Actually, a bit of the content was the same every reversion. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Request== | |||
| Copied from my talk page: | |||
| Could you please confirm on my talk page, that the last content of the Slovakization article is not same like before, so that the unjustified block can be removed? ] 22:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I can justify that your last contribution at 20:12 wasn't a revert but a normal change of the text discussed on the talk page. I can also justify that the content dispute in the case of that hotly disputed paragraph was solved and we found a neutral and acceptable version. But your former contribution at 19:31 was a revert and the fourth one in 24 hours time. ] 22:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| No it was not, because the text was totally reworded (compared to the previous versions) and 50% of the text have been removed. This is the standard way how articles are changed in the wikipedia, nobody can be blocked for this. This is a matter of principle. ] 22:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Yes, I see that at 19:31 you re-instated the disputed paragraph but really omitted one longer sentence in brackets. I really don't know whether this is considered a revert or not. ] 22:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: No, I referred to the previous edit... ''text removed by ] on September 2, 2006.'' | |||
| ::""Complex partial reverts" refer to reverts that remove or re-add only some of the disputed material while adding new material at the same time, which is often done in an effort to disguise the reverting." http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:3RR ] 23:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::This is ridiculous, because it applies to every second edit in the wikipedia. But many things are ridiculous here over the last months, right ? ] 14:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Juro and Latinitas are blocked... How funny is that? löl | |||
| Juro, I am trying to help you and I really hope you will get unblocked soon. But maybe you can cool down a bit too. I am sure you can choose more descriptive and less insulting words than "total incompetence". I know you are upset, but such behavior will not help you at all. Instead, your block will only help that guy, whose presumable sockpuppet once called all Slovaks "shepherds". So, please refrain from unnecessary and inefficient provocation. Take care. ] 23:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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