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| == Jose Fernandez more important than Arnold Palmer? == | |||
| I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ). | |||
| Absolute JOKE Jose Fernandez is on the front page and Arnold Palmer is not. Fernandez' death was tragic, but how many people knew about him outside of Miami other than hard-core MLB fans (which I am)? Say the name Arnold Palmer, and the vast majority of Americans and Canadians, not to mention many around the world, would instantly recognize what sport he played and what he accomplished, even though the last major he played was in 1994, and his last PGA Tour victory was in 1973 (two years before Tiger Woods was born). I would have no problem whatosever with Fernandez on the front page of the Spanish-language Misplaced Pages. But he shouldn't trump Arnie here. ] (]) 18:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Regarding the first 2, I suspect a ] at work. That is, AP's mastery of the game was many years ago, so has been forgotten, while JF's major accomplishments are fresh in out minds. ] (]) 18:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{ping|DavidSteinle}} It's not an importance issue. Per an RFC earlier this year, any person who dies and has an article is deemed notable enough to be posted to recent deaths. However, in the case of Arnold Palmer, the article is not up to par (forgive the pun) and has been the ]. If Palmer's article is improved (mainly referencing issues) within a week of his death, then it will be posted under the recent deaths section. {{ping|StuRat}} That might be part of the issue, but more than likely it's because Palmer's article is older and a bigger target for vandalism than Fernández's. Palmer's article was created on September 7, 2002, whereas Fernández's was created from a redirect on March 9, 2013. ~ ] (]) 18:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Arnold Palmer hasn't been posted to the main page because his article is in atrocious condition. That's all.--] (]) 18:29, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Who is Arnold Palmer? ] (]) 09:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::He has been added to recent deaths now. ] (]) 10:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| It's a bit weird we visibly link to ], but the only link to ] (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like ] that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. ] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Pyst == | |||
| :Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. ] (]) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Someone obviously thinks this is a neat pun (though I believe "pissed" in that sense is purely an Americanism), but I don't think this really merits a mention. The Pyst article is not a great one, and relates to a 10-year-old video game. The Game Revolution page doesn't even mention Pyst, and the Pyst page only mentions it in passing. One review. Ten years ago. And does "pissed" on the front page really communicate the professional impression that Misplaced Pages is striving for? ] (]) 10:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :This appears to be an objection to the ], not the contents of ] itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to ] in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps ]) or at the ]. ] ] 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Couldn't agree more. Thought I was somehow on Uncyclopedia for a minute. --] (]) 15:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page. | |||
| ::] is the best venue for this. ] (]) 18:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Wouldn't changing the skin change ''all'' pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- ] (]) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::However, the people involved in the selection of items for the main page and the language used there will tell you that Misplaced Pages is uncensored and that you should have been participating in the process sooner. Thou shalt not criticize the maintainers of the main page.--<span style="background:#C2C2C2">]]] </span> 18:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
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::I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. ] (]) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
| ::::I thought it was a bit ] too, but the anon spoils his/her argument by making totally irrelevant points. Game is 10 years old- irrelevant. DYK is for new articles, not new stories, it is not In the News. Review is 10 years old- irrelevant. If notable then, is notable now. Not mentioned in Game Revolution- irrelevant. Review could be more notable for this article than that one. ] (]) 19:20, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Indeed, the main problem was the use of the word "pissed" in Misplaced Pages's voice (as opposed to a quotation), which was patently unacceptable and downright embarrassing. | |||
| :::::Astonishingly, ]'s original hook avoided this issue, despite containing similar wordplay (and required only minor tweaking). I'm baffled as to why it was replaced. | |||
| :::::I've switched to that hook, per the promoter's notation that it would be "the fall-back option" "if the no-fun police knocking". (Yeah, let's throw in an insult for good measure.) —] 19:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I've made a note of this at the DYK project. Nothing will come of it but it's important to record these failings, particularly if they fall outside the WP:ERRORS zone. ] (]) 21:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Misplaced Pages is quickly skydiving towards lack of credibility with postings such as these. ] (]) 22:58, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Not really, we could post dozens of these and we'd still be lightyears ahead of Google, Twitter, Yahoo and Facebook. No need to worry. --] (]) 01:29, 1 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::None of the above pretend to be encyclopaedias. ] (]) 18:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::A 'what is becoming of the Misplaced Pages Main Page discussion' was about due :) | |||
| This probably applies to most encyclopedias. ] (]) 09:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
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I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ).
It's a bit weird we visibly link to Misplaced Pages:Contents/Portals, but the only link to Misplaced Pages:Contents (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like Misplaced Pages:Contents/TOC navbar that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. Beland (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. Art LaPella (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- This appears to be an objection to the WP:SKIN, not the contents of Main Page itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to Misplaced Pages:Contents in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps Misplaced Pages talk:Vector 2022) or at the village pump. Modest Genius 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page.
- Wouldn't changing the skin change all pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- Beland (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. Masem (t) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)