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| ==Usability and discoverability== | |||
| == Jose Fernandez more important than Arnold Palmer? == | |||
| I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ). | |||
| Absolute JOKE Jose Fernandez is on the front page and Arnold Palmer is not. Fernandez' death was tragic, but how many people knew about him outside of Miami other than hard-core MLB fans (which I am)? Say the name Arnold Palmer, and the vast majority of Americans and Canadians, not to mention many around the world, would instantly recognize what sport he played and what he accomplished, even though the last major he played was in 1994, and his last PGA Tour victory was in 1973 (two years before Tiger Woods was born). I would have no problem whatosever with Fernandez on the front page of the Spanish-language Misplaced Pages. But he shouldn't trump Arnie here. ] (]) 18:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Regarding the first 2, I suspect a ] at work. That is, AP's mastery of the game was many years ago, so has been forgotten, while JF's major accomplishments are fresh in out minds. ] (]) 18:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{ping|DavidSteinle}} It's not an importance issue. Per an RFC earlier this year, any person who dies and has an article is deemed notable enough to be posted to recent deaths. However, in the case of Arnold Palmer, the article is not up to par (forgive the pun) and has been the ]. If Palmer's article is improved (mainly referencing issues) within a week of his death, then it will be posted under the recent deaths section. {{ping|StuRat}} That might be part of the issue, but more than likely it's because Palmer's article is older and a bigger target for vandalism than Fernández's. Palmer's article was created on September 7, 2002, whereas Fernández's was created from a redirect on March 9, 2013. ~ ] (]) 18:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Arnold Palmer hasn't been posted to the main page because his article is in atrocious condition. That's all.--] (]) 18:29, 28 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Who is Arnold Palmer? ] (]) 09:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::He has been added to recent deaths now. ] (]) 10:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Pyst == | |||
| Someone obviously thinks this is a neat pun (though I believe "pissed" in that sense is purely an Americanism), but I don't think this really merits a mention. The Pyst article is not a great one, and relates to a 10-year-old video game. The Game Revolution page doesn't even mention Pyst, and the Pyst page only mentions it in passing. One review. Ten years ago. And does "pissed" on the front page really communicate the professional impression that Misplaced Pages is striving for? ] (]) 10:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Couldn't agree more. Thought I was somehow on Uncyclopedia for a minute. --] (]) 15:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::] is the best venue for this. ] (]) 18:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::However, the people involved in the selection of items for the main page and the language used there will tell you that Misplaced Pages is uncensored and that you should have been participating in the process sooner. Thou shalt not criticize the maintainers of the main page.--<span style="background:#C2C2C2">]]] </span> 18:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::It's a bit of a push to suggest that the DYK project comprises "maintainers of the main page"... ] (]) 18:51, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I thought it was a bit ] too, but the anon spoils his/her argument by making totally irrelevant points. Game is 10 years old- irrelevant. DYK is for new articles, not new stories, it is not In the News. Review is 10 years old- irrelevant. If notable then, is notable now. Not mentioned in Game Revolution- irrelevant. Review could be more notable for this article than that one. ] (]) 19:20, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Indeed, the main problem was the use of the word "pissed" in Misplaced Pages's voice (as opposed to a quotation), which was patently unacceptable and downright embarrassing. | |||
| :::::Astonishingly, ]'s original hook avoided this issue, despite containing similar wordplay (and required only minor tweaking). I'm baffled as to why it was replaced. | |||
| :::::I've switched to that hook, per the promoter's notation that it would be "the fall-back option" "if the no-fun police knocking". (Yeah, let's throw in an insult for good measure.) —] 19:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I've made a note of this at the DYK project. Nothing will come of it but it's important to record these failings, particularly if they fall outside the WP:ERRORS zone. ] (]) 21:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Misplaced Pages is quickly skydiving towards lack of credibility with postings such as these. ] (]) 22:58, 30 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Not really, we could post dozens of these and we'd still be lightyears ahead of Google, Twitter, Yahoo and Facebook. No need to worry. --] (]) 01:29, 1 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::None of the above pretend to be encyclopaedias. ] (]) 18:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::A 'what is becoming of the Misplaced Pages Main Page discussion' was about due :) | |||
| This probably applies to most encyclopedias. ] (]) 09:59, 2 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Current DYK image's license problem == | |||
| Currently, the DYK portion of the main page is using ]. Despite passing through ] and ] claiming during the review, the source website makes no mentioning that the image is licensed under CC-BY-4.0. We should pull the image off the main page as an interim measure until its copyright status is cleared up. (And I can't tag the file on Commons because it's currently protected). ]] 21:40, 2 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :There seems to be a CC license on the website's copyright page. Did you not notice, or is there a problem with its application? ] (]) 22:10, 2 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == On this day... == | |||
| Today is the first day of the Jewish year. Worth mentioning, isn't it? ] (]) | |||
| :It was mentioned, on ]. The confusion is due to differences in calendars and timekeeping. Under the ] days begin at sunset. Under the ], which evolved from ], days begin at ]. To deal with the difference, Misplaced Pages is simply following the common practice of listing events on the Hebrew calendar on the date the begin under the Gregorian calendar. --'']'' <sup>]</sup> 10:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::But today will still be the first day of the Jewish year until sunset (although I'm not sure which sunset would apply for front page purposes - only where UTC is used?) I realise there may have to be an easy compromise to avoid having to set up special timers for such events. I'm guessing that "common practice" probably represents just such a compromise. ] (]) 11:15, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :: Understandable, although there is a point to the comment above. Thanks. ] (]) | |||
| :::We used to list it on two dates: the Gregorian day that includes the beginning of the Jewish day, then the actual day itself, but it didn't seem particularly fair that Jewish holidays got to be listed twice due to a quirk in the calendar, whereas secular holidays and those of other religions only got to be shown once. I suppose I can take it up with the folks at ] to see which day they would prefer Jewish holidays to be shown on. <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">—''']''' <small>{]}</small></span> 16:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == List of articles? == | |||
| Can we make a list of articles in reverse chronological order, so that way we can see which ones are newer. It would be pretty helpful when looking for pages that need more info. If something like this already exists, can you let me know? | |||
| ] (]) 15:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Is ] what you're looking for? ] ] 15:12, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yea, this is exactly what i meant. Thank you! ] (]) 17:29, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Question == | |||
| First of all: ''Welcome! This page is for discussing the organization and layout of the main page. It isn't for general questions or for encyclopedic content.'' Yes, I know that, but nobody tells me WHERE to find the place for questions of encyclopedic content. I know as well, that I can ask on the debate page of the specific article (in this case ], but nobody's looking there because that's not exactly a very much-frequented article. It would be nice if you could add something like ''If you have a general question or a question of encyclopedic content please go ].'' | |||
| So, I was wondering if anyone is an expert in Greek football. There are a lot of football clubs that are actually departments of big sports clubs (and the football department having a different name than the original club), and it is always hard to impossible to find information on the history of the names of those departments. Now I stumbled over the football club PAE Aris (]), which is part of the sports club ]. So far, so good. Now my question: Since I'm working on a football archive I'd like to know since when the football department of AS Aris is called "PAE Aris". The club itself was founded in 1914 as "PS Aris" as a pure football team, with the "P" standing for "football". The next years, many other sports departments (e. g. basketball) evolved, so in 1926 PS Aris renamed to "AS Aris" with the "A" standing for "athletic" to reflect that there are many sports played in that club. Today, the football department is called "PAE Aris" while the sports club itself is still officially named AS Aris. I don't find any information about since when "PAE Aris" is used. I doubt that the club's football team is called that way since 1926. | |||
| It's a bit weird we visibly link to ], but the only link to ] (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like ] that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. ] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| So my question is: When did the name of the football department of AS Aris change to "PAE Aris"? It would be nice if someone could help me out!--] (]) 22:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :We do have something like what you suggest at the top of this page, underneath the text that you copied to here.("For questions about using and contributing to Misplaced Pages") In your case I would suggest the Help Desk. ] (]) 22:16, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :For specific questions like this head along to ]. ]] 22:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. ] (]) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == Abhishek Jaiswal and his hectic life. == | |||
| :This appears to be an objection to the ], not the contents of ] itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to ] in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps ]) or at the ]. ] ] 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Hi guys this is abhishek jaiswal i belong from BALLIA District which is located in Uttar Pradesh. I was just a simple person till i was a unmature. Then suddenly a girl came in my life and my life changed. | |||
| ::Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page. | |||
| ::Wouldn't changing the skin change ''all'' pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- ] (]) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. ] (]) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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I would expect the main page of the encyclopedia to prominently feature both a table of contents and a search feature. This page has a lot of trivia, which is a nice secondary function, but no longer seems to serve its primary functions very well. It does have a search feature, but it's a small icon up at the top in a bar of icons, rather than being front and center and already open with a box to type in words (in the style of a search engine, like ).
It's a bit weird we visibly link to Misplaced Pages:Contents/Portals, but the only link to Misplaced Pages:Contents (which is important enough it's linked to from every page on the site) is hidden behind the pancake menu icon in the upper left. We do have templates like Misplaced Pages:Contents/TOC navbar that could be used directly on this page as a better gateway to actual articles, for those that are curious but don't have any particular query in mind or are looking for inspiration. Beland (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree about the trivia, but remember opinions here come from the trivia writers. Last time I looked at portal usage statistics, it looks like a few people click to see what they are, and most of them don't click anything further. Art LaPella (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- This appears to be an objection to the WP:SKIN, not the contents of Main Page itself. The default skins on desktop and mobile both have a large search box or icon right at the top of every page. The desktop skin also has a link to Misplaced Pages:Contents in the menu shown on every single page. If you don't like the way that requires opening the menu before that link is visible, I suggest you bring it up on an appropriate talk page for the skin (perhaps Misplaced Pages talk:Vector 2022) or at the village pump. Modest Genius 14:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm objecting to the fact that the primary functions of the main page are hidden in a menu and in an icon rather than being directly on - if not the most prominent things on - the page.
- Wouldn't changing the skin change all pages? That seems like the wrong answer, since it wouldn't make sense to put the Contents listing on every page, nor would it make sense to have an open search bar on every page. Unlike the main page, I would expect the primary means of navigation to be clicking on links to related articles, as opposed to browsing through topics. (Search is sort of intermediate on those pages, so an icon seems like a good compromise.) -- Beland (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see no reason why we can't have in the top box "Welcome to Misplaced Pages" a visually predominant search bar. Doesn't touch the skin. Masem (t) 22:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)