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] Please accept this barnstar. I'm impressed that you never seem reluctant to handle the tough, convoluted VfD closing decisions that lots of people shy away from. ] 03:26, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)


== RfD backlog ==
== "malfucntioning" signature - thanks! ==
There is a large backlog of discussions at RfD awaiting closing, some outstanding for over a month. I cannot close any of the discussions from 6 June or earlier (and probably some later than that too), so if you have the time it would be very helpful if you could help reduce the backlog. Thank you, ] (]) 11:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey - I just twigged before you posted the message that the "problem" with the bold type and lack of link was due to where I was posting rather than what! (See ]'s talk page) Changing to "raw" and adding a few square brackets did, indeed, cure the other problem. Signature back to normal (phew). ] ] 14:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:The backlog has now been cleared, thank you very much for your help. ] (]) 10:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


== Afd review == == Centoctgesimal courtesy RfD ==
Just wanted to say, I'm impressed by your excellent review at ]. I wish we had more folks like you closing controversial Afds. I like it when people actually describe the situation instead of just slapping a "no consensus" on things. I believe there are some particularly difficult Afds coming up, many related to the mass-nomination of weblogs. I've been distressed lately at the "first come, first serve" nature of Afd closures. I've halfway been tempted to start a discussion on the talk page about getting consensus on who would close particular Afds, so that someone doesn't just snatch it up and close it however they want with only a superficial review. I wondered if you'd be interested in 1) Volunteering ahead of time to close certain Afds which may require a detailed review, and/or 2)Suggesting other people equally skilled to close additional Afds and/or 3)Anything else you can think of that may be helpful. ] ] 03:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks Rossami, for creating these RfD and notifying me. I added my two cent(octgesimal)s worth. Thank you also for your time invested in clean-up and maintenance of wikipedia. ] (]) 17:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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== Discussion about "Template:Cop" ==
I was wondering what you meant by "Topic deleted per AFD" in ? It seems the only thing you did was remove spaces. Did you mean to delete something, or was this just an error? Thanks in advance, ]]]] 07:14, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
There is a discussion at ] about the second nomination of ] in which you may be interested. --] (]) 06:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
== Discussion about "Template:Wprk" ==
There is a discussion at ] about the nomination of ] in which you may be interested. --] (]) 09:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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There is a discussion at ] about the nomination of ] in which you may be interested. --] (]) 07:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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There are several redirects for discussion at ] in which you may be interested. --] (]) 16:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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There are several redirects for discussion at ] in which you may be interested. --] (]) 03:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hello there! Thanks for your note; perhaps some wordsmithing is in order, as I built the former statements based on what was already in place (somewhat). I have edited the point and hope the response is informative. ] 16:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


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Hi Rossami. In case you don't call by Del Review soon, I left for you. -]<small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


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Got your note about talk page etiquette. First off, I'll note that I wasn't the first to start interrupting the other's comments &#8211; I did that only after he started interrupting mine. Secondly, I'm appalled that "talk page etiquette" is more concerned with coherence than with ignorant stereotyped generalizations about "anglosaxon culture." Buddy doesn't hesitate to insult anyone he feels like insulting, but you're worried because his text is interrupted! There's your etiquette, eh?
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As should be clear from my last comment on that page, I have washed my hands of the whole stupid business. However, I will "refactor" by adding a concise statement of my position. Hope you'll be able to sleep better. ] 13:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


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:In the end I did what I expect you preferred &#8211; I put all my replies to LtDoc's last post in one place. Whether the debate is worth following is a good question to consider, though. ] 13:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


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:::Thanks for pointing it out to me. I tried to re-edit my comments at the end of each posting, but I messed up the first time, so I just decided to leave the ones in the middle that way, and any new replies will be added at the bottom, as you suggested. I did that believing that an argument would be more productive, each part dissecated and debated point-for-point, despite what others can say about it.] 14:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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: Huh. I had no idea how much time had gone by. I'll try to find time to return. ] <small>]</small> 05:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


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Thank you to both of you for helping to clean up the discussion so the rest of us can try to follow it. I promise to read carefully and to do my best to understand both sides of the arguement. Now I do have to ask you both to take the rest of the disagreement off my Talk page, please. Thanks. ] ] 22:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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Hi Rossami! Any opinion about this ArbCom case? It is looking more and more like a deletion policy case now... ] ] 08:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


You may be interested in the discussion at ]. —] (]) 23:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
== PotterCast/Pottercast DRV ==
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PotterCast is already mentioned in the The Leaky Cauldron article and it seems reasonable to mention the live podcast they did at the latest film premiere. If we do that, GFDL requires us to credit the original author, so I think a merge of some sort is required. Perhaps move it to the leaky cauldron talk before merging to avoid an article in the main namespace although, I think it should redirect to the site that runs the cast anyway. Would you please reconsider your vote for merging purposes? - ]|] 10:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Would you mind recounting here. Does this close relate to this comment ] (]) 05:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


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Hi Rossami. Sure, I'll try to check the contribs from this anon from time to time. You're right, I should have looked a little harder at the previous test warnings. I tend to shy away from the harshest warnings - I'm confident with my decisions, but not so much with asking admins to block/look in on a user! Cheers--]] 10:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ] and ]. Since you had some involvement with these redirects, you might want to participate in ] if you have not already done so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> <small>—]<sup>(]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">])</sub></small> 20:51, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


== Reintroduced, Reintroducing, Reintroduction, and Reintroductions listed at ] ==
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Following my claim on ] that linking to another page with the edit history suffices, you said:
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ], ], ], and ]. Since you have had some involvement with the ''Reintroduced'', ''Reintroducing'', ''Reintroduction'', and ''Reintroductions'' redirects (i.e. ]), you might want to participate in ] if you have not already done so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> <small>—]<sup>(]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">])</sub></small> 03:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:''To answer Charles above, no, moving the text to a userpage and then linking to the userfied page would not be sufficient. Contribution history must be tracable back to the original contributor, not merely to Astrokey44. The full version would have to remain (as OwenX proposed) but as Splash points out, could not ever be deleted. That would defeat the intent of the AFD decision. To answer Astrokey44, yes, we could post the sections but you'd also have to cut-and-paste the contribution history. Again, that would seem to defeat the intent of the AFD decision.''
The contribution history would remain at the userfied page, and is still available if the user page is deleted: at least the list of contributors and their dates of contribution are visible, even if the diffs are unavailable to non-admins.


== I kinda owe you an apology not because Misplaced Pages says so but because I say so ==
Saying that simply linking is not good enough means that any use of the GFDL that does provide the kind of detailed edit history that mediawiki provides is infringing, which is onerous, means that infringement is uncommon (eg. most syndicates of WP), and is, I am fairly sure, not what the FSF intended when they formulated the license. --- ] 15:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


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In the last few days I have been hitting your arguments for keeping things pretty hard over at ]. Please believe me that this is in no way anything personal and I see the good work you do and all the contributions you make, it just happens to be a run of bad luck for both of us that we are on opposing sides on every argument.
You replied (and I've bookmarked your user page, so no need to split the discussion): ''But it's a great question. Does the contribution history of a deleted page satisfy GFDL if/when parts of the content are resurrected and re-used?''


I have tried to make it ''not'' look like any kind of personal attack, which it certainly isn't, attacking your argument not you personally. However, if it has ever seemed like that, I can only and sincerely apologise.
:I'd say there should be pointers to the page that provides the source. One could say "it's all on WP, so why bother?", but that makes the work involved in figuring out attributions too great to be practical. But the deletion history is two prominent clicks away from the content, so it really should count; I can't imagine how one would go about arguing it did not. --- ] 18:27, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


I would hope if we ever met in person we would both also argue vigorously while sharing a bottle of wine or whatever is your fancy.
==For your list of ''surprising'' VfDs==
] then DRV then ] is about a nice progression from "non-notable" to "decent article" as I have seen. --- ] 17:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


I can assure you once again it is not a personal attack over at RfD and nobody - not a single person or an admin or anything - has warned me, but I can see how it might ''look'' like it. I have made a similar but less personal apology over at RfD but felt I should do so here. Thanks for leaving the message on my user talk page, that kinda broke the ice. ] (]) 06:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
== Deletion Review ==
No problem, we're just giving ourselves a wonderful time with edit conflicts here. Do you use IRC by chance? We might get through this a little better with a quick discussion. --] 07:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


== "...Re" ==
:I'm sorry, I thought by your reference to Australia you were located there. Have a good night then, we can continue debating this at our leisure. --] 07:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi Rossami, I think you should reconsider what happened at ]. While I certainly think you're right that there wasn't consensus either way there, there was almost unanimous consensus at the RM that {{no redirect|...Re}} was ambiguous, so it really should've been retargeted at that point. Taking these discussions together, it seems clear that, while this may well be discussed more in the future, the term needs to be treated as ambiguous. (FWIW, I probably would've supported the RM.) --] (]) 14:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
== your grammatical correction ==
Sorry, my mistake—I misread the forest of piped links in the editing box. ] 12:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


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Found it at ]. Seems pretty handy. ] 19:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
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== "Egyptian mummy" ca.1898 listed at ] ==
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Dear Rossami, I am utterly sorry for having delted three relevant comments. My aim was only the very last comment, by User: EffK, who has been spamming this post across Misplaced Pages, at roughly forty pages (user talk, article talk, wiki pages). I deleted those at the article talk pages and the wiki talk pages where there were not relevant. The page you thankfully had under surveillance was number 20 or so of the ones I deleted. Again, sorry about my mistake and thanks for your correction. ] 18:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


== Administrators' newsletter – December 2022 ==
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Thanks for the speedy delete of the peer review! Palm_Dogg 07:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


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So few admins are about these holidays, and DRV had a tremendous backlog of moribund discussions. I have been bold concluded and removed those which clearly endorsed the status quo, and those which have been superceded or concluded on their own terms. A few remain there that are beyond my competence as a mere mortal. I have seen you around during the holiday, and so ask you to apply your fine judgment to these difficult cases. Best wishes, ] 17:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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I was not the one who moved the original AfD (check the history!). I was just as upset as you are about the way it was done, which is why I replaced the redir on the Talk page with a proper link. ] ] 13:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


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Hope that helps...the point being, don't delete valid contributions just becuase they are made under the wrong title. ] ] 23:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


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The AfD today page (]) is broken again, pulling in old closed nominations. Thanks for fixing it the first time, hopefully the source of the problem can be found and fixed. If this is something I could be fixing myself, let me know that too, I'll be glad to stop bugging you. :) ] 16:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
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I thought I was trying to impose some discipline and lawfulness around here when I blocked Tony for the undeletion of SuperOffice et. al. Then what do I see when I log on this morning? Jimbo unilaterally declaring a CFD discussion as invalid and speedy closing it. LOL. ] ] 14:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


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This is my schoool board's IP. I noticed that you blocked it, and that the block expired today at 15:04 UTC. When I tried to edit just now though, I was still blocked, so I unblocked it. Current UTC time is around 18:30. Please tell me if I've done something wrong, or if there's something I'm missing. Thanks. --] 18:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


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== RE: signatures ==


] from the past month (January 2023).
Your comments on ] are articulate and well-made. Thank you for helping to keep the abuse of the speedy-deletion process in check. Your signature, however, is really hard to look at. If I asked very nicely, would you consider toning down the colors? Sorry I'm such a stick-in-the-mud. ] <small>]</small> 22:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:Go to ] and edit my signature. When you get a version you like, just leave me a message and I'll consider it. I would do this myself, but it would probably still be too colorful. --]]]]] 23:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:: Draft attempted. You've been more patient than my comment deserved. ] <small>]</small> 01:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I've changed my signature to make the "@" orange. Now that I look at the newer version, I can see that it is better and glares less. Thanks for bringing this up - I don't mind! It's a very minor price to pay, especially considering I could just use the standard signature (]). As for the patience, I just like contributing to Misplaced Pages and if there's anything I can do to help improve it, be it welcoming new users or reviewing deleted pages, I'll do it. Thanks, too, for your 10,000+ contributions to Misplaced Pages over almost three years. It is the truly dedicated such as you who keep Misplaced Pages from collapsing, and making it even better than Britannica. --]]]]] 01:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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Also, an arbitrator has that Arbcom can be described as a game of Calvinball and that people can be reprimanded for following the rules if their actions are interpreted to be harmful. I am wondering a bit who's interpretation that is, and am a bit worried that this will make the Arbcom results unpredictable leading to more Wikistress among those who try to follow the policy as well as they can while they're making the encyclopedia. Am I harming the encyclopedia when I keep a poor article which should be deleted because there is no consensus to delete it at the AFD debate? Certainly many people thought so on the "persecution by Jews" issue (BTW, deleted now, within process). Any thoughts? ] ] 15:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


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Just wanted to say thanks for the time you took to try to explain how AfD works on the talk page last week. I've been watching more and saying less (well, except a couple tiffs with Jimbo), and trying to get a grip on this 'rough consensus' idea that exists here. Just wanted you to know I didn't blow you off. -- ] <i><sub>]</sub></i> 22:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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You may notice that I specifically reduced the length and some of the statements which you restored . I don't feel that it is verifiable, neutral, concise prose. I don't feel that you needed to expand three words into an entire paragraph. I also don't think that people "will tend to remember the recoil as soft" over time. That's entirely subjective, and I daresay apologetic. I won't revert it because I don't care enough to argue about it. However, I'd like to tell you that your edit makes it a poorer article. For contrast, what do you feel is wrong with the way it was? Food for thought: have a look at the "eliminating wordiness" link off my user page. Toodles, ] 15:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
*Following ], the ] now requires that prior written consent be gained from the ] to mark a block as only appealable to the committee.
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:I think you missed my point that the copyedit I made included the notion of a blank cartridge, and did it far more succinctly. If you feel that it didn't convey what the article now conveys, that's fine by me. I think it was better the way it was (and conveyed the same information). ] 16:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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== HANE ==
*The arbitration case '']'' has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 24 February 2023.
*In December, the ] was adopted which replaces the ]. The contentious topics procedure is now in effect following an initial ]. There is ] of the changes and ] for the new procedure. The arbitration clerk team are taking suggestions, concerns, and unresolved questions about this new system at ].
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*Voting in the ] will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The ] of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically to vote.
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Also, the June 2005 ] has a lengthy discussion of HANE's. They actually define the term as "High Altitude Nuclear Explosion," and specifically cite ]. "Nuclear Event" is a lot less specific, and I think "Nuclear Explosion" is more accurate. I may be pursuaded to create the article if it's been sitting on your to-do list for a while. ] 15:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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== Administrators' newsletter – March 2023 ==
:If you'd like, I can work on this. I've done quite a bit of recent reading on this subject. Would it be easier for you to contribute to the article if I made it to begin with? ] 16:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


] from the past month (February 2023).
::Have a look at ]. I'll be adding more to it as I have time. See also ]. <font size="-1">] ]]</font> 20:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


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==DC Streets==
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I closed the debate because it was made solely for the purpose of nullifying the concurrent debate at DRV. Tony Sidaway seems to be on a mission to make DRV useless by pre-empting any decision there with an AFD, which, according to his theory, trumps DRV. While he objects to my use of the term "bad faith" when describing the nomination, it is at least insincere. He nominated the article for deletion when he had no reason to do so (and one very good reason not to do so) and then stated why it should be kept. In any case, I originally mentioned in my closing of the AFD that it was a bad faith nomination. Tony removed that as a "personal attack". In any case, the DRV was more about whether AFD is a vote or not, and less about the article itself. I guess I'm getting my answer, it might not be the rule, but it's always the case. -] 16:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


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Oh, I looked and saw the {{tl|deletedpage}} template. I didn't realise it had a history behind it. Sigh. I'll delete it now. -]<small><sup>]</sup></small> 00:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


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Ahhh... I was hoping ''not'' to lead people right to the straw pole , prefering that they read the page and make an informed decision. Given my druthers, I'd have skipped the "voting" entirely, but there seemed to be such a yawning chasm between the consensus as I saw and what others were seeing. I'll wait a while before adding anything back to CENT.


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Is it just me, or do we seem to be moving faster and faster in more directions with less thought every day? I'm certainly guilty of firing back hasty responses, but it seems like we could all stand to slow down. I miss Encephalon's brand of discussion.
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] '''Guideline and policy news'''
== Strange VfD notice ==
*Following a ], ] (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
*Following a ], the Portal CSD criteria (] (portal subject to CSD as an article) and ] (underpopulated portal)) have been deprecated.
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Hi, I was looking at ] and on it's talk page I found this: "On 22 Mar 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. See ]." The Page was edited by you as far as i can see... was Acousmatic nominated, but you mistakenly inserted the link to another VfD or you pasted it on the wrong page, or somthing completely different? --] 女 <sup>]</sup> 20:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
* The results of the ] have been ].
: hehe, I imagined it was a case of a hard working wikipedian =) keep on doing such a good job --] 女 <sup>]</sup> 13:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


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== Conflicting application of consensus ==
* ] of the ] has ].
* The proposed decision for the ] case is expected 7 March 2023.
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I think your summary is correct. It seems that we applying a lower standard for early closure of a AFD discussion than for a deletion. It seems to me that guidelines are intended to err on the side of retaining information and allowing discussion if there is any doubt. Yet you'll see that there is a stronger movement toward not deleting articles that at least have a rough consensus to delete; and at the same time a stronger movement to close a discussion that has less of a consensus to keep. My point is that those admins who choose to deal with deletes should make sure they apply at least closely approximating standards - as it is, it seems that there is a tendency to simply affirm whatever the preceding admin has determined as a matter of course. --] 21:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
* The 2023 appointees for the ] are ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] as regular members and ] as advisory members.
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== Administrators' newsletter – April 2023 ==
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I think we need a stronger statement on the relationship between ] and ]. Your statement ("Just because someone doesn't fall into one of these categories doesn't mean an article on the person should automatically be deleted") appears clear enough to me. An article should not be deleted on the grounds the subject doesn't fall into an AFD category. Yet you still see "'''Delete''' -- fails ]" a lot on AfD.


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I'm disappointed that you did not respond to my comment on the ] issue. Nonetheless, I would appreciate your feedback at ], my proposal to bring some order to the candidates situation. I plan to soon create sample articles to demonstrate what I mean on the page. Please let me know what you think on my talk page. Thanks -- ] 05:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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:Thank you for your note. I would say that I don't think I'm necessarily in a disagreement with you. I do think, however, that the role of ] should be better explained on that page. -- ] 00:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


] '''Guideline and policy news'''
::Thanks. US congressional primaries are coming up, so I think it's a good idea to take care of this now. -- ] 23:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
* A ] is open to discuss whether reports primarily involving ] should be referred to the ].


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==Blumpkin==
* Some older ]s will not be able to use ] on Wikimedia wikis starting this week. This mainly affects users of ]. ({{phab|T178356}})
* The ] has found no consensus to rollback to Vector legacy, but has found rough consensus to disable "limited width" mode by default.
* A link to the user's ] page will now appear in the subtitle links shown on ]. This was voted #17 in the ].


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The article "Blumpkin" has been listed on Articles for Deletion on the grounds that is a neologism already found in Wiktionary. You are being notified as a contributor to "Blumpkin." ] 21:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
* The '']'' case has been closed.
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Hi, I saw your comments on Blumpkin's AfD page. I just wanted to thank you for being a voice of reason in the wilderness of trying to get rid of the multiple dictdefs that are cropping up here. ] 20:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
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== Administrators' newsletter – May 2023 ==
== The userbox war ==


] from the past month (April 2023).
Hi again Rossami! I'm feeling quite tired of this userbox war, and looking for someone sane to share some thoughts with. I'm wondering what your interpretation of ] T1 is. I removed a number of speedy tags from a number of boxes earlier today, believing that speedying them would bring about more fighting. I think they would all go to DRV for some fighting, then they would go to TFD for some more fighting (how fun!), and then a nice RFC and RFAr for dessert.


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The way I see it T1 has the following problems:
#It is vague. What does "inflammatory" mean. I know that saying "This user is a communist" can be inflammatory to some. Yet to me, communism is just another political viewpoint which I disagree strongly with, and have no hatred against those who declare themselves as such. Yet I view "This user is a neo-nazi" as inflammatory, but some people might not. Who gets to decide?
#It is not supported by community consensus. Had such a speedy deletion criterion been proposed, I don't think that it would not garner a majority, let alone a consensus.
#Unlike the other speedy criteria, this one is used to remove templates which would have been ''kept'' on TFD. A7 also has problems with vagueness, but when used properly it doesn't matter much because the speedied items would have been deleted overwhelmingly on AFD anyway.
Anyway, any thoughts about what can be done to diffuse this problem, or is the salvation and truce beyond the realms of the mortal admins? ] ] 15:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


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I was going to use odecay because this is such a tinderbox subject, but I'm too lazy. This ''might'' have been a mistake? We're neck deep in calls for revolution based upon this userbox stupidity... any way I can convince you to restore this and use the article's talk page? - ]]<span class="plainlinks"></span> 00:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


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:It was very, very bad judgement on your part to delete this article after the recent AfD had 60% keep. I '''strongly''' suggest you restore the article. ] 00:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
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::You wrote ''"do I at least get partial credit..."''
::Rossami, you are one of the most thoughtful and careful administrators we have. Five more like you and we'd weep with joy. You always ''always'' get full credit from me, even when I disagree with you. My feelings on this are almost exactly like my fellings on the userboxes: It's best if they go away in the ''long run'' but that trying to push them out in the ''short run'' doesn't help. Thank you for responding to my query.
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==Candidates and elections==
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Thanks for the mention on that page. I'm traveling on business right now and won't be able to work on anything until Sunday at the earliest. -- ] 16:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


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== Date links ==


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Since you have taken an interest in links. Please be kind enough to vote for my ] to reduce overlinking of dates where they are not part of date preferences. ] 20:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
* A ] about removing administrative privileges in specified situations is open for feedback.


] '''Technical news'''
* Progress has started on the ]. This is to address the concerns raised by the community in their ] that requested improvements be made to the tool.


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== Deletion Review ==
* The proposed decision in the ] case is expected 11 May 2023.
Please see additional info on ] re deletion of my user page. Thanks ] 20:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


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==Repeat vandal blocked==
* ] through May 19. The final plan will be published in July 2023.
FYI, {{user|156.63.253.3}} came back after your latest 1 month block expired and started again. The talk page and block logs are disaster areas. I have blocked for 3 months. -- ] ] 18:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


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== Administrators' newsletter – June 2023 ==
Hi, Rossami, I saw that you asked another admin. Hope you don't mind if I jump in and answer. The editor whose user page was deleted and then protected-deleted first registered as {{User|John1838}}. Under that name, he has twelve edits, plus eight deleted edits (which don't appear in his contributions, as they were to his user page, which was deleted). Of those twenty edits, two were minor edits to articles. All the others were either to his user page, his talk page, or article talk pages, and the main theme was that the ] article was being controlled by a cabal of trolls, and that he, John, was documenting all the abuse that these Christians were carrying out against atheist editors. His user page was deleted, and he simply created it again. It was deleted a second time, and then protected. He then abandoned that account and registered another under the name {{User|J1838}}, and made his new user page into an attack page. I imagine that the protection of the deletion of ] was made on the grounds that he had already, as ], re-created his deleted user page, and was therefore likely to do so again. Under his new name, he has seventeen edits, plus one deleted one to his user page. None are to articles; they're all either about the trolls (presumably KHM03, Str1977 and yours truly) that he's keeping an eye on at the Christianity article, or about the deletion of his user page. Hope that helps. Cheers. ] ] 20:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


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== Table help, double-border spacing/filling ==


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Thank you for your help on my table spacing problem. I love the streamlined code. There's only a couple more things I need to implement:
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# I'm after modularity, for this model will be used as a starting point for many projects. How do you insert another table inside a cell, retaining the cell's border?


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Thank you for getting me this far. I would still be stumped if it were not for your help.
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Yes, I'm still on-line. By fillable, I mean retain the two borders that are there, and fill the space between them with another color. I'd also like the space between the two borders to be adjustable. --] 06:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


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Your last two examples on the test page seem to nail it. --] 06:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks for the tip on nesting tables. You mentioned control, using rowspan and colspan. I've been trying to further modularize the table, but there must still be some pieces of the coding puzzle I'm missing. What I'd like to do is:
#Split the bottom box in the right-hand column into 2 boxes, sitting side-by-side.
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After that, I think the only issue remaining will be how to vary the placement of a nested table within a cell.
* Following ], editors indefinitely site-banned by ] will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
* As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's ] project, a ] that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An ] has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.


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Once all the above is figured out, I can go back to actually building pages. Thanks for your help so far.<br>
* Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of ]. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until ''at least'' October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Misplaced Pages until some time in 2024.
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== Thanks ==
* The arbitration case '']'' has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.


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Thanks for editing ]. -]
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== Administrators' newsletter – July 2023 ==
How do you merge table cells? --] 04:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


] from the past month (June 2023).
==Table application ==


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So far, I've used the table design you taught me to rebuild the Community Portal page from scratch, to clean up its code, and to understand how it was put together. (And to prepare it for future changes). --] 15:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


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* Contributions to the English Misplaced Pages are now released under the ] (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of ]. Contributions are still also released under the ].


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{{Tip of the day}}
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== Administrators' newsletter – August 2023 ==
:Hello. I do like you asked me. Therefore, I will also delete your messages. I hope this is the right way. Please, don't hesitate to correct by yourself if you consider not. ] 17:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


] from the past month (July 2023).
==Thanks on SNI==
Thank you for your attention to this and your comments, notably about wikisource. The text is at wikinfo now, anyway, but will check out that other venue some time. Someone suggested that I put a GNU label on the article on my website, but I'm at another location now where this is less easy to do. Eventually I could do so. People can always reach me there by email. Best regards, ] 03:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


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Hello. I think the discussion is blocked about these quotes concerning Haj Amin al-Hussein. May I ask you to help me to move forward ? I also ask to jayjg. Thank you in advance. ] 16:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
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I appreciate your help on the table formatting. Thanks to you, colspan and rowspan are a breeze! If you ever need anything, let me know. In case you are curious, here is the project your advice was sought out for and applied upon: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Community_Portal&oldid=44415524 <br>--] 22:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
* The tag filter on ] and revision history pages can now be inverted. This allows hiding edits made by automated tools. ({{phab|T334338}})
* ] is a new tool that allows easier blocking of plain domains (and their subdomains). This is more easily searchable and is faster for the software to use than the existing ]. It does not support regex (for complex cases), URL path-matching, or the ]. ({{phab|T337431}})


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==David Freeman (2) MfD==
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== Administrators' newsletter – September 2023 ==
I have done something a little tricky, so I'll submit it to you for review. When you deleted the redirect, the object technically linked to the header of the MfD was no longer in existence. I considered the debate therefor obviated, and closed as supercession by events, because senso stricto, there was nothing left to debate. I have so stated in the close. Alternatively, I imagine the MfD could be closed on a rationale of malformation (since the transfer from AfD was flawed, we can't really be sure whether the MfD was on the User page or the redirect.) Ultimately, one motivation for this was my feeling that an MfD on a userpage commenced so shortly after the moment of its creation was bad form, and possible newbie-biting.


] from the past month (August 2023).
Anyway, I closed it. Since I am not an administrator, and I was actually interpreting your action as having ended the debate, I thought I would submit this to you for review, to make it was proper. Best wishes, ] 17:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


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Hi, you expressed an interest in link policy in the past. You may wish to see the proposal at: ] and vote whichever way you think is best. Thanks. ] 18:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
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Hello Rossami! You have commented on a previous Vote for Deletion for a ] article, and I have made another attempt at producing one, which has also been nominated for deletion. I would welcome your participation in the new debate. Regards, ] 10:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
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== myg0t ==


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Hi, I'm sort of new to wikipedia, so I do not understand what you said in the myg0t Deletion Review request ( http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#myg0t ). Is the article going to be recreated? There seems to be enough people who want it undeleted to warrant it so. Thanks, ] 05:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
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Rossami, thanks for letting me know about the vandalism. I reviewed the page as it appeared when the VfD was closed. The case for overturning is definitely weaker, but I continue to support an overturn for the deletion. I believe most of the votes for deletion were based on the recreation of deleted content criterion, which was shown to be not applicable by Plek. I think that was sufficient for a No Consensus call, rather than either Delete or Keep. Again, thanks for letting me know. ] 22:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
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About ]: I noticed you don't like wiktionary shortlink. I am not sure why. My reasoning is that one would like a direct link, and not a wikipedia-explanation first. However, if you would prefer explanation, then how about compromise and show both? Possibly change sentence to this:
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I am trying to understand the issues around ROGNN...'s User pages. I found some of the views expressed there gave an appearance of inconsistency. Now maybe this is because I have no experience of deletion review. But I would appreciate it if you returned to that discussion to reconcile Thanks. -- ] 16:52, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
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SHould it be revisited? I'm unsure how it changed. ] 23:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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You were gracious enough to comment on 1WW; as you may know there are now ''seven'' competing proposals. On April 6 I suggested that I be permitted to refactor the proposal page into a single, unified proposal. It's my belief that most of us are tending toward the same or a similar restriction on wheel warring. I think it's unwieldy, though, as it stands. A fair number of editors have commented on these distinct versions but (precisely because they ''are'' so similar) no single one has gained undisputed consensus. I suggest that a single, improved version may fare better on its way to policy.


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:That's precisely what I used to do (complete with color-coding), but several users complained. (You're the first to complain about the interweaving.) Is there a specific guideline that I could follow and point people to? (I was unable to find one.) If not, one should be proposed. &mdash;] 14:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
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I don't recall anyone commenting that my point-by-point replies seemed adversarial. I believe that the chief complaint pertained to the amount of space that they consumed. On the other hand, several people praised the color-coding. Unfortunately, it's impossible to please everyone.
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In any event, your advice is welcome, and I will try to post uninterrupted replies (such as this one) whenever feasible. &mdash;] 23:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


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Wow, that's quite a list! If you see any that seem appropriate to post on the reports page, please do so. Thanks again for your interest! ] ] 04:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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: O.K. The first one, 156.63... is ''perfect'', if it was still vandalising. As it is, it's blocked for three months by Doc glasgow. If it starts vandalising again then it should definitely be listed. The second one, 66.203... doesn't have enough of an edit or block history to be worth listing (no blocks at all). ] an example of an ideal case that I'm investigating right now: it doesn't need to be quite that bad, but that's the idea. Registered to a school, long history of vandalism, unlikely to end without a permablock.


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: What would make that template more useful is if it summarised all of the warnings and blocks (i.e. test x4, test 2 x4, test 3 x3, blocked 8, etc.). That would be much more useful for my purposes, but don't feel at all like you need to go out and do that. Only a thought.
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Hi. I recall having a conversation with you about such information being introduced into wikipedia, and I've transwikied some info from ] character articles. See ]. There seems to be a new user advocating the inclusion of the stuff. I'd like another comment from a third party on the matter. -]<sup>]</sup> 04:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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Good point. I'll get back to you on this, but for now could you take a look at the talk page? I left a much nicer (IMHO) message there; feel free to edit. --] 04:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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:People keep vandalizing my user page. Thanks for fixing it the first time, but apparently its popped up again. Can you do something about this? Is there anything I can do to protect myself? --] 01:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Administrators' newsletter – February 2024 ==
:*Yep, sorry about the confusion. Thought you were someone else. Anyways if it happens again--I'll let someone know. Thanks again.--] 14:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


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May I know where had the materials been merged to ? Thank you. &mdash; ]] 19:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
:<cite id=Economic_history_reply_1> </cite> Thank you very much. I just meant to confirm whether the material has been merged anywhere. &mdash; ]] 00:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


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Hi Rossami! Could I ask you what I should do in ? I thought DRV decisions were supposed to be respected. ] ] 06:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


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SYSS Mouse <''email address redacted''> wrote:<br>
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:I sympathize with your concern but please look at the contribution history for the IP user. The pattern of vandalism was persistent, recurring and unrepentant. If you check the block log, you'll see that this IP has been blocked over 20 times, yet the message is not getting through. The vandalism restarts as soon as the last block runs out. Misplaced Pages will not survive if we allow vandals to continue abusing the project unchecked. We value good editors but we pay a tremendous cost in combatting the vandals. At some point, the cost-benefit to the project is negative.


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:On the other hand, the good editors who are affected could begin to address the problem themselves by challenging the vandals who are giving all the users of that IP such a bad reputation. Perhaps an article in the high school newspaper about the damage done by the vandals and the way the costs of vandalism are carried by everyone. Or a class project on the tragedy of the commons. I have learned that social pressure can be extremely effective at addressing these kinds of problems.
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I was not aware that I had voted in that particular debate, given that it had been two weeks since my vote and Sjakkalle failed to link to the debate in question. Had I known that, I would have let another admin handle it. ] (]) 02:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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: And to clarify as well, I spoke to a couple other admins via IRC who agreed with me, but did not wish to handle the deletion themselves. I want to stress that this was not unilateral; I did discuss this with others. ] (]) 02:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


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:: Actually, there is such a comment field that was just added (not sure if it was before the restoration or not). What I meant, however, was that the debate is not linked from the RFD. Given that it had been so long, and I hadn't touched any debates in a while (I was off Misplaced Pages pretty much all last week), I incorrectly assumed that I couldn't have been involved. ] (]) 03:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


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You seem to be saying that caring about Misplaced Pages and wanting to make it better damages my credibility. I don't agree. If someone's ego is bigger than their concern for improving things, it's not my credibility at issue. ] 21:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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This was closed by Jet Engines, a sockpuppet of the user Science3456, the editor currently under debate at DRV. I am unsure whether to merge this debate to the DRV in progress, to start a new one, or whether a noble admin (you) could simply revert the close and close of your own initiative. I leave the matter in your wise hands. I have warned the editor never to close an XfD unless the result is unanimous keep. Probably, this particular user should never close an XfD period (given his history), but I felt that sort of cautioning could only be given to him by an admin. Best wishes, ] 16:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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I undid of yours. As far as I know, every time this has been brought up it has been rejected. See DRV talk. ] ] 07:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


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== An AFD you closed: disputed result ==


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I can completely understand why you would want to disallow the IP address at my college, judging from what the kids here are likely to do to the pages of Misplaced Pages. However, is there not any way of still allowing users who have signed up to edit pages? I can't currently get online at home due to connection problems, so college is the only place I can do anything online right now.<br>
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:Unfortunately, the technology does not now allow us to block anonymous users while allowing signed-in users to continue editing. That was actually a deliberate decision. The thought was that if a vandal really was doing enough damage to Misplaced Pages to deserve blocking, the project needed a way to make sure that the vandal didn't simply create a new ID and resume the vandalism. The assumption at the time was that IP addresses were relatively static and that vandalism would be very rare.


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:Since then, we've discovered that vandalism is not rare and that many of our worst vandals are from AOL and other services which rotate IPs. As far as I know, the design decision about the anonymous blocking policy has never been revisited. It probably should be discussed again. I would recommend sending a message to one of the developers.
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:I usually check the IP ownership before I put on a block of more than a few minutes. I don't remember seeing one lately for a college or university. May I ask what IP you edit from? I'll try to look into the case. If I missed it or made a block for longer than appropriate, I'll try to fix it.
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:In the meantime, another way to control the risk for an IP is to aggressively patrol the contributions made by anonymous users of the IP yourself. You can do that by clicking through the "user contributions" on the IP userpage. If you and the other good editors sharing the IP work to keep the vandalism under control by quickly reverting and noting your actions on the IP's Talk page, there is less reason for admins to feel that intervention is necessary.
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* Phase I of the ] has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including ] (3b) and ] (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as ] (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the ].


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:That's not a great answer. This is a classic problem of the tragedy of the commons. I wish we had better choices but don't know how to do that without abandoning the whole concept of anonymous editing. Good luck.
* Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Misplaced Pages. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. ]


] '''Arbitration'''
:Rossami
* The arbitration case '']'' has been closed.


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I had a horrid time closing this DRV, can you please take a look at it and provide a second opinion. If you disagree with "endorse closure" being the right result, I will most definitely listen to your always wise commentary. ] ] 08:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
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Whoops. I never intended my comments to overcome discussion. I have bad habit deriving from partecipating too many forums. As you probably well know, there in forums comments follows other comments by any user, adding new evidences if new are found, during as discussion advances and grows up.
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* ] of the ] has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in ].
Why does the images gallery only show some images and not all of them, see my main usrpage ] 19:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


] '''Technical news'''
== icon ==
* The ] feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. ]


] '''Arbitration'''
Hi. The reason there was an icon on the {{tl|lang2}} template was because of feedback from users who had the template (and others) placed on the page. They said that an unadorned message all too often got missed if between the time it was placed there and the time they read their messages other messages had been placed there by other users. They made the point to me that templates should have something visual to make them notice it as being different to the other messages. The icon in question is not a warning one (like the hand) but merely a symbol indicating ''please read this''. The resultant feedback was that with its inclusion users were less likely to miss the template. There is no point putting messages on pages if their layout is such that they get confused with ordinary messages and so, like many messages, don't get read. Given that feedback I've reinstated the icon. The complication of the icon, and the bolding at the start, informs users that this is not an ordinary user message but something they should read. It seems to work that way. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 22:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
* The arbitration case '']'' has been closed.
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* WikiProject Reliability's ] is happening in June 2024 to replace {{tl|citation needed}} tags with references! ''']'''
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== Administrators' newsletter – July 2024 ==
== Content review ==


] from the past month (June 2024).
I've signed my post now, so you know who I am. Sorry about all that!
Yeah, so if we can have a content review of Badger Badger Badger Parodies so I can put it on adhocipedia, that'd be good. I accept that it doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages, but that's why adhocipedia was created in the first place. ] 14:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


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I have some objections to your changes to the authorship standards of ]. Could we maybe hammer out some mutually-agreeable alterations on the talk page? -]<sup>]</sup> 15:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


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Please be careful in removing boxes from around some message templates. You are measuring them against the wrong "consistency". The ''request accepted'' and ''request denied'' templates use boxes for a very simple reason. The block they are dealing with, and the request for an unblock are both boxed. It makes logical sense that the formal decision in response is also clearly highlighted. I came across a couple of incidents where the template was used after you removed the box and the message was lost among a plethora of other messages. As it is a formal response to a formal request it needs to stand out on a page, hence the box.
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Similarly the threatwarn box is designed to match a series of boxes all of whom carry the same visual imprint &mdash; white box with clear one line explanation at the top. The series it belongs to follows an identical format because of their series and related content. Removing the box and the headline undermines the seriousness of the message and makes it just another message. Serious messages ''have'' to have a strong visual element to communicate effectively. Otherwise either their seriousness is not grasped or on a busy page the message gets drowned out with other messages, meaning that the user mightn't see it and get themselves blocked.
* Local administrators can now add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without using JavaScript. ] on MediaWiki. ({{phab|T6086}})


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The designs are carefully formulated to achieve maximum effect where necessary. Your "consistency" changes on occasions completely undermine the template and on some occasions make the template all but useless. If a box is placed somewhere it is usually for a specific reason, not a design fad. Please check with those of us working on templates before unilaterally changing a box to a design that may have been rejected because of its ineffectiveness with specific messages. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 23:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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Hi there. I've added a comment to the discussion ] about Wiki-linking from quotes. As someone who has posted to this discussion, I'd appreciate any comments you might have. Thanks. ] 19:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


] from the past month (July 2024).
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Hi Rossami, I saw you deleted and protected SCL again. The DRV situation also noted that a recreation of new, verifiable information wasn't out of the question, and I went to ] directly to get it dealt with, including linking him to a rewritten version prior to his unprotecting and allowing me to recreate it. If I missed a step here, let me know, but the speedy was due to it being non-notable and a no-context stub, the version you deleted doesn't fit the recreation speedy, and is in fact substantially different. Please reconsider. --] <small>]</small> 21:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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:Take whatever time you need. , with references galore. I requested that Shane userfy the info on IRC, and he did so , where I realized it was a non-context stub and began the rewrite. Let me know what else I can add. --] <small>]</small> 21:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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The template is {{tl|Indefblockeduser}} - it's not a typical user talk message, but we're chasing a serial vandal right now. This isn't a user who's going to come back and get unblocked. (])<sup>(])</sup> 05:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for helping me with the serial vandal that attacked my user page.] 05:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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==]/2001: A Space Odyssey (film synopsis)==
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You wrote:
* ] may now target accounts as well as IP's. Administrators may ] when appropriate.
* Users wishing to permanently leave may now request "vanishing" via ]. Processed requests will result in the user being renamed, their recovery email being removed, and their account being globally locked.


] '''Arbitration'''
* '''Endorse closure''' (keep deleted). This level of detail is clearly inappropriate in an encyclopedia. The closing admin was within reasonable discretion when closing the discussion and clearly articulated why the straight vote-count was overruled. Note: I have no objection to a temporary undeletion for the purposes of a ] to ]. ] <small>]</small> 05:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
* The Arbitration Committee ] the following administrators to the ]: {{noping|Bilby}}, {{noping|Extraordinary Writ}}


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== Administrators' newsletter – September 2024 ==
I just want you to know; just as ''the powers that be'' haven't changed their minds, neither have I. I still insist that this is a '''wrong''' decision. I branched the ] article from the main film article in an act of ]. This was the work of ''many'' and not any single individual. This user thinks ] is the best science fiction film ever made; and a 196-word synopsis just does not do the film justice. -- ] 12:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC) <sup>]</sup>


] from the past month (August 2024).
==R unprintworthy==
It is for redirects that don't make sense in print or some other webpages, such as ] to ] and ] to ] and the various WP: (and other) shortcuts. It is used for the same reason as {{]}}, so mirrors and others can easily remove things that do not apply. R from shortcut might be more appliciable (which is a subcat of unprintworthy), but I don't think it really matters. It should be on ] if it isn't going to redirect to a valid article (or a dab page). ] 04:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


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I picked a sentence at random, put it into Google, and found that paragraph on another site. Of course, now I can't find the sentence. &mdash; <small>]] &bull; 2006-06-20 23:55</small>


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I'm very leary of waves of pseudo-bot edits, and am especially wary of them being used in the midst of a debate. What is your feeling on this? <br/>]<span class="plainlinks"> </span> 05:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:I hate split discussions, so I'll reply on my talk. - ]<span class="plainlinks"> </span> 05:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


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The "rule" isn't an actual policy (though it is a guideline, see ]), it's just what everyone citing IAR is referring to. --] 05:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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It was bad enough that, for some days, a challenge to this deletion was entertained. This quibbling is not good. It died and its death should not be mourned. The page should have been throttled at birth, and failing that, the deletion review should have been killed. This was a pure troll. --] 03:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


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== Be bold et al ==
* Following an ], there is a new ]: ], which {{tq|applies to unused maintenance categories, such as empty dated maintenance categories for dates in the past}}.
* A ] is open to discuss whether ] should be adopted as a ].


] '''Arbitration'''
Stop referring to a single mythical DRV as if that settles the issue once and for all and anything that goes against that is invalid. The fact is, as you can plainly see, a lot of experienced users with views quite different than the DRV have now stepped forward once they realized what a monumentally stupid decision was made. You can't keep referring back to the DRV to continue the reverting, because there are no binding decisions, and in this case, there is no reason to ignore policy and keep that cross-namespace redirect. The DRV actually wasn't even conducted properly and is invalid if you want to really process-wonk it, because DRV only deals with whether a page is kept or deleted, ''not'' what that page redirects to. The correct forum for this discussion would have been RFD (which actually already took place) or on the talk page of the redirect. --] 00:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
* Following a ], ] (the topic and interaction bans on ], respectively) were repealed.
* ] of the ] ("{{noping|Cinderella157}} German history topic ban") was ] for a period of six months.
* The arbitration case ] is currently open. Proposed decision is expected by 3 September 2024 for this case.


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Are you daft? Why in the world do you think that the deleteniks at DRV are capable of forming a consensus to override such a well-grounded policy as the one against cross-namespace redirects? Please, dude, stop acting like you got your brain at a K-Mart blue light special sale! ] (]) 01:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
* Editors can now enter into ], an alternative for informal '']'' arrangements, to have a ] reviewed in return for reviewing a different editor's nomination.
:Wow. ''"...brain at a K-Mart blue light special sale"''... When did ] stop being official policy? ] ] 07:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
* A ] is happening in September 2024 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the ]. Currently, there is a backlog of over 13,900 articles and 26,200 redirects awaiting review. ]
::About the time that it became popular with the "mutual admiration society" faction of Misplaced Pages to interpret it to mean "criticism of anyone's actions is incivil". ] (]) 11:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::: ], thanks for your support but ] on my account. ] <small>]</small>
:::: Implying that I am a troll is uncivil. You just lost the high ground. ] (]) 18:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
::::: You mistake me. I am not implying anything. ] <small>]</small> 18:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me like everyone needs a slice of Strawberry Civility Pie. --] 18:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

==Jesse B. Davis==
My sources was a book sources. How about this:]<sup> ]</sup> 05:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


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::In Central High School in ], ], Jesse B. Davis worked as a guidance counselor for 11th grade boys and girls from ] to ]. Davis' primary duties involved educational and ]. In 1907, he became ] of another ] in ], ], and required all seventh-grade students to write a weekly report on occupational interests for thier English class. The students would related vocational interests to curriculum subjects. Furthermore, he encouraged English teachers to use lessons and compositions to develop ], help students avoid behavioral problems, and get along with others. From 1914 to 1916, served as president of the ]. Today, English ] and ] classes are still used to help students learn about occupational interests, decision-making, and research.


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::*http://www.bamaed.ua.edu/counselor-ed/BCE511/classnotes/wk2bac.511.ppt
::*http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KOC/is_2_7/ai_112905222
::*Schmidt, J.J. (2003) ''Counseling in schools: essential services and comprehensive programs''. 4th ed. Boston: Allyn and Bacon
::*Studer, J.R. (2005). ''The professional school counselor: An advocate for students'' Belmont, CA: Thomson Brooks/Cole
::*Zunker, V.G. (2002). ''Career counseling: Applied concepts of life planning''. 6th ed. Pacific Grove, CA: Brooks/Cole
::*Brewer, J.M. (1918). The Vocational Guidance Movement. New York: Macmillan.
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I think it is bad faith to delete a namespace and not even mention it to the wikipedian who started. Jesse B. Davis at face value seemed notable, and the patroler should have at least asked for more information.]<sup> ]</sup> 07:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


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==PayPal==
Regarding this edit, "a subsidiary bank president is not necessarily a "key person" and may not meet the criteria of WP:BIO" he's cited as the company's president, and not as a bank president because PayPal isn't a bank. Isn't that key enough? Subsidiary or not, doesn't being president of the company qualify you as a key person? For future reference, is there a guideline for this? (I didn't find a rule applicable from the Notability page). Thanks, ] 03:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks for your response. I defer to your opinion, though I still disagree. Why I disagree is trifle; I defer because I don't like to argue. I see your point of view and I hope the situation is resolved. Sorry if I sound lazy or passively indignant (though you'd be right on the first). -] 10:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
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'''''Rossami wrote:'''''
*] are a proposed new process for selecting administrators, offering an alternative to ] (RfA). The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with ] from October 8 to 14, a ] from October 22 to 24, and ] from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at ].
* Following ], the speedy deletion reason "File pages without a corresponding file" has been moved from criterion ] to ]. This does not change what can be speedily deleted.
* A ] is open to discuss whether there is a consensus to have an ] process.


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:''Please stop. There is no policy-level decision that unambiguous cross-namespace redirects of this nature are inherently bad. (If there is such a decision and I'm just not aware of it, I would ask you to please point me to that decision.) The redirect you are currently working on is, based on my own review, only used in the Talk space and is universally used in a context such that no user following it would reasonably expect to see an encyclopedia article.''
* The arbitration case '']'' has been closed.
* An arbitration case regarding ] has been opened.
* Editors are invited to ''']''' to serve on the 2024 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission until ''23:59 October 8, 2024 (UTC)''.


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:''Per ], your automated edits are throwing a burden onto the system for no benefit. In addition to the system burden, your edits are triggering the watchlists of hundreds of users. It's not an efficient use of anybody's time.''
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== Administrators' newsletter – November 2024 ==
Apologies for any ruined watchlists that have resulted from my actions. Per your request, I have stopped bypassing cross-namespace redirects, and I will not resume doing so for the time being. If suitable changes to the policies/guidelines are made, then I will resume with this account; I may also set up a bot account to continue the work of ] (] • ]), whose owner, ] (] • ]), is currently on a two-month wikibreak.


] from the past month (October 2024).
While I accept that this is a slightly controversial issue, I think that with the level of activity Misplaced Pages has these days, the load on the system is negligible (nobody complained when I made 13,000 typo-fixing edits at a similar speed, though a few suggested I should use a bot account).


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If you believe these redirects should be left in place, I suggest you discuss the issue with Rory096 and {{user|Cyde}}, among others. I have no stance on the issue, merely a desire to get things done. (See the last item on Rory096's talk page; I was simply responding to a request made in his absence).


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:''By the way, what template did you use when you added Rory's username on my page? I've often wanted to easily link to a user's contribution history. That would be very helpful in some of the vandalism watch work. The {{]}} tag is helpful but sometimes overkill. Thanks again for your note. ] <small>]</small>''
* Following a ], the ] proposal that went for a trial to refine the ] (RfA) process has been discontinued.
* Following a ], ] is adopted as a policy.


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I used <tt>{{]|Name}}</tt>, which expands to ] (] • ]); you can also use <tt>{{]|Name}}</tt> for administrators, which gives <span class="plainlinks">] (] • ] • <font color="002bb8"></font> • <font color="002bb8"></font> • <font color="002bb8"></font> • <font color="002bb8"></font>)</span>. – ] 10:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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You may delete user:whicky1978/temp. I prefer to create/edit articles directly, even if they are short stubs, becaue I don't want to create alot of user subpages, and lose track of them. So I prefer to create pages like Jessee B. Davis, and then add to them. I worked on ] a little at a time.]<sup> ]</sup> 23:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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I have no objection, of course, but I am a bit confused: isn't the page's history fully documented (including the move and the original location of the article) at the moved-to article? Although nae'blis makes a very good point at the RfD that renders my speedy wrong in any case, I don't understand what valuable history needs keeping at the old location. Please help this dumbie! Best wishes, ] 23:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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] from the past month (December 2024).
I have responded to quite a few of your recommendations at ]. I don't want you to feel like I'm picking on you, but I believe your rationale has been wrong on quite a few occasions.
#Page Move History: If a page has been properly moved, then the edit history of the page is moved along with the page. The history of who moved it is also shown at the new name. There is no GFDL violation caused by deleting the original title.
#Contribution History: While contribution history has to be kept, many redirects are created by replacing the original content with a redirect and not by merging content into the target article. This happens often when someone feels a topic is not suitable for its own article. In those cases, there is no contribution history that needs to be saved.
If you feel that it's worthwhile keeping these two cases, I can respect that opinion. However, if you keep saying it's a requirement to keep these two cases, I'm going to keep contradicting you. As such, I thought I'd mention it here as I don't want you thinking it's personal. Thanks! --] 01:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for taking the time for providing a detailed explanation. You gave me something to think about. While you make good points, I think you are more conservative then needed.
:#Page Move History: I'll admit that I wasn't aware that previous versions did not record page moves. I'm not sure that is something that applied to the current nominations, but it is something that I will definitely keep in mind.
:#Contribution History: Content can be copied from any article to any other article without it being stated. This is a problem for all deletion cases, not just redirects. I think the risk is manageable. For example, the redirects to ] currently listed at RFD all consist of text from the actual book. Source materials are not part of Misplaced Pages and the content is not bound by the GFDL as the original contributor can not claim rights to it. In this instance, it's a public domain work, but such cases could be copyvios also.
:#Original Author: You make a good point. However, part of bringing them into the fold is getting them informed about how we name articles and what we consider valid subjects. Keeping some of these redirects around forever doesn't help that in my opinion. To go back to the The Origin of Species ones, the original articles were created in 2001. I think that is long enough for the person to have caught on that they were redirected.
:One of problems I have with these types of redirects is the clutter caused in the search results. If we had a better search engine, we'd be better off, but we don't. Perhaps a variation on the ] that was suggested for article deletions could help. For example, if {{tl|R unprintworthy}} (or some variation of) caused the redirect to not show up in search results or in Special:Allpages that would help. --] 14:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


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Could I perhaps convince you to write a short essay and link to it when calling for a keep for cross namespace redirects? Considering individual discussions and not your history on RfD in general, which is what some who view the RfDs may do, your comments do not hold much water without further explaination and I don't want to repeatedly ask you to explain yourself anymore than you want to reply when I do it. The essay might for instance explain why cross-namespace redirects are a justified violation of ] and in what instances this applies to.
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As someone who frequently opposes your sentiments on RfD, I ''really'' think you should write the essay and link it when voting "''keep despite CNR''" as a way of solidifying your arguement. This would be of benefit to the RfD process. On the other hand, my encouragement for you to test the reform waters for the self-ref guideline is just that: encouragement. I do not mean to insist you do this to justify or prove your opinion on the guidelines. Anyways, let me finish by saying that I appreciate your differing views on RfD; I do not mean to chastise you or anything like that. I know that sometimes it is easy to misinterpret someone's intent when conversing through text alone. Feel free to ask me a question if I don't make any sense. Thanks! ]<sub>]</sub> 00:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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I figured I'd bring this here to avoid cluttering up the main talk page. Interest in the US is not capitalized in ANY bank, because it's a very grey line in terms of legality. Most credit card companies capitalize monthly (both rates and fees) but the monthly minimum payment structure of the loan essentially wipes out this capitalization effect (some CC companies, in calculating APR, assume that there will be a 10 day capitalization effect caused by the lag time in payments... This is NOT universal). I am not an expert on the UK regulatory or banking rules so I won't pretend to understand the nuanced differences. But I can say with a pretty fair degree of certainty that 99.9% of consumer loans (the only field for which APR has any regulatory or legal meaning) in the US show differences in APR vs. Note Rate only because of fees and costs. Sorry about the interspersing of comments... it made more sense that way (i thought) but I understand your point... --] 15:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


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I'm curious to know why you think that ] is an inappropriate redirect for ]. Thats ''exactly'' what "fauxtography" refers to. "Fauxtography" is the blogosphere's name for the specific controversies described in ]; that article's awkward title is somebody's attempt to come up with an ] term. Redirecting ] to ] is exactly analogous to redirecting ] to ]. Somebody's recreated the deleted article as a redirect to ] which I believe is ''not'' appropriate, any more than it'd be appropriate to redirect ] to ]. I'd like to restore the redirect to where it originally pointed but wanted to run it by you first. ] 14:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


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Do you really think that a plot summary is not essential for an article on a work of fiction? And do you really think that an article that is just a plot summary should be deleted, rather than improved (in that case, what about something like ] ? The bulk of the content is a plot summary, the rest is just standard introductory and contextual fluff)? --] | ] 02:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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:Beyond question, I disagree. In fact, in some cases an "article" that contains nothing more than plot summary may even be speedy-deletable as a copyright violation. Could it be improved? Perhaps. But only be adding enough context that the plot summary again falls under the fair use criterion. And for a short article, that can mean slashing the plot summary down to a single sentence. (Bear in mind that a short article is all that some books deserve. This rule applies to more than just the works of Shakespeare.)
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: And, yes, I think that there are some excellent articles about works of fiction which do not have plot summaries at all. If I want to know the plot of a book, I'll read it. I don't need or want it spoon-fed to me. The only reason I would look up a work of fiction in an encyclopedia is to understand all the things that I couldn't understand from reading or watching it - the context, historical effects, connections with other works, etc. ] <small>]</small> 10:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Rossami, I see that you redeleted this page. For the record, did you check the ? Xoloz restored the page for ArbCom evidence purposes on August 27, and I just want to have it cleared that this reason is no longer in effect. ] ] 07:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
:No, I missed that. My apologies. Should I undelete? Is the investigation still on-going? ] <small>]</small> 13:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
::I'm not sure if the history for E.D. is still needed, but ] (I think that is the relevant one) is still ongoing and in the evidence/workshop phase. ] ] 13:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, you may want to undelete it until the arbcom is finished.--] 20:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
:::: Done. Apologies. ] <small>]</small> 20:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Pseudonymous editing ==

:''copied from an email received offline''
Hi,

I'm not quite sure how this works, but your wrote in my deletion review, "you say that your name and address are available, but your contributions to Misplaced Pages are pseudonymous."

Does this mean I hadn't registered? I did so last night, and not under a pseudonym as most people have. I always use my real name in signatures.

And I don't know how to post to your talk page because there appears to be no "post" link.

Thanks,
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
bathory@bathory.org
bathory@maltedmedia.com

:Thanks for your message but I think perhaps my meaning was still unclear. Whether you register or not doesn't really matter since anyone can register under any name. I could go online and register a Misplaced Pages account as George W. Bush (at least, if it's not already taken). Misplaced Pages has no means to authenticate your identity independently. All that we know - all that we ''can'' know - is what you choose to claim about yourself.

:That's what I meant by pseudonymously - any registration, even if you say that it's your real name, is technically a pseudonym. It is not independently verified against some external identity database. And for the most part, that works out very well on Misplaced Pages. We want users and editors to establish themselves through their actions and to demonstrate their expertise through their edits, not by making claims to outside credentials.

:By the way, anyone could also register as Dennis Bathory-Kitzs. That trivial misspelling would be easily overlooked by readers but would still be accepted by the system. Such a person could sign their name the same way you do, attempt to mimic your pattern of speech (well, writing really) and make subtle edits just to discredit you. That, in fact, is a real problem for established editors of Misplaced Pages. When we find usernames that are suspiciously similar to established users, we look very carefully for signs of vandalism or deceit. Users who appear to have done something like that on purpose are generally banned from Misplaced Pages. But those are all manual checks. There is no system that can automatically detect or prevent it.

:Likewise, no one can inherently trust the email address. The way internet domains are set up, anyone could register bathory.org and create any email name they wanted. Like Misplaced Pages accounts, emails and internet domains are unverified against any external identity authority. And that's before you consider the problems of email spoofing and forgery - both of which are far easier and common today than any of us would like to admit.

:Most people are honest. But there are enough dishonest people out there that we have to build our systems and our procedures in such a way that it doesn't matter whether they are telling the truth about their identity or not. That's why Misplaced Pages has a policy against original research (which we mean as "a contribution or assertion based on personal experience") and why we never rely solely on self-published materials and why we bias our policy so strongly in favor of reliable sources such as websites owned by and operated by large, well-known organizations - organizations with both a vested interest in and the resources to find and stop spoofing.

:Sorry to bore you with all this but my non-Misplaced Pages profession is information security. The inherent problems of identity management and authentication occupy much of my waking hours. How can a bank know that you're really you? And how far can that trust be extended? Under what conditions can an assertion be treated as reliable? How do we balance that against the need to make systems and computers easy and accessible. Unfortunately, there are no easy answers short of establishing a national identity database - something which would be in great tension with my role as a privacy advocate.

:Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now. Thanks for your message.

:To post to my Talk page, just go to the page and edit it like you would edit any page on Misplaced Pages. The most common technique is to use the little plus sign next to the "edit this page" tab at the top. That will automatically create a new section and give you a line to create a section header without having to know the wiki-markup symbols. You should also get in the habit of signing your posts on Talk pages. You can do that easily by ending your comment with four tildes (<tt><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></tt>). When you save the page, the MediaWiki software will replace the tildes with your username and the date-timestamp.

:Again, welcome to Misplaced Pages. ] <small>]</small> 20:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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There is a large backlog of discussions at RfD awaiting closing, some outstanding for over a month. I cannot close any of the discussions from 6 June or earlier (and probably some later than that too), so if you have the time it would be very helpful if you could help reduce the backlog. Thank you, Thryduulf (talk) 11:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

The backlog has now been cleared, thank you very much for your help. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Centoctgesimal courtesy RfD

Thanks Rossami, for creating these RfD and notifying me. I added my two cent(octgesimal)s worth. Thank you also for your time invested in clean-up and maintenance of wikipedia. Bcharles (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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Huh. I had no idea how much time had gone by. I'll try to find time to return. Rossami (talk) 05:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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Template talk:Short pages monitor

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Masterbates

Would you mind recounting here. Does this close relate to this comment Legacypac (talk) 05:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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I kinda owe you an apology not because Misplaced Pages says so but because I say so

Rossami,

In the last few days I have been hitting your arguments for keeping things pretty hard over at WP:RfD. Please believe me that this is in no way anything personal and I see the good work you do and all the contributions you make, it just happens to be a run of bad luck for both of us that we are on opposing sides on every argument.

I have tried to make it not look like any kind of personal attack, which it certainly isn't, attacking your argument not you personally. However, if it has ever seemed like that, I can only and sincerely apologise.

I would hope if we ever met in person we would both also argue vigorously while sharing a bottle of wine or whatever is your fancy.

I can assure you once again it is not a personal attack over at RfD and nobody - not a single person or an admin or anything - has warned me, but I can see how it might look like it. I have made a similar but less personal apology over at RfD but felt I should do so here. Thanks for leaving the message on my user talk page, that kinda broke the ice. Si Trew (talk) 06:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

"...Re"

Hi Rossami, I think you should reconsider what happened at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 17#...Re. While I certainly think you're right that there wasn't consensus either way there, there was almost unanimous consensus at the RM that ...Re was ambiguous, so it really should've been retargeted at that point. Taking these discussions together, it seems clear that, while this may well be discussed more in the future, the term needs to be treated as ambiguous. (FWIW, I probably would've supported the RM.) --BDD (talk) 14:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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