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Might come back when "they" stop EATING THE DOGS, EATING THE CATS, EATING THE PETS... Poor old Springfield. ] <small>(])</small> 15:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
==9 March==
*{{U|Stephen}} - queue 4 - " can be demolished" is not suitable in tone, the article doesn't use this phrasing. In fact, the article puts it much better: "The larvae from a single egg cluster can destroy a whole cabbage or cauliflower plant". ] (]) 08:36, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Devoured. Rewording involved too much repetition. ]]
*{{U|Stephen}} - queue 4 - "in Aurora, Colorado was" comma needed after Colorado. ] (]) 08:37, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Can't find this one? ]] 09:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Weird, it's now in queue 2, with a comma... ] (]) 09:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Ah, it was a duplicate, removed less than an hour ago... But {{U|The ed17}} left the approved set (queue 4) one hook down. ] (]) 09:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::]. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 18:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::I was stating a fact. And trying to fix the problem left behind. ] (]) 19:57, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::So why did you ping me? ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 06:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Stephen}} - queue 5 - "Pangolins are believed to be the world's most trafficked mammal" in the article. The hook has lost the "believed to be".... ] (]) 08:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Added, but no idea how to pull a hook. ]] 09:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*:Incidentally, there are a number of unreferened paragraphs in that article, it's reasonable to pull it as containing too much unverifiable information (i.e. it could easily be tagged with {{tl|ref improve}}). ] (]) 09:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Stephen}} - queue 5 - " whom he was coincidentally seated near on a flight" I can't access the source, but is this meant to imply that the good impression and his selection came as a result of the seating arrangements rather than Almon's performance in the trials? ] (]) 09:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::I agree with TRM that this bit of information is dubious in a living person bio, implying as it does that there was some impropriety in his draft procedure. ] (]) 09:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::It may need to be reported at ERRORS or at WT:DYK as Stephen isn't comfortable pulling the hook. ] (]) 09:34, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::I've pulled it and turned queue 5 back into prep 5, as I don't have the time to find another hook at the moment, and this lets anyone, not just an admin do it. ] <sup>]</sup> 09:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::I will do something in due course. ] (]) 09:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{U|Harrias}} thanks! ] (]) 09:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - queue 5 - ] there's a dab link (]) in there. ] (]) 09:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Done. ] (]) 09:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - prep 1 - "that biologist Nessa Carey" should be "the biologist" to avoid false title. ] (]) 09:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Done. ] (]) 09:37, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - prep 6 - "that Snugburys, a UK ice cream " we don't say that, "a British ice cream...." is BritEng. ] (]) 09:34, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Done. ] (]) 09:37, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - prep 6 - I was going to suggest linking ] (which appears to be capitalised in our encyclopedia and not in the hook or target article), but it's unreferenced. In any case I'd link ] as most non-Brits would not know what this national competition was all about. ] (]) 10:06, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*:{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} please let {{U|Maile66}} that we had this discussion and it was fixed 12 hours before their complaint. Please let them know that I had the same complaint as they did, and we both resolved it 12 hours ago. Thanks. ] (]) 20:45, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - prep 6 - Snugbury hook again, strictly it's not "straw and steel" it's steel-reinforced straw, and as such the hook and caption need to be clarified. ] (]) 10:07, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Both done. ] (]) 10:17, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - prep 6 - it's definitely worth considering linking North Rhodesia or Rhodesia here as most of our readers will not know where it is/was. ] (]) 10:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{U|Cwmhiraeth}} - prep 6 - "are a husband-and-wife pair?" what's wrong with "are husband and wife" or "are married"? ] (]) 10:55, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Done both. I could link Northern Rhodesia as well but perhaps that would be overlinking. ] (]) 11:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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*{{U|Maile66}} saying " there is absolutely nothing in the article or hook that tells you this is a UK match" is absolutely incorrect. It states clearly that it's an ] match in both. ] (]) 13:23, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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*:{{U|Maile66}} but it had been fixed before your initial complaint, as a result of the conversation here between me and Cwmhiraerth. ] (]) 20:38, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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*{{U|Softlavender}} , that's not true at all. I don't suffer fools gladly, but I also don't like the fact that an admin has been completely let off for calling me a prick, and an asshole and tell me "fuck you". I ''never'' resorted to those absolute and overt personal attacks. I had also attempted to place many of those comments initially raised into some kind of context, but all I'm hearing back from some quarters is that I'm wrong. Oddly I'm hearing in some numbers that I'm not wrong. But that's the nature of the subjective Arbcom sanction. I've never said that admins are "admins are 100% of the problem", diff for that direct quote please. In fact, as we have so few admins, they are very seldom the problem, but when they are ''part of the problem'', fellow admins shouldn't be ignoring it. ] (]) 14:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::Now you are proving what you were attempting to refute: "{{xt| ... TRM keeps harping ad nauseum on "]" and "admins are 100% of the problem" , despite numerous good-faith pleas and admonishments to stop and to take responsibility}}". You cannot refrain from sniping at admins, and you cannot refrain from blaming others. Please re-read ]. If you have a possibly sanctionable complaint about another editor(s), take it to an appropriate noticeboard or their talk page (when you are unblocked). At this point I think you are starting to alienate even those who are or were or might have been in favor of unblocking or reducing the block. ] (]) 14:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::This is clever. Attack a guy (repeatedly, endlessly, and then when he defends himself tell him he's to blame for 'harping on ad nauseam'. How about leaving him alone and then see how much he's harping? --] (]) <small>Become ]</small> 14:53, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I have never attacked TRM (much less "repeatedly, endlessly"), and if you do not think this opening sally today was perpetuating the behavior ad nauseum despite numerous good-faith pleas and admonishments to stop and to take responsibility, then that's fine, we can agree to disagree. ] (]) 15:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Clever and unfortunate. Softlavender is '''well aware''' of the personal attacks directed towards me yet continues to do absolutely nothing. I suggest you stop making up quotes of mine, thanks. ] (]) 15:00, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I have never made up quotes of yours (and when I do actually quote somebody, I always supply diffs unless my reply is directly below their statement). I am not interested taking actions that you need to take but which you avoid taking in favor of blaming others. ] (]) 15:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I can see that there are several people who are happy to allow, even enable, certain individuals to make numerous personal attacks without addressing them. That you feel the need for me to take action in this regard is testimony to the bureaucracy that these kinds of situations inevitably devolve into instead of actively taking real and responsible action. ] (]) 15:45, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::I am not responsible for the actions of others. I have never enabled anybody (with the possible exception of one senior editor who was reported at ANI, but when my apparent enabling was pointed out to me I abruptly stopped). People are responsible for their own actions. If you feel strongly about the behavior of others, it is your responsibility to address that, in an appropriate venue. ] (]) 16:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::No, you're an admin. You should take appropriate action against people who personally attack normal editors, part of admin responsibility. ] (]) 16:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::<small>Er, at the risk of stepping on toes, but Softlavender is an admin. ] (], ]) 16:22, 9 March 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::::::::::Whoops, then they have no responsibility whatsoever to do anything about these personal attacks. My error, apologies. ] (]) 16:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::No worries, TRM. Yet even if I were an admin, the responsibility for your own grievances lies with you. ] (]) 17:17, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you, I will have to agree to disagree. Admins are responsible for protecting others from egregious personal attacks, especially from other admins. This "in the club" thing is too much. ] (]) 20:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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{{U|Hut 8.5}} "I don't think the root cause of this issue is the remedy being ambiguous or unclear", me neither, it's not the "root cause" by any means, but trying to solve a problem by applying a messy, subjective, woolly filter on top is by far from ideal. I did state this way back, that one man's "belittling"/"bullying" is another man's "whatever", and as such, the sanction was always open to interpretation/abuse. Nothing doing. Anyway, just wanted to let you know this isn't news, it's olds. ] (]) 21:32, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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:{{U|Hut 8.5}} " It looks like he's keen on the idea of clarifying the restriction because he thinks it's being abused rather than because he doesn't understand it." sorry, I '''always understood it''' and '''I always knew it was nonsense'''. Please don't ever think I didn't understand it. What I didn't understand was why so many learned individuals ("Arbcom") thought the wording of it was appropriate. I '''always thought''' it could be interpreted entirely subjectively, i.e. it wasn't objective. Whether it was "abused" or not is a different discussion entirely. ] (]) 22:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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{{U|MLauba}} "Otherwise, quite frankly, the best thing to spare you another year of increased disenchantment and pile-ons is to scramble your password and walk away. This is either your last AE, or the beginning of the end. " really? really? Remind me to not ever vote for you as a councillor or at Arbcom! I'm fine with all of Misplaced Pages and it's castes. I'll keep going and making sure it's in a good state until some bans me or indef blocks me. I'm not walking away, that's stupid and counter-productive for the project - I make more positive mainspace contributions in a day than most of the people involved in this discussion make in a year. ] (]) 23:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, you do, but you are also a target to the many enemies you have made over the years, who will not give you an inch. The point you're missing is that if you let resentment and bitterness continue eating at you, such as evidenced in your last couple of posts here, the coming year is going to be a succession of further indignities that will kill away the last ounce of joy and pride you had for your contributions by the time you get banned.
:I don't believe we ever interacted even during my short active period, but I became first aware of you when you laid down your crat bit in the context of the date delinking case. I found that admirable back in the day - when I passed my RfA later that same year, I always set myself a principle that should a case be opened in which I'm a party, I'd lay down the tools immediately, based on your example. If you can change, do. If you can't, the 2009 TRM knew to walk away from a problem on his own terms. That's all I'm saying (and I'm not standing for any further elections, thank you). Anyway, I've overstayed my welcome here, or any value I could add to this. Good bye. ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 23:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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Hello all. How's about this: I'll place a self-imposed limit of one response to any editor with whom there is any disagreement. That response will be neither "belittling" nor "bullying" but will inform the editor that I will not be continuing with the disagreement. I believe that wording and its interpretation is still highly subjective and any such commons need context, but that didn't seem necessarily the way the enforcement was conducted. However, a limitation on my interactions with editors with whom I may be in disagreement seems a good place to start. It's my pledge that a lot of the scenarios which were brought up will not occur again. ] (]) 15:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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{{U|Dweller}}, maybe you could direct those admins at the AE page who think I'm adamantly adamant that nothing will change when I recommence editing to this? ] (]) 15:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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::I think it's a good compromise, I'm pretty sure none of those diffs cited by The ed17 are first responses so it should really curtail anything that way inclined. And then we'll need to take a look at the personal attacks on me which have gone completely unaddressed. ] (]) 15:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Just make sure you don't harp on about the proposal ad nauseam, or you'll be blocked for 6 months. --] (]) <small>Become ]</small> 15:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I don't understand the bit where they say "obviously not a quote" when it's "obviously a quote" because "it's in quote marks". There aren't even any supporting diffs. If the shoe was on the foot, it'd be struck or the jury would be told to "not take it into account" as unverifiable. Never mind. Let's see how much good faith can be applied to my suggestion. ] (]) 15:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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{{U|MLauba }} I don't really understand the logic there. I'll get unblocked ''at some point'' and if I don't try this, then I'll get reblocked at some point thereafter. I guess the point is whether it reduces the block length or not, it's worth a go. I'd sooner sit out the whole block than be prevented from working on reducing the errors that go to the main page, so no, I don't want a topic ban. ] (]) 15:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:The topic ban is not on the table anyway, as it would require another run at ARCA, it was more of me musing whether removing you from a high stakes / high stress environment for a while would provide a way forward. I understand that you are passionate about the quality of the main page, but I'm not currently seeing a good solution that will not bring you back to AE within weeks of your unblock. I was actually considering reversing my vote for reducing the block length since yesterday. I'd be delighted to get reassurances that this would be wrong on my part. That being said, I understand you owe me nothing, and my one voice won't sway the current consensus anyway. ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 17:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::No, my most recent 20 or 30 thousand contributions have been focused on keeping errors off the main page. That's what I do. If I eventually do it so badly that I am banned from Misplaced Pages, I'll only have myself to blame. Of course you're entitled to change your mind, you don't need to explain that to me. I can see how the trend is heading. ] (]) 19:13, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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I made a suggestion at ]. I'd like your feedback as to whether or not that would be something you'd be willing to go for. Clarifying what "insulting or belittling" means would seem to help you better understand what you can and can not do (something that many of the admins commenting correctly identify as a problem), and making it less vague would have the added bonus of cutting down on the vagueness being abusively used as a weapon against you. If it works on a voluntary basis, ARCA might be willing to formalize it. What say you? <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 18:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
*{{Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Participant15|Hey man im josh}} wins the featured list prize for 23 FLs overall.
:Clarification/rewording would good; Sandstein admitted that he took no context into account when making the one-month block based on those diffs. There's a stark difference, even in admins here, in the interpretation of those diffs: they vary from "well a one-month block is well deserved" to "nothing to see here" which demonstrates that the initial sanction was very poorly worded. I would certainly be interested in investigating that. ] (]) 19:13, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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But actually, this is all in vain if ]'s chilling threat that anyone changing the block duration would be subject to sanctions. I'm confused, perhaps the blocking admin would be able to expand on why it was a month, why he hasn't responded to others (per ADMINACCT) and why anyone modifying the block duration would be subject to their own set of sanctions? ] (]) 20:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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:Sandstein's threat is an empty one, and I ignored it. AE sanctions that are overturned '''out of process''' are subject to sanctions. However, right now we're following the exact process laid out. Even if Sandstein declines to overturn, it can still be done by consensus of uninvolved admins. And that does not necessarily require unanimity. By my count, there are currently 9 uninvolved admins who endorsed shortening the block with no other conditions, and 6 who wanted to keep it at one month. One of those six has already said they would be agreeable to either your proposal or mine. Of course numbers are not everything, as you well know from your time as an admin, but I do think we're moving in the right direction towards solving the root cause of the trouble you've been having (rather than just this latest iteration of it). Most of the others who wanted to keep it cited your lack of understanding what was not acceptable, so clarifying it should go a long way towards demonstrating to them that the block is no longer necessary. <small>On another note, the way you politely disagreed with Softlavender just now is exactly the right way to do so, and I'm encouraged by that.</small> <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">]</span><sup>]</sup> 20:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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::Well, I'll not break the terms of my Arbcom sanctions ever again. And if I do, I expect to be banned from the project! ] (]) 23:03, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


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Look how the mighty have fallen. Once an admin, now a disgraced and blocked editor. How does it feel to be brought down a peg, hmm? ] (]) 17:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:It feels pretty crap, but not for the reasons you've posted. I couldn't care less about being an admin or a 'crat. Being "brought down a peg", well that comes with the territory. It's fine, things like this remind me of cop shows where a really successful and good-looking cop ends up wrongly imprisoned, surrounded by his former foe. Regardless of their intimidation tactics, he wins out. As for "how the might have fallen", nice literature glance, but I'd hardly consider admins to be "mighty", something of the opposite in reality. I do appreciate your comments, it's no surprise that you're hiding by an anonymous IP, but thanks for everything you've done to improve Misplaced Pages! ] (]) 22:57, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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::::::]. I don't know about astral bodies, but some editors are rays of sunshine, others, not so much. The problem is, we need to deal with all of them, and sometimes, suffer fools, gladly or no. ] (]) 23:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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*{{U|Howcheng}} - tomorrow - ] the article says it was yesterday, not tomorrow. ] (]) 08:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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*{{U|Howcheng}} - tomorrow - the Royal assent hook is referenced in the article "No monarch has since withheld royal assent on a bill passed by the British parliament." but is dated to 2002, so it's not covering the last 15 years. ] (]) 08:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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Welcome to the 2025 WikiCup!

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For the 2025 WikiCup, we've implemented several changes to the scoring system. The highest-ranking contestants will now receive tournament points at the end of each round, and final rankings are decided by the number of tournament points each contestant has. If you're busy and can't sign up in January, don't worry: Signups are now open throughout the year. To make things fairer for latecomers, the lowest-scoring contestants will no longer be eliminated at the end of each round.

The first round will end on 26 February. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email), Epicgenius (talk · contribs · email), Frostly (talk · contribs · email), Guerillero (talk · contribs · email) and Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RFC Notice

Hello, this notice is for everyone who took part in the 2018 RfC on lists of airline destinations. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: Misplaced Pages talk:What Misplaced Pages is not § RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations. Sunnya343 (talk) 00:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

January music

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page had). My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)