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== Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 20244image is the negative he wasright handed == |
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Anyone know the copyright status of this image supplied by the Associated Press to the New York Times: |
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https://static02.nyt.com/images/2016/07/02/us/nf-obits-billykid/nf-obits-billykidd-jumbo.jpg |
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] (]) 04:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/obituaries/archives/billy-the-kid |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 05:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:The image is not a negative, obviously. The OP should have read the article's ], which says, "The image shows Bonney wearing his holstered Colt revolver on his left side. This led to the belief that he was left-handed, without taking into account that the ferrotype process produces reversed image." It's always a good idea to actually read the article before making comments about it. ;-) ] (]) 17:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Possible photos of Billy the Kid == |
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:Its copyright status doesn't matter. That is not an authenticated image of Billy the Kid. It has zero provenance to prove it. The caption, "This undated photograph shows who is thought to be the famed gunslinger Billy the Kid near the age of 18", itself should be a red flag, and does not constitute a provenance. ] (]) 15:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC) |
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I found these possible photos of Billy the Kid on FamilySearch. |
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How is that any different than the croquet picture displayed in the biography? The Associated Press and the New York Times believe it is him, and the text has the appropriate caveats. --] (]) 00:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC) |
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:Neither the New York Times and the AP are experts in photo authentication and just because a newspaper says a photograph is of somebody doesn't necessarily make it so. Mistakes happen all the time with wrongly identified photos in the media. Apparently the photo was sold at auction in 1994 for $50,000 by somebody named John Ray de Aragon who has a reputation of finding supposed Billy the Kid photos. In September 2014 article about a completely different possible Billy the Kid photo claimed by Aragon, a Santa Fe Gallery owner who claims to know the anonymous owner of the 1994 photograph says that further tests are planned to try and authenticate the image (on pg. 4). ] (]) 06:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC) |
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1st photo - FamilySearch user kendoughty claims "A recent discovery has reignited interest in the legend of Billy the Kid, with forensic expert Lois Gibson asserting that a newly found photograph of the notorious outlaw is authentic. The image, which belonged to a New Mexico collector, depicts a young, clean-cut Billy the Kid, a stark contrast to the typical portrayals of him as a rough and rebellious figure. Gibson's expertise in forensic analysis, combined with her track record of authenticating historical photographs, lends considerable weight to her claim. This revelation has the potential to reshape our understanding of the infamous gunslinger, who has become an enduring symbol of the Wild West. |
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== New article, "Legend of Billy the Kid" == |
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The photograph reportedly surfaced during an estate sale, where it was discovered tucked away among family heirlooms. Its provenance is particularly compelling, as it traces back to individuals connected to Billy the Kid's life, including those who may have known him personally. Gibson's analysis involved comparing the facial features in the photograph with known images of the outlaw, including various sketches and photographs taken during his life. The results of her examination suggest that the image aligns with historical records of Billy the Kid's appearance, reinforcing the notion that this photograph could indeed be a rare and valuable addition to the narrative of one of America’s most legendary figures. |
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I have created a new article, ]. I had written a "Legend" section for the "Billy the Kid" article, and realized that I had enough material for a separate article. I will write a synopsis for a corresponding section (using harvard refs) on "Billy the Kid" with a link to the main article when I get a chance, unless someone else wants to do it. ] (]) 21:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC) |
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If confirmed as authentic, this photograph would not only be a significant find for historians and collectors but also serve to deepen the mythos surrounding Billy the Kid. It highlights the ongoing fascination with the Wild West and its larger-than-life characters, whose stories have been immortalized in books, films, and folklore. As the investigation into the photograph continues, the implications for both historical scholarship and popular culture could be profound, offering new insights into the life and legacy of a man who has captivated the imagination for over a century." |
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== Death - how many lawmen in the room? == |
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Text says Garrett had two deputies -- two sentences later "the pair sat in the room" -- |
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2nd photo - none look generally similar in appearance to Billy the Kid from the known photo. |
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so was only one with Garrett in the room? If so, it should say that before the pronoun "pair." ] (]) 16:24, 10 October 2016 (UTC) |
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3rd photo - Billy the Kid is supposedly on the left, name marked "Henry McCarthy" and someone named "William McCarthy" is on the right.none look generally similar in appearance to Billy the Kid from the known photo. |
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:I'm very curious as to how many death certificates aren't issued posthumously. ] (]) 15:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC) |
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4th photo - none look generally similar in appearance to Billy the Kid from the known photo. |
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== Other music references == |
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5th photo - Billy the Kid is in the chair. This is the most likely and looks the most similar to Billy the Kid in appearance. It is also noticeable this person has hair going down the back of his head, similar to Billy the Kid, and has the same stance as Billy the Kid, with a tilted hat. ] (]) 18:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC) |
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"Ballad of Billy the Kid" by Billy Joel |
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"Billy the Kid" by Aaron Copland ] (]) 14:18, 25 January 2017 (UTC) |
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== Recent wording changes == |
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== "as of 2021" == |
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hasn't changed as far as i'm aware, updating it to '24 confirms to the reader that the information is still correct and not outdated. ] (]) 13:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I think they are not improvements. Another editor is choosing to edit war rather than observe BRD. Comments on the changes? -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 13:41, 16 March 2017 (UTC) |
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The photograph reportedly surfaced during an estate sale, where it was discovered tucked away among family heirlooms. Its provenance is particularly compelling, as it traces back to individuals connected to Billy the Kid's life, including those who may have known him personally. Gibson's analysis involved comparing the facial features in the photograph with known images of the outlaw, including various sketches and photographs taken during his life. The results of her examination suggest that the image aligns with historical records of Billy the Kid's appearance, reinforcing the notion that this photograph could indeed be a rare and valuable addition to the narrative of one of America’s most legendary figures.
If confirmed as authentic, this photograph would not only be a significant find for historians and collectors but also serve to deepen the mythos surrounding Billy the Kid. It highlights the ongoing fascination with the Wild West and its larger-than-life characters, whose stories have been immortalized in books, films, and folklore. As the investigation into the photograph continues, the implications for both historical scholarship and popular culture could be profound, offering new insights into the life and legacy of a man who has captivated the imagination for over a century."
2nd photo - none look generally similar in appearance to Billy the Kid from the known photo.
3rd photo - Billy the Kid is supposedly on the left, name marked "Henry McCarthy" and someone named "William McCarthy" is on the right.none look generally similar in appearance to Billy the Kid from the known photo.
4th photo - none look generally similar in appearance to Billy the Kid from the known photo.
5th photo - Billy the Kid is in the chair. This is the most likely and looks the most similar to Billy the Kid in appearance. It is also noticeable this person has hair going down the back of his head, similar to Billy the Kid, and has the same stance as Billy the Kid, with a tilted hat. Newaccount33333 (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
hasn't changed as far as i'm aware, updating it to '24 confirms to the reader that the information is still correct and not outdated. 62.6.174.29 (talk) 13:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
level-5 vital article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 05:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)