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== Requested move 25 March 2017 == == Requested move 25 March 2017 ==
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 12:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC) &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 12:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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⚫ – Page 'K. Mountain'''<u>s</u>'''' was created correctly as (now a redirect {{las|Kittatinny Mountains}}, and when no opposition appeared, was moved per RfM. {{bullR
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⚫ }} Redirect {{las|Kittatinny Ridge}} was created separately, also correctly, with a proper broader focus. The mountain chain is a continuation of the ridge running from New York, through New Jersey, cut by the ] (]) and runs about 150 miles tending south in Pennsylvania as the first barrier ridge of the as it is the southern/eastern outlier of the the ] geologic province and actually extends into Georgia past Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, and North and South Carolina.{{bullR
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⚫ }} The real impetus for this suggestion is Kittatinny, by any name is geophysically part of the ] barrier ridge, sundered by the ]. 'Loosing' the ridge characteristic in any name (an 's' suffix preserves it) to me confuses matters, relying on such a poor name choice is contraindicated. {{bullR
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⚫ }} My preference would be to honor the USGS <u>historic</u> nomenclature most commonly seen on older USGS Map series, making ''''Kittatinny Ridge'''' (New Jersey division) the primary article name, as the articles are about the chain... ''the ridge, not focused solely some local peak'' (which are mostly common referents to news coverage and smallish local municipal civil engineering project planning discussions. (For examples: See ridges labels on maps for examples: in ] (map: ] "ridge" seen along some ridgelines, while other barrier ridges have "Mountain''''s''''" instead and compare to {{adr|Broad Mountain||Lehigh Valley}} ( with USGS software - computer generated last few months. We no longer have to put up with features off center, or that have an quadrangle's edge division splitting the map).{{bullR
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⚫ }} Furthermore, today, every coordinate on most our every articles can give users access geohack topographic maps with a few clicks, and depending on the service, the old alternative ridge names are alive and well. They are also far more plain to see with modern map software such as Acme mapper.com linked by the GNIS/USGS software &mdash; the author seems to be a bloody genius about combining and merging data from multiple sources. <b>]</b><font color="green">]</font> 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC) // <b>]</b><font color="green">]</font> 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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⚫ ] → {{no redirect|Kittatinny Ridge}} – Page 'K. Mountain'''<u>s</u>'''' was created correctly as (now a redirect {{las|Kittatinny Mountains}}, and when no opposition appeared, was moved per RfM.
⚫ * Redirect {{las|Kittatinny Ridge}} was created separately, also correctly, with a proper broader focus. The mountain chain is a continuation of the ridge running from New York, through New Jersey, cut by the ] (]) and runs about 150 miles tending south in Pennsylvania as the first barrier ridge of the as it is the southern/eastern outlier of the the ] geologic province and actually extends into Georgia past Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, and North and South Carolina.
⚫ * The real impetus for this suggestion is Kittatinny, by any name is geophysically part of the ] barrier ridge, sundered by the ]. 'Loosing' the ridge characteristic in any name (an 's' suffix preserves it) to me confuses matters, relying on such a poor name choice is contraindicated.
⚫ * My preference would be to honor the USGS <u>historic</u> nomenclature most commonly seen on older USGS Map series, making ''''Kittatinny Ridge'''' (New Jersey division) the primary article name, as the articles are about the chain... ''the ridge, not focused solely some local peak'' (which are mostly common referents to news coverage and smallish local municipal civil engineering project planning discussions. (For examples: See ridges labels on maps for examples: in ] (map: ] "ridge" seen along some ridgelines, while other barrier ridges have "Mountain''''s''''" instead and compare to ] ( with USGS software - computer generated last few months. We no longer have to put up with features off center, or that have an quadrangle's edge division splitting the map).
⚫ * Furthermore, today, every coordinate on most our every articles can give users access geohack topographic maps with a few clicks, and depending on the service, the old alternative ridge names are alive and well. They are also far more plain to see with modern map software such as Acme mapper.com linked by the GNIS/USGS software &mdash; the author seems to be a bloody genius about combining and merging data from multiple sources. <b>]</b>] 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC) // <b>]</b>] 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

⚫ * ] → content, text → {{no redirect|Kittatinny Ridge}}
⚫ * ] → redirect 2B swapped → {{no redirect|Kittatinny Mountain}}
* ] → make redirect to → {{no redirect|Kittatinny Ridge}}

=== Procedural comments ===
Sorry, I found your request, as entered, confusing and malformed. There is only one article that is proposed for move here; the other two are redirects. We do not "move" redirects. Thus, I've refactored your request to a single page move. – ] (]) 03:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
=== Previously executed technical request ===
* ''']&nbsp;→ {{no redirect|Kittatinny Mountain}}''' – It is only one mountain. The plural "Mountains" is improper. The singular "Mountain" is currently a redirect. USGS calls is "Kittatinny Mountain".&nbsp;– ] (]) 17:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

=== Survey ===
* '''Comments'''. Yes, it's a ridge, but is its name actually '''Ridge'''? Browsing through my collection of paper maps, one map calls it a Mountain and another calls it Mountains. I haven't seen a map that calls it a ridge, even though that's essentially what it is. It seems that "Mountain" is the common name for ridges in this area. Compare with ] (that photo doesn't look much like a real mountain to me), ] and ]. While there seems to be a split opinion on whether the leads of these articles should say ...is a mountain or ...is a ridge, I say they are all ridges. The maps don't pinpoint the location of the summits of these "mountains", though of course there has to be a "highest point on the ridge". I suppose this is the "New Jersey naming convention". But, much as I'd like to call this a '''R'''idge, I'm going to have to oppose if the only sources that actually call it that are ''historical'' maps, or sources indicating that these are historical names. And, ya gotta love this: ] is a peak of the ] in New Jersey. Blue Mountain was formerly the name for the entire ]. – ] (]) 04:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
** Well, how about that? and I could be convinced. ] (]) 04:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
** There's a ] on Kittatinny Mountain, New Jersey's highest point elevation. High Point is the highest peak of the Kittatinny Mountains. Or is Kittatinny Mountain the highest mountain in New Jersey? One thing I know ''for sure'', the top of that monument is the highest point in the state! The monument looks taller than the hill that it's sitting on top of. ] (]) 04:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
** ]s are usually termed ]s or ]s as well, depending on size. – ] (]) 04:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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Requested move 25 March 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

It was proposed in this section that Kittatinny Mountain be renamed and moved to Kittatinny Ridge.

The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment.

Links: current log • target log

Kittatinny Mountain → Kittatinny Ridge – Page 'K. Mountains' was created correctly as (now a redirect Kittatinny Mountains (edit talk links history), and when no opposition appeared, was moved per RfM.

  • Redirect Kittatinny Ridge (edit talk links history) was created separately, also correctly, with a proper broader focus. The mountain chain is a continuation of the ridge running from New York, through New Jersey, cut by the Delaware River (Delaware Water Gap) and runs about 150 miles tending south in Pennsylvania as the first barrier ridge of the Ridge-and-Valley_Appalachians as it is the southern/eastern outlier of the the Ridge-and-Valley_Appalachians geologic province and actually extends into Georgia past Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, and North and South Carolina.
  • The real impetus for this suggestion is Kittatinny, by any name is geophysically part of the Blue_Mountain_(Pennsylvania) barrier ridge, sundered by the Delaware Water Gap. 'Loosing' the ridge characteristic in any name (an 's' suffix preserves it) to me confuses matters, relying on such a poor name choice is contraindicated.
  • My preference would be to honor the USGS historic nomenclature most commonly seen on older USGS Map series, making 'Kittatinny Ridge' (New Jersey division) the primary article name, as the articles are about the chain... the ridge, not focused solely some local peak (which are mostly common referents to news coverage and smallish local municipal civil engineering project planning discussions. (For examples: See ridges labels on maps for examples: in Nesquehoning Creek (map: 1893 style "ridge" seen along some ridgelines, while other barrier ridges have "Mountain's'" instead and compare to Broad Mountain (what is possible with USGS software - computer generated last few months. We no longer have to put up with features off center, or that have an quadrangle's edge division splitting the map).
  • Furthermore, today, every coordinate on most our every articles can give users access geohack topographic maps with a few clicks, and depending on the service, the old alternative ridge names are alive and well. They are also far more plain to see with modern map software such as Acme mapper.com linked by the GNIS/USGS software — the author seems to be a bloody genius about combining and merging data from multiple sources. FrankB 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC) // FrankB 19:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Procedural comments

Sorry, I found your request, as entered, confusing and malformed. There is only one article that is proposed for move here; the other two are redirects. We do not "move" redirects. Thus, I've refactored your request to a single page move. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Previously executed technical request

Survey

  • Comments. Yes, it's a ridge, but is its name actually Ridge? Browsing through my collection of paper maps, one map calls it a Mountain and another calls it Mountains. I haven't seen a map that calls it a ridge, even though that's essentially what it is. It seems that "Mountain" is the common name for ridges in this area. Compare with Jenny Jump Mountain (that photo doesn't look much like a real mountain to me), Musconetcong Mountain and Scotts Mountain. While there seems to be a split opinion on whether the leads of these articles should say ...is a mountain or ...is a ridge, I say they are all ridges. The maps don't pinpoint the location of the summits of these "mountains", though of course there has to be a "highest point on the ridge". I suppose this is the "New Jersey naming convention". But, much as I'd like to call this a Ridge, I'm going to have to oppose if the only sources that actually call it that are historical maps, or sources indicating that these are historical names. And, ya gotta love this: Blue Mountain (New Jersey) is a peak of the Kittatinny Mountains in New Jersey. Blue Mountain was formerly the name for the entire Kittatinny Mountains. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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