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== Eliminate the 'Controversies' section == | |||
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Now that the election is over, I'm hoping I can raise what I believe is a legitimate concern without the typical politicking debates. I don't believe any politician's page should have a separate controversies section. This used to be a common practice, but was stopped on most pages as it is a clear violation of ]. There were wiki projects to do this for presidential candidates, but I guess statewide official pages were ignored. For example, Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee had long controversy sections that were eliminated. Please keep in mind that I am absolutely '''''not''''' suggesting to remove something potentially negative, but rather keep it all in a chronological and neutral context rather than in a seperate controversy section. Again, this is a common wiki practice - prior to running for president, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Giuliani, McCain, Fred Thompson, Chris Dodd and many others had controversy sections. ] (]) 04:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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:This has apparently been done and I can see other discussions about removing negative content but I wanted to point out that sanitizing a page to have no content that could be considered negative isn't the same as being neutral. I came to this page because I read elsewhere that events on the campaign trail led to George Allen effectively disappearing from politics and I wanted to know more. Seems like a major item in his biography right? The article mentions that he retired after a "controversial" campaign but then the subject is totally dropped. Are we going to remove mentions of Monica Lewinski from Clinton's ariticle? Are we going to remove mentions of Flint from Snyder's? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
So here's a fellow who prided in posing with red-necks and ex-KKK types and photographic evidence of that is all over the internet. And turns out he is half Jewish - that must hurt, you know where. | |||
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Then he is accused by his ex-buddies that he routinely used N-word in his younger years; lo and behold - turns out since his mom is from Tunisia (in Africa); he is himself half African-American in literal sense of the word. That must hurt too - ouch!!! | |||
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== Comments on Islam == | |||
Something should be added about Allen's support for James Dobson's claim that we are at war with American Muslims, an allegation Dobson made at the 2006 Values Voters Summit, where both were in attendance. http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/24/110949.shtml?s=ic (Anon) <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 16:05, 24 September 2006.</small> | |||
:I don't think we can infer that at all from the link you've given us. First and foremost, the claim that Dobson is against ''American'' muslims is entirely unsupported. Also, we only have that Allen was attendance, not that he supported that specific statement.--] 00:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== The "N-Word" Controversy== | |||
How is it relevent to this page when 16 out of the 19 teammates in that story allege allen didn't use the n word? Do we put it in there when there's only 3 out of 19 alleging it (one of whom is a democrat donor) <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 03:11, 25 September 2006 {{{2|}}}.</small> | |||
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:Because it's a story, reported on by a major news outlet, that could have major ramifications for the campaign. If we're going to be basing Misplaced Pages articles based on whether someone has disagreed about a historical event, then we should be deleting half of the political articles here. -] 03:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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::Salon's known for left-wing bias. This is just another hit job, and needs to be removed.--] 03:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:::3 out of 19 alleged it. The remaining 16 didn't all refute it. Salon explains this well - the allegation and refutations should be presented together. The story is relevant regardless because of both longstanding and recent allegations of racism. (Salon is as acceptable a source as any reputable online magazine, left-wing bias and all). --] 03:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:::I suppose we should remove anything by the NYT and any comments by a Democrat, too? The fact of the matter is that first, Salon is fairly reputable, and second, that it's an allegation made with a reasonable amount of basis behind it and with the knowledge of the Allen campaign. We don't remove the Swift Boat stuff from John Kerry's article because it was done by a right-wing group; it's a part of the campaign, and of the current events. -] 04:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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As a matter of housekeeping, can someone take the link out of the section heading. Thanks. ] 20:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:Um, since there has been a rebuttal, shouldn't it be in there as well as the claim: ? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
::Yes. Feel free to add something in. Just link to the reference in the text you add, please. --] 22:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:::Soz, it's semiprotected. Can't do much myself. --] 22:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::I've put in an ], so it will hopefully be opened back up soon. Would be much easier (especially in the long run) if you create an account. --] 22:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Eliminate the 'Controversies' section
Now that the election is over, I'm hoping I can raise what I believe is a legitimate concern without the typical politicking debates. I don't believe any politician's page should have a separate controversies section. This used to be a common practice, but was stopped on most pages as it is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. There were wiki projects to do this for presidential candidates, but I guess statewide official pages were ignored. For example, Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee had long controversy sections that were eliminated. Please keep in mind that I am absolutely not suggesting to remove something potentially negative, but rather keep it all in a chronological and neutral context rather than in a seperate controversy section. Again, this is a common wiki practice - prior to running for president, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Giuliani, McCain, Fred Thompson, Chris Dodd and many others had controversy sections. MavsFan28 (talk) 04:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
- This has apparently been done and I can see other discussions about removing negative content but I wanted to point out that sanitizing a page to have no content that could be considered negative isn't the same as being neutral. I came to this page because I read elsewhere that events on the campaign trail led to George Allen effectively disappearing from politics and I wanted to know more. Seems like a major item in his biography right? The article mentions that he retired after a "controversial" campaign but then the subject is totally dropped. Are we going to remove mentions of Monica Lewinski from Clinton's ariticle? Are we going to remove mentions of Flint from Snyder's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:4001:45B0:114C:A590:95F5:F0CE (talk) 02:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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