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	<blockquote>It is unclear whether ''The Blair Witch Project'' was inspired by ''The Last Broadcast'', or if they were conceived separately in isolation.<!--<ref name="broadcast">{{cite web \| last = Denning \| first = Mark\| title =The Last Broadcast \| work = New York Times/nytimes.com \| date = \| url = http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/184453/The-Last-Broadcast/overview \| accessdate = 2008-06-28 }}</ref>--></blockquote>
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	:to ]: you wrote "care to discuss" in the edit comments without even bothering to have a look at the discussions? wtf? --] (]) 21:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
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	== Budget ==

	The citation states that the film was completed on a budget of $20,000 - $25,000 and then later touched up, bringing the total money spent to $500,000 - $750,000. Bignole responded that because more money was put into it later, that all money spent comes to one accumulative budget (note that although Artisan did have them shoot some more stuff, it wasn't used - see citation). I agree with Bignole's statement, however, being that this is an online encyclopedia, by not stating how much of the filmmaker's own money was spent we are not in on all details. Knowing that the film was completed with an initial investment of $20,000 - $25,000 gives the readers more insight to the filmmakers and the film.

	The Clerks. wiki page does this as well. It states that the original investment was made up with Kevin's own money (meaning he was making a sacrifice for what he wanted to do - gives the readers more insight to the director and his passion/aspirations). It then states the budget after post production, showing that Mirimax had enough faith in the movie to invest a little more into it by purchasing musical rights so that the films could feel more like a film.

	For example, I have seen other wiki articles for films divide information like this before as well (such as the box office during original release and then the box office during a re-release for example). Yes, all tickets sold in general makes up one lump sum, however it gives us more insight to the film's popularity (showing that it was popular enough to make X amount of money on a second release).

	Unless there's a policy stating that such information should not be divided then it looks to me as though Bignole is editing based on opinion, which is against wiki policy since all articles are to be written based on fact and not opinion. It is fact that there are two different budgets to Blair Witch. The filmmaker's budget for the original cut and then the studio's budget for the sound mix and prints. If there is a policy concerning this however, please provide it and maybe insert a link to it as in invisible note in the page's edit page to avoid further changes to the budget.

	] (]) 09:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

	:Please read ] and ], then go back and read the source. Some of the additional costs were music changes and re-shoots. Reshooting scenes IS part of the budget. Music costs IS part of the budget. That's what made it grow. "Budget" is not "what we started with", it's what they finished with. ''Clerks'' needs to be changed. The director himself clearly says in the source:<blockquote>Well, the original budget to get the film in the can was probably between $20,000 and $25,000. Then, once we got to Sundance to make a print and do a sound mix, we were probably more in the neighborhood of $100,000. And then once Artisan Entertainment bought the film, they put another half-million dollars into it. They did a new sound mix, and they had us re-shoot some stuff. They didn't like the original ending with Mike standing in the corner. They asked us to shoot some new endings — Mike hanging by his neck; Mike crucified on a big stick figure; Mike with his shirt ripped open and all bloodied. We shot them but ended up staying with our original ending. '''So the budget of what you saw in the theaters was probably $500,000 to $750,000'''.</blockquote> BTW Ryan, the section on the budget DOES say how much they initially spent. But, if you put that number in the infobox then it's misleading to readers and makes them assume that that was the final budget of the film. It clearly wasn't. But putting the real number there, which is an accurate reflection of the final product (which is what Misplaced Pages should do), you have readers go read the section titled "Budget" to learn why the film they thought was only made for 20k, was actually made for more. ] ] 14:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

	::I agree the infobox figure should reflect ''all'' money spent to bring the film to the screen. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC">''']'''</font> (] • ]) 15:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

	== That couldn't be their budget ==

	The movie alone should only cost at most 30 grand did they spend the rest on advertising? i'm always confused about a movies budget does it include advertising? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	sorry i didnt see the budget thread it should be the first one in the discussion page] (]) 20:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

	== Remake (an opinion) ==

	''"In late 2009, film director Stacy Hopkins was scheduled to start the shooting of the Scottish remake The Blair Witch."''

	To be honest, until more is known about what this 'remake' actually is, I'd lose this bit. Based on the reference there's fairly little information available, except that it's a remake that probably/might/might not be an actual remake, more a 'faux' remake (whatever that might be); and in any case it's a bit misleading for the article to suggest it's a straightforward 'Scottish remake'. - ] (]) 07:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

	This part needs to go unless there has been some kind of information by now. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== camcorders ==

	The introductory paragraph says

	''The viewer is told that the three were never found, although their video and sound equipment (along with most of the footage they shot) was discovered a year later. '''This is the only movie to be filmed using camcorders.''' This "recovered footage" is presented as the film the viewer is watching. ''

	Millions of movies are filmed using camcorders (youtube). I think the article should remove the sentence or better define what a movie is.


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	== Backlash? ==

	In the article it says ''Donahue has stated that there was a considerable backlash against her because of her association with the film, which she claims led to her having threatening encounters and difficulty obtaining employment.''. However, I couldn't figure why there would be backlash? I completely ignored the whole thing when it came out and have no idea what it's talking about. --]] 03:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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	: I'm baffled by that as well. The film was generally well-received and the interview that discusses the so-called "backlash" never explains why it occurred. ] (]) 16:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
	There was indeed a critical backlash against the overhyped and uncritical initial reception of the movie. Audiences themselves were reportedly becoming increasingly disappointed in the product experienced in the theatre as opposed to the work of genius they had read about. (Personally, I thought the film stank.) In fact many started questioning whether the entire project hadn't been a giant cynical rip off by the producers from the start. The article should reflect something of this clouded legacy. ] (]) 18:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
	::Did they? I don't recall anyone talking about a "giant cynical rip-off", though I agree audience reaction was sharply divided between those who loved it and those who hated it - very few fell in the middle. What did the alleged rip-off constitute? ] (]) 11:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

	==Minor change==

	I have changed part of the article that said "the witch was not seen for most of the film" to say that the witch was NEVER seen in the film, which is correct as far as I am aware.

	] (]) 03:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

	== Concerning the claim "causing Donahue to suffer eczema" ==

	The article claims in the filming section that...
	::The directors rationed the food of the cast, causing Donahue to suffer eczema outbreaks as filming progressed. "
	But the eczema link says...
	::The hygiene hypothesis postulates that the cause of... eczema..., and other allergic diseases is an unusually clean environment.
	I removed the claim. ] (]) 04:36, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

	==Fiction!==

	This article implies that this is a documentary film, not a work of fiction. It was made to look like a documentary as part of the creative process, but it is FICTION. Unless someone objects, I will change the article to make this clear –] (]) 20:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

	== The Devil and Tom Walker ==

	I thought the scene where Josh's tongue and teeth (or whatever) were found in a bundle bound by material from his shirt outside of the tent was an allusion to the short story ] by Washington Irving. In that story, the protagonist finds his wife's apron containing her heart and liver in the woods after she goes missing looking for ]. Should this be listed in the allusions section of the article? ] (]) 21:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

	== Aftermath ==
	This section I believe is marketing material or backstory for the movie; see http://www.blairwitch.com/mythology.html (already an external link, listed as the official website). As such, it is extended content of the film itself and should probably be removed. I added a fiction tag, for lack of finding any other more appropriate tag. – ] (]) 23:06, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

	== Dates of the Film ==

	Article says that movie opened on July 30, 1999. So how does this sentence jive with that fact "During 2008, Entertainment Weekly named The Blair Witch Project one of "the 100 best films from 1983 to 2008", ranking it at #99. Thanks ] (]) 21:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
	::What's the discrepancy here? – ] (]) 21:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

	== widely acclaimed by critics? ==

	I usually give online, regular joe reviewers more consideration than "professional" critics, Rotten Tomatoes being my most revered...and I see you're right but...WHAT? Never mind the fact that I hated the movie, I'm a jerkoff with odd opinions. For instance...I like Casino more than Goodfellas which is like blasphemy to cinesnobs. But how is it critically acclaimed when it won awards for worst this and that? And not only that, and I realize word on the street or among certain circles that isn't written down can't be sourced, but am I the only one remembering practically everyone who saw this movie shitting all over it. No, correction, spraying hot, neon orange diarrhea all over it? I mean, I heard less criticism of Star Wars episode I, and we all know what kind of backlash that movie got. ] (]) 06:21, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

	:No, you are right. We went to see it after seeing footage of a critic stumbling out of a showing at the Cannes Film Festival mumbling "Oh God!" and generally looking as though she'd been hit over the head with a board. At the conclusion of the showing the bloke in front of us stood up and shouted "BOLLOCKS!", for which he received a standing ovation. "Why" asked the then Mrs Larrington, "did they not, when lost, just follow the stream until they came to a road?" ] (]) 14:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

	==Rewriting most of the plot==
	I think I'd like to do some rewriting for the plot. Even with just the opening it reveals too much that's not even in the official film. Yes, it's entirely accurate, it all appears in Curse of the Blair Witch, and in the movie itself Rustin Parr is explained to an extent and a few stories of Elly Kedward. But never is it explained (in the movie) that the police released the film because they viewed it as a prank. --] (]) 05:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


	== Illogical plot ==

	For arguments sake, witches exist. We can also argue that people can be haunted. So a person can be haunted by a dead witch, as the hermit claimed. That sounds a plausible local legend. But to say that the "students explore the woods in north Burkittsville to look for evidence that the Blair Witch exists" makes no sense. One does not trek through forest to find evidence of a haunting, nor was there any reason to say that the witch "exist" still. Did the film really follow that poor logic, or is this just the summary?] (]) 05:32, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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			== psychological? supernatural? or just horror? ==
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			An unregistered editor changed the description on the first paragraph on the lead from supernatural horror film to psychological horror film with this reasoning:
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			While I do agree with some of these changes, the horror inside the movie comes from the increasingly oppressive supposed supernatural aspect of the film. Sounds coming from 360 degrees, voice of children resonating near the tent when it is shaking from all sides, disappearances without a fight, to the ending which features one of the main characters standing in an unresponsive state.
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			This is seems way more supernatural than psychological to me. What @] and @] think? I also would like to note that neither of the two definitions are currently used on body, so personally I am for getting rid of the specific categorization all together. It is an horror film. ] (]) 23:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:I've never seen this movie, and I'm not familiar with the sourcing generally, so I don't feel apt to opine here. However, maybe the editor who reviewed the GA nom a few years back (i.e. {{u\|Famous Hobo}}) might be? The GA nom (who after several name changes is now {{no ping\|You've gone incognito}}) is currently indefinitely blocked, I'd otherwise have suggested reaching out to them as well. — ] <sub>]</sub> 23:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::I'd be inclined to keep the "psychological horror" genre. A simple Google search finds numerous reliable sources that call the movie exactly that (reviews, media articles, university papers,etc), and the Library of Congress even says that: "The film established a new type of documentary psychological horror genre" https://www.loc.gov/item/prn-17-158 ] (]) 04:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::I'll be honest, I've never liked having too many genre descriptors for a movie article, it can get cluttered real quick. So I'm fine just calling it a horror film and moving on, but I'd also be fine with calling it psychological horror, since it also fits that description. ] (]) 06:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::While I do agree with Famous Hobo sentiment of disliking genre descriptors I find what Meters linked compelling enough to revert my edit. I will also add it to body.
			::::Thank you all for answering! ] (]) 12:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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psychological? supernatural? or just horror?

An unregistered editor changed the description on the first paragraph on the lead from supernatural horror film to psychological horror film with this reasoning:

"The film is not supernatural. It is never clear what actually is against the victims. It is a psychological found footage film."

They also went on to do these changes:

"Correction, removal of incorrect info ("demonic symbols"), correction (changed to "one of the walls") and changed "force" into "unknown villain". It is never made clear in the film if it is a supernatural force or a serial killer that is hunting them."

While I do agree with some of these changes, the horror inside the movie comes from the increasingly oppressive supposed supernatural aspect of the film. Sounds coming from 360 degrees, voice of children resonating near the tent when it is shaking from all sides, disappearances without a fight, to the ending which features one of the main characters standing in an unresponsive state.

This is seems way more supernatural than psychological to me. What @Red-tailed hawk and @Meters think? I also would like to note that neither of the two definitions are currently used on body, so personally I am for getting rid of the specific categorization all together. It is an horror film. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 23:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen this movie, and I'm not familiar with the sourcing generally, so I don't feel apt to opine here. However, maybe the editor who reviewed the GA nom a few years back (i.e. Famous Hobo) might be? The GA nom (who after several name changes is now You've gone incognito) is currently indefinitely blocked, I'd otherwise have suggested reaching out to them as well. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to keep the "psychological horror" genre. A simple Google search finds numerous reliable sources that call the movie exactly that (reviews, media articles, university papers,etc), and the Library of Congress even says that: "The film established a new type of documentary psychological horror genre" https://www.loc.gov/item/prn-17-158 Meters (talk) 04:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I've never liked having too many genre descriptors for a movie article, it can get cluttered real quick. So I'm fine just calling it a horror film and moving on, but I'd also be fine with calling it psychological horror, since it also fits that description. Famous Hobo (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

While I do agree with Famous Hobo sentiment of disliking genre descriptors I find what Meters linked compelling enough to revert my edit. I will also add it to body.

Thank you all for answering! Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 12:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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