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I wonder whether the German term "fuckerey," apparently first used in the early 16th century in reference to Jakob Fugger's extreme profiteering and allegedly resultant mass impoverishment (e.g in Tyrol), might be an explanatory addendum or merely is coincidental? Earlier uses are possible, especially since the Fugger family's latinzed version is "Fucker" (e.g., Fucker advenit dedit XLIII denarios dignus - Tax Code, Augsburg, 1367) and given their Europe-wide reach beginning in the mid to late 14th century (Source: Damals, 7, July 2004, pp. 15-23 and pp. 25-29) |
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I wonder whether the German term "fuckerey," apparently first used in the early 16th century in reference to Jakob Fugger's extreme profiteering and allegedly resultant mass impoverishment (e.g in Tyrol), might be an explanatory addendum or merely is coincidental? Earlier uses are possible, especially since the Fugger family's latinzed version is "Fucker" (e.g., Fucker advenit dedit XLIII denarios dignus - Tax Code, Augsburg, 1367) and given their Europe-wide reach beginning in the mid to late 14th century (Source: Damals, 7, July 2004, pp. 15-23 and pp. 25-29) |
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== Swedish and Norwegian origin? == |
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This article should not exist. The word f**k is not allowed on Misplaced Pages. If I could I would report this article. ] (]) 19:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC) |
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:The subject of the article is notable by Misplaced Pages standards, and Misplaced Pages is not censored, like Conservapedia. You could nominate the article for deletion, but I doubt you would be successful. ] (]) 19:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC) |
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::Lets not encourage him to do anything that would only get him into trouble. Its not his fault if he doesn't know the ropes yet. --] (]) 23:14, 29 December 2016 (UTC) |
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Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 03:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC) |
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=== Fuck "obscene"? === |
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Although it sometimes called an "obscenity", I am not sure that the word "fuck" should be described as being "obscene", in the opening assertion of the article. The word is *not* legally obscene. For example, for many years - Victorian age and up until the 1960s, the word "cunt" was legally obscene and just putting it into print could land you in jail. We should be objective and, instead of siding with the view that the word "fuck" is obscene, when legally at least it is not, we should put it, at its highest, that the word is considered by some people as being "obscene". This is even though legally it isn't and therefore they are, legally, wrong as well as being unable, it seems to me, to substantiate their assertion without reference to their own and other people's opinions. The use of the word is sometimes contrary to generally accepted standards and sometimes it isn't - therefore, in the places that it isn't, it is not obscene even in this sense and should not be described as being obscene which implies that it includes cases in which it is not. Obscenity is often in the eye of the beholder and whoever made the edit to claim that the word "is an obscene word..." should provide evidence to support this, rather than including it as a bald assertion. In any case, the claim has sided with the views of the section of society that considers that it is and therefore is not objective. |
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(]) 19:25, 29 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:Remember that we are an international or global project, but what you just said is wonderfully vague about what country or jurisdiction you mean about a legally jailable offense. Also it may not be considered obscene in your society, but your idea seems to be that you can speak on behalf of all other societies where it is obcsene, or claim that your society thus gains some sort of moral precedence to overrule other societies. ] (]) 19:36, 30 January 2017 (UTC) |
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Over at ] two users who claim to be native Swedish and Norwegian speakers dispute the Swedish and Norwegian origins. I have examined the sources cited at that page, determined that it is not sufficiently sourced, and have removed that information from that page. However, I cannot access the source cited here at this page. |
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Could someone with access to the source confirm that it states (or does not state) what this article claims? Thanks. ] (]) 14:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 22:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC) |
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:Well, the link under footnote 7, which comes after the sentence about the Norwegian and Swedish dialect, just goes to a 404. I found what seems to be to the same page. It does mention the word "fuck" a lot, but just in a long list, with no information about origins. "Norwegian", "Swedish", "fukka" or "fock" is not mentioned at all. Although I can of course not know if there's been any change to this page after the switch to the new URL. ] (]) 13:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::The cite is to the OED and there is a link to Etymology at , , , and but the material is behind a paywall. I'll see about going to a library to use their subscription. ] (]) 13:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@] The OED's brief etymology is: {{tq|Probably cognate with '''Dutch''' ''fokken'' to mock (15th cent.), to strike (1591), to fool, gull (1623), to beget children (1637), to have sexual intercourse with (1657), to grow, cultivate (1772), '''Norwegian''' regional ''fukka'' to copulate, '''Swedish''' regional ''fokka'' to copulate (compare '''Swedish''' regional ''fock'' penis), further etymology uncertain: perhaps < an '''Indo-European''' root meaning ‘to strike’ also shown by '''classical Latin''' ''pugnus'' fist (see '''pugnacious''' ''adj.''). Perhaps compare '''Old Icelandic''' ''fjúka'' to be driven on, tossed by the wind, ''feykja'' to blow, drive away, '''Middle High German''' ''fochen'' to hiss, to blow. Perhaps compare also '''Middle High German''' ''ficken'' to rub, early modern '''German''' ''ficken'' to rub, itch, scratch, '''German''' ''ficken'' to have sexual intercourse with (1558), '''German''' regional ''ficken'' to rub, to make short fast movements, to hit with rods, although the exact nature of any relationship is unclear.}} In other words, it may have been part of a Norwegian or Swedish regional dialect at some point, but they don't give a date. |
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:::It doesn't mention the Scandinavian languages in it's longer discussion, which mostly goes into surnames and other words containing the sound such as ]. The etymology for the noun and interjection just say they're derived from the verb. ''Fok'' is linked in its etymology to the nautical term ''fock'' in Swedish and ''fok'' in Danish meaning a ]. They also recommend, for further reading: {{cite journal |last1=Lass |first1=Roger |title=Four Letters in Search of an Etymology |journal=Diachronica |date=1 January 1995 |volume=12 |issue=1 |pages=99–111 |doi=10.1075/dia.12.1.12las}} |
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:::Prior to the 2008 revision, they weren't willing to go back any further than early modern English, simply saying {{tq|Early mod.E ''fuck'', ''fuk'', answering to a ME. type ''*fuken'' (wk. vb.) not found; ulterior etym. unknown. Synonymous G. ''ficken'' cannot be shown to be related.}}. --] (]) 22:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Did you want that added to the article? We'd need a ]. ]<small><small><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></small></small> 06:04, 24 May 2017 (UTC) |
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"Pre-Germanic form *pug-néh2- (''to blow')" |
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"Pre-Germanic form *''pug-néh<sub>2</sub>-'' (<nowiki>''to blow'</nowiki>)" ] (]) 15:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC) |
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I wonder whether the German term "fuckerey," apparently first used in the early 16th century in reference to Jakob Fugger's extreme profiteering and allegedly resultant mass impoverishment (e.g in Tyrol), might be an explanatory addendum or merely is coincidental? Earlier uses are possible, especially since the Fugger family's latinzed version is "Fucker" (e.g., Fucker advenit dedit XLIII denarios dignus - Tax Code, Augsburg, 1367) and given their Europe-wide reach beginning in the mid to late 14th century (Source: Damals, 7, July 2004, pp. 15-23 and pp. 25-29)
Mismatched quotation marks, or extra single quotation mark at beginning of translation in paragraph 2 of "German cognates" section:
"Pre-Germanic form *pug-néh2- (to blow')"
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"Pre-Germanic form *pug-néh2- (''to blow')" Benriddell (talk) 15:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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