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I'll put comments soon, meanwhile I'd really appreciate it if you could review for GA. Thanks either way. <small><span style="background:#132639; padding:2px">]</span><span style="background: #FFD200;padding:2px">]</span></small> 15:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC) | I'll put comments soon, meanwhile I'd really appreciate it if you could review for GA. Thanks either way. <small><span style="background:#132639; padding:2px">]</span><span style="background: #FFD200;padding:2px">]</span></small> 15:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC) | ||
:: {{ping|Numerounovedant}} Just letting you know if you have forgot. - ] (]) 23:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC) | :: {{ping|Numerounovedant}} Just letting you know if you have forgot. - ] (]) 23:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC) | ||
:::I am sorry, I have been traveling all this time. I'll get to this tonight. Thanks for being patient. <small><span style="background:#132639; padding:2px">]</span><span style="background: #FFD200;padding:2px">]</span></small> 12:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::I have reverted your mass removal of the content below. I added those comments because they are relevant to GA review (maintenance tags were removed without the issues being addressed, and said maintenance tags would have auto-failed this GA review if they had been allowed to remain). BLP articles that contain contentious/unsourced material cannot be Good Articles. If/when the problem is addressed, the discussion below can be ]. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | :::I have reverted your mass removal of the content below. I added those comments because they are relevant to GA review (maintenance tags were removed without the issues being addressed, and said maintenance tags would have auto-failed this GA review if they had been allowed to remain). BLP articles that contain contentious/unsourced material cannot be Good Articles. If/when the problem is addressed, the discussion below can be ]. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | ||
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=== Personal life sourcing and SYNTH concerns from Hijiri88 === | === Personal life sourcing and SYNTH concerns from Hijiri88 === | ||
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Not going to preemptively overhaul this review, but per I think that the sentence about him being in a relationship with his ''GOT'' co-star needs either | Not going to preemptively overhaul this review, but per I think that the sentence about him being in a relationship with his ''GOT'' co-star needs either | ||
*(a) to be sourced to a single reliable source that explicitly supports the full claim which is not ], | *(a) to be sourced to a single reliable source that explicitly supports the full claim which is not ], | ||
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:::::::::::::: I never gave you permission, just said that I don't mind removing the year "2002". No need to be upset. - ] (]) 23:39, 5 June 2017 (UTC) | :::::::::::::: I never gave you permission, just said that I don't mind removing the year "2002". No need to be upset. - ] (]) 23:39, 5 June 2017 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::::::I'm not upset. I'm just telling you that if you want this article to pass GA, you should do some of the work. The article at present contains an unsourced, contentious claim about a living person. I would remove it myself per BLP but honestly I'm getting kind of sick of editing articles related to ''GOT'' at this point, given how often my edits get auto-reverted. You should do it yourself, and if you are unwilling to work to make the article meet GA criteria, and no one else is either, then the GA review should not pass. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | :::::::::::::::I'm not upset. I'm just telling you that if you want this article to pass GA, you should do some of the work. The article at present contains an unsourced, contentious claim about a living person. I would remove it myself per BLP but honestly I'm getting kind of sick of editing articles related to ''GOT'' at this point, given how often my edits get auto-reverted. You should do it yourself, and if you are unwilling to work to make the article meet GA criteria, and no one else is either, then the GA review should not pass. ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::::::: Fixed the so called "issues" you hade. - ] (]) 01:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::::::Putting scare-quotes around serious BLP concerns that have been recognized by multiple editors is not going to endear you to the community, and I now deeply suspect that some of your other past GA and FL noms should be reassessed, if you still seriously don't understand the problem with claiming someone has been in a romantic relationship for four years longer than they are willing to publicly acknowledge. ] (<small>]]</small>) 01:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::::::: I'm lost, is their anything else? any more stuff you think needs to be fixed?, or are you just gonna write a long comment back saying basically nothing? - ] (]) 01:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::::::::If I find any more problems I'll report back. I still haven't checked the new sources (which don't appear to be the same ones you presented here) to see that they fully verify the content as it appears now. I know the HuffPost one does by itself, so I don't fully understand why five separate citations are needed. I can say for certain even without checking the details that the ''Hollywood Life'' citation from 2012 should be removed. It was just speculative rumour when it was published, and is useless for the claim that they are currently dating. Other than that, I have no specific complaints at the moment, so this section can be collapsed. When you figure out what to do with the photo, the same can be done with the section below. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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::::You can dare to look at the edit history and see how often the photo is changed. ] (]) 23:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC) | ::::You can dare to look at the edit history and see how often the photo is changed. ] (]) 23:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC) | ||
:::::Moved the above misplaced response here from the main talk page, as it might be relevant to the stability criterion for GA, ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | :::::Moved the above misplaced response here from the main talk page, as it might be relevant to the stability criterion for GA, ] (<small>]]</small>) 00:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | ||
::::::Does any one else agree that "File:Kit Harington Comic-Con 2011.jpg" should be used instead? or is it just me? - ] (]) 11:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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The article needs entensive expansion: The GoT role needs to have reviews for his performance, and as he has been playing the role for a long time I am sure there must be commentary and news artciles on his own expereinces. Also, other roles need similar expansion. The lead needs to be reworked to comply with the MoS. The personal life is just one sentence, is that really all there is to his life> I strongly suggest some more research and substantial expansion here. Good luck. At this point I have to '''Fail''' this. <small><span style="background:#132639; padding:2px">]</span><span style="background: #FFD200;padding:2px">]</span></small> 10:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Reviewer: Numerounovedant (talk · contribs) 15:28, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
I'll put comments soon, meanwhile I'd really appreciate it if you could review this for GA. Thanks either way. NumerounovedantTalk 15:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Numerounovedant: Just letting you know if you have forgot. - AffeL (talk) 23:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- I am sorry, I have been traveling all this time. I'll get to this tonight. Thanks for being patient. NumerounovedantTalk 12:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- I have reverted your mass removal of the content below. I added those comments because they are relevant to GA review (maintenance tags were removed without the issues being addressed, and said maintenance tags would have auto-failed this GA review if they had been allowed to remain). BLP articles that contain contentious/unsourced material cannot be Good Articles. If/when the problem is addressed, the discussion below can be collapsed. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Numerounovedant: Just letting you know if you have forgot. - AffeL (talk) 23:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Personal life sourcing and SYNTH concerns from Hijiri88
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Not going to preemptively overhaul this review, but per this source analysis I think that the sentence about him being in a relationship with his GOT co-star needs either
Note that I'm not saying I agree or disagree that they are dating or anything like that. I just don't think Misplaced Pages should be playing the celeb gossip game, and should especially not be making double-BLP claims that are only explicitly supported by one BuzzFeed article. I am not that experienced with BLPs or celebrity gossip, so I am not actually sure if option (c) would be acceptable. Ideally, we could find a better source and go with option (a), but I suspect (b) might actually be the only viable option here if the article is to pass GA review. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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For the record, I also think that the photo in the lead is the worst of our three current photos of him. Yes, it is slightly more up-to-date (three years old as opposed to four or six years old), but he's staring right into the camera and squinting, apparently because of whatever that light source is that one can see reflecting off his face. I think that it should be switched out of the lead in favour of one of the others currently further down in the article. And my thinking this is not "vandalism" either. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- That edit was vandal, as you can see the user removed "| birth_name = Christopher Catesby Harington" from the infobox. But I agree that the picture should be changed. I think to "File:Kit Harington Comic-Con 2011.jpg" would be good. - AffeL (talk) 11:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- Per your latest edit to my user talk page, I can accept that you now understand that accidentally, or even deliberately, removing some piece of information in good faith cannot be called "vandalism", but just to clarify: if what you were actually referring to was the removal of the redundant "birth name" parameter (as far as I can tell, he has not formally changed his name, so calling his full name his "birth name" is misleading, and removing it made sense), then your edit summary "removed vandalism" made no sense as the "vandalism" you were referring to would itself have been a removal. Anyway, it's peripheral to this GA review, but please refrain from using the words "vandal" and "vandalism" from now on. It comes across as attempting to game the system by preemptively declaring every revert you make as automatically being an exception to 3RR. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- You can dare to look at the edit history and see how often the photo is changed. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- Moved the above misplaced response here from the main talk page, as it might be relevant to the stability criterion for GA, Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Does any one else agree that "File:Kit Harington Comic-Con 2011.jpg" should be used instead? or is it just me? - AffeL (talk) 11:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Moved the above misplaced response here from the main talk page, as it might be relevant to the stability criterion for GA, Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- You can dare to look at the edit history and see how often the photo is changed. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- Per your latest edit to my user talk page, I can accept that you now understand that accidentally, or even deliberately, removing some piece of information in good faith cannot be called "vandalism", but just to clarify: if what you were actually referring to was the removal of the redundant "birth name" parameter (as far as I can tell, he has not formally changed his name, so calling his full name his "birth name" is misleading, and removing it made sense), then your edit summary "removed vandalism" made no sense as the "vandalism" you were referring to would itself have been a removal. Anyway, it's peripheral to this GA review, but please refrain from using the words "vandal" and "vandalism" from now on. It comes across as attempting to game the system by preemptively declaring every revert you make as automatically being an exception to 3RR. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- That edit was vandal, as you can see the user removed "| birth_name = Christopher Catesby Harington" from the infobox. But I agree that the picture should be changed. I think to "File:Kit Harington Comic-Con 2011.jpg" would be good. - AffeL (talk) 11:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
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The article needs entensive expansion: The GoT role needs to have reviews for his performance, and as he has been playing the role for a long time I am sure there must be commentary and news artciles on his own expereinces. Also, other roles need similar expansion. The lead needs to be reworked to comply with the MoS. The personal life is just one sentence, is that really all there is to his life> I strongly suggest some more research and substantial expansion here. Good luck. At this point I have to Fail this. NumerounovedantTalk 10:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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