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Lebanon was home to Phoenicia?

Phoenicia predates Lebanon, so if Misplaced Pages is going to use this non-encyclopedic metaphor "home", ancient Phoenicia is now "home" to what is currently being called "Lebanon". Plus the source give doesn't even say these words, and the source is also not encyclopedic, even if it is somehow associated with Princeton. Describing an ancient trade as coming from the "innards" of snails is one example of the very casual and chatty tone of the source and so I doubt it's use for Misplaced Pages in any way, for factual reasons, for prioritization of topics (meaning elevating that which is entertaining over that which is objectively significant), and in general a sloppy, half-assed column that would be more appropriately found in a news magazine like "People", and not being used as source material for an encyclopedia. Meaning that, I read the Misplaced Pages Article, and I still don't know the history of the areas of the Middle East that is now known as "Lebanon", no matter what words it might be currently using, I don't trust them, or the Article.

2603:8081:3A00:30DF:A5AB:9BE9:BAED:623B (talk) 21:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Pedantic nonsense. Ancient Phoenicia and modern Lebanon closely overlap. Phoenician purple dye was indeed made from the innards of murex sea snails. These are both facts. A place can be "home to" something older than itself (eg most museums are home to old artefacts). Colloquial language (which "innards" isn't, really...) or an interest in entertainment doesn't necessarily make a source unreliable. Furius (talk) 08:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

To be fair "home to Phoenicia" sounds odd and doesn't really make sense. Looking back it originally said "home to Phoenician civilization" which is a more usual phrase. I've revised it here. DeCausa (talk) 08:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Why the Religion Index or bar has been removed?

The current wiki page on Religion has been tampered & Changed & the Religion bar has been removed from the page completely !!! No, proper way to go through the demographics of Lebanon properly!!! Skalvanov (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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I am requesting to change the word Israel to be change to Palestine what has happeded lately I would appreciate if you acknowledge change the words Israel to Palestine that is all I ask Nenikijhk (talk) 19:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. There are 65 occurrences of "israel" in this article, which one(s) are you requesting be changed? the 1948 Arab–Israeli War to the 1948 Arab-Palestine War? Cannolis (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Lebanon is a Mediterranean country. It should be listed as one, not as a country in west Asia. It hinders from its Mediterranean history and culture. TheLebanesePython (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Lebanon is in West Asia, in the same way that Morocco is in North Africa ("Morocco ... is a country in the Maghreb region of North Africa") and Italy is in Europe ("Italy ... is a country in Southern and Western Europe"). The very second sentence of the article says that it (like Morocco and Italy) is on the Mediterranean. The rest of the article goes into detail about its history and culture. I think you're trying to make the first sentence accomplish more than it needs to. Largoplazo (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Proximity of Cyprus to Lebanon

It seems lazy and mis-informative to say in the lead that "Cyprus lies a short distance away from coastline". Cyprus is approximately 100 miles offshore of Lebanon. Changing the quoted phrase to "Cyprus lies 100 miles offshore of Lebanon" uses fewer words and is precise. This is important if you live in Cyprus or are planning to visit Cyprus for tourism, which contributes 10 percent of its GDP. I wouldn't be keen on taking a holiday somewhere "a short distance away" from Lebanon any time soon, but I'd be happy to holiday on an island one hundred miles away. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopaedia, yet its articles are littered with phraseology like this. Isn't this a clear example of WP:Weaselwords? Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

How exactly are you quantifying the distance between these two countries, and from where are we measuring? 100 miles (on the dot, rounded) is not as precise as one clearly presumes, so can you please go and fulfil your obligation to the wikipedia project and it's readership and provide and accurate measurement from a reputable reliable source to adhere resolutely to WP PRECISE. It may be necessary to note from where the distance is measured, for example it could be shorter or longer from Tyre than Beirut.

As nobody has had any qualms about this superflous tidbit factoid prior to this, your presumably good faith contribution to this talk page can otherwise be ignored unless anybody has any objections. Sincerely JJNito197 (talk) 02:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

How did I quantify the distance? I measured it on a map. And the shortest distance I measure is 100.67 miles. My source - a map. Any map. You can use Google Maps if you like. It gives the same result as the nautical chart I used. "Superflous tidbit factoid"? You are hilarious. Imagine an encyclopaedia specifying a distance! How superfluous! And that distance is between Cape Greco Penninsula (Cyprus) and Selaata (Lebanon). Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, you measured it on a map, figuring out yourself which pair of points in the respective countries are closer than any other pair of points in the respective countries. That makes it WP:OR.

Conversely, JJNito197, "a short distance away from" is too vague to be informative, whereas "approximately 100 miles", while still needing to be properly sourced, is at least informative. So given a citationless choice between the two, the latter makes more sense. Largoplazo (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The article says that Lebanon is bordered by Syria to the north and east, and by Israel to the south. It's not referenced. How are these things known? Could it also be "original research"? Perhaps someone who looked at a map and assumed these things?

N.B My sloppy phrase "approximately 100 miles" has been updated to "precisely 100.67 miles, from Cape Greco Peninsula to an outcrop near to Selaata, Lebanon". The reference for this is Google Maps. Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 15:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Anything that makes the lead longer than what is necessary would be difficult to follow for readability purposes per DUE WEIGHT. If we see the Israel page it specifies 'bordered by the Mediterranean Sea to the west'. In this case it would make more sense to keep this style, but include Cyprus, as in 'whilst Cyprus lies west across the Mediterranean sea'. This was also the standard on this article for many years. Whether or not this will perturb you from holidaying in Lebanon 'anytime soon' is irrelevant and we should not change the opening sentence to accommodate you. We could add a note to the sentence to elucidate further for those that want the distance quantified. Largoplazo if you have any better ways at structuring this please let us know. JJNito197 (talk) 16:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

As I mentioned in my original message, my proposed edit makes the lead shorter. Not longer.

Kindly stop being rude and disparaging in your replies, and from attributing faux-perturbation to me. I suggested an edit to sloppy encyclopaedic text. I did not say I was perturbed or "deeply concerned". Nor did I express the opinion that there are people out there who will "want specific mileage". But this is an encyclopaedia and people use the resource for facts, details and information. Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

One cannot assume that this project can cover everything and anything, despite your admiration and aspiration to do so. You already laid out your reasoning for the proposal, albeit in jest, I hope. JJNito197 (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

In jest? Do you follow current affairs? In the last 48 hours many countries including US, the UK, Australia, Sweden, France, Italy, Canada, South Korea, Saudi Arabia and Jordan have urged their citizens to leave Lebanon at the earliest possible opportunity; as the fear of an all-out war with Israel escalates.

So no. No jest. Anyone considering travelling to Cyprus would, I am sure, much prefer to know it is 100 miles away from Lebanon - not a short distance away.

Then there's the other reason - this is an encyclopaedia and it deals in facts, not WP:Weaslewords Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 17:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Regardless, the distance of the countries will remain the same in the foreseeable future, so specifying whether it is 100 miles or 10 miles as a pseudo-respite to accomodate or dissuade potential holiday goers is redundant and not helpful, considering that Lebanon exists as an entity separate from the machinations of world politics foremostly. One needs to understand that the tumultuous situation is expected to be exacerbated congruently, be it across the Mediterranean or on the immediate border. So if you are looking at a holiday anytime soon, I would imagine the best place to visit is ones own backyard. Kind regards JJNito197 (talk) 17:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Dispute resolution - please advise on most suitable arbitration process

Dear @JJNito197 I have asked for the following edit to be made to this article. In the format 'change X to Y', here is my request for you once more: X - "Cyprus lies a short distance away from the country's coastline" Y - "Cyprus lies approximately 100 miles from the country's coastline" using this link as a citation (or linking to any other publicly available measure such as Google Maps) https://ibb.co/VBKD0Pw which shows the exact shortest distance from coast to coast to be approximately 100.46 miles depending upon tides etc. My rationale is that the words "lies a short distance away from" are WP:Weaselwords and not worthy of an encyclopaedia of Misplaced Pages's prestige. You have refused this edit request several times and been deliberately obtuse, disparaging, belligerent and obfuscatory. You have also locked down this article. Can you advise me please, as a senior editor of the project, how I should go about escalating my complaint about your behaviour, and how I should seek arbitration from more competent editors? Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 22:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Personally as a Lebanese person I can attest that Lebanese culture is one of the ancient Mediterranean cultures of the world. It is favorable if Lebanon is not introduced as a “ country in West Asia “ rather a “ a Mediterranean country in the Levant “. I believe this is much more suitable.

I hope you accept my request and blessings 🙏🏼 LebaneseCanan (talk) 04:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: It already says it's in the Levant in the first sentence and that it's on the Mediterranean in the second. It's a description of the physical location of the country, not a characterization of its culture. Largoplazo (talk) 10:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Grouping of settlements

Might I suggest someone that knows the country that on a settlement's page, to start adding a "municipality" section in its infobox to show not just the governorate and district in which it is located, but the actual local government that it is subordinate, too? I think the Dahieh article - in both English and French - is a good example of this which doesn't really give a sense of what municipalities - or which municipalities if it crosses borders - it belongs to. It's basically written as if it's a municipality/local government, itself, though it also is heavily implied that it's made up of multiple cities.

Also, too, I've noticed that on most District articles they have a list of "cities and villages" or "cities and towns" section, and I imagine that these are simply settlements regardless of local government, but that's never made clear. Criticalthinker (talk) 09:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait, now I'm seeing shapefiles that have a third administrative level below "Districts" called "sub-districts" which appear to be smaller than the municipalities? I know all of these may not be functional, but what's going on? Someone please make sense of this and bring sources. Just as an example, which municipalities make up "Dahieh"? Criticalthinker (talk) 10:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Anyone? Criticalthinker (talk) 03:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Link to Arafat page

Arafat is mentioned without linking to his page or explaining who he was. Domwsr (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I've taken care of it! Largoplazo (talk) 10:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Very fast, thanks. Typo in Yassir/Yasser though? Domwsr (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, ha, you're right! Fixed. Largoplazo (talk) 16:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Lebanon (southern) vs Israel 104.138.152.29 (talk) 21:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Leading description

I think the lead should change from West Asia to Middle East. "West Asia" is barely a term that is only used by a few people, mostly by Geography teachers, Lebanon is always referred to as the core countries of the Middle East. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 20:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Ceasefire

The recent ceasefire fire between Israel and Hezbollah should be added to the last paragraph of the History section. Fyukfy5 (talk) 16:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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In the second paragraph, where it mentions “The 11th century saw the establishment of Crusader states, which fell to the Ayyubids and the Mamluks, and eventually the Ottomans”, after the word Ottomans, please add that it was part of the region known as Ottoman Syria. https://guides.library.illinois.edu/c.php?g=348323&p=2347109 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:E879:81B4:EADF:A345 (talk) 21:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. I think that's too much detail for a lead section. But if other editors disagree with me I'm happy for the change Ultraodan (talk) 11:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Claims about refugee camps not supported by citation

Perhaps these claims should not remain without citation.

"Many Islamist and Palestinian militias operate in refugee camps because of an agreement that prevents the Lebanese Army from entering them. Many people wanted by the Lebanese government are believed to have taken refuge in the camp as a result of the lack of Lebanese authority." Lonsuderforpresident (talk) 01:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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SUMMARY:

Proposal to add to the end of the last paragraph in the section "Military"

CURRENT TEXT:

Hezbollah effectively controls large portions of southern Lebanon, and has greater military strength than the Lebanese armed forces. The government of Lebanon has been unable or unwilling to prevent Hezbollah attacks on Israel, and violent conflict between Israel and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Many Islamist and Palestinian militias operate in refugee camps because of an agreement that prevents the Lebanese Army from entering them. Many people wanted by the Lebanese government are believed to have taken refuge in the camp as a result of the lack of Lebanese authority.

PROPOSED TEXT:

Hezbollah effectively controls large portions of southern Lebanon, and has greater military strength than the Lebanese armed forces. The government of Lebanon has been unable or unwilling to prevent Hezbollah attacks on Israel, and violent conflict between Israel and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Many Islamist and Palestinian militias operate in refugee camps because of an agreement that prevents the Lebanese Army from entering them. Many people wanted by the Lebanese government are believed to have taken refuge in the camp as a result of the lack of Lebanese authority. Lonsuderforpresident (talk) 00:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

done. Rainsage (talk)

References

1. Nashed, Mat. "Could rival Lebanese factions exploit a weakened Hezbollah?". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-12-01.
2. "What Is Hezbollah? | Council on Foreign Relations". www.cfr.org. Retrieved 2024-12-01.
3. Nashed, Mat. "Could rival Lebanese factions exploit a weakened Hezbollah?". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-12-01.
4. "What Is Hezbollah? | Council on Foreign Relations". www.cfr.org. Retrieved 2024-12-01.

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In ethnicities, Arab is a simplistic term for the nuances of Lebanese identities in Lebanon. Most Maronites identify as non-Arab (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/928004). Maclearie (talk) 19:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

im generally of the opinion that arabs shouldn't be classified a single united ethnic identity on wikipedia but that's very contnetious ⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 20:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rainsage (talk) 22:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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Please change the prime minister from najib mikati to nawaf salam 141.179.115.122 (talk) 22:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 20:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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