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| Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you believe that there is a reason to keep the redirect, you can request that ] wait a while before deleting it. To do this, affix the template '''<code>{{tl|hangon}}</code>''' to the page and state your intention on the article's ]. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.<!-- Template:Redirtypo-warn --> ] (]) 13:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| == Question on Japanese name == | |||
| You seem to think that ] should be deleted because {{tq|q=y|the topic does not seem to merit an inclusion in Misplaced Pages, since the criterion seems too recently introduced. In other words, there is no need to develop this draft}}. If you think that you should use the process at ]. If you do not want to do that, you could always ignore the draft, and if nobody edits it for six months it will get deleted anyway. | |||
| Attempting to turn the draft article into a redirect is the wrong thing to do.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 12:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Toddy1}} It was actually already deleted before by G13. I requested it to be undeleted to see if the topic is notable or if the draft contains some materials that need to be merged into the existing articles. As it turned out, the topic seems to be too recent so it probably doesn’t pass the notability but the notion was already mentioned in an existing article so I simply redirected it to that article. In my opinion, the redirect is preferable since anyone who disagrees with my editorial judgement can undo the redirect and develops the draft. Also, if the draft is deleted, to revisit the notability question later, we need to undelete it first: undoing the redirect is simpler and thus is more productive. What do you think? —- ] (]) 13:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Never mind... It's Kohayakawa (here on the English-WP, sometimes the order of Japanese names is equal to what is on the Japanese-WP, and other time it's different). It confuses me. :D ] (]) 03:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{hidden ping|Arjayay}}The logic that you are using would apply if you moved the draft into mainspace. But if you did that, it would be sensible to copy some sort of talk page discussion into the redirect-page's talk-page. | |||
| ::But the logic you are using does not work in draft-space. This is because in draft-space, ] will be deleted if it goes for a 6-month period with no edits. If the thing is going to remain in draft-space, then it should stay as an article (not as a redirect intended to mask an article). | |||
| == Plans == | |||
| ::Having redirects in draft-space works when you have two draft-space articles on identical subjects, and you merge them, and turn one into a redirect to the other. It is also works as a temporary thing when you move an draft from draft-space to main-space; but in that case, sooner or later, the draft-space redirect gets deleted.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 16:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I know that a few mathematics editors would like the WMF to take over. I don't think that's going to happen, and I doubt that you would like the result. First, I want to say that leaving mathematics to editors is not leaving it to "outsiders". That's leaving it to ''insiders''. Second, the WMF usually takes on projects that are too complicated and too large for individual volunteers, or projects that must be done now and no volunteer is willing or able to do. Flow and VisualEditor both fall into the "too complicated and too large" category; mathematics rendering does not fall into either. Thirdly, historically, most math work has been done by volunteers. As a result of this history, the real question isn't merely a neutral "Why doesn't the WMF do this?" Instead, the real question is "Why doesn't the WMF take control away from the volunteers who have been doing this for years, regardless of what those volunteers say?" | |||
| :::{{ping|Toddy1}} Sorry but I don’t think I quite follow. For example, it’s actually quite common that a draft turns out to cover a topic that is already covered in mainspace articles. In that case, the best course of action is to merge the draft into the existing articles (and I do that a lot). The case of this draft is actually quite similar to such a case: the notion this draft is about is already mentioned in one mainspace article. It is a common and preferable practice to leave a redirect after the merger instead of deleting the article since it would be easier to undo the merger if needed afterward. The "logic" of leaving the redirect instead of deletion is exactly the same: my editorial judgment was the topic is not notable but if some other editor thought differently, it would be easier to undo the redirect, develop the draft and then move it to the mainspace. By the way, I am very familiar with G13 but it doesn’t mean we must use G13 to handle drafts; redirecting is fine too. —- ] (]) 17:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| As a practical matter, if the volunteers who have been working on math rendering all said that they do not wish to continue, and no others were willing to begin, then the WMF might eventually take it over. But the volunteers are still active, and therefore I do not expect the WMF to try to take the project away from them. I don't believe that the WMF has any formal opinion about how mathematics rendering ought to be done. But from the informal ] chat that I overhear, if they had to make a decision today, the result would probably be to kill MathJax and then do nothing else for a long while due to lack of resources and a belief that serving PNGs, while suboptimal, doesn't cause the site to crash or otherwise represent an emergency. Therefore this is my conclusion: if your ultimate goal is to keep MathJax, then your goal is also to encourage volunteers to support math rendering themselves, at least for the foreseeable future. ] (]) 19:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::*If you want the draft deleted, go through a deletion process. | |||
| ::::*If you want the draft preserved but hidden behind a redirect, move the draft to mainspace immediately after changing it to a redirect. | |||
| ::::*Or leave it as a draft article, and see what happens. | |||
| ::::<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 19:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::{{ping|Toddy1}} Or just leave the redirect. Basically, you seem to think that is not an opinion, but it is an opinion since for example we leave a redirect when we merge drafts into the existing articles. I am not going to insist (not too important for me) but I just want to point out that a redirect is an option in addition to G13. —- ] (]) 19:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::{{ping|Toddy1}} So, do you still believe a redirect cannot be an option? (It’s just that from your non-response response, I cannot tell if you actually read and understand what I wrote above). —- ] (]) 08:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Yes I read it. But it does not make sense. And your following it up with the 8 July message suggests that this is important to you, even though on 6 July you said the opposite. That does not make sense either. If you do not want to develop the draft into an article, then please just leave it as a draft and maybe someone else will. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 15:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::{{ping|Toddy1}} I don’t understand why you respond with non-repose again. I asked "do you still believe a redirect cannot be an option?" You can say yes or no and preferably with some reasoning. Like I said, a draft in question isn’t too important for me but I would like to know why you think what you think. I am quite active on the draftspace. So, what is ''important'' for me is to know what other editors think about the draftspace. That’s why I was interested in knowing why you insist on G13 instead of a redirect. At least, I explained why leaving a redirect is preferable in some instances; if you think it didn’t make sense, again you can tell why, that’s a response. ] (]) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::If the draft article is left as a draft article, a number of things may happen: | |||
| ::::::::#Someone will read it and find it useful. | |||
| ::::::::#Someone will improve it. | |||
| ::::::::#Nobody will do anything, and eventually it will get deleted. | |||
| ::::::::There is no valid reason to turn the draft into a redirect. And if it were turned into a redirect, it would be appropriate to delete the redirect after 6 months. The policy at ] is not applicable, since the draft has not been moved to mainspace.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 22:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} Thank you very much for the reply, which I wasn't expecting. Nothing personal, but I don't think you have a understanding of the problem at all. Maybe it goes beyond your competence? For instance, the math rendering belongs to the category "too complicated and too large"; saying otherwise shows your lack of understanding. Why else do you think no one seems to be able to fix the broken system? The answer to the first question (why the WMF take-over) is because it is of interest to the WMF if it wants to keep the editors happy and attract the readers, the task that should not be left to the "outsider" volunteers. You said "I don't believe that the WMF has any formal opinion about how mathematics rendering ought to be done." and that's the problem I'm talking about. "No plan" is not a good plan. -- ] (]) 23:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::{{ping|Toddy1}} Thank you for the reply. I would say the logic doesn’t apply some instances. Besides the merger case mentioned above, another would be a case when a draft is a duplicate of an existing one in the mainspace; in that case, it is a common and preferable to redirect the draft. Just to confirm, you do agree there are some instances when redirecting is appropriate, right? You said “ There is no valid reason to turn the draft into a redirect. And if it were turned into a redirect, it would be appropriate to delete the redirect after 6 months”. This is plainly false. There is no such policy and is contrary to standard practices in the draftspace. —- ] (]) 10:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Do you think that "take away MathJax and replace it with PNGs" a desirable plan? If the WMF takes over now, that is the most likely plan. Perhaps "no plan" would be preferable to that plan. | |||
| ::::::::::We do not agree. ] shows that I am not the only person to disagree with you on this point. There is no value to Misplaced Pages in continuing this conversation. There comes a point in every debate where the debate itself has come to a natural end. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 17:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Math rendering does not belong to the category of "too complicated and too large" because it isn't. It might be too large for one person to do, part-time, in a couple of months, but it does not require a large team of engineers. As several editors have pointed out in these discussions, MathJax is added to websites all the time merely by inserting a couple of lines of code into the HTML. | |||
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:::::::::::{{ping|Toddy1}} Good. You finally answered my question. You are wrong (there is no prohibition on redirects as you seem to believe) but I agree we don’t need to continue the conversation. —- ] (]) 19:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} I had a feeling that we would go nowhere; this reminds me of those endless tiring phone call to the call center. I and (presumably the others) would much prefer to deal with someone who is actually competent and can get something done (what I want is not complain but see some action). As for the concrete "plan", the math editor community has already comes up with one; it is up to the WMF to implement it or not (it's not something for the editors). The last part of your reply is most disturbing; I wish you are joking. Which other website are you talking? Misplaced Pages articles on math topics are read and edited rather heavily. It is embarrassing that Misplaced Pages has poor software support for math. Or so I thought, but I guess you don't share the same feeling. But maybe it really speaks the truth. You want to make Misplaced Pages less geeky and we're obstacles to achieve that. That's the truth isn't it? I wish I misunderstood your message. -- ] (]) 01:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I certainly don't want a "less geeky" encyclopedia. If ] were up to me, I'd be blowing up piles of articles about minor actors and individual television episodes and songs about which nothing little more can be said than "it was kind of popular for two weeks six years ago". Also, articles about allegedly important university professors that are sourced only to their employers' websites. | |||
| ::::I will have to ask again for the names of favored math sites, since I don't remember them any longer. ] (]) 14:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::::http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ seems to be the most popular. It also depends on what your interests are, of course. ] (]) 18:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} Thank you for getting back to me. By "math", we was thinking of professional math. The site ] is a bit of joke as far as topics on professional-levels are concerned; it is the site for the general public (non-geeks.) I would view sites like ], or ] or ] to be Misplaced Pages competitors on the math topics that are not of interest to the general public. Against those, Misplaced Pages tends to win, judging by the number of times Misplaced Pages articles are cited in the discussion sites like ]. Not having the updated software support for math can be considered complacent; I think someone should be responsible/accountable for this and, as I said, it is part of the job of the WMF. -- ] (]) 21:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| {{outdent}}Hi Taku, I don't know if this interjection will help clear up confusion, or just create more, but I'll do my best. | |||
| {{collapsetop| I see from your userpage you are on semi-wikibreak, so I will collapse this so that you do not return to find a book :-) }} | |||
| First of all, I suggest you take to heart the core of what Whatamidoing is trying to tell you, which is this: if and when the volunteer-math-related-software-folks give up on wiki-math and stop volunteering, that is when the WMF will step in... because they prefer, when possible, to leave stuff to the volunteers, as is proper. I believe you are missing the second part of her message: SHOULD it occur, that the WMF takes over math-rendering-software, the outcome will be to drastically curtail the goal, and to drastically curtail the engineering-resources. Specifically, if the WMF is forced to be in charge of math-rendering, they (the WMF) will assign one part-time engineer the job of "serve all equations as PNGs pre-rendered on home PCs and then uploaded to Commons", which is very much not what you (Taku) would want to happen, and far more crucially, in such a force-to-take-over-scenario, they (the WMF) will change the '''overall goal''' of wikipedia-math-related-articles from competing with Professional-Graduate-University-Level-Serious-Math-Sites-Like-Planetmath to the drastically different goal of competing with General-Interest-Undergrad-Firendly-Consumer-Oriented-Fun-And-Awesome-Math-Sites-Like-Mathworld-By-Wolfram, or perhaps even worse, dumbing down the math articles to compete with Aimed-At-Elementary-Schoolkids-Games-Disguised-With-A-Thin-Layer-Of-Arithmetic-Sites-Like-Coolmath. Just as with the change from online-math-rendering to offline-math-rendering-via-PNG-upload, you will NOT like (as I understand it) the changes in the goals of math-support on wikipedia, that will most definitely occur (per my own experience and per WMF's assertion via their liason Whatamidoing), if and when the WMF feels they are forced to take over math-support, which they will do if and only if the volunteer-math-software-hackers literally give up. | |||
| ==Merging== | |||
| Does this make any sense? Whatamidoing is '''not''' trying to tell you that the WMF will not take over math-support, because the WMF could care less about math-support; she's trying to tell you, that if you succeed in your tactical goal, of getting the WMF to take over math-support, that you will be shooting yourself in the strategic foot, because your REAL goal of improving professional-level-online-math-rendering-support will not merely fail to be accomplished via WMF takeover, but quite the opposite, it will be sent back to the dark ages (PNG uploads) and quite likely permanently (goal-change from beat-planetmath to instead beat-wolfram-mathworld). In other words, the WMF '''does''' care about math-support, which is '''WHY''' they don't want to take over math-support! They know they would 'ruin' it, as far as professional-grade on-the-fly-rendering goes, if they had to (forced by circumstances) take over. By this line of reasoning, <code>quoth No Plan.... unquoth</code> counterintuitively is ''exactly'' the right plan. | |||
| Just a reminder that when proposing a merge, the justification goes on the talk page of the preferred target (not in the edit summary). That way, people can respond to your comment and hence allow a discussion. See Step 1 in ]. For the relevant merge, I've started on for you at ]. ] (]) 05:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Klbrain}} I don’t think it’s necessary mandatory. Sometimes the rationale for the merger is clear enough and the discussion is not needed. In fact, you can just go ahead and do the merger without putting a merger tag. Putting a merger tag and if no one opposes to it after several days passed, that would be a good enough indication that there is no opposition. (Unlike an afd, you don’t need sufficient support votes to do merger.) —- ] (]) 06:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I hope this explanation is clear. My constructive ''advice'' to you is that you ought to ''change your tactics''; instead of appealing to the WMF to "take over" math-rendering-support, and spend millions of bucks in a super-project a la ] (which I will note is '''still not working''' and maybe that gives you a further hint why Whatamidoing&WMF are resisting your clear calls to have them try their hand at ''far more complex'' professional math-rendering software)... you should instead focus your energy on recruiting new volunteer math-software-engineers. That does not mean that you cannot get some WMF moolah for this new tactic; if you can find a software engineer willing to improve the volunteer-driven-math-support-codebase, then you can apply for a WMF grant, and get some money to sweeten the pot a little for the said software engineer. It won't be millions of bucks, but a few thousand bucks for a year of weekends, might make the difference between being able to find a volunteer engineer, and not being able to. | |||
| ::I absolutely agree that discussion isn't always needed; the issue is that you recognised the need for an argument (hence in the edit summary), but put it a non-standard location. It was also in one edit summary, but not the other. If the case for a merge is clear (that two pages are clearly about the same subject), then I agree that a case isn't needed. I didn't think that this was the case here, as there are many theorms or lemmas named after people that look similar, but in fact are distinct. While I've done some maths in the past, it wasn't obvious to me, and therefore I suspect to many other readers. ] (]) 07:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::{{ping|Klbrain}} when you put a cleanup tag, it is often enough to put a reason in the edit summary since the expectation is that other editors would be reading edit summaries. I don’t think a merger tag is much different. Of course, it really depends on cases, though. —- ] (]) 08:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| A seemingly-similar but fundamentally different tactic, which for reasons I will mention shortly I most definitely do NOT recommend, would be to try and get some grant-monies to fund more intense work by existing volunteers; the advantage there is that they are already known to be interested. The disadvantage, obviously (to me at least), is that if you convert them from being pure volunteers to being partially-compensated, they might burn out on volunteering, once the grant-money runs out, an unintended side-effect. So I suggest you find an outsider, to entice into a thousand hours of work (or so) in exchange for a few thousand bucks of bonus-cash (aka $2/hr to $9/hr ... still mostly a volunteer!). | |||
| Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election have opened. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available ]. If you are interested in running, please sign up ''']''' by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the ]. ] (]) 06:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Most importantly of all, don't waste those thousand-hours-of-dev-time, trying to re-implement the wheel, and building a Grand New Software Ssytem, written from scratch with the highest expectations. That will fail miserably. Spend those thousand-hours-of-dev-effort, on the top-priority-tasks in the math-software-wikiverse, as defined and agreed upon by TWO groups: first, the heavy users of math-software for article-editing, and second, the existing volunteers that hack on the math-rendering-codebase. The reasoning here is that you want the result of the thousand-hours-of-dev-work to be 100% compatible with and 100% maintained by the existing all-volunteer-team, so they HAVE to be given a large say in how the thousand hours will be spent. You ''also'' do NOT want to offend your existing pure-volunteer-math-devs, by bringing in an outsider to 'clean up their mess'; instead, you want the situation to be perceived as (and in fact REALLY BE the actual intent) the recruiting of an employee, with the pure-volunteer-devs acting as the founders/managers/beneficiaries. This is not a difficult line to walk, as long as you are clear from the outset that 1) the new low-pay semi-volunteer dev is an employee, 2) the existing pure-volunteer devs are the bosses/managers of this new employee, and 3) the reason the new employee is being hired is because the existing codebase IS WORTH IMPROVING, and not because the existing codebase happens to have bugs or lack features. Finally, of course, you want to have the other 49% of the priority-setting-input come from the heavy users of the math-rendering-software (which in the tempEmployee/foundersBosses analogy fill the role of payingCustomers), so that the *specific* bugs that are fixed, and the *specific* features that are added, during that thousand hours of work by the tempEmployee, will be maximally useful to the article-editors for their work. | |||
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| (An aside on the gory details. You can set up the infrastructure however you like, but I suggest this: create a wiki-page that is a numbered list of potential priorities, briefly stated and they hyperlinked to some longer explanation where necessary, for instance entries like "idea#55 fix mathjax bugreport#1234" and also "idea#77 add mathjax support for inlin torus rendering feature". Once you have a list of ideas, bang-vote on them, but weight the bang-votes by edit-count for the payingCustomers and by commit-count-to-the-math-software-repos for the foundersBosses. Then, create a second wiki-page, which gives the same ideas (idea#77 and idea#55 and all the others), but this time ordered by their calculated-top-priority-scores. To calculate the *ordering* of the priority-list-page, that will end up being assigned (from the top down) as tasks to the temp-employee-slash-quasi-volunteer, the bang-votes for each priority-list-idea are added up, with 51% of the final score-total for each idea coming from commit-count-weighted bangvotes by math-devs and the other 49% score-total coming from edit-count-weighted bangvotes by math-editors. In cases where a single human is both a math-dev and also a math-editor, their input is simply double-counted, with weighted contributions to both the math-dev-51% and also the math-editor-49% portions of the idea-score; not-so-incidentally which will encourage math-devs to be editors and encourage math-editors to become devs. Rather than set a deadline for bangvotes followed by a hat-closure, just leave the idea-list open 24/7/365, so anybody is free to add a new idea, or change their bangvotes, and periodically re-calculate the score-totals, say once every couple of weeks or so; that way, if during the thousand-hour-timeframe it becomes obvious to everyone that top-priority idea#88 is technically unworkable for some previously-unforeseen reason, you can simply strike the bangvotes for it, which upon recalculation will demote idea#88 on the ordered-priority-list from the top position down to some nice-to-have-someday position further down the ordered-priority-list. See also ], of which this scheme is a wiki-specific modification; you only need to "count" support-bangvotes when you weighted-recalculate the priority-list-ordering, in other words. People are free to '''comment''' and to '''oppose at this time''' and even to '''oppose forevermore''' if they wish, on specific ideas or on all ideas of a particular subset-class, but if the number of weighted-support-bangvotes remains high anyways despite the peer-pressure, then that specific idea may well become top-five-priority. To mitigate this possibility, if you want, you can work out some kind of weighted-subtraction-scheme for including some measure of the oppose-bangvotes in the scoring, like in ] elections, but I believe that to be unnecessary, because the ideas with heavy support-bangvotes will rise to the top no matter what, and ideas with strong opposition will inherently not have enough support-bangvotes to do the same. End of the gory details.) | |||
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| Perhaps most importantly of all... if you do it right, when you set up the infrastructure of pure-volunteer-devs as foundersBosses and heavy article-editors as payingCustomers who work together to prioritize a list of low-hanging-fruit for the tempEmployee-slash-quasi-Volunteer to work on, you can repeat the process iteratively and indefinitely: the math-editors will have formed a strong working relationship with the math-hackers, and they will be able to jointly formulate a *second* priority-list for the *second* WMF grant, after the money in the first one runs out, and then a *third* grant and so on. Pretty soon, in this fashion, you'll have achieved your strategic goal, of getting solid software support for online-on-the-fly professional-grade math-rendering-support, baked into wikipedia. By contrast, if you keep asking for the WMF to take that work off your hands, they may just be forced to do it... but not in the way that you are wishing they would, quite the opposite in fact. ] If you want to "see some action" to improve math-support then your best bet is to shift your focus away from the WMF and take the bull by the horns with volunteer and quasi-volunteer devs; if you should be unlucky enough to ever "see some action" from the WMF itself, what you would end up seeing would be almost be the polar opposite of what you wish to occur. They are not the right people for this job, and luckily for all concerned, ''they know it''. Taku, please do not make the mistake of thinking that since Whatamidoing is not personally competent to build some vast multi-million-dollar software system (what individual human is? no offense to ] intended) that will fully and properly support professional-grade online-math-rendering, that you just need to escalate your helpdesk call to Jimbo, or failing that, to some other hypothetically-more-competent person, hiding somewhere deep in the bowels of the WMF, who can magically satisfy your wish. There is no such person; you are seeking a chimera. What you are hearing from Whatamidoing, is that the WMF simply flat-out ''CANNOT'' undertake, the job you are wishing them to do, in the way you wish them to do it. That is 100% correct, for the reasons I outlined above. | |||
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| Hope this helps, appreciate your work on helping wikipedia improve, talk to you later. ] (]) 13:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
| : Oh, and p.s. the correct goal for wikipedia methinks is to compete with planetmath et al, as our first priority, and then *expand* our capabilities and our feature-set, and *widen* our focus and our content-goals, so that we can also simultaneously and in addition, compete also with mathworld et al. (Someday we may even get so good and so broad that we can compete with cool-math.) But first things first, the initial goal of the process-iterations should be fixing up our planetmath-style features and our planetmath-style bugfixes. Once those are 90% done with no more low-hanging-fruit, future process-iterations can broaden our math-support so that we can effectively compete with mathworld, too. ] (]) 13:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| ::: Post-post-script, I ''also'' see from your userpage that you know Java and C and GoLang, so you know something about programming; I know some LaTeX and some Javascript and some PHP and some other languages that might be useful, if you decide to change tactics as I suggest above, I would be happy to help get you the ball rolling. I don't have time to become a full volunteer-math-dev, or a thousand-hour-quasi-compensated-volunteer-dev either, but as a heavy-math-article-reader it is in my own best interests to see the heavy-math-article-editors smiling and content. I'm happy to take a shot at "Fixing That Which Cannot{{cn}} Be Fixed" in the current codebase, in collaboration with you and the rest of the math-editors and math-devs already involved. Let me know if you want to discuss further, or whatever, when you return from your semi-break. Thanks for listening, talk to you later. ] (]) 23:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :Because it is useful? The linked page lists several instances of Michael's theorems. Of course, it can be linked in any other places but I don’t see why the page is irrelevant. —- ] (]) 09:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ::] isn't even supposed to be linked from other articles, which is why I think disambiguation pages typically don't have external links. I doubt many people are going to look at it. ] ] ] 17:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::I know disambig pages are not meant to be read by our readers. But the link is still useful for editors who need to know about the usage of Michael's theorem. —- ] (]) 04:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Your average Misplaced Pages editor will be able to Google pretty well. How is that specific link more useful to editors than the Misplaced Pages articles already linked or anything you could find on the search engine? ] ] ] 04:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Google results can sometimes not be useful, and so following a link is easier. Generally speaking, I don’t think putting an info that *could* be useful for the purpose of disambig is a bad idea. —- ] (]) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::@] And why is it less useful than the Misplaced Pages articles already linked? ] ] ] 05:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I didn’t say “less useful”. An external link is complementary and is not redundant since the paracompact article has a lot more stuff not just his theorems. —- ] (]) 06:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::But why is it useful to compliment a disambiguation page with an external link when there are two internal links already present? ] ] ] 07:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Because a priori it is not clear what are possible ambiguous terms that can exist. In fact, there is more than one Michael's theorem currently listed in the disambig and that can only be known from an external link or some other Misplaced Pages articles. —- ] (]) 07:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::An editor would know how to click on the articles in the disambiguation page, though. ] ] ] 18:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::Basically you are arguing that other links suffice. I am not disagreeing with that, but on the other hand, it makes some sense to have other info relevant to the page, even if it might be redundant. (Some redundancy is useful since it can be used to check for accuracy.) — ] (]) 02:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::Why not just add the disambiguation page to your watchlist to make sure no one inserts inaccurate information? Because, as much as I hate to say this, it's not like the ]s who'd actually view the disambiguation page would check the page for subtle factual errors. ] ] ] 07:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::In Misplaced Pages, in principle, everything should be checkable from references. This is because editors will come and go and so we shouldn't solely rely on particular editors for accuracy, including disambig pages. (The external link in question is not for factual accuracy but just for references though.) -- ] (]) 08:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| {{unindent|:::::::::::::}} I mean, yeah, we shouldn't rely on particular editors for accuracy (] and all that); thankfully, if you aren't around, it's quite likely someone elese will step up to plate. Aren't sources all about making sure the articles are factually accurate? ] ] ] 18:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, I think we both agree on this. The difference here is an external link isn’t quite a source. Generally, external links should be ''dispensable''; i.e., without them, articles should stand on their own. You argument is especially an external link is dispendable, which I don’t disagree. I disagree with the removal of some relevant info even if it dispensable. —- ] (]) 10:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I actually regard external links as a source, just not an inline citation. I think other Wikipedians would agree. ] ] ] 15:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::When I say a source, I meant a reliable source and external links are usually not counted as reliable sources (even when they are reliable). —- ] (]) 07:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Really? Where did you encounter that belief? I certainly don't share it. A lot of the "cite" templates have a URL= or link= parameter, and {{tl|cite web}} is very commonly used. Generally, "reliable source" means "went through editorial oversight." ] ] ] 01:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Sorry, when I said an external link, I meant to say an item listed in the external links section. I didn’t mean url links to websites. —- ] (]) 06:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Aren't almost all url links external links? ] ] ] 16:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Saying url or web links would be less ambiguous. What I meant was in the above, when I said “external links”, I was using that as a short cut for “items listed in the external links section”, which obviously created unnecessary confusion. —- ] (]) 06:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::@] Ah. Let's circle back as why to a disambiguation page needs an external links section. ] ] ] 08:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::I think (again) it’s because the page in nlab is relevant to the disambig page in question. I agree a discussion of the theorem can and should appear elsewhere in Misplaced Pages but the nlab page contains relevant and useful info and so having a link to it seems reasonable. —- ] (]) 07:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::@] But wouldn't people (reader or editor) just go to the article for relevant information? ] ] ] 08:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::People shouldn’t go to a disambig page in the first place. There should be no links to disambig pages (instead, links should be direct links to articles). But, for example, some editors, trying to organize articles in Misplaced Pages, might be interested in the corresponding nlab page. Yes, they can also use Google but it would also be convenient if there is already a link in a disambig page that they can follow. —- ] (]) 05:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| {{unindent|:::::::::::}} Speaking as someone who has edited from disambiguation pages with DisamAssist to make sure there are no links to disambig pages I'm more curious about getting the links pointed in the right direction, and an external link on the disambiguation page wouldn't help with that. ] ] ] 08:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Hm, maybe that explains a lot. I don’t use such tools myself and any extra info like a link in the external link section can be helpful. For example, to figure out any missing items. It is not always the case that disambig pages are comprehensive and sometimes you may have to retarget a link to non-existing ones (i.e., red links). —- ] (]) 07:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've "redlinked" while disambiguating pages sometimes; I've generally done so by actually reading the intro paragraph of the articles themselves. ] ] ] 07:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Of course, articles themselves are useful info for disambig pages, but sometimes Misplaced Pages doesn’t have articles on certain topics and in that case, external sources are helpful. —- ] (]) 07:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Even in that case, I use context instead of external links to determine where the red link should go. ] ] ] 07:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Again, I am not disagreeing that that is possible but my point is, in additional to that, websites outside Misplaced Pages can also be useful source of info. —- ] (]) 09:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Actually, it's going to be substantially less useful than you think. Not enough people are going to read an external link to help disambiguate. ] ] ] 17:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I didn’t say it is useful for *many* people. But if it were useful in some limited instances, it might not be a bad thing. —- ] (]) 11:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::Not a problem at all. I think it makes sense to consider the matter from a broader perspective (i.e., how disambig pages can benefit from some additional info). —- ] (]) 07:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::The consensus, if I am not mistaken, is that a mass change to templates is undesirable and unproductive. Do you disagree with me on this impression? I'm not against the cleanup and format improvement; I simply reverted whole changes since they are too large for close reviews. This is one of the reasons why the mass changes are not productive; it's hard to tell what is improved and what got damaged. Finally about the complexity: if a formula is complex, <nowiki><math></nowiki> is a good option in my view although on some browsers they don't render well (they look good on my browser). -- ] (]) 23:44, 28 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::First, ''now'' you are saying they are too large for review, while before you objected to the nature of change (to {{math ...}} calling it ugly and whatnot. Second, when you suggest <nowiki><math></nowiki> it shows that you didn't bother to read my response above or examine the article in question. The problem is not the complexity of the formula, you made a claim that {{math ...}} was hard to learn and to edit, and I responded by saying that in plain html you need to constantly use "nbsp" to avoid breaking even small formulas. The result is that you get a very long block of continuous text without any spaces which is way harder to understand and edit than anything in {{math ...}}. ] (]) 06:33, 29 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| ::With html if you don't want breaks you have to use nbsp for every single space in that formula! That makes even very simple formulas to look hugely complicated when editing. Just go back to the page we started this argument on and look the code for the example. ] (]) 00:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::I know that and the alternative <nowiki><math></nowiki> is thus preferable. -- ] (]) 00:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :No, the result of the discussion was not to overturn the deletion. The result was to endorse the deletion and you decided to ignore that result because you didn't like it and substitute your preferred outcome instead. Recreating the page with exactly the same content is ]. I have no problem with you recreating this page provided you include some more content than ""Carathéodory rank of a set is". And please stop adding comments to the DRV discussion, that discussion has been closed. ''''']''''' 07:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::We must be looking at the different discussion; regarding this, I have posted my comment at ]. (The length of the page is irrelevant since the question is the legitimacy of the deletion.) -- ] (]) 23:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::What people have to follow is the closure of the discussion, not their own personal interpretation of consensus in a discussion. If you don't like this closure and want it changed then speak to the closing administrator or file something at ], although I don't think you're going to be taken terribly seriously at the latter venue. ''''']''''' 07:10, 6 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::This would sound childish but I didn't start it! The article was just a draft; it is incomplete by definition. This thing started because the admin "mistook" it as a test page; I merely wanted to point out an error and admins can't admit they are wrong. How pathetic! In any case, I will just move on; this is not worth my time. -- ] (]) 00:47, 7 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == C. rank == | |||
| Can you put together a complete sentence on this topic? I'm a decent mathematician (PhD in a related field, published in SODA) but this is well outside of my area and I can't write something that defines the term clearly. One sentence, ideally with a source, will prevent the (rather bogus IMO) deletion of the draft article. With the source, you could move it to mainspace as a stub--it's not the most mainstream term in the world, but there are plenty of sources which let it meet ]. ] (]) 05:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :I can and I'm planning to complete the draft in the future (it's just a matter of a library trip to find a ref.) In any case, the issue is whether the speedy deletion criterion applies or not, not really math. -- ] (]) 23:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Talkback== | |||
| {{talkback|Stifle|ts=09:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)}} | |||
| ] (]) 09:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == ] and redirects == | |||
| Hey, just a heads up: you reverted an ]. Yes, I only noticed it now. Yes, it was 7 years after it was decided, but you literally just...reverted the article to the pile of mess it was. There's really nothing new there from its AfD ... jeez, nearly 10 years ago? I mean, I'm not going to rain on the parade here, but maintaining an independent article here isn't worth it. ] 05:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Two things: (1) there is actually no content on FTFF in ]; so the redirect is a disservice to the readers. (2) I looked at the AfD; the outcome seems to be "no consensus" rather than merger/redirect. I can agree to bring the article to AfD. -- ] (]) 06:54, 16 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Since I was the closing admin, I can explain the reasoning for merge-and-redirect: the primary pile of "keep" votes were SPA's (do people still say sockpuppets?) sent from Ars. The information contained in FTFF is referenced in a single line in the article it redirects to. That's pretty much all the actual information necessary on the topic. That the criticism section on the Finder article was edited down is roughly irrelevant (IMO). It's there. ] 03:16, 19 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| Thanks for trying to expose RHaworth.--] (]) 00:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| {{unblock reviewed| reason=I have never made a death threat; I just wanted to warn the user in the strongest possible language. The "actions" therefore refer to something more formal like deletion review, nothing physical. Finally, I regret the misunderstanding I might have caused and I intend to remove the comments there. -- ] (]) 23:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)|decline=I agree with Sandstein that you are temperamentally unsuited to participating in a collaborative project. ] (]) 02:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)}} | |||
| As the editor who first pointed out the "capital crime" comment during the DRV, I feel some measure of responsibility and I find this block excessive. His comment was hyperbolic, yes, but it's not a death threat and I doubt anyone understood it as one. Taku's been here in 2002 and shouldn't be indefinitely blocked over this. I think a warning would be sufficient in this case. {{ping|Sandstein|PhilKnight}} I'd like to unblock Taku on the understanding that he's been warned. ] ] 00:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| : No objection from me. ] (]) 00:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::No objection in principle either, but I think that the view of the user at whom the threat was directed, {{user|RHaworth}}, should be sought also. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 12:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks; I've unblocked. Inasmuch as RHaworth never requested a block and never reacted to Taku's second posting (in fact he's given every appearance of treating this with the lack of importance it deserved), I think we're done here. Taku, please be more careful and considerate in your interactions with other Wikipedians. ] ] 13:07, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Actually some problematic users like RH don't deserve respect; they need to be expelled from Misplaced Pages so actual editors can get to the work of building the encyclopedia. I will retire for time being (I don't have time to play the game) but hopefully, I can/will come back when the project becomes more hospitable to content creators. -- ] (]) 22:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Every editor sets the terms of their own participation. You're unblocked and free to edit. ] ] 23:20, 27 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Not to reply to this, but there is some ranting now at ]. -- ] (]) 00:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::* I was tempted to re-block Taku for his comment about me above. The incredible thing is that that all I have done to Taku is delete ] (36 bytes long and not edited since 2015-04-10) and ] (39 bytes long and not edited since 2014-07-19). His reactions to both deletions were just totally over the top. — ] (] '''·''' ]) 15:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::* {{ping|RHaworth}} The byte amount isn't relevant; ] is a crime regardless of the dollar amount. The issue is that you lack the understanding that some editors are here to build the encyclopedia. You are clearly here for the other reasons (I don't speculate on specifics) and I cannot work with someone who doesn't share the same goal. You also moved ] to the main space; perhaps you thought it was complete. It wasn't (especially the last section) and now you need to finish it. -- ] (]) 23:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| Since you've significed you won't have time to do any work to get these drafts above the bare minimum necessary in the forseeable future, I'd like to offer you an alternative to MFD/CSD nominations across the board: If I come across one of these, I will move it to your ] and drop you a note letting you know what I've moved so that you can work on improving it at your leisure. Would that work for you? If I don't hear back in 24 hours, I intend to use this as opposed to MFDing them. ] (]) 13:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :So you're offering me a cease-fire? There is no way; we need to keep fighting until the end of the time. Unfortunately I cannot back-down since if I do, that would be morale-boost for the deletionist movement. -- ] (]) 21:49, 24 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::No, I was offering a compromise, but go ahead and make it a "you vs me" debate, because you'll lose that argument and get all the drafts deleted. ] (]) 22:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| == Draft == | |||
| I take the firm view that everything in the draft: namespace must have an AfC tag to ensure that the bots will pick it up if it becomes a stale draft. I have therefore moved ] to ]. — ] (] '''·''' ]) 16:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Please just don't take such a stance; that's clearly against the community consensus. The draft namespace is not only for AfC pages. -- ] (]) 16:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| * To be fair, the discussions at ] abjectly refuse to interpret this in that way and ]. A listing of non-AFC draftspace non-redirect pages with that level of inactivity is available at ] showing approximately 8000 of such pages. There's an RFC I've proposed hoping to resolve this another way but it's not relevant at this moment. -- ] (]) 04:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello TakyuaMurata, in regards to ], the page under discussion (]) was moved to '''your''' sandbox, where it is still available (see ]). There is nothing else to do on that MFD. I am reclosing it with a more detailed explanation. — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Please check the page. <strike>RH is lying to you.</strike> RH is not telling the truth; also, he cannot just move a draft page to the user page. -- ] (]) 19:33, 23 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm leaving this to the two of you to work out. Suffice it to say, administrators '''can''' move pages between namespaces (such as draft->user); whether or not we '''should''' is a more subjective matter. — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| == Drafts == | |||
| You can seek community consensus quite easily without using the RfC template. I suggest this topic is not ripe for RfC yet, and you will get useful feedback without that mechanism. Regards — Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 08:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Why is it not ripe for RfC? I'm not looking for mere inputs but I really want the community to work on some specific carefully-worded standards for draft articles. If you think I'm not doing RfC right procedure-wise, you can make necessary changes. -- ] (]) 08:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think you should just try to discuss it first. You are likely to get good response from editors watching that page without needing to draw in other editors. — Martin <small>(] · ])</small> 09:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ah, I see. I think now I got what you meant. (I will remove the template RfC for now,) -- ] (]) 09:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Reversion of administrative action == | |||
| Explain '''immediately'''. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 08:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Because the closing was incorrect. See below. What we need, as suggested in the discussion page, is to restore the page and "then" close the discussion. -- ] (]) 23:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == May 2016 == | |||
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| :This is ridiculous. The problem is that the page was not moved to my sandbox; I have redirected the page but that page is completely "unrelated". I cannot undo the history merge, which was wrongly done, and we need an admin for that undoing. Please do not close the discussion before you actually learn the situation. -- ] (]) 23:04, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Unblock requested == | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=There seems to be misunderstanding. I undid the closing since it was based on the misunderstanding that the page in question has been restored. It has not. The content in my sandbox was incompletely "unrelated" but the deleted draft was inserted into the page history of the sandbox. This block in turn is based on the misunderstanding that I'm asking for overrunning the deletion of the restored content (this is wrong as I explained). I have said "we need an admin" since I cannot undo the history merge. | decline = The block has already expired. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "]" (]) 16:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)}} | |||
| For the sake of clarity, is unrelated material (it's about Chow's lemma not about ].) This is the reason I keep saying the content has not been restored. -- ] (]) 23:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Ok. Here is the proposal. I will ''manually'' undo the history merge meantime we keep closing the discussion. But I want to know I will not get blocked by doing this (manually restoring the draft page.) -- ] (]) 23:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ec}}For the reviewing admin's benefit, was the edit that immediately precipitated the block, in addition to the one Coffee linked above. I'm not going to decline unblock myself, because I'm sufficiently annoyed by this user's behavior at DRV that I doubt my neutrality, but I think a 24-hour timeout is, if anything, lenient.{{pb}}TakuyaMurata, you've really brought this problem on yourself. Without exception, every one of your deletion reviews requested this year - ], ], ], ], and now ] - have been overreactions, which almost certainly would have been restored by the deleting admin if you had asked politely, and which I guarantee you would have been restored immediately withut comment at ] had you asked there. There's no reason for the more adversarial DRV process, and in particular was absolutely no justification for the continued discussion after I extended you an olive branch at ]. This persistence in personalizing what should be entirely drama-free restoration requests is what's made everyone lose patience with you, to the point where we probably would have rebuked ] for the history merge you're complaining about now had he done it to any other user's draft. —] 23:54, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::Now you're trying to provoke me. I don't need to get into "drama"; I'm being dragged into the one. There would have been no drama, had ] not merged two unrelated pages or had just undone the merger. There would have been no dram if there is no policy-volating deleletions, moves and messing with the page histories. I am being forced into the drama I have no interest in participating. REFUND is the process for the restoration of normal deletion. I know the process and I'm sidestepping that process on the purpose. I have already proposed the comprise that I will undo the history merge manually. I have actually been contributing to Misplaced Pages for years. It is the administrative stuff that needs to awake to the fact that they are interfering with the normal editing activity in Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 00:05, 31 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| *Taku, that wasn't a smart move. Were I an admin, I don't think I'd have blocked in that case for a number of reasons. The right way forward was to contact the admin on his talk page and discuss things. In fact when I saw the close I went to the blocking admin's page as I expected you to do exactly that. | |||
| :@Cryptic: The whole thing was a clusterfuck. The original deleting admin screwed up more than once here and Taku is right to be upset. ] (]) 01:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == notation conventions == | |||
| Please take note of my edits to ]. In the expression | |||
| : ''r''<sub>1</sub>, ..., ''r''<sub>''m''</sub> in ''R'' and ''g''<sub>1</sub>, ..., ''g''<sub>''m''</sub> | |||
| the subscript ''m'' is italicized and the subscript 1 is not, because that matches ] style, thus: | |||
| : <math> r_1 g_1 + \cdots + r_m g_m \, </math> | |||
| I changed this: | |||
| : <math> \oplus_{g\in G} R\to M\, </math> | |||
| to this: | |||
| : <math> \bigoplus_{g\in G} R \to M \, </math> | |||
| This parallels the fact that <math>\cup</math> is used in things like | |||
| : <math> A \cup B \, </math> | |||
| or | |||
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| I've the restorations to draft space you requested here, as they would be controversial. Normally controversial move requests are handled at an RM, but I felt it would be inappropriate to do so as controversial draftifications from mainspace are typically handled as a part of the AfD process. I'm pinging {{u|Hasteur}} so they are aware of this as well. ] (]) 15:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|TonyBallioni}} I agree this is a controversial move and should be handled by RM. For the time being, the page should then be in the original location. -- ] (]) 15:20, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::My point was that we typically don't handle restorations to draft space through the RM process, nor do we handle promotions to mainspace that way. If several editors think something should be in mainspace, and others think it isn't fit for mainspace, the typical route to send it back to draft is through a deletion discussion per ]. I have no bone in the fight over drafts: as one of the people who routinely works at RM/TR and RM closings, however, I was both uncomfortable executing the requested move or procedurally starting an RM. There is of course, nothing preventing you from starting one on the talk page, but these things are typically handled in deletion discussions, so I doubt it would go far (just advice from a neutral observer). ] (]) 15:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::{{ping|TonyBallioni}} I understand you're neural. If the controversial move was done unilaterally without discussion, the right thing to do is to revert it and then have an RM. Correct? I have resubmitted the requests. -- ] (]) 15:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I've left a note there with my reasonings and will let someone else review it. I'm certainly not perfect, so other opinions at RM/TR are valued to review my decline. Typically we ''don't'' deal with this sort of move through RMs (at least not in my experience), and promotions from draftspace typically only require a good faith editor to believe that there is a 50-60% chance that it will pass AfD. I'll step out of this now and let another volunteer there review. ] (]) 15:36, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| Wow I just read this userpage. Taku - this is not a war, we are here to build an imperfect encyclopedia. Oh, and this edit is not correct. 6 months has been determined as Abandoned. An editor that has been away for 6 months and finds a page deleted can ask for a ]. We would expect that editor to actually improve the Refunded page amd not just continue hosting it in Draft space. ] (]) 15:42, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Legacypac}} Sorry. By "away", I mean away from editing the page but is still active in Misplaced Pages. It shouldn't have to be war but you have managed to make it one. -- ] (]) 15:57, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry you've been warring to keep a walled garden of drafts in draftspace long before I started cleanup there. ] (]) 16:42, 25 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| Please see ]. I hope you don't mind that I added the copy to ]. You are of course welcome to revert my edit, but I thought it might be useful to have a page where the work can be easily browsed. ] (]) 11:45, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :I have no problem if you create such a page; the only problem is the location. The typical location would be at your user page: ]. Free feel to rename the page name. -- ] (]) 18:51, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::Taku you are Impossible. You need to be blocked. This is pure disruption. ] (]) 18:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::But if you created some text from existing text for the "browsing" purpose (and no other purpose), then the proper location to put it is one's user page; not someone else's. If I complied some list, then place it at your user-page as opposed to mine, that would be disruptive. -- ] (]) 19:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::These are Taku's notes. They may not even be meaningful to other editors. ] (]) 19:35, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Just because they are started by me doesn't mean they belong to me. Isn't that your argument: they belong to the community. And the fact they, or some of them at least, survived deletion attempts means the community prefers to keep them. -- ] (]) 19:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| He moved the page and deleted the redirect several times, breaking all the many links to the page from discussions. I've requested PP for the redirect. ] (]) 20:19, 27 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| {{unblock reviewed | 1=<span class="template-ping">@]:</span> Well, this seems a bit shortsighted. I probably reverted one or two times but after following the discussion at the talkpage. Also, each change was slightly different from the previous ones to address the concerns in the talkpage. Besides I get blocked, while the other side isn't? Not fair! -- ] (]) 02:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC) | decline = Based on the statements you've made here and below, I'm doubtful that you have properly understood the edit warring policy. ] ]] 08:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)}} | |||
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| ::No, no, I'm being puzzled by why I got blocked in the first place. I don't believe I violated the R3 rule, for instance. That's what I'm disputing. -- ] (]) 04:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| :As the filing editor of the Edit Warring request, I would like all admins to know that Taku premptively sees consensus when clearly their edits are disputed and consensus is murky at best. I believe it would be best if the block remained in place so that Taku may comprehend and take on board ] not giving licence to "B-R-R-R-D" (Reverting 3 times then discussing). I would also like Taku to understand that the status quo ante (what existed before the change) is what is supposed to be reverted to when there is a dispute about a change in '''any''' namespace. Finally I would note that the page for which Taku was blocked over was disruption that was moved from ] after Taku attempted to cast FUD on the ] being accurate. ] (]) 12:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| ::I am not the author of the draft; in particular, there is zero conflict of interest. —- ] (]) 12:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Taku please stop the incessent edits to policy and help pages to support your crusade to keep your notes in Draft space. Also, do not start any more discussions pretending to not understand what various Misplaced Pages space pages say. Either you are too stupid to understand simple Englsh (which I know not to be the case) or you are deliberately trying to manipulate other users into saying things to support your nonsense. I may stop answering your logic defying questions and just hatting your disruption. ] (]) 18:52, 17 September 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::If your judgment is in any way clouded by your interest in the subject, you should consider that a ]. As you seem keen on pushing incomplete maths drafts into article space, that seems to me to be a COI. Why not work on them yourself in draft space and submit them for review? - ] ] 13:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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::::My interest in mathematics is coi?? I highly doubt that’s how the policy/guideline works. COI concerns arise if the topic of the article is somehow related to publications by you and such. Like I said, I don’t know any of authors listed in the article personally and I haven’t published anything on the topic. So zero COI, like I said. If your concern is about the incompleteness of the article, then I can be more sympathetic but usually articles in mainspace develop better so again drafting isn’t a good idea in my opinion. —- ] (]) 13:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
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You requested IP block exemption, and it has been granted. Please note that the email address you provided with your request is listed as not valid. Should you wish to have IPBE extended, please send a brand new email with a current email account. Risker (talk) 01:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Constrained minimum criterion
You seem to think that Draft:Constrained minimum criterion should be deleted because the topic does not seem to merit an inclusion in Misplaced Pages, since the criterion seems too recently introduced. In other words, there is no need to develop this draft
. If you think that you should use the process at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion. If you do not want to do that, you could always ignore the draft, and if nobody edits it for six months it will get deleted anyway.
Attempting to turn the draft article into a redirect is the wrong thing to do.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: It was actually already deleted before by G13. I requested it to be undeleted to see if the topic is notable or if the draft contains some materials that need to be merged into the existing articles. As it turned out, the topic seems to be too recent so it probably doesn’t pass the notability but the notion was already mentioned in an existing article so I simply redirected it to that article. In my opinion, the redirect is preferable since anyone who disagrees with my editorial judgement can undo the redirect and develops the draft. Also, if the draft is deleted, to revisit the notability question later, we need to undelete it first: undoing the redirect is simpler and thus is more productive. What do you think? —- Taku (talk) 13:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- The logic that you are using would apply if you moved the draft into mainspace. But if you did that, it would be sensible to copy some sort of talk page discussion into the redirect-page's talk-page.
- But the logic you are using does not work in draft-space. This is because in draft-space, Draft:Constrained minimum criterion will be deleted if it goes for a 6-month period with no edits. If the thing is going to remain in draft-space, then it should stay as an article (not as a redirect intended to mask an article).
- Having redirects in draft-space works when you have two draft-space articles on identical subjects, and you merge them, and turn one into a redirect to the other. It is also works as a temporary thing when you move an draft from draft-space to main-space; but in that case, sooner or later, the draft-space redirect gets deleted.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: Sorry but I don’t think I quite follow. For example, it’s actually quite common that a draft turns out to cover a topic that is already covered in mainspace articles. In that case, the best course of action is to merge the draft into the existing articles (and I do that a lot). The case of this draft is actually quite similar to such a case: the notion this draft is about is already mentioned in one mainspace article. It is a common and preferable practice to leave a redirect after the merger instead of deleting the article since it would be easier to undo the merger if needed afterward. The "logic" of leaving the redirect instead of deletion is exactly the same: my editorial judgment was the topic is not notable but if some other editor thought differently, it would be easier to undo the redirect, develop the draft and then move it to the mainspace. By the way, I am very familiar with G13 but it doesn’t mean we must use G13 to handle drafts; redirecting is fine too. —- Taku (talk) 17:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- If you want the draft deleted, go through a deletion process.
- If you want the draft preserved but hidden behind a redirect, move the draft to mainspace immediately after changing it to a redirect.
- Or leave it as a draft article, and see what happens.
- -- Toddy1 (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: Or just leave the redirect. Basically, you seem to think that is not an opinion, but it is an opinion since for example we leave a redirect when we merge drafts into the existing articles. I am not going to insist (not too important for me) but I just want to point out that a redirect is an option in addition to G13. —- Taku (talk) 19:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: So, do you still believe a redirect cannot be an option? (It’s just that from your non-response response, I cannot tell if you actually read and understand what I wrote above). —- Taku (talk) 08:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I read it. But it does not make sense. And your following it up with the 8 July message suggests that this is important to you, even though on 6 July you said the opposite. That does not make sense either. If you do not want to develop the draft into an article, then please just leave it as a draft and maybe someone else will. -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: I don’t understand why you respond with non-repose again. I asked "do you still believe a redirect cannot be an option?" You can say yes or no and preferably with some reasoning. Like I said, a draft in question isn’t too important for me but I would like to know why you think what you think. I am quite active on the draftspace. So, what is important for me is to know what other editors think about the draftspace. That’s why I was interested in knowing why you insist on G13 instead of a redirect. At least, I explained why leaving a redirect is preferable in some instances; if you think it didn’t make sense, again you can tell why, that’s a response. Taku (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the draft article is left as a draft article, a number of things may happen:
- Someone will read it and find it useful.
- Someone will improve it.
- Nobody will do anything, and eventually it will get deleted.
- If the draft article is left as a draft article, a number of things may happen:
- @Toddy1: I don’t understand why you respond with non-repose again. I asked "do you still believe a redirect cannot be an option?" You can say yes or no and preferably with some reasoning. Like I said, a draft in question isn’t too important for me but I would like to know why you think what you think. I am quite active on the draftspace. So, what is important for me is to know what other editors think about the draftspace. That’s why I was interested in knowing why you insist on G13 instead of a redirect. At least, I explained why leaving a redirect is preferable in some instances; if you think it didn’t make sense, again you can tell why, that’s a response. Taku (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I read it. But it does not make sense. And your following it up with the 8 July message suggests that this is important to you, even though on 6 July you said the opposite. That does not make sense either. If you do not want to develop the draft into an article, then please just leave it as a draft and maybe someone else will. -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: Sorry but I don’t think I quite follow. For example, it’s actually quite common that a draft turns out to cover a topic that is already covered in mainspace articles. In that case, the best course of action is to merge the draft into the existing articles (and I do that a lot). The case of this draft is actually quite similar to such a case: the notion this draft is about is already mentioned in one mainspace article. It is a common and preferable practice to leave a redirect after the merger instead of deleting the article since it would be easier to undo the merger if needed afterward. The "logic" of leaving the redirect instead of deletion is exactly the same: my editorial judgment was the topic is not notable but if some other editor thought differently, it would be easier to undo the redirect, develop the draft and then move it to the mainspace. By the way, I am very familiar with G13 but it doesn’t mean we must use G13 to handle drafts; redirecting is fine too. —- Taku (talk) 17:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is no valid reason to turn the draft into a redirect. And if it were turned into a redirect, it would be appropriate to delete the redirect after 6 months. The policy at WP:RDRAFT is not applicable, since the draft has not been moved to mainspace.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: Thank you for the reply. I would say the logic doesn’t apply some instances. Besides the merger case mentioned above, another would be a case when a draft is a duplicate of an existing one in the mainspace; in that case, it is a common and preferable to redirect the draft. Just to confirm, you do agree there are some instances when redirecting is appropriate, right? You said “ There is no valid reason to turn the draft into a redirect. And if it were turned into a redirect, it would be appropriate to delete the redirect after 6 months”. This is plainly false. There is no such policy and is contrary to standard practices in the draftspace. —- Taku (talk) 10:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- We do not agree. User talk:Arjayay#Draft:Constrained minimum criterion shows that I am not the only person to disagree with you on this point. There is no value to Misplaced Pages in continuing this conversation. There comes a point in every debate where the debate itself has come to a natural end. -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: Good. You finally answered my question. You are wrong (there is no prohibition on redirects as you seem to believe) but I agree we don’t need to continue the conversation. —- Taku (talk) 19:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- We do not agree. User talk:Arjayay#Draft:Constrained minimum criterion shows that I am not the only person to disagree with you on this point. There is no value to Misplaced Pages in continuing this conversation. There comes a point in every debate where the debate itself has come to a natural end. -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toddy1: Thank you for the reply. I would say the logic doesn’t apply some instances. Besides the merger case mentioned above, another would be a case when a draft is a duplicate of an existing one in the mainspace; in that case, it is a common and preferable to redirect the draft. Just to confirm, you do agree there are some instances when redirecting is appropriate, right? You said “ There is no valid reason to turn the draft into a redirect. And if it were turned into a redirect, it would be appropriate to delete the redirect after 6 months”. This is plainly false. There is no such policy and is contrary to standard practices in the draftspace. —- Taku (talk) 10:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is no valid reason to turn the draft into a redirect. And if it were turned into a redirect, it would be appropriate to delete the redirect after 6 months. The policy at WP:RDRAFT is not applicable, since the draft has not been moved to mainspace.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Merging
Just a reminder that when proposing a merge, the justification goes on the talk page of the preferred target (not in the edit summary). That way, people can respond to your comment and hence allow a discussion. See Step 1 in WP:MERGEPROP. For the relevant merge, I've started on for you at Talk:Riesz's lemma. Klbrain (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Klbrain: I don’t think it’s necessary mandatory. Sometimes the rationale for the merger is clear enough and the discussion is not needed. In fact, you can just go ahead and do the merger without putting a merger tag. Putting a merger tag and if no one opposes to it after several days passed, that would be a good enough indication that there is no opposition. (Unlike an afd, you don’t need sufficient support votes to do merger.) —- Taku (talk) 06:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I absolutely agree that discussion isn't always needed; the issue is that you recognised the need for an argument (hence in the edit summary), but put it a non-standard location. It was also in one edit summary, but not the other. If the case for a merge is clear (that two pages are clearly about the same subject), then I agree that a case isn't needed. I didn't think that this was the case here, as there are many theorms or lemmas named after people that look similar, but in fact are distinct. While I've done some maths in the past, it wasn't obvious to me, and therefore I suspect to many other readers. Klbrain (talk) 07:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Klbrain: when you put a cleanup tag, it is often enough to put a reason in the edit summary since the expectation is that other editors would be reading edit summaries. I don’t think a merger tag is much different. Of course, it really depends on cases, though. —- Taku (talk) 08:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I absolutely agree that discussion isn't always needed; the issue is that you recognised the need for an argument (hence in the edit summary), but put it a non-standard location. It was also in one edit summary, but not the other. If the case for a merge is clear (that two pages are clearly about the same subject), then I agree that a case isn't needed. I didn't think that this was the case here, as there are many theorms or lemmas named after people that look similar, but in fact are distinct. While I've done some maths in the past, it wasn't obvious to me, and therefore I suspect to many other readers. Klbrain (talk) 07:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for your reply on Mac Lane's coherence theorem and sorry for the late reply. I think creating a strictification would be a good idea, so I'll looking for some references. By the way, I found a discussion on mathoverflow about strictification theorem for closed monoidal categories (https://mathoverflow.net/questions/404315/strictification-for-closed-monoidal-categories). Happy belated birthday! SilverMatsu (talk) 09:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Michael's theorem
I don't see why you're adding an external link at Michael's theorem. The place for that external link is paracompact. Someone interested in Michael selection theorem may not be interested in it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because it is useful? The linked page lists several instances of Michael's theorems. Of course, it can be linked in any other places but I don’t see why the page is irrelevant. —- Taku (talk) 09:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Michael's theorem isn't even supposed to be linked from other articles, which is why I think disambiguation pages typically don't have external links. I doubt many people are going to look at it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know disambig pages are not meant to be read by our readers. But the link is still useful for editors who need to know about the usage of Michael's theorem. —- Taku (talk) 04:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your average Misplaced Pages editor will be able to Google pretty well. How is that specific link more useful to editors than the Misplaced Pages articles already linked or anything you could find on the search engine? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Google results can sometimes not be useful, and so following a link is easier. Generally speaking, I don’t think putting an info that *could* be useful for the purpose of disambig is a bad idea. —- Taku (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TakuyaMurata And why is it less useful than the Misplaced Pages articles already linked? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I didn’t say “less useful”. An external link is complementary and is not redundant since the paracompact article has a lot more stuff not just his theorems. —- Taku (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- But why is it useful to compliment a disambiguation page with an external link when there are two internal links already present? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because a priori it is not clear what are possible ambiguous terms that can exist. In fact, there is more than one Michael's theorem currently listed in the disambig and that can only be known from an external link or some other Misplaced Pages articles. —- Taku (talk) 07:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- An editor would know how to click on the articles in the disambiguation page, though. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Basically you are arguing that other links suffice. I am not disagreeing with that, but on the other hand, it makes some sense to have other info relevant to the page, even if it might be redundant. (Some redundancy is useful since it can be used to check for accuracy.) — Taku (talk) 02:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why not just add the disambiguation page to your watchlist to make sure no one inserts inaccurate information? Because, as much as I hate to say this, it's not like the gnomes who'd actually view the disambiguation page would check the page for subtle factual errors. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- In Misplaced Pages, in principle, everything should be checkable from references. This is because editors will come and go and so we shouldn't solely rely on particular editors for accuracy, including disambig pages. (The external link in question is not for factual accuracy but just for references though.) -- Taku (talk) 08:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why not just add the disambiguation page to your watchlist to make sure no one inserts inaccurate information? Because, as much as I hate to say this, it's not like the gnomes who'd actually view the disambiguation page would check the page for subtle factual errors. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Basically you are arguing that other links suffice. I am not disagreeing with that, but on the other hand, it makes some sense to have other info relevant to the page, even if it might be redundant. (Some redundancy is useful since it can be used to check for accuracy.) — Taku (talk) 02:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- An editor would know how to click on the articles in the disambiguation page, though. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because a priori it is not clear what are possible ambiguous terms that can exist. In fact, there is more than one Michael's theorem currently listed in the disambig and that can only be known from an external link or some other Misplaced Pages articles. —- Taku (talk) 07:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- But why is it useful to compliment a disambiguation page with an external link when there are two internal links already present? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I didn’t say “less useful”. An external link is complementary and is not redundant since the paracompact article has a lot more stuff not just his theorems. —- Taku (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TakuyaMurata And why is it less useful than the Misplaced Pages articles already linked? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Google results can sometimes not be useful, and so following a link is easier. Generally speaking, I don’t think putting an info that *could* be useful for the purpose of disambig is a bad idea. —- Taku (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your average Misplaced Pages editor will be able to Google pretty well. How is that specific link more useful to editors than the Misplaced Pages articles already linked or anything you could find on the search engine? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know disambig pages are not meant to be read by our readers. But the link is still useful for editors who need to know about the usage of Michael's theorem. —- Taku (talk) 04:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Michael's theorem isn't even supposed to be linked from other articles, which is why I think disambiguation pages typically don't have external links. I doubt many people are going to look at it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
I mean, yeah, we shouldn't rely on particular editors for accuracy (Misplaced Pages is not compulsory and all that); thankfully, if you aren't around, it's quite likely someone elese will step up to plate. Aren't sources all about making sure the articles are factually accurate? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think we both agree on this. The difference here is an external link isn’t quite a source. Generally, external links should be dispensable; i.e., without them, articles should stand on their own. You argument is especially an external link is dispendable, which I don’t disagree. I disagree with the removal of some relevant info even if it dispensable. —- Taku (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I actually regard external links as a source, just not an inline citation. I think other Wikipedians would agree. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 15:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- When I say a source, I meant a reliable source and external links are usually not counted as reliable sources (even when they are reliable). —- Taku (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Where did you encounter that belief? I certainly don't share it. A lot of the "cite" templates have a URL= or link= parameter, and {{cite web}} is very commonly used. Generally, "reliable source" means "went through editorial oversight." I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, when I said an external link, I meant to say an item listed in the external links section. I didn’t mean url links to websites. —- Taku (talk) 06:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Aren't almost all url links external links? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Saying url or web links would be less ambiguous. What I meant was in the above, when I said “external links”, I was using that as a short cut for “items listed in the external links section”, which obviously created unnecessary confusion. —- Taku (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TakuyaMurata Ah. Let's circle back as why to a disambiguation page needs an external links section. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think (again) it’s because the page in nlab is relevant to the disambig page in question. I agree a discussion of the theorem can and should appear elsewhere in Misplaced Pages but the nlab page contains relevant and useful info and so having a link to it seems reasonable. —- Taku (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TakuyaMurata But wouldn't people (reader or editor) just go to the article for relevant information? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- People shouldn’t go to a disambig page in the first place. There should be no links to disambig pages (instead, links should be direct links to articles). But, for example, some editors, trying to organize articles in Misplaced Pages, might be interested in the corresponding nlab page. Yes, they can also use Google but it would also be convenient if there is already a link in a disambig page that they can follow. —- Taku (talk) 05:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TakuyaMurata But wouldn't people (reader or editor) just go to the article for relevant information? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think (again) it’s because the page in nlab is relevant to the disambig page in question. I agree a discussion of the theorem can and should appear elsewhere in Misplaced Pages but the nlab page contains relevant and useful info and so having a link to it seems reasonable. —- Taku (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TakuyaMurata Ah. Let's circle back as why to a disambiguation page needs an external links section. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Saying url or web links would be less ambiguous. What I meant was in the above, when I said “external links”, I was using that as a short cut for “items listed in the external links section”, which obviously created unnecessary confusion. —- Taku (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Aren't almost all url links external links? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, when I said an external link, I meant to say an item listed in the external links section. I didn’t mean url links to websites. —- Taku (talk) 06:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Where did you encounter that belief? I certainly don't share it. A lot of the "cite" templates have a URL= or link= parameter, and {{cite web}} is very commonly used. Generally, "reliable source" means "went through editorial oversight." I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- When I say a source, I meant a reliable source and external links are usually not counted as reliable sources (even when they are reliable). —- Taku (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I actually regard external links as a source, just not an inline citation. I think other Wikipedians would agree. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 15:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Speaking as someone who has edited from disambiguation pages with DisamAssist to make sure there are no links to disambig pages I'm more curious about getting the links pointed in the right direction, and an external link on the disambiguation page wouldn't help with that. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hm, maybe that explains a lot. I don’t use such tools myself and any extra info like a link in the external link section can be helpful. For example, to figure out any missing items. It is not always the case that disambig pages are comprehensive and sometimes you may have to retarget a link to non-existing ones (i.e., red links). —- Taku (talk) 07:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've "redlinked" while disambiguating pages sometimes; I've generally done so by actually reading the intro paragraph of the articles themselves. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, articles themselves are useful info for disambig pages, but sometimes Misplaced Pages doesn’t have articles on certain topics and in that case, external sources are helpful. —- Taku (talk) 07:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Even in that case, I use context instead of external links to determine where the red link should go. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I am not disagreeing that that is possible but my point is, in additional to that, websites outside Misplaced Pages can also be useful source of info. —- Taku (talk) 09:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it's going to be substantially less useful than you think. Not enough people are going to read an external link to help disambiguate. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I didn’t say it is useful for *many* people. But if it were useful in some limited instances, it might not be a bad thing. —- Taku (talk) 11:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Would you object taking this conversation to the "disambiguation pages with links" project? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 06:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not a problem at all. I think it makes sense to consider the matter from a broader perspective (i.e., how disambig pages can benefit from some additional info). —- Taku (talk) 07:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I am not disagreeing that that is possible but my point is, in additional to that, websites outside Misplaced Pages can also be useful source of info. —- Taku (talk) 09:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Even in that case, I use context instead of external links to determine where the red link should go. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, articles themselves are useful info for disambig pages, but sometimes Misplaced Pages doesn’t have articles on certain topics and in that case, external sources are helpful. —- Taku (talk) 07:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've "redlinked" while disambiguating pages sometimes; I've generally done so by actually reading the intro paragraph of the articles themselves. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 07:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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You have reverted my last changes without even having read and discussed what I was proposing on the Talk page first. Please take a look there first and discuss. Let's not escalate this into an edit war. PatrickR2 (talk) 05:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Sorry, TakuyaMurata! This was an inappropriate draftification. I have moved this article back to the main space. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Walks on ordinals moved to draftspace
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- I suggest a visit to WP:AFC and work with the established reviewers. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am not the author of the draft; in particular, there is zero conflict of interest. —- Taku (talk) 12:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- If your judgment is in any way clouded by your interest in the subject, you should consider that a COI. As you seem keen on pushing incomplete maths drafts into article space, that seems to me to be a COI. Why not work on them yourself in draft space and submit them for review? - UtherSRG (talk) 13:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am not the author of the draft; in particular, there is zero conflict of interest. —- Taku (talk) 12:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- My interest in mathematics is coi?? I highly doubt that’s how the policy/guideline works. COI concerns arise if the topic of the article is somehow related to publications by you and such. Like I said, I don’t know any of authors listed in the article personally and I haven’t published anything on the topic. So zero COI, like I said. If your concern is about the incompleteness of the article, then I can be more sympathetic but usually articles in mainspace develop better so again drafting isn’t a good idea in my opinion. —- Taku (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)