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			== Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2022 ==
	Moved per ]. --] 13:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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	==Exact Date==
			Change Capacity of soccer city stadium to 94 736
	Is there an exact date to when the 2010 World Cup starts? For example, on the Euro 2008 page there is a date listed:

			The Misplaced Pages page and a number of other sources are provided to verify that the provided capacity is incorrect and needs to be changed:
	"...from 7 June to 29 June 2008."
			http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/rsa/soccer_city
			https://en.wikipedia.org/FNB_Stadium
			https://www.stadiumguide.com/fnbstadium/ ] (]) 20:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

			:Capacity is 94,700, at the time of the World Cup, per what's in the ] article. StadiumGuide says capacity during World Cup was temporarily reduced to "about 85,000." —''']''' (]) 21:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
	How about a similar phrase for this page? It'd also help me out too. Thanks. ] 22:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
			::] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> as per C.Fred answer. ] (]) 14:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

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	:10 June 2010, so far as I know. I'll need to check up on it for confirmation though. — '']]'' 00:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
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	:10 June 2010? Thanks very much, I can use that :) I'll just check back every so often to see if there's any updates. ] 9:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
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	== Qualified teams ==
	Whats this about Qualified teams? Scotland? This has just been made up ] 08:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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	== Bids - Nigeria? ==
			The best young player of the 2010 FIFA World Cup was Thomas Müller but the best player and winner of the golden ball that year was Diego Forlán. (Do not include my IP address please, I’m having troubles making an account) anon.
			: The article already says that Diego won the golden ball ] (]) 19:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

			== Xhosa Translation error. ==
	The article reads "On May 15, 2004, FIFA's Executive Committee voted in Zürich by 14 votes to 10 to award the finals to South Africa over Morocco. Egypt received no votes."

			The Xhosa translation for 2010 Fifa World Cup is wrote in an incorrect language. Can those that can respectfully fix this error. ] (]) 07:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
	In the statements prior to this, Nigeria is mentioned as having bid. Explanations are given for Tunisia and Libya (both withdrew), South Africa (14 votes), Morocco (10 votes), and Egypt (0 votes). What about Nigeria? Did they withdraw, or receive any votes? - ] 17:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

	IIRC, Nigeria didn't bid. ] 02:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

	== Last world cup ever? ==

	With all that has been speculated from what will happen on December 21th of 2012, could it be that this might be the last world cup ever? ] 20:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

	:Hi El Chompiras and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although Misplaced Pages is familiar with ], we need to abide by a number of guidelines formulated over a considerable period of time by numerous editors. One of these is ] and, hence, we do not take such matters into account in articles dealing with subjects such as the World Cup. Once again, welcome to Misplaced Pages. -- ] 02:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

	At least there will be a Euro before that in 2012 ;) ] 22:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

	== Cape Town Venue ==

	This page http://www.stadiumguide.com/wc2010.htm states that the already existing Newlands Stadium will be the venue in Cape Town while Misplaced Pages state a new stadium will be built. Who's right? --] 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Where does it say that the Newlands stadium is already existing? It says the stadium will be Inaugurated in Nov. 2007, which means it will host its first game then, sounds to me like its being built. ] 14:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

	Note that Newlands stadium is a well-known stadium that has been used for the last several years as a rugby union venue - notably in the Rugby World Cup 1995, as well as for annual major Tri-Nations rugby games vs New Zealand and Australia. The stadium seat about 60 000 which is fine if the city wants group games and maybe a quarter-final, but not quite enough for a semi-final - therefore a new stadium is on the card in the nearby area of Greenpoint which can seat 80 000 plus - this to ensure that Cape Town, one of South Africa's and the world's top tourist venues gets maximum value from the 2010 event - Michael, Cape Town

	== Contingency plan ==

	According to the source , FIFA officials not only discussed a move to the US, but also discussed the possibility of staging the tournament in Germany again, or have I misread that? ] 19:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	Sounds like you're right. ] 19:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	You are right. I read the article a little fast, partly because the US rumors have been floating around US fandom for a few weeks now. --] 21:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

	This has since been dismissed by the FIFA President. I updated the article with a reference to reflect this. I think it was just another example of undue '].' ] 23:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

	Australia are now talking about their chances, should FIFA pull the tournament away from SA
	] 21.09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

	==Crime Expo==

	The information that has cropped up about the ] web site seems promotional or at least POV. I have cleaned it up a bit, but I'm not sure if it should even stay on the page. I think that crime information is important in the build up before the Cup, but I'm not sure if this is promoting this web site and what Misplaced Pages's policy on that is. Also the section just does not fit where it is and it's formatting is pretty poor. Even the Expo page itself is pretty poorly formatted, but that should be discussed on that page and not here.

	Thoughts? --] 19:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

	:I agree. I've deleted it. I would encourage anyone wanting to reinsert it to seek consensus here first. To me it seems like a one-man campaign and therefore pretty non-notable. --] 19:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

	:Could you perhaps then point to ] at least? (from 198.54.202.82 at 16 August 2006)

	::I will work on adding a link to this information. --] 02:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

	Please stop adding information about the crime expo to this page. I have added a link to the South Africa Crime section. '''This is not the page to add information about the crime expo.''' The expo has it's own page and it's inclusion in Misplaced Pages should be discussed there, not on this page. --] 17:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

	:: YES FIFA 2010 is a page to add information about crime in South Africa. A significant number of South Africans are concerned with crime. There is absolutely no way that this event can take place in South Africa in four years time with crime at the existing levels or anywhere near it! Crime is important in this discussion! Do not impose cencorship by removing the crime discussion. In thirty-one days of war in Lebanon (July-August 2006) over 1,100 people died in that conflict. During the same period, 1750 people were murdered in South Africa over the same 31 days - that is 57 people a day! (The source for this statistic is the Democratic Alliance chief whip Douglas Gibson in a debate in the South African parlament.) Surely crime is of critical importance to visitors to FIFA 2010?

	:::Crime is a valid concern. Linking to this scare site does not seem ok to me. --] 12:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

	::::That site has no place whatsoever in this page, and I wish people would stop trying to spam every single South Africa-related page on Misplaced Pages with it. At most, it requires its own page, it certainly is not notable enough (or representative enough) to be used every time crime is mentioned with regards to South Africa. Furthermore, South Africa's crime rate is no worse than it was when FIFA's technical committee judged South Africa capable of hosting the 2010 World Cup, with the committee reporting that crime was not bad enough to be a showstopper. This really shouldn't be a surprise, the country hosted the 2003 Cricket World Cup and the 2002 World Summit without a hitch, despite both events bringing in tens of thousands of naive tourists whom one would think would have been ripe for criminal pickings. Nobody denies that crime is a problem, but it is nowhere near bad enough to prevent the successful hosting of the 2010 World Cup, and nor is living in SA in any way comparable to living in an actual warzone. Further, it seems to me that the objective of Mr Watson and those who so vehemently back his site is not to find the best way to reduce crime, but rather to scare away tourists and attempt to have the 2010 Cup moved to another country. I've yet to see any credible explanation of how such tactics will help reduce crime and make tourist areas safer, instead they seem calculated to help turn SA into the failure such people evidently desire it to be. '']]'' 16:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
	A Misplaced Pages article should be balanced. Misplaced Pages should not favour one article above another. There is a link from the Crime Expo SA website to the 2010 FIFA world cup. Why can’t there be a reference back to it?


	=== Balance 2010 FIFA World Cup article ===

	Misplaced Pages articles should have as much information as possible relevant to an article. ] is an enormous problem in ]. South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world. --] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	The crime was also high in South Africa at the time FIFA awarded the 2010 World Cup to South Africa, but it does not justify the removal of links to articles that show the high crime rate in South Africa. --] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	The South African tourism industry does not want any references to crime. People supporting them would therefore want to remove all articles pointing towards the high crime rate in South Africa. Therefore they want to suppress access to information by deleting the link to the Crime Expo SA website.--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	Indicating, and pointing towards criticism of the Crime Expo SA article balanced the ] article. This article on the ] should also be balanced.--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	This article should not favour any point of view on crime in South Africa. It should just show the facts. The reaction of Politicians in South Africa towards the Crime Expo SA website indicate that it has struck a “raw nerve”, therefore all the critic and reaction. These people would not like to have any references to the Crime Expo SA article for personal reasons. This should not play a role in a Misplaced Pages article.--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	Misplaced Pages should not favour one article above another. There is a link from the Crime Expo SA website to the ] article. Why can’t there be a reference back to it?--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	Because the 2010 FIFA world cup is linked to ], it is justifiable to have a link to the Crime Expo SA article. It would not have been appropriate if the World Cup was held in another country.--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	It appear as if there is people here that are very anti ].These persons want to remove the link for personal reasons. Personal opinion does not belong here. I am not for or against this article. All I want to do is to create a balanced article, based on available information & research, that show all the relevant facts. These facts cannot be changed.--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	'''IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE ARTICLE, A REFERENCE SHOULD BE MADE TO THE CRIME EXPO SA ARTICLE IN THE 2010 Fifa World Cup ARTICLE.'''--] 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	:Please don't shout. See Impi's point above. A link to this article is not needed here --] 01:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	:I agree. I have added a link to the South Africa section on Crime on this page and I do not think we need to link specifically to this site or article. If we did, we would need to link to ''all'' of the pages that relate to crime in South Africa, not just the crime expo page (and this is not an acceptable solution). If you search news about the world cup, crime rarely comes up, at least at this stage and so I feel that heavily endorsing crime related articles creates a unbalanced lean towards the viewpoint of Mr. Watson and others. Currently, most people feel that crime is a problem in SA, but not a deterent for the event. This page is not the right place for this link. --] 15:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

	'''Disagree''' The crime expo SA website was created to warn ] supporters about crime in South Africa. It is therefore very relavant to this article.--] 00:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

	It is also very interesting that there is alledged corruption in FIFA, where personal interest is placed before the interest of FIFA supporters. (see wikipedia article of ]). The Crime Expo site also made the remark that people in the SA tourism indistry is more concerned about making money from the FIFA 2010 World Cup, than about the safety of tourists (FIFA supporters).--] 01:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

	:First of all, Crime Expo SA does NOT represent the views of all S.Africans, nor is it even close to being an authoritative source when it comes to crime. At most, it is a controversial aspect of the debate over crime, but no more than that. It does not belong on every single S.Africa related page, nor even on any of the pages dealing with crime in SA, except where the public debate is discussed. Secondly, you have yet to explain why SA was able to handle the 2002 World Summit and 2003 Cricket World Cup without a hitch (or significant criminal activity against the thousands of tourists), yet would somehow be unable to host the 2010 Football World Cup because of an identical level of crime. In fact, all the available evidence, including FIFA's own Technical Committee report (no allegations of corruption there, btw) is unanimous is stating that SA's crime level will not prevent a successful hosting of the World Cup. So tell me, just what <i>is</i> your agenda? — '']]'' 16:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

	There is no good reason to include any references about crime on this page at this time. By 'good reason' I mean a reason that fulfills wikipedia's ]. There is no reference to a ] for this assertion just for starters. Provide that or delete it. I'm tagging it now and will delete it soon if no one does so. Even if someone can provide that, I will still argue that it should be deleted. ] 21:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

	Since no one provided a source for the crime statement, I deleted it. Next time when someone makes a claim, they have to make a reference to a ]. ] 16:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

	The ] website was created to inform ] supporters about the crime situation in South Africa. It was the reason for its creation, and is therefore relevant on this page. There should at least be a reference to the ] Article in the Article. This article should be informative, and readers should be informed about the existance of the Crime Expo South Africa website on this article. In the interest of "]" and "access to information", information should not be deliberetely withheld from a Misplaced Pages reader. Therefore a reader should decide if he / she want to do any further reading, and other editors should not prohibit wikipedia readers from obtaining information, due to personal opinion or interests.--] 21:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

	Does it strike anyone else that the article is imbalanced as it stands at the moment? The lead-in sentence is fine, but then the article immediately goes into SA not being ready and the World Cup being moved etc. This casts a very strong POV on the article. The main content of the article should be about the sporting side of the event itself, with another section devoted to the organisation of the event. The concerns about SA's readiness should be in a sub-heading dealing specifically with that issue and what has been stated by FIFA, SAFA, the government, etc. It has after all received much press coverage so reliably sourced and balanced viewpoints are not hard to find. On the other hand the concerns over crime are misplaced and should not be overly represented. After all, the Cricket World Cup was only 3 years ago, and last year we were bidding for the Rugby World Cup 2011. I don't recall a single squeak about crime surrounding either of those events. ] 10:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

	:Agreed and I have created a new heading for it to keep the intro clean and simple. By the way, all other World Cup articles intros seem to follow a standard layout (when it was held, when it was awarded to the host city etc.) perhaps we can correct this article to that form too? --] 10:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

	::I also had a look at the ] article, which seems to be presented in a fairly logical and consistent manner. However, that is mostly due to the tournament being finished and there being a lot of material to write about. Since the 2010 tournament (or even the qualifying) hasn't started yet, there is very little info we could include here. For the time being (i.e. the next couple of years) it is likely that the format and style of this article will differ from the "standard layout". ] 12:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

	== Crime in South Africa & 2010 FIFA World Cup ==

	Here is an article that shows the crime in South Africa, with a refernce to the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

	http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1159998616870&call_pageid=968867503640&col=970081593064&t=TS_Home

	"South Africa is plagued by violent crime. There were 19,000 homicides there in 2004, the second worst per-capita rate in the world aside from Colombia (a country which, incidentally, gave up the 1986 World Cup). Plans are in place to hire 11,000 police officers and dramatically increase electronic surveillance."

	Therefore a refernce to the crime in South Africa is very relevant on this page, because it is one of the major problems faced by the 2010 FIFA World cup to be held in South Africa.--] 20:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


	We've been through this before on the ] page. The CrimeExpo website is found to be biased, factually unfounded and harmful. Get a more balanced website if you want to post this kind of thing up. Until then, www.crimexposa.co.za has been decided by the majority of Wikipedians to be non-suitable for any South African page.
	Please stop posting it up.

	] 08:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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Change Capacity of soccer city stadium to 94 736

The Misplaced Pages page and a number of other sources are provided to verify that the provided capacity is incorrect and needs to be changed: http://stadiumdb.com/stadiums/rsa/soccer_city https://en.wikipedia.org/FNB_Stadium https://www.stadiumguide.com/fnbstadium/ Sir Reginald Gordinham (talk) 20:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Capacity is 94,700, at the time of the World Cup, per what's in the FNB Stadium article. StadiumGuide says capacity during World Cup was temporarily reduced to "about 85,000." —C.Fred (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Not done: as per C.Fred answer. P1221 (talk) 14:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

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The best young player of the 2010 FIFA World Cup was Thomas Müller but the best player and winner of the golden ball that year was Diego Forlán. (Do not include my IP address please, I’m having troubles making an account) anon.

The article already says that Diego won the golden ball RudolfRed (talk) 19:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Xhosa Translation error.

The Xhosa translation for 2010 Fifa World Cup is wrote in an incorrect language. Can those that can respectfully fix this error. 41.116.101.103 (talk) 07:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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