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== History section definitely biased ==

As many already know, this article is ridden with bias, but I've come to speak of the history section. Surely there was opposition of "LGBT rights" before Nazi Germany, and starting the history section speaking of Nazi Germany makes conservatives (like me) seem as if they are genocidal fascists themselves. This was already spoken of about two years ago on this very talk page, but it was never attended to.
BTW, opposition to LGBT rights does not equate to opposition to LGBT people; it is not as an antisemite would hate Jews, not even close. ] (]) 20:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== "Bigotry" use in article ==

I propose that the word "bigotry" be removed from this article. The arguments I made previously all still stand, as the issues I have raised were not dealt properly with. ] (]) 00:22, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:I don't see that happening. See ]. ]. - ]] 01:23, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

::I don't think any of that addressed the issues that I raised. When something violates a Misplaced Pages policy, it needs to be addressed. ] (]) 02:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

:::While ], I don't see, Lincean, that you're suggesting any change in the community's perspective might have occurred since the RFC less than a year ago, or that you might be able to sway the community's opinion with new arguments or evidence. You seem rather to be making a ''point'' of the fact that you have no new arguments or evidence. –] (] ⋅ ]) 05:18, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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== Not motivations ==
The second paragraph notes that it may be motivated by "religion, moral beliefs, homophobia, transphobia, bigotry, animosity, political ideologies, or other reasons". But homophobia, transphobia and especially animosity aren't motivations for opposing it but rather ways said opposition may express itself in/contribute to. Someone doesn't oppose their rights ''because'' they're X-phobic, they oppose rights ''and'' they're X-phobic (because of another reason). Religion, moral beliefs, bigotry and political ideologies are all possible (as well as the "or other reasons"), but, while they are linked, the phobias and animosity aren't. ] (]) 11:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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== LGBT Doesn't only mean gay... ==
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Hello. I was reading your article, and I just have to say that a majority of the "LGBT rights opposition" only includes countries' and groups views on homosexuality in general. That's great to talk about when it comes to the "G" in "LGBT", but I've yet to find much to talk about transgender rights opposition, or the entire group in general. ] (]) 22:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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In the list of motivations for the movement we list both ] and ]. Aren't these two synonyms? Religions tend to teach their adherents to hate other people, and to discriminate in their behavior towards others. ] (]) 08:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
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:You'd need to specify from what to what you want changed. If you're agrument is to get rid of the word religion, I would oppose because its not commonly accepted that bigotry equals religion. If you are wanting to make an argument that relgion equals bigotry, as ] (]) 03:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Per ], "If the article title is merely descriptive—such as Electrical characteristics of dynamic loudspeakers—the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text." This is basically the situation we're in. "LGBT rights opposition" is not a standardly-used phrase; a quick Google search suggests that most of the places using it are quoting this page. A newspapers.com search finds zero uses of the phrase. As such, we shouldn't be spending that first sentence defining that phrase. Instead, I suggest something like "Opposition to ] for ], ], ], and ] (]) people exists throughout the world." -- ] (]) 15:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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:Sounds good. ] (]) 00:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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LGBT Doesn't only mean gay...

Hello. I was reading your article, and I just have to say that a majority of the "LGBT rights opposition" only includes countries' and groups views on homosexuality in general. That's great to talk about when it comes to the "G" in "LGBT", but I've yet to find much to talk about transgender rights opposition, or the entire group in general. Flame486 (talk) 22:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Synonyms

In the list of motivations for the movement we list both bigotry and religion. Aren't these two synonyms? Religions tend to teach their adherents to hate other people, and to discriminate in their behavior towards others. Dimadick (talk) 08:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

You'd need to specify from what to what you want changed. If you're agrument is to get rid of the word religion, I would oppose because its not commonly accepted that bigotry equals religion. If you are wanting to make an argument that relgion equals bigotry, as 2603:6011:2C00:3C5:3FD6:F17B:55EB:1EAB (talk) 03:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

First sentence

Per MOS:LEADSENTENCE, "If the article title is merely descriptive—such as Electrical characteristics of dynamic loudspeakers—the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text." This is basically the situation we're in. "LGBT rights opposition" is not a standardly-used phrase; a quick Google search suggests that most of the places using it are quoting this page. A newspapers.com search finds zero uses of the phrase. As such, we shouldn't be spending that first sentence defining that phrase. Instead, I suggest something like "Opposition to legal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people exists throughout the world." -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. Zenomonoz (talk) 00:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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