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| == Add use of the series during Jeffrey Lamar William's Court Hearing == | |||
| This split was contentious when discussed at ] and ChrisGualtieri went ahead with it anyway. He is part of a minority of editors who believe that manga and anime adaptations deserve separate articles due to the glut of sources that discuss their reception and release separately, when the majority of the members of ] believe that articles are best kept as about both forms of media and information regarding the separate media are relegated to list articles. —] (]) 20:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| : You cannot preclude creation of an article, you ignored the inuse and you brought it to 3RR with your tagging so I can't edit it or improve it. You are actively engaged in preventing improvement because you disagree that we need a page on the anime, even when hundreds of sources exist and there is a vast different in content. The LOCALCONSENSUS was rejected at the RFC, MOSAM has no authority and cannot prevent article creation or limiting of notable content that deserves a page. ] (]) 20:27, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::How was tagging it and fixing your mistakes bringing it to 3RR? And I am not the only one who disagrees "that we need a page on the anime". This is a plot summary (identical to that for the manga except for stuff like the Bount arc), a cast list (no other anime article features a cast list other than ones that you've done this same treatment to; that information is usually left to the character list pages), and you've just turned ] into a "release" section and copied over the two paragraphs on the reception of the anime. The amount of padding you've put into this to make it appear as a suitable standalone article is ridiculous. And I will not repeat what Konveyor Belt has said, but I will point out a line you seem to be ignoring on ]: "This is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." That is what ] did for these pages so you need to stop complaining about "LOCALCONSENSUS".—] (]) 20:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Bleach and its bount arc were brought in during a well known public court case involving Jeffery Lamar Williams (Also known as Young Thug) as part of the defense argument. | |||
| *'''Support''' per nom. We don't need extra articles clogging the wiki. As I said in the MOSAM discussion: | |||
| ::{{quote|text= but although I do believe that these articles should be expanded, there is a fine line. GNG says that such articles can be created, but it doesn't justify their creation. Any decisions about merging or not merging will need to be done based on the individual needs of each article.|sign=]|source=]}} | |||
| Due to the high profile of the case, as well as how much this was spread on news and social media, this should be brought in even as a slight mention on the article. | |||
| This article appears not to need two standalone articles when the purpose could easily be served with one. ''']''' <small>''] ]</small>'' 20:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| We could also create a small section related to the impact of the series on general culture and include this in there. ] (]) 20:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| '''Oppose''' - Meets N/GNG, and I '''just''' made the page and the result is 3RR from the tagging and good faith additions of Ryulong. I can't work on it for 24 hours now. Konveyor Belt should read ] and realize that their entire argument goes against it and ]. What one "likes or needs" does not determine whether or not an article can exist, including merging of a major topic that unquestioningly meets N and GNG. ] (]) 21:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :* Oh it looks that Erachima has unilaterally removed the page in a bizarre and another out of process removal during a listed merge. ] (]) 00:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :No idea if you're joking or something, but anyway, that would be ]. ] (]) 20:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :I really see no reason to have an anime page currently. Is ] unreadable? Isn't the plot section basically a copypaste from the manga's plot section but with minor differences? How could the article become a GA when there is no production information? I would suggest first working in a sandbox and then proposing a split.] (]) 00:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :: I'm at 3RR, I can't add that. And before removing you do ] and we all know Bleach has tons of information. I was in the middle of writing the content with an "in use" when this happened. And you are the one who supported DBGT's removal in the same way, "I support the merge. The DBGT article lacks production and reception section and need a nice clean up". Deletion is not clean up. I don't understand why this project has editors who go against the policies to establish their own little mediocre walled gardens. But it seems that rather than doing work, you want to do as least amount of work as possible and having one terrible and useless articles is better than two articles in development. Going so far as to revert it out during an newly made merge discussion and doing it in such a way as to avoid the article alert system. ] (]) 01:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == License == | |||
| :::Why did you dodge the questions? I don't care about creating new articles but I'm not okay with copy pasting articles.] (]) 17:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Since Chris refuses to communicate with other editors via talk page, I'll repeat my statement here: The proper process for redirecting redundant pages is to redirect the page. No need for drama and bureaucracy on this. --] <small>]</small> 01:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| : Topics are different, redundant is same topic. There is no page solely about the anime and calling it redundant is not only false, but justification for your disruptive actions when a formal process has already begun. You also left an insulting edit on my talk page when I asked you repeatedly not to and took you to ANI over it; you are harassing me. Stop wikihounding me and attacking me already! Not sure what your issue is, but you have not made any effort to work constructively and instead resort to bullying and personal attacks with every interaction with me. ] (]) 03:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::First off, Chris, disagreeing with you is not insulting you. Second, I got here when I saw that silly template on ], read the new article, and redirected it because it was an utterly worthless content fork. I had literally no idea you were involved in this until you showed up on my talk page. Third, I will always reply to any comments you send to me on your talk page.<br />If you still believe you have the right to ban people who you are posting messages to from replying to you on your talk page, you are welcome to try going back to ANI about it again, but we both know how that turned out last time: you got slammed for hypocrisy and abusive edit summaries. Now go edit something constructively instead of copy-pasting other people's work onto extra pages. --] <small>]</small> 05:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Erachima has reinserted the personal attack and cast more aspersions. Characterizing my removal of the offensive post as vandalism and refusing to discuss on the talk page. This post is false because I followed ] and cited attribution. I am feeling harassed and that I am being maliciously attacked. ] (]) 05:59, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::::How is whether you followed ] or not relevant to my statement? I did not accuse you of copyvio. --] <small>]</small> 06:20, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Chris, I respect your opinion that you feel you're being maliciously attacked, but no one reading erachima's post above would see it as a personal attack, or at least not a very strong one. Take it from someone, like me, who really has been maliciously attacked in the past and had to go to ] to get a user's contributions removed from Misplaced Pages entirely, and then we'll talk.--<span style="background:white;color:">]]</span> 06:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Aww look, and now Chris is accusing me of "" with him while . That's so intolerably hypocritical and rude that it's almost funny. --] <small>]</small> 06:25, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::And just to solidly push this over the top, Chris, who is , is now seen insinuating to another editor that he has things to talk about that he . :D --] <small>]</small> 06:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Support the merge''', though each article theoretically meets GNG independently, ] provides for the possibility to cover several notable topics within one article, and Bleach clearly benefits from it. The separate anime and manga pages are so redundant, with so many identical section (plot, reception) and the two media are so dependent from each other that an all-encompassing Bleach page is the way to go. Separately, you'd have to reduce them to little more than stubs to avoid any issue, that's ridiculous.] (]) 10:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Support''', the article is unnecessary. As for the argument about anime having fillers, these filler episodes spans an entire season, and we all must not forget that there are individual article for each seasons discussing these diverging plot elements from the original manga. So I do think this is unnecessary. <span style="text-shadow:Black 3px 3px 3px; color:White;">] <small>]</small></span> 12:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| My understanding is that when Thousand-Year Blood War came out Disney had acquired the full streaming rights to the anime while Viz continued to kept the home video rights i do not believe Viz has the streaming rights anymore at least in North America as Disney seems to have them while VIZ does continue to have home video rights to the series at least in North America | |||
| == Requested move 25 January 2018 == | |||
| I do however know that Crunchyroll did lose the rights to the anime but not sure who owns the rights to home video in UK or Australia. ] (]) 20:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :According to and , Viz Media still holds the worldwide rights, while Disney holds streaming rights. As far as I know, Viz Media has not streamed its series directly in a long time, but I don't think this necessarily means that it only holds the home video rights. ] (]) 20:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Move anything related to TYBW into its own page… == | |||
| The result of the move request was: '''no consensus to move''' the page at this time, per the discussion below. ]<small>]</small> 07:33, 8 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
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| Can any information related to The Thousand-Year Blood War be moved into its own page, this is due to the fact that the total counts for both the original show (16 seasons, 366 episodes) and TYBW (29 so far) are separate (as in TYBW is not considered to be season 17) and that ]'s website for the show . This is due to the fact that most of the staff involved in the original Bleach moved on to other projects. Aside from that, ] has a page but idk if it can be converted into a full show page? ] (]) 23:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] → {{no redirect|Bleach (TV series)}} – Per the first line of this article, it is about a "television series". This brings it under ] which necessarily will have to override the conflicted direction given at ]. ] ] 13:07, 25 January 2018 (UTC) <small>--'''''Relisting.''''' ] (]) 19:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :It serves as a sequel to the 2004 series. Of course it is a separate series, which is why it is counted as such in this article, with its own component in the infobox, and nowhere it is referred to as "season 17". I would not opposed to change the structure of the TYBW article, since I'm sure that there must be several sources available to expand it and create production and reception sections, and maybe moving the episodes to a ] article. However, as it currently is, I don't think it warrants a split for now, given that the current TYBW article serves primarily as a list of episodes with the corresponding summaries, and the rest of the content is not too long and can be perfectly included in this own article. In short, I think that the TYBW article must indeed look like its own article to warrant the split, with sections dedicated to its production, reception, and similar, and not just look like another list article. ] (]) 01:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *I don't really care either way, but why should naming conventions trump the manual of style? I recall you were advised to get consensus about changing one to suit the other; I assume you didn't do that. —] (]) 18:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' Per precedent, most other anime TV series are disambiguated this way. Unless we can establish an agreed upon standard, it should continue to use the direction of ]. This isn't the place to discuss that standard, and it's best if things are not changed peacemeal like this if it really should be overridden.<sub><small>] (])</small></sub> 21:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *: There is wide consensus that smaller genre communities should not override wider-scale naming conventions like ]. There is no reason anime is special enough for its own designation when all other animated TV series follow ]. I'll also point out that the MOS at the present time doesn't even mention anime TV series as a separate subject from anime release in other ways. At best, the MOS is incomplete and I've brought the inconsistency up on that talk page. In the short term, there is no reason to prevent this article from moving to the most appropriate and ] disambiguation used for other TV series. ] doesn't have different handling for different genre of television series - they all use one disambiguation method. -- ] ] 05:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *::I'm taking about ] within anime article titles, not ] of anime articles vs regular TV shows. There is such a large amount of articles that use (anime) as a disambiguation, that they should all be moved at once or not at all. (And personally, I am not a fan of the "TV series" moniker - in my view, it implies that something is live action and not an anime or cartoon.)<sub><small>] (])</small></sub> 05:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *::: I'm sorry, but ] - {{tq|Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale.}} A MOS for a niche genre community cannot override a guideline that covers all television. -- ] ] 05:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *:::: ] is also a guideline, television titles can not override a guideline that covers Misplaced Pages's manual of style on how to write articles. - ] (]) 05:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' per ]. This isn't the right venue, to discuss guideline changes you should bring up the discussion at ] AFTER this discussion closes. - ] (]) 14:28, 26 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' (anime) is a much simpler and more natural disambiguation than (TV series). It is also been used by other articles when disambiguation is needed do to naming conflicts. The purpose of disambiguation is the let the reader know that they found the topic they were looking for. There is no question that ] lets the readier know that they found the article for the Bleach anime series. Just like ] lets the reader know that they found the article for the Bleach manga series. However, ] is much less clear to the reader. —''']''' (] | ]) 19:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' per above. This should be done as part of a larger discussion. However, I did create a redirect at the proposed new title pointing to this page. ---- ] - <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 18:27, 29 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' per above. -- ''']''''']'' 21:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Support''' – we should not disambiguate by genre, and there is no other TV series with the title "Bleach". --] <small>(] • ])</small> 23:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ** Note that moving to "TV series" does not preclude also having a redirect at the "anime" disambig. title. "Redirects are cheap", so having "anime"-based disambig. redirects is A-OK. But the base article should not reside at a disambig-by-genre title. --] <small>(] • ])</small> 02:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| **Anime isn't a genre though as not every anime is a television series. - ] (]) 14:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *** Bleach, the subject of this RM, is though. -- ] ] 15:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Support''' Larger discussion is that the (anime) and other style specific ones should not be used, and TV series used for all TV series. TV series is more widely recognizable. Though I guess they should be bundled.. ] (]) 02:33, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :*{{reply|User:Galobtter}} Not really no... , . - ] (]) 14:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Bleach(anime) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 4#Bleach(anime) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:18, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Add use of the series during Jeffrey Lamar William's Court Hearing
Bleach and its bount arc were brought in during a well known public court case involving Jeffery Lamar Williams (Also known as Young Thug) as part of the defense argument.
Due to the high profile of the case, as well as how much this was spread on news and social media, this should be brought in even as a slight mention on the article.
We could also create a small section related to the impact of the series on general culture and include this in there. 189.203.252.60 (talk) 20:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- No idea if you're joking or something, but anyway, that would be WP:UNDUE. Xexerss (talk) 20:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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My understanding is that when Thousand-Year Blood War came out Disney had acquired the full streaming rights to the anime while Viz continued to kept the home video rights i do not believe Viz has the streaming rights anymore at least in North America as Disney seems to have them while VIZ does continue to have home video rights to the series at least in North America I do however know that Crunchyroll did lose the rights to the anime but not sure who owns the rights to home video in UK or Australia. 71.169.176.42 (talk) 20:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- According to this and this, Viz Media still holds the worldwide rights, while Disney holds streaming rights. As far as I know, Viz Media has not streamed its series directly in a long time, but I don't think this necessarily means that it only holds the home video rights. Xexerss (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Move anything related to TYBW into its own page…
Can any information related to The Thousand-Year Blood War be moved into its own page, this is due to the fact that the total counts for both the original show (16 seasons, 366 episodes) and TYBW (29 so far) are separate (as in TYBW is not considered to be season 17) and that Studio Pierrot's website for the show considers it as a separate show and not a continuation of the 2004-2012 series. This is due to the fact that most of the staff involved in the original Bleach moved on to other projects. Aside from that, TYBW has a page but idk if it can be converted into a full show page? VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 23:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- It serves as a sequel to the 2004 series. Of course it is a separate series, which is why it is counted as such in this article, with its own component in the infobox, and nowhere it is referred to as "season 17". I would not opposed to change the structure of the TYBW article, since I'm sure that there must be several sources available to expand it and create production and reception sections, and maybe moving the episodes to a List of Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War episodes article. However, as it currently is, I don't think it warrants a split for now, given that the current TYBW article serves primarily as a list of episodes with the corresponding summaries, and the rest of the content is not too long and can be perfectly included in this own article. In short, I think that the TYBW article must indeed look like its own article to warrant the split, with sections dedicated to its production, reception, and similar, and not just look like another list article. Xexerss (talk) 01:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)