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			==Hello!==
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	Some basic rules. '''One''', anyone coming here accusing me of ] will be told what they can do with their accusations. '''Two''', anyone whinging about ] will be referred to the previous answer. '''Three''', anyone coming here requesting help will be afforded it, providing I have the time. '''Four''', I am no longer here to create content; various administrators and their sycophantic little fanboys have seen to that. I've learnt that if you want to get on around here you must be problematic in discussions; be willing to push your own POV; disruptively open RfC after RfC on the same article in order to get your own way; and hang around at the dramah boards like a love-sick, boy band groupie, in the hope that if you hawk your name about enough, you may, one day, get a fleeting stab at joining the admin clique. '''Five''', I apologise to those who've supported me in the past, but good-faith content editors can only put up with so much nonsense before they begin to question what good, if any, they're doing here.
			I was wondering if you decided to return to the project. I know we had some disagreements years ago but you've been missed! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 19:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			:Hello {{u\|Liz}}, thanks ever so much for your message, that's very kind of you. The jury is currently out deciding if I made the right decision to return, but I guess only time will tell. There's a few bits on here that I wanted to do (time allowing) so hopefully I can be left alone in relative peace to get on with it. I must admit, I can't remember our disagreements, but I certainly bear no grudge. I think it's important to remember that having disagreements is a fundamental part of human interaction and are good and healthy to have. Thanks for popping by and I hope to see you around. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Hello, Cassianto. I, too, want to welcome you back. I remember disagreeing with you from time to time, but I never once doubted that you have made outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia. I hope that resumes and I wish you well. ] (]) 20:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::Thanks Jim. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::Good to see you back! I sent you a gmail message just to check if you got my email!♦ ] 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::Thanks {{u\|Dr. Blofeld}}, I've not been receiving your messages, which I find most odd. The Gmail one went straight to my junk. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Yesterday I sent a link to my cousin, and he said it was blocked from viewing. It's starting to feel like somebody is monitoring and censoring things! I got your test, see if you get the Got It email. My sister's husband, a fit guy of only 43 almost died of a heart attack last week, artery 98% collapsed.♦ ] 07:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I'm so very sorry to hear that, how devastating for your family. There certainly seems to be a lot of unexplained heart problems at the moment. I wonder what's causing it? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 18:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::Just sent you an email, did you get it? ♦ ] 17:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::I did and replied. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

			== About bloody time! ==

			- ] (]) 14:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
			:<small>Tell me about it! I've missed not having anyone to call a c- ahem ;) ] 15:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</small>
			::I've missed your C bombs, {{u\|Serial Number 54129\|SN}}; it's one of the reasons I returned as I was having withdrawal symptoms. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
			:{{u\|SchroCat\|You're}} too kind, thanks. By the way, where has the "thank" button gone? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
			:Welcome back, good to see you. - Dank (]) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Thanks {{u\|Dank\|Dan}}, good to hear from you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 13:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			:In the best Australianese, I can only echo the section heading... ;-) While we're here, {{u\|Dank\|Dan}} it's good to see you back at TFA...! Cheers, ] (]) 13:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Much thanks, {{u\|Ian Rose\|Ian}}, lovely to hear from you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 15:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Thanks {{u\|Ian Rose\|Ian}}. <s>Btw, can you recommend a TFA article (rerun or not) for ] on 26 January? ] and ] are options, but I'm a little wary because Main Page people tend to scrutinize country and city articles. - Dank (]) 15:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)</s> Striking ... too controversial, we'll find a different day. - Dank (]) 12:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
			:Fuck me dead. I genuinely thought you'd retired for good, even took this talk page off my watchlist. Welcome back. I hope you've been well. ] (]) 21:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			::Ha, I had some unfinished business ] and ], and Mrs Cassianto was getting annoyed with the books hanging around, so I thought I'd get these finished. Hope you're well! '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

			== Email ==

			I sent you something this morning and got back "This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address failed: (yours)

			SMTP error from remote server for MAIL FROM command, blablabla. All messages from my (ip) will be permanently def erred; Retrying will NOT succeed. ♦ ] 11:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

			:I've emailed you back. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
			::It blocked the second attempt too! So I just tried sending two urls. ♦ ] 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
			:::You got it! ♦ ] 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
			::::Thanks very much, yes, and duly forwarded on to others of like mindedness :) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 16:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

			== Good to see your name ==

			Good to see your name around. I'm not the most active these days, but a positive for the project that you're around. ] (]) 00:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

			:Thanks Tony. I had some unfinished projects eating away at my conscience, so felt it right to return to get them finished. I hope you're well. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 07:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
			Echoing this- delighted to see you back. ] (]) 15:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

			:Thank you for the kind message, Jip. Hope to see you around. All the best '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 16:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
			::Hi {{ping\|Cassianto}} Good to see you back. I'm really glad your back with your original name, which I thought was cool. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
			:::That's very kind, thank you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
			:Great to see you also Cas. Its almost like old times and hope you are well. ] (]) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			::Bless you, {{u\|Ceoil}}, lovely to hear from you. All good here; please give my best to Liz. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

			== About the “attack page” ==

			I was recording the apparent stance of editors of the Gilbert and Sullivan project on infoboxes to make a case about systemic bias on the project as almost all active users don’t seem terribly fond of infoboxes. Even if you disagree with the categorization that hardly constitutes an “attack”, especially in comparison with ]. ] (]) 20:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			:Well don't. I don't much enjoy having my name secretly recorded by strangers off the internet. Your list is not only weird and creepy and akin to what the Nazis did in the 1940s, it is also factually wrong. I'm not "anti" anything, and if you bothered to check my article creation history, you'll see that I have included infoboxes on many of the articles I have started. But then you wouldn't have, would you, as it'll ruin your narrative. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			::It’s not “secret” if you found it. ] (]) 20:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			:::Correction, I was told about it. Secret or not, it's weird. Please remove my name. You've no reason to include it anywhere and accompany it with false information. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

			== Re yesterday ==

			Hello Cassianto. Sorry about what happened yesterday. I was overly aggressive and I apologise. I'm not in the business of burning bridges and I'm not going to be starting now. I don't like Misplaced Pages pile-ons and got a bit annoyed at seeing one happen to an editor whom I've had a positive opinion of for a while now. Please don't think I'm a bad faith actor sniping from the sidelines: just trying to do what I think is right, but obviously chose the nuclear option there. Don't want to kill any future collaboration we may have on an article, so coming here to rebuild that bridge. All the best for the future - ] (]) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

			:Dear {{u\|Tim O'Doherty\|Tim}}, thank you for your message. It was an unfortunate situation and not one I wish to see repeated. Whilst it is regrettable that you and I had crossed words, and I bear no grudge, I don't regret my initial concern with my name being used, alongside a false description, on a weird list by a complete stranger. Anyway, let's hope that is now behind us. Best regards. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
			::Thanks. Again, I apologise. Never met you before, so regret that was our first interaction. Just to clear the air. Cheers - ] (]) 22:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
			:::I apologise too. Hope to see you around. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

			==And some trolls call me obsessive!==
			Plus ca change with those who "never speak about" such things, unless it's behind people's backs ''and'' in the gutter at the same time! Hope you're keeping well; we'll have to sort out some pre-Christmas drinks with ] sometime. Cheers - ] (]) 22:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

			:Sadly, these people (I can think of other words) will never realise who the real trouble makers are around infoboxes; it's certainly plain enough for the rest of us to see, which leads me to believe that perhaps they're in on it. It's my belief that the reason these infobox trolls and their admin enablers are all so full of their own self importance in the pretend world of Misplaced Pages is that they need to make up for clear inadequacies they have in reality. God forbid if these people are in real life positions of power. I'll be in touch about Christmas - let's arrange something. December is looking more likely than this month. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 07:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
			::This is from the old fella (] will pay for his impertinence). You'd both better come round to Riley Towers again in December. A buffet and any amount of wet will be available. Kindly sort some dates out by email; I can't do 1st, 4th or 12th. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 22:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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			<big>Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from ]!</big>
	One day, I'm sure, all that's left here will be a clique of admins and their sycophantic minions; the rest of the world will have moved on, hopefully to projects where people's contributions are valued, and not decried.
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	== ~~Taking~~ ~~a bit of a risk~~ ==		== Happy Christmas ==

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	You're taking a bit of a risk with the new heading you've just added. Have I ever told you that I was once blocked for using the word ''sycophantic''? ] ] 08:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
			<big>'''Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.'''<br/>Happy Christmas and Best wishes for a peaceful 2024.</big> <br> ] (]) 13:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
	:Ha, no you hadn't, but why doesn't that surprise me. It's borrowed ]; I knew I'd seen it, but couldn't quite remember where. I thought at the time how relevant it was, but I never got round to fully plagiarising it. Did I ever tell you that I've been blocked for ; for removing a personal attack against me on , which, rather embarrassingly for the blocking admin, was quickly rescinded; . None of that, however, beats the time {{u\|SchroCat}} was blocked for calling a section "Coward" on another editor's talk page when talking about ]. I laughed for days over the incompetence shown on that one. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 10:13, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::Take a peek at my block log. You'd swear that during those lovely years, I was the Charles Manson of Misplaced Pages. Even one editor chimed in back then, that I had psychological problems. Scrutiny jumps to extreme levels, when one is topic-banned. ] (]) 14:53, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:::Good grief, {{u\|GoodDay}}, I had no idea you were so "disruptive". There's some right old gems in there. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 14:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::Took me quite a while after I was allowed to return to Misplaced Pages, to get my 2 t-bans lifted as well. Even had to serve probation for about a year, in each situation. Anyways, fight through the storms & ''never'' retire. ] (]) 15:07, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Unlike you, I have no intention of fighting anything. It's pretty clear to everyone who has had input in this that ArbCom are corrupt and incompetent. And there's no point in fighting that. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:35, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

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	:{{u\|L235\|Maybe}} they'd care to lift Sandstein's rather desperate sanction on me then seeing as they have now, at last, acknowledged their own incompetence. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
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	Hi, Cassianto. I read your comment with interest. The number of diffs is a bit overwhelming, though; when I clicked on a random sample, they turned out to be months old. Was there anything recent hiding in there? As in, from the last few days? I'd be prepared to warn, and possibly sanction, people who indulge in such practices, but I can't do it if the issue is stale. Please feel free to alert me on my page if you should see new infobox discussions being started where there's already a recent consensus, ''or'' if you see people adding an infobox in defiance of a topnote such as the one on ]. Incidentally, about that topnote; it refers to a pretty old consensus, from 2015. Isn't there anything newer? ] \| ] 16:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC).
	:The diffs, in-terms of their volume, don't even scratch the surface, {{u\|Bishonen\|Bish}}. I only stopped because I became bored and I had to go and dye the grey bits in my once black beard, that I had when I woke up this morning. The diffs I provided on Kubrick were all conducted during the case, bar a few of the earlier ones which prompted Ian Rose to revert Volvoglia's edit. The committee ignored my emails on Kubrick, all except {{u\|Alex Shih}} who did his best but failed to administer anything more than a Dear John note on the user's talk page. I would put money on it that the committee knew of these infoboxes, and chose not to do anything as they nurse a bias towards them. The fact is, not one of them recognised that it was this disruption that caused this level of "incivility". That, of course, would mean Infobox 3 at Arbitration, but they are not up to the job to solve such a thing. Instead, they pick on me, and allow not only a troublemaker to file the case, but also allow them to canvass all my haters, thus undermining the case and making it all about me in all but name. '''That''' is why I'm so pissed off. Aside from that injustice, thank you for the offer and I'll happily ping you across an offender's name should it happen from now...there you go Gerda, "offender", there's another one to tell Opabinia Regalis on her talk page when you get there. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 18:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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	***I wouldn't know how to approach {{u\|Doug Weller\|you}} lot as I tended to spend most of my time writing content than fucking about with Misplaced Pages's politics. Try "offensive". I've deleted it, and I shall delete the one at Cary Grant, too, after I've finished here. I would request that you not virtue signal on behalf of those who are not offended by this and rather, back me up should the adding editor try to war on this. I don't think that's asking too much, do you? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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	The ''Wall Street Journal'' article has had a variety of different headlines in the print and electronic editions, but none of the arbitrators are responsible for any of them. Regards, ] (]) 20:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
	: I didn't say you were. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
	:: So you pinged us all here with a link because...? &spades;]&spades; ] 21:13, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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	{{u\|Alex Shih}}, {{u\|BU Rob13}}, {{u\|DGG}}, {{u\|Doug Weller}}, {{u\|Euryalus}}, {{u\|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{u\|Newyorkbrad}}, {{u\|Opabinia regalis}}, {{u\|Premeditated Chaos}}, {{u\|RickinBaltimore}}, {{u\|Worm That Turned}} - I trust a sanction or two will now be handed out? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 01:09, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	*I will repeat, for the hard of understanding: disruptively relitigating the same point over and over and over is '''<big>NOT</big>''' a 'content' thing, it's a BEHAVIOUR thing. Your remedy has solved nothing, and this will continue to be a problem and a thorn in people's sides, regardless of how much you try and wash your hands of it. – ] (]) 02:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::Decisions on whether an article should or shouldn't have an infobox are content issues, and can't be decided by Arbcom motion. Contant reopening of infobox straw polls - even in good faith - can eventually get a bit disruptive in terms of editor conduct, and are covered by the remedy imposing standard discretionary sanctions in infobox discusisons. To which end I've sent a DS alert to Siliconred, as an ordinary admin action -- ] (]) 02:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

	:::''Decisions'' are content issues yes, but that's not what I said. Disruptively relitigating the same point over and over and over is not a 'content' thing, it's a BEHAVIOUR thing. – ] (]) 02:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::::Hence the DS alert. -- ] (]) 03:04, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:::::Neither the DS alert, nor the remedies, say anything about the constant pushing of the point in new threads. Yes, an editor under sanction may only make one comment, but that could just as well be a comment to ''open'' a thread in a page that has seen too much discussion. You and your colleagues did not even bother to discuss the point, despite it coming up in the case. I can guarantee that if the question of an IB's removal was pushed so disruptively, we would have been dragged to various forums and been dealt with harshly. Again: you only dealt with the effect of a problem, and not the cause; I know it matters not - you and your colleagues are happy to brush the problem under the carpet as having been "dealt" with, regardless of the cost of editors. The Star Chamber really is a very poor way to manage volunteers trying to improve something, and you will have made the situation here much easier for the IB warriors, stalkers and trolls. - ] (]) 06:42, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::::::Thanks for the message, but I think it might confuse "infobox probation" with discretionary sanctions, both of which are authorised regarding infoboxes. Discretionary sanctions offer a wider range of responses to disruptive editing than just a "one comment" restriction. Details are at ]. -- ] (]) 07:42, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:::::::I will guarantee that not a single person is brought to book for constantly pushing the point, or for the ongoing drive-by addition of IB's by IPs. It's difficult when it's an IP, (if it ''is'' actually an IP): and from the last 24 hours alone, or by "new" users. Again: you have not addressed the ''cause'' of the problem, just one of its effects. – ] (]) 07:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::::::::Yeah, doubt those are really first-time editors. Appropriately reverted. -- ] (]) 08:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:::::::::{{u\|Euryalus}}, Can you see just how frustrating it is to have to deal with this sort of nonsense? Can you see that this isn't just about the content, but about the behaviour of the people behind those IP addresses and "new" accounts? This is one of the reasons I am angry: that this opportunity to examine the problem hasn't been solved at all. {{u\|Alex Shih}} has before as a problem (and I think he may have raised it during the case), as did a few others, but every time it's been raised, it's been ignored. No surprises from most of us - this was never about 'solving' the IB question, and most of your colleagues are happy to ignore the point, (or make fatuous comments to amuse their friends, in one case). - ] (]) 09:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::::::::::Short answer: yes, I can see exactly why it's frustrating. As I've said a couple of times, the endless reopening of infobox discussions can cross the line into disruptive conduct. Arbcom can't manadate a policy change, but we did authorise discretionary sanctions to help deal with exactly this. I presently have the dubious honour of being the only person to issue a DS alert to an editor on these grounds. And of course there's Bishonen's proposal to apply DS to the Kubrick page, which might also address that particular hotspot. I reckon the gradual implementation of infobox DS will have a beneficial effect, but let's see. On a related point, if you have a theory as to who these two recent IP editors might be, let me know. -- ] (]) 09:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:::::::::::I have nothing concrete on which to base any suspicions. That they are some form of logged out editor, or that this is part of a co-ordinated push is obvious (just see how many of these there have been since the close of the case - or look at the history of this page and see how may now-revdeled trolls have been poking Cass to nudge him over a civility 'line'). Some of us have had to deal with these sorts of tactics for years, and with scant attention or protection from anyone, and it's unsurprising that we're haemorrhaging good editors because of the ongoing conflict which yet another ArbCom case has failed to adequately deal with. - ] (]) 09:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	{{u\|Euryalus}} -- {{green\|"Contant {{sic}} reopening of infobox straw polls - even in good faith"}} -- No such thing. That is a complete oxymoron. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 02:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
			<big>Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!</big>
	::Not sure I agree, but whatever: the outcome is the same. Apologies for the typo. -- ] (]) 02:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:::The only outcome is more dickish behaviour from disruptive people who claim to be acting in good faith. All aided and abetted by you and the rest of the kangaroo court. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 02:48, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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			== Nadolig Llawen ==
	::::Hey, Cassianto, and ], I'm planning a page restriction regarding infoboxes at ]. Presumably that's within my discretion, but I don't quite have the chutzpah to set it in stone without first soliciting advice from fellow admins, so I've put it on ]. BTW Euryalus, nothing to do with this, but did my ping at the RFAR page a couple of days ago work? ] \| ] 08:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
	:::::A DS-related page restriction would be a good idea, in my view. Obviously subject to whatever AE thinks of it but hopefully they agree. And yes, the ping worked - sorry I haven't replied yet, I've been thinking on how best to formally propose it. Not a discussion for this page, perhaps, but it would address what I see as the fundamental problem with the case request and would increase the prospect of there being any effective outcomes. -- ] (]) 08:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::{{u\|Bishonen}}, thank you, that is the most helpful and productive thing anyone has ever done for this article for this article. {{u\|Alex Shih}}, {{u\|BU Rob13}}, {{u\|DGG}}, {{u\|Doug Weller}}, {{u\|Euryalus}}, {{u\|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{u\|Newyorkbrad}}, {{u\|Opabinia regalis}}, {{u\|Premeditated Chaos}}, {{u\|RickinBaltimore}}, {{u\|Worm That Turned}}, you should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves and very embarrassed that it's taken you all three months to achieve absolutely nothing, whereas Bishonen has literally thought up a constructive way forward for this problem overnight. Terrible. Oh, and by the way, is due to start. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:35, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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	:::::I'm glad you like my suggestion, Cass, but there's no logic in using it to attack arbcom. It's only because the committee decided to set discretionary sanctions for infobox matters that I'm able to set a page restriction for ]. Recently I've seen various arbs saying, and hinting, all over the place that they wish administrators would ''use'' the infobox discretionary sanctions already. That's how I was inspired to think "Aha, a page restriction for the poor abused Kubrick page!" And you urgently need to stop pinging them all in the way you do. Please don't treat people you're angry with as they were automatons with no feelings. The mass pinging is just harassment. ] \| ] 12:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC).
			<big>'''Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.'''<br/>Happy Christmas and Best wishes for a peaceful 2025:</big> performed by the ].<br />(], ] folk carol)
	:::::::I'm not attacking them, I'm pointing out their failings to deal with this matter; but then I'm just one of many. And when I say "them", I mean them as a committee, and not individually. Re the pings, well I disagree. Other than Euryalus, everyone else has been silent on this subject and not only do I still require answers, but more infoboxes are being added, and discussions being started, post case closure. It would be reasonable of me to think that the fact they've been silent here means they are not watching this page. I have no way of proving that, of course. I would hate to be accused of complaining behind people's backs, so I ping. Not one of them has told me that they find my pings "harassing", and for me to reasonably know I'm harassing, according to the official wording, I ought to know that what I'm doing amounts to harassment. I don't, as they've not said so. Now, if they did say, and I went onto ping again, that would be harassment, in my opinion. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 15:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
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	*{{u\|Euryalus}}, By way of clarification (and to show that despite everything, people will always try and find a way), do you see as reasonable or disruptive, given the thread just above it, and the move towards trying to dampen down ongoing disruption on that page? It's not about content: it's about behaviour. - ] (]) 10:11, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
	::Me personally? I don't think merely using the word "infobox" is disruptive; in context it probably would be if it was followed by an attempt to open yet another RFC, straw poll or in depth discussion on the topic on this page, so soon after the previous one. That's something the DS notification aims to prevent. -- ] (]) 12:17, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
	::But to the extent it is unclear, I've added another note on the talkpage. -- ] (]) 12:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::{{u\|Euryalus}}, So opening a thread under a different title, but pointedly referring to the absence of an infobox is OK? Leaving the bait for others to jump in (either in support or refuting the point), ''isn't'' disruptive, particularly given the threads above it? Jeez... it's no real wonder that you haven't taken some of the complaints seriously if you can't acknowledge the POV pushing when it's this blatant. - ] (]) 12:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
	::::Mildly, I don't think that's a reasonable characterisation of my response, or of the reminder I just added on the article talkpage for everyone to give infobox mentions a rest during the DS period. But my view on your question has no more weight than any other admin, so having posted extensively here in the last few days I'll give it a rest myself and let others offer views. -- ] (]) 12:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::::I'm struggling to parse it differently, I'm afraid. It must be my clumsy comprehension, as we seem to have crossed wires on the point. - ] (]) 13:10, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hello!

Hi, Cassianto,

I was wondering if you decided to return to the project. I know we had some disagreements years ago but you've been missed! Liz 19:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Liz, thanks ever so much for your message, that's very kind of you. The jury is currently out deciding if I made the right decision to return, but I guess only time will tell. There's a few bits on here that I wanted to do (time allowing) so hopefully I can be left alone in relative peace to get on with it. I must admit, I can't remember our disagreements, but I certainly bear no grudge. I think it's important to remember that having disagreements is a fundamental part of human interaction and are good and healthy to have. Thanks for popping by and I hope to see you around. Cassianto 20:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cassianto. I, too, want to welcome you back. I remember disagreeing with you from time to time, but I never once doubted that you have made outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia. I hope that resumes and I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 20:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Jim. Cassianto 21:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Good to see you back! I sent you a gmail message just to check if you got my email!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Dr. Blofeld, I've not been receiving your messages, which I find most odd. The Gmail one went straight to my junk. Cassianto 19:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Yesterday I sent a link to my cousin, and he said it was blocked from viewing. It's starting to feel like somebody is monitoring and censoring things! I got your test, see if you get the Got It email. My sister's husband, a fit guy of only 43 almost died of a heart attack last week, artery 98% collapsed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm so very sorry to hear that, how devastating for your family. There certainly seems to be a lot of unexplained heart problems at the moment. I wonder what's causing it? Cassianto 18:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Just sent you an email, did you get it? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I did and replied. Cassianto 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

About bloody time!

- SchroCat (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Tell me about it! I've missed not having anyone to call a c- *ahem* ;) SN54129 15:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I've missed your C bombs, SN; it's one of the reasons I returned as I was having withdrawal symptoms. Cassianto 06:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

You're too kind, thanks. By the way, where has the "thank" button gone? Cassianto 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back, good to see you. - Dank (push to talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Dan, good to hear from you. Cassianto 13:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

In the best Australianese, I can only echo the section heading... ;-) While we're here, Dan it's good to see you back at TFA...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Much thanks, Ian, lovely to hear from you. Cassianto 15:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Btw, can you recommend a TFA article (rerun or not) for Australia Day on 26 January? Australia and Canberra are options, but I'm a little wary because Main Page people tend to scrutinize country and city articles. - Dank (push to talk) 15:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC) Striking ... too controversial, we'll find a different day. - Dank (push to talk) 12:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Fuck me dead. I genuinely thought you'd retired for good, even took this talk page off my watchlist. Welcome back. I hope you've been well. Mr rnddude (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Ha, I had some unfinished business here and here, and Mrs Cassianto was getting annoyed with the books hanging around, so I thought I'd get these finished. Hope you're well! Cassianto 21:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Email

I sent you something this morning and got back "This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address failed: (yours)

SMTP error from remote server for MAIL FROM command, blablabla. All messages from my (ip) will be permanently def erred; Retrying will NOT succeed. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I've emailed you back. Cassianto 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

It blocked the second attempt too! So I just tried sending two urls. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

You got it! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much, yes, and duly forwarded on to others of like mindedness :) Cassianto 16:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Good to see your name

Good to see your name around. I'm not the most active these days, but a positive for the project that you're around. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I had some unfinished projects eating away at my conscience, so felt it right to return to get them finished. I hope you're well. Cassianto 07:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Echoing this- delighted to see you back. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind message, Jip. Hope to see you around. All the best Cassianto 16:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cassianto: Good to see you back. I'm really glad your back with your original name, which I thought was cool. scope_creep 20:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

That's very kind, thank you. Cassianto 21:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Great to see you also Cas. Its almost like old times and hope you are well. Ceoil (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Bless you, Ceoil, lovely to hear from you. All good here; please give my best to Liz. Cassianto 19:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

About the “attack page”

I was recording the apparent stance of editors of the Gilbert and Sullivan project on infoboxes to make a case about systemic bias on the project as almost all active users don’t seem terribly fond of infoboxes. Even if you disagree with the categorization that hardly constitutes an “attack”, especially in comparison with your comparison of me to the Schutzstaffel. Dronebogus (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Well don't. I don't much enjoy having my name secretly recorded by strangers off the internet. Your list is not only weird and creepy and akin to what the Nazis did in the 1940s, it is also factually wrong. I'm not "anti" anything, and if you bothered to check my article creation history, you'll see that I have included infoboxes on many of the articles I have started. But then you wouldn't have, would you, as it'll ruin your narrative. Cassianto 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

It’s not “secret” if you found it. Dronebogus (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Correction, I was told about it. Secret or not, it's weird. Please remove my name. You've no reason to include it anywhere and accompany it with false information. Cassianto 21:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Re yesterday

Hello Cassianto. Sorry about what happened yesterday. I was overly aggressive and I apologise. I'm not in the business of burning bridges and I'm not going to be starting now. I don't like Misplaced Pages pile-ons and got a bit annoyed at seeing one happen to an editor whom I've had a positive opinion of for a while now. Please don't think I'm a bad faith actor sniping from the sidelines: just trying to do what I think is right, but obviously chose the nuclear option there. Don't want to kill any future collaboration we may have on an article, so coming here to rebuild that bridge. All the best for the future - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Tim, thank you for your message. It was an unfortunate situation and not one I wish to see repeated. Whilst it is regrettable that you and I had crossed words, and I bear no grudge, I don't regret my initial concern with my name being used, alongside a false description, on a weird list by a complete stranger. Anyway, let's hope that is now behind us. Best regards. Cassianto 20:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Again, I apologise. Never met you before, so regret that was our first interaction. Just to clear the air. Cheers - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I apologise too. Hope to see you around. Cassianto 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

And some trolls call me obsessive!

Pointless noise and yet still missing the point? Plus ca change with those who "never speak about" such things, unless it's behind people's backs and in the gutter at the same time! Hope you're keeping well; we'll have to sort out some pre-Christmas drinks with the old fella sometime. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, these people (I can think of other words) will never realise who the real trouble makers are around infoboxes; it's certainly plain enough for the rest of us to see, which leads me to believe that perhaps they're in on it. It's my belief that the reason these infobox trolls and their admin enablers are all so full of their own self importance in the pretend world of Misplaced Pages is that they need to make up for clear inadequacies they have in reality. God forbid if these people are in real life positions of power. I'll be in touch about Christmas - let's arrange something. December is looking more likely than this month. Cassianto 07:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

This is from the old fella (SchroCat will pay for his impertinence). You'd both better come round to Riley Towers again in December. A buffet and any amount of wet will be available. Kindly sort some dates out by email; I can't do 1st, 4th or 12th. Tim riley talk 22:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!

Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus!

Cheers

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Seasons Greetings!

Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
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Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2025! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
Happy Christmas and Best wishes for a peaceful 2025: "Gabriel's Message" performed by the Winchester Cathedral Choir.
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