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			== This article needs stricter requirements in which constitutes a contemporary ultranationalist party ==
	I don't think ultranationalism should link to the nationalism page, and instead should have a page of its own. Ultranationalism is very different from normal nationalism as it is far more extreme. At the very least the page 'nationalism' should have a specific section on ultranationalism before the phrase ultranationalism is linked to it. ] (]) 01:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

			I'm only talking on behalf of the Finnish "Finns Party", but I suspect other parties listed in the article might not fill the criteria for ultranationalism either. Pretty much nothing of the first few paragraphs of the article applies to the program or actions of The Finns Party (political violence, supremacism, "nation as a mythological organic entity"), rendering the list wholly unreliable and arbitrary. Essentially a contemporary nationalist-conservative-populist party is equaled to another since banned Finnish party that was called Patriotic People's Movement (IKL), which was literally a fascist party. Suomen Sisu is also an ultranationalist organisation to some extent, so at least regarding them, the article is correct.
	:I agree completely. ] (]) 01:45, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

			This is problematic, considering how strong of a label "ultranationalist" is, especially for democratically elected parties that do their best to avoid that label. I would suggest using more caution when categorizing different parties, and using their official programs and official statements as reference. ] (]) 13:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
	::Are you aware of any good sources that explain ultranationalism (beyond a simple definition)? I've only had a quick check but I can't find anything that explains it in a detailed manner that could be relied upon as a citation. ] (]) 02:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

			== Chinese Communist Party ==
	::Are you aware of any good sources that explain ultranationalism (beyond a simple definition)? I've only had a quick check but I can't find anything that explains it in a detailed manner that could be relied upon as a citation. ] (]) 02:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

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	::Disagree. Any ideology can exist in an extreme form, that doesn't warrant a specific article (ultraliberals, ultra communism etc.). There is nothing special about nationalism existing in extreme form. Besides the sources for this article are quite poor. Citing an author of an article out of context as if he was a household name doesn't work well.--] (]) 08:32, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

			This is one of the I presented when I added the Chinese Communists Party to the article as an :
	:::"Cyprian P. Blamires, Ph.D., is a freelance scholar, editor, writer, and translator based in the United Kingdom". This guy doesn't exactly sound like a leading authority (no tenure apparently) and he is the only source (apart from a dictionary definition).--] (]) 08:48, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

			{{tq\|'''Utilizing the Great Firewall, <ins>Chinese Communist Party (CCP)</ins> propaganda has been implementing different strategies for its international and domestic audiences.''' While trying to appeal to international audiences by criticizing issues such as racism and colonialism in Western democracies, '''China has increased its efforts to cultivate <ins>far-right nationalism</ins> ideologies as a domestic propaganda tool to justify its policies in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and the lack of human rights improvements.''' The Great Translation Movement offers people who do not understand the Chinese language an opportunity to examine many outrageous propaganda materials and the outcomes of those propaganda efforts.}}
	::::Personally I have never heard of "ultraliberals" or "ultra communism". "Utlraliberal" sounds like a derogatory US specific term. Where a specific term exists I think it is important to use and explain it. The more specific and accurate an article is, the better. Whether an author is a household name or not makes no difference. The person is sourced because they are commenting on ultranationaism academically in a book specifically discussing fascism (a related topic). ] (]) 03:19, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

			{{tq\|With this “name and shame” tactic, '''the movement also became a tool to fight against <ins>extreme nationalism</ins> in <ins>China and the government</ins>’s propaganda efforts to promote those messages.''' Shortly after the vulgar language around “sheltering” young Ukrainian women created a backlash, China began censoring sexist messages that mocked the sufferings of Ukrainian civilians. The Great Translation Movement declared a partial victory against CCP propaganda on Twitter, citing signs that various levels of the Chinese government halted and censored their propaganda efforts due to the pressure from the campaign.}}
	:::::An article doesn't automatically become more accurate by using a more specific term, if that term is too narrow or misleading. When it comes to nationalism there is a wide range of qualifiers that are more helpful than "ultra". Such as ethnonationalism, ethnopluralism etc. The main distinction is between civic and ethnic nationalism, not moderate and ultra/extreme.--] (]) 16:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
	:::::A book by a freelance researcher must generally be given lower weight than one by a tenured academic as there is less quality control of his/her research.--] (]) 16:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

			The source clearly refers to the CCP and "China" as "far-right nationalism". Furthermore, the source refers to the Chinese "government" as "extreme nationalism".
	::::::If the term is correct for the article in question then I fail to see how being more specific does not in turn make the article more accurate. Yes, I can see how in some circumstances other definitions such as ethnonationalism and ethnopluralism may be more accurate. However I think ultranationalism can also be an accurate and perfectly good term to use that can be either just as appropriate or more appropriate for some articles. I don't see why this term cannot also exist along with those you mention. ] (]) 06:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

			China is a one-party dictatorship based on Marxism-Leninism, and therefore cannot separate the '<ins>party</ins>' from the '<ins>government</ins>' or '<ins>China</ins> as the meaning of state/country'. The CCP should therefore be added as part of the ultranationalist political party within the article. ] (]) 08:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	== The "Myth" of National Rebirth? ==
			:All the sources talk about ultranationalism in the Chinese propaganda environment or social media. They don't mention an ultranationalist faction within the CCP. Most sources I see state CCP strategically uses nationalist messaging to boost support over its policies, while still keeping a tight control over nationalists. Additionally {{tq\|China is a one-party dictatorship based on Marxism-Leninism, and therefore cannot separate the '<ins>party</ins>' from the '<ins>government</ins>' or '<ins>China</ins> as the meaning of state/country'.}} is ]. ] (]) 12:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
	Why is the possibility of National Rebirth considered a "myth"?
			::However, Xi's individual is also described as an ultranationalist. The current CCP is Xi's one-man dictatorship, not a collective leadership system. ] (]) 07:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

	Firstly, this seems like a highly contentious and emotive term, presumably designed to reflect the author's personal feelings on the matter, rather than any kind of objective view.

	Secondly, since it is ( - presumably - ) impossible to give a "hard-and-fast" definition of what "National Rebirth" actually '''IS''', it seems rather silly to describe so nebulous a concept with such a concrete term as "myth". Not to mention presumptuous.

	I'm therefore going to change "myth" to "notion".
	] (]) 14:34, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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This article needs stricter requirements in which constitutes a contemporary ultranationalist party

I'm only talking on behalf of the Finnish "Finns Party", but I suspect other parties listed in the article might not fill the criteria for ultranationalism either. Pretty much nothing of the first few paragraphs of the article applies to the program or actions of The Finns Party (political violence, supremacism, "nation as a mythological organic entity"), rendering the list wholly unreliable and arbitrary. Essentially a contemporary nationalist-conservative-populist party is equaled to another since banned Finnish party that was called Patriotic People's Movement (IKL), which was literally a fascist party. Suomen Sisu is also an ultranationalist organisation to some extent, so at least regarding them, the article is correct.

This is problematic, considering how strong of a label "ultranationalist" is, especially for democratically elected parties that do their best to avoid that label. I would suggest using more caution when categorizing different parties, and using their official programs and official statements as reference. 86.115.240.62 (talk) 13:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Chinese Communist Party

@The Account 2

This is one of the sources I presented when I added the Chinese Communists Party to the article as an ultranationalist political party:

Utilizing the Great Firewall, Chinese Communist Party (CCP) propaganda has been implementing different strategies for its international and domestic audiences. While trying to appeal to international audiences by criticizing issues such as racism and colonialism in Western democracies, China has increased its efforts to cultivate far-right nationalism ideologies as a domestic propaganda tool to justify its policies in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and the lack of human rights improvements. The Great Translation Movement offers people who do not understand the Chinese language an opportunity to examine many outrageous propaganda materials and the outcomes of those propaganda efforts.

With this “name and shame” tactic, the movement also became a tool to fight against extreme nationalism in China and the government’s propaganda efforts to promote those messages. Shortly after the vulgar language around “sheltering” young Ukrainian women created a backlash, China began censoring sexist messages that mocked the sufferings of Ukrainian civilians. The Great Translation Movement declared a partial victory against CCP propaganda on Twitter, citing signs that various levels of the Chinese government halted and censored their propaganda efforts due to the pressure from the campaign.

The source clearly refers to the CCP and "China" as "far-right nationalism". Furthermore, the source refers to the Chinese "government" as "extreme nationalism".

China is a one-party dictatorship based on Marxism-Leninism, and therefore cannot separate the 'party' from the 'government' or 'China as the meaning of state/country'. The CCP should therefore be added as part of the ultranationalist political party within the article. ProKMT (talk) 08:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

All the sources talk about ultranationalism in the Chinese propaganda environment or social media. They don't mention an ultranationalist faction within the CCP. Most sources I see state CCP strategically uses nationalist messaging to boost support over its policies, while still keeping a tight control over nationalists. Additionally China is a one-party dictatorship based on Marxism-Leninism, and therefore cannot separate the 'party' from the 'government' or 'China as the meaning of state/country'. is original research. The Account 2 (talk) 12:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

However, Xi's individual is also described as an ultranationalist. The current CCP is Xi's one-man dictatorship, not a collective leadership system. ProKMT (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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