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	I've been doing some copyediting at ] (it's at "On this day..." today), and I keep running across "Shōwa Emperor". I seem to remember you talking about this stuff before—he wouldn't be the "Shōwa Emperor" until after he's dead. How should he be referred to in English, then? Obviously not 天皇陛下, but ... "Hirohito"? Not how it would be done in Japanese, but seems to be common in English writing. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 00:03, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:{{re|Curly Turkey}} In that context, I would say "the mperor" is clear enough in most cases, except that Manchukuo also had ]. Since the title of our article is what it is, I would say calling him that is fine for other articles on en.wiki, and I'm pretty sure the majority of English-language RSes on the topic do the same anyway. Way back in he mid-2000s I think I recall being involved in an RM at the article on the emperor himself, which was never going to go anywhere worthwhile as he's probably the only figure in Japanese history to whom ] actually applies. Anyway, you're right that "the Shōwa Emperor" is silly in that context as the whole thing took place within the Shōwa era. ] (<small>]]</small>) 01:47, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:: So you're saying go with "Hirohito"? Or how about "the Japanese Emperor"? ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 02:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::I'd say go with "Hirohito". Most readers are familiar with the name, and while "the Japanese emperor" might be more 丁寧, (i) it's still kinda ambiguous to readers who do not know when he was crowned, (ii) it feels kinda like "othering" "the Japanese", even though they are fairly central to the topic of that article, and (iii) avoiding use of the emperor's name on English Misplaced Pages isn't really possible, so there's no point being euphemistic.
	:::On an unrelated note: when going to check if the article included any background information on Japanese colonial adventures in the Meiji and Taishō periods (for point (i) above), I noticed that the "Background" section is nearly all about etymology and usage of the name "Manchuria" (as opposed to "Manchukuo") and the first two paragraphs of "Origins" is really what most articles would call "Background". It's not really a copyediting issue, but I just thought it interesting.
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	:::: I might be misremembering, but I thought there was some issue with calling him "Emperor Hirohito", and just calling him "Hirohito" perhaps doesn't put him in the proper context.
	:::: There are lots of issues with the article (check out those {{tld|cn}}s), but I don't have the background to fix them. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 05:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Oh. Yeah, I guess that could be a concern. Maybe the first time he is mentioned in the article (assuming he was already emperor; I haven't checked) introduce him as "Emperor Hirohito" or "The Japanese emperor, Hirohito" or some such. I don't recall a specific instance in the past when this came up and you and I were involved; the closest I can remember is where our mutual "friend" kept insisting, even after the relevant passage in the article was already fixed, on passive-aggressively talking about how the Meiji era was named after it's emperor, Emperor Meiji, despite repeatedly being corrected, but that's really not the same problem at all. ] (<small>]]</small>) 07:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::::: I don't really remember, but I don't think it came up in a dispute, but rather when you were bitching about the quality of an article (perhaps tangentially to a dispute?). ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 07:19, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::::: Alright, I've introduced him as "], the Japanese emperor", and then have him as "Hirohito" for the rest of the article. What would you recommend for (say) Meiji artcles? I don't think sources ever call him anything but Meiji. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 07:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::::::In the majority of cases, "the emperor" would be clear enough. I think English sources don't tend to refer to him by his given name, instead preferring to just treat "Meiji" as his name, even if it may be wrong, anachronistic or weird in places. (By contrast, no one uses simply "Shōwa" as though it were his name.) AFAIAC, writing "real history" as we are (and as, for example, Keene was when he wrote ''Emperor of Japan: Meiji and His World'') is different from writing historical fiction like ''The Last Samurai'' (which somewhat laughably has a character refer to "the divine emperor Meiji" while Meiji was still very much alive, and indeed sitting right there); in the latter case, characters should speak as they actually would have, but for us writing according to retrospective conventions probably shouldn't cause all that much hassle. The only real problems arise when editors insert anachronisms like "The Meiji era was named for Emperor Meiji and corresponds to Meiji's reign." into articles. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::::::: Heh. That one goes beyond even simple "anachronoism"—the era doesn't even correspond with his reign. What would you name him, though, if you had to name him in 1867? ] has "In late 1866, however, first shogun Iemochi and then Emperor Kōmei died, respectively succeeded by Yoshinobu and Emperor Meiji." ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 08:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
	:::::::::I was gonna check what Keene did, but would need to finally get around to spring cleaning to locate my copy, and yesterday was ... tiring. I would say "Kōmei's son Prince Mutsuhito"; "who would later be known as Emperor Meiji" would work after that if you feel it right, and only link the latter as it's the title of our article. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
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			I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in ] because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not ''trying ''to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —] (]) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Peter coxhead}} You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective ] interpretation. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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			::Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? ] (]) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::All interpretations of ] are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh ] in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, ], ], the mountain ranges of the ] and the ]). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved ]; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.
			::Secondly, also for you {{ping|Peter coxhead|p=}}, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of ]—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —] (]) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			:::I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is ''not'' a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are ''kinda'' in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to ] as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and ''definitely not'' "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).
			:::I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to ] as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "]" and "]" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase ] and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our ] article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is ''not'' an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)
			:::] (<small>]]</small>) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
			::::BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument ''against'' using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}} I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.
			:I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.{{ping|Nardog}} I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally ''dis''agreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.
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	::* You could have changed the source's {{tq|''apartment buildings, which he owned and managed with his mother, who lives in Florida''}} to read something like "He co-administered several apartment buildings with his Florida-based mother", but instead used the close paraphrase (with almost all the same words) {{tq|''owned and managed some apartment buildings, with his mother, who lives in Florida''}}
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	::* Source had {{tq|''Police dashcam video and surveillance footage shows Mr Smith reversed his car into the police vehicle twice during his attempt to drive off.''}} Your text was {{tq|''Dashcam video from their police car recorded Smith reversed his car into the their vehicle twice, before driving off.''}} You arguably ''did'' paraphrase sufficiently, but you forgot to change the verb form (you should have changed "reversed" to "reversing"), clearly indicating you copy-pasted the text and then edited in the Misplaced Pages text-editing box rather than rewriting it from scratch. Actually the rest of your text is all ''very'' close to the source's wording, so "arguably paraphrased sufficiently" only applies to the sentence I quoted here.
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	::You need to recognize that that this is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy, and ''stop'' doing it. Simply saying you didn't do it to begin with is definitely insufficient. And the above are just the first two random pieces of substantial prose I could find on a brief scan of your contribs; have you written any long articles which cited sources in English and ''didn't'' include a significant volume of closely paraphrased text?
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	:::{{ping|Dream Focus}} Are you really sure you don't want to reply to the above, acknowledge that you have been violating copyright policy, apologize, and promise to do better going forward? I'll give you some more time -- until a couple of hours after your next edit, I guess.
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	:::I've done a bit of sleuthing, and noticed that in 2012 you closely paraphrased text from abcnews.go.com, then when the text was caught and fixed you acknowledged it, but you have basically continued doing the same thing up to when you wrote the ] article two days ago. In September 2013 you removed a copy-paste tag on an article claiming that no justification had been offered and that the text was not copy-pasted, then few days later someone came along and removed a significant amount of copyvio text. In December 2013 you defended some very close paraphrasing on another article. Your ] article from 2015 was almost entirely plagiarized until I fixed it today.
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	:::Your having once on what you called "word for word" copy-paste jobs makes it easy enough to ] on your part, specifically that you assumed moving words around was enough and that the only thing that was forbidden was content that was longer than, say, ten words, and was from-start-to-finish identical to the source. So, assuming good faith, '''you have misunderstood our copyright policy''' and have continued to do so for at least the last six years. Good-faith misunderstandings can be -- and frequently are -- forgiven by the community (I will not name the recent example I'm thinking of, mind), but you need to recognize the problem, apologize for the disruption your edits have caused, and demonstrate a willingness to improve. You also need to stop dismissing these concerns by saying things like {{tq|''I have not copied word for word text at all.''}}, {{tq|''its not a copyvio''}}, {{tq|''its in the reference''}}, etc.
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	*This is ridiculous. You added in something not in the reference. The police said "far-right groups" no one saying "conservative anti-immigrant" but you. And many at that time said don't just quote people directly, but write out what they said in the way I have done there. There no violations there. There are no word for word copy of text at all. anyway, kindly stop bothering me with your petty nonsense. ] 15:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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	::{{re|Dream Focus}} "far-right" usually covers "conservative anti-immigrant", and in that case it is obvious that that is what was meant. It's a judgement call, but what you had done in copying the sources' exact words was completely unacceptable. Do you not acknowledge this? ] (<small>]]</small>) 20:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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	*You mention this. You stated "Removed unattributed quotation" when you erased something I put back, you not searching the referenced text to find it I assume. It is relevant information to have, and its in the article now. There is only so many ways to rewrite that information. ] 15:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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	::What do you mean by "you not searching the referenced text to find it I assume"? I did search the reference, and I noticed it used the exact same words, which is why I removed it as a copyvio. ] (<small>]]</small>) 20:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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			I just saw at '']''. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions (). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --] (]) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
			:I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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			I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, . Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. ] 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
			:I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."
			:Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is ''specifically'' about Japanese poetry (the ] article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about ] content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.
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			::{{ping|Staticshakedown}} Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did . Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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			== I have unwatched ] having found your response aggressive ==
			I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? ]<sup>]</sup> 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
			:I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. ] (<small>]]</small>) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
			::I didn't knowingly 'double-down' on anything, I didn't realise you were the original proposer of the move until a few minutes ago. It was a comprehension mistake. I'm sorry you felt my comments were frustrating, I'll aim to be more careful with snipping people's comments in future but I still feel you came back way too hard and assumed I was trying to mislead when in fact I was inviting you to comment as I thought you were a responder to the original move request. I'm bowing out here, let's both agree to be better? ]<sup>]</sup> 14:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
			:::You responded to my that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the ''buke'' class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert ] citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! ] (<small>]]</small>) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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			Hello Hijiri,
			I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article ]. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book ''African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan'' by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a '']'': "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.
			Your insight and knowledge would be much appreciated. — ] (]) 04:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
			:{{re|Goszei}} I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of ''Japanese'' history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.
			:As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially ]. As for Japanese usage, ''Kojien'' gives the primary meaning of "same as ''saburai'', i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the ] (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).
			:] (<small>]]</small>) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
			::BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime '']'': the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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			:I mean... I know that, but I'm not trying to win anyone over. I wanted to fix the "onabu-]" hoax, and unless you or some unnamed third party are trying to undo that, I don't see any disagreement, let alone a need to argue or convince anyone. ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
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			== Edit conflict with speedy close ==
			'''Retarget''' It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect {{noredirect|3.11}} that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that {{user|Polyamorph}} "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
			:Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for ''discussion'' is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. ] (]) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
			:I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. <small>''''']''''' (])</small> 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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			:{{ping|Elizium23}} I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on ] and ], I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited ''no'' sources for the better part of a month before eventually , while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a ]). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on ] implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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			== Between suspicion and aspersion ==
			Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's ''not'' OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to ] and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! <span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">☿&nbsp;] (]&nbsp;])</span> 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
			:FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.
			:Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the ''first'' time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).
			:I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I ''do'' think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me ({{tq|Comparing editors to Nazis}} is actually one of the specific examples listed at ] -- it's actually what got the famous {{noping|Til Eulenspiegel}} <small>initially</small> banned <small>from editing English Misplaced Pages</small>), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and ''the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given ] and has been abusing it'', but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.
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			== Natemup, Stormshadows00, and Katemeshi101 ==
			{{ping|Blue Pumpkin Pie}} I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" ] article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.
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			:I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in ], who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right.
			:As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
			:::{{tq|editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict")}} Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai ''because the show is fiction'' and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
			::You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.] (]) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
			:::Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
			::::{{tq|I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration"}} Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. {{tq|Historian Thomas Lockely}} Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, {{tq|almost certainly granted such samurai status}} is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the ''Shinchōki'' that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". {{tq|the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong}} That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			However, if you would like to continue handling the matter, I can offer you whatever advice/assistance you may want (beyond the above replies that I decided not to post) here on my own talk page.
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			:BTW, I'm ''only'' talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant ]ping/]sing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. ] (<small>]]</small>) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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			{{ping|CycoMa|Crossroads}} I don't think I was the referent of , but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per ], I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.
			My ]ping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics.<small> And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".</small>
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			::::That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says {{tq|females, rarely males}}. ] (]) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
			:::::<small>(Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.)</small> I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up and as sources indicating that ''atashi'' is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use ''atashi'' to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning ] on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use ''atashi''"): it is '''very''' female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. ] (<small>]]</small>) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
			::::::Sorry! It's not obvious from , but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in ] as well as in ]; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is ] that ''atashi'' is feminine (see also ]'s comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances.
			::::::These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language<small> (I focused on ''atashi'' because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are ], although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") </small>but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary<small> ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex")</small>.
			::::::] (<small>]]</small>) 11:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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			{{ping|Crossroads}} For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after {{tq|...cares enough to pay for that.}}, but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
			See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with ''they''. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use ''she''. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great ]'s official global site has a history section whose that reads {{tq|Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since '''the its''' establishment.}}, says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of ''press'' releases but simply news updates), their page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be {{tq|Number of Board Members}} is {{tq|Member of the Board}} and what should be something like {{tq|CEO and Representative Director}} is instead the utterly bizarre {{tq|Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO}}; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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			== Yamato kotoba ==
			Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and ''every one of them'' uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? ] ] 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
			:Are you sure? Most ''linguistics'' sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-''Kokinshū'' waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting ''de facto'' semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
			::I merely came across this as I'm writing the ] article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.
			::::''"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)"'' -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.
			::::'' "Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese."'' -- page 16-17.
			:::: ''"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin"'' -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.
			::So I would be interested to ''see'' those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. ] ] 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
			:::Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned , which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. ] (<small>]]</small>) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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	:Weird commonality time: the you and I interacted ''also'' involved me cleaning up copyvio work and the editor responsible accusing me of "hounding" them when I was actually going out of my way to keep them from getting blocked. It's a small world after all... or history repeats itself... or something.
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	::I appreciate how you made the rest of us aware of the problem, as well as the way that you have stood up for me in the recent discussions. Thanks! --] (]) 22:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::{{re|Tryptofish}} Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm the cause of the problem. See, there's been a recent jump in the number of really dubious postings to that list, and in the activity level of one of the project's apparently more "tendentious" editors, and this hike coincided with my noticing the problem and bringing it up on VPM. It seems likely that they would not be causing as much disruption as they currently are if they weren't trying to prove they were still relevant in response to comments like and . ] (<small>]]</small>) 23:06, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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	] Please ] in your dealings with other editors, which you did not do on ]. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. If you can't get along with me, then I suggest you not reply to me ''at all''. I have known Jack Sebastian a lot longer than I have known you. If you continue to assume bad faith, attempt to initiate further conflict between us, or make futher ], I will have no choice but to go straight to the Arbitration Committee with everything going back to January 2017. If your goal is to bait me into an argument with you to convince ] to help drive me out of the discussion, note that I will not be taking said bait. This is your '''one and only warning'''. <!-- Template:uw-agf3 --> ''']]]''' 01:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Darkknight2149}} Please assume good faith yourself. I told you to strike or blank your reference to AlexTheWhovian as Jack Sebastian would be unable to respond to it without running the risk of getting blocked. You responded by initially striking it, then going on to invoke Alex's name two more times. My initial response to you made it quite clear that I was assuming you made a good-faith mistake and were not aware of the ban, but by repeatedly invoking it as you have been doing you have made my original good-faith assumption untenable. You have now brought it up ''three times'', and made it near-impossible for Jack to defend himself without skirting the ban. The simple fact, which I suspect you are not even aware of having apparently not read the discusson, is that the IBAN was mutual, and voluntary, so presenting it as a precedent for a one-way sanction on Jack was way out of line. ] (<small>]]</small>) 01:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	: ]—pretty remarkable that you'd issue threats at Hijiri and accuse him of ] while telling him he should "assume good faith". Things didn't go well last time you took on a pile of editors at ANI, and there are continued concerns with the fact that you still proclaim yourself the wronged party over that stuff. If you launch another such drahmah, people are much less likely show you sympathy or patience this time around. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 05:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:: I just saw We'll be seeing you dig your own grave, because you'll obviously not stop without getting your revenge against the community. I don't know who these four alleged "cronies" are, but those who voted for the TBAN should be aware of what's going on here and at ]: {{ping|Jbhunley|Twitbookspacetube|Softlavender|Adamfinmo|Mr rnddude}}. This is appparently the drahmah that never ends. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 06:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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	:: {{ec}} That warning extends to you too, Curly. And the "pack" is the main reason you succeeded in your disruption and ]. There isn't going to be a repeat of last time or more arguing. I've been collating evidence against the four of you for the past year, and you have continued your disruption even in discussions that I haven't even touched. Continue and this is all going straight to the Arbitration Committee. It's as simple as that. They already blocked Twitbookspacetube for continuing the exact behaviour that I warned everyone about at ANI. I doubt ArbCom will be too pleased with what you have been doing either. I've said my piece. It all depends on you. ''']]]''' 06:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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	:: And while you are canvassing editors, I was actually referring specifically to Twitbook, {{u|Drmies}}, {{re|Softlavender}}, Hijiri, and you. Think very carefully about your next actions if you don't want me to file the lengthy ArbCom report against you. ''']]]''' 06:11, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::: "Canvassing", as in "pinging the people you're threatening behind their backs"? You just open a little <s>ANI thread</s> ARBCOM report on that one, cupcake. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 06:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::: I just told you who I was talking about, and the users you canvassed aren't it. And the ArbCom report depends 100% on you. By continuing to try (and fail) to initiate a fight with me, am I to assume that I should go ahead and file it? ''']]]''' 06:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::::: You're going to do whatever the flying fuck you want, and it'll have nothing to do with what any of us say or do. I'm just looking forward to watching you go around in circles trying to convince people I've "canvassed" anyone (or any of your other conspiracy theories) and clutching to that for the rest of your time on earth. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 07:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::: My filing of the report depends solely on whether or not you continue your disruption. And should you force me to file the report, it would be a near diff-by-diff breakdown of all the events and disruption that transpired from before, during, and after the January 2017 incident. I won't be leaving anything out, so it would be very difficult for you to lie your way out of that one. If you think I'm going into this blind, you are mistaken. Even now, you are exhibiting your trademark smug incivility. That's all I have to say to you here. Continue your disruption or don't. The decision is yours. Ideally, it won't happen at all. ''']]]''' 07:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::::::: So, you mean a list of the diffs that led to your TBAN? Go ahead. I'm eagerly waiting to find out what "disruption" you think I'm causing here, and what evidence you have that I'm in bed with Softlavender, Twitbook, and Drmies. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 08:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	I don’t think I’m the Adam you are looking for. —] (]) 07:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	: ]: it's irrelevant now, as it doesn't appear you're one of the "conspirators" DK is threatening, but you were indeed one of the '''support'''ers of the decision at ]. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 08:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::Dear god that thread was a trainwreck. Either these discussions disappear, or, in all honesty ] is the next port of call. ] (]) 08:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::<small>Noooooo ] (]) 09:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
	:::: {{re|Mr rnddude}} I couldn't agree more. I've given them their final warning (particularly Curly, the most outspokenly and persistently disruptive out of all of them; as recently as yesterday, he told another user to "''Fuck off.''"). The next instance of disruption is the very moment I open an ArbCom request with no further comment to them. I've said all I'm going to say to say to Hijiri88 and Curly. If I file a report on one of them, I'm not leaving anything out, so I would also have to file one on all five of them (Curly, Hijiri, the not-surprisingly blocked Twitbookspacetube, {{u|Softlavender}}, and {{u|Drmies}}). I will be silently observing from the shadows, as this has gone on long enough. I certainly won't be taking the bait of whatever uncivil remark Curly has cooked up next in retaliation. ''']]]''' 13:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::{{tps}} {{u|Darkknight2149}}, a genuine question. How do you plan to "silently observing from the shadows" when you are going to be the person that files a case request? ] (]) 13:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::: {{re|Alex Shih}} Silently observing until more disruption takes place and a case request becomes necessary. Excellent question, though. Sorry if that came off a little too vague. Ideally, an ArbCom request won't be necessary, but seeing as Curly has continued his disruption for over a year later, I doubt he has any plans to quit. You should see some of the things he says to other users. He thinks he can get away with pretty much anything, and administrators seem unwilling to address his behaviour. ArbCom is the only option at this point. ''']]]''' 13:46, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	*Darkknight, I have no idea why you are namedropping and pinging me. If you got something to say to ''me'', say it to me. If you don't, don't ping me as if my name is some cussword or magic incantation. And I have something to do with Twitbook? I have no idea how that works, but I really don't care for the explanation--nor have I read this thread or the ANI thread. It's about comics/superheroes? Really? People write about that? ] (]) 13:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::Yeah, they do. ''Quisque pro omnibus''. The best part of Misplaced Pages is that everyone gets to follow their joy, even dudes with a hard-on for old English poetry. Try not to judge.
	::And please do not take that comment as an endorsement of the argument y'all have going on.As an outsider to 99% of that, I'd urge eveytone to put down the trouts, step away and going back to doing whatever made their freak flag fly. - ] (]) 15:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::No need to be a dick. ] (]) 18:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::::{{ping|Drmies}}, you thought my comment was dickish? - ] (]) 19:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Yeah, I don't think you should be talking about my penis (or assume I have one). That's it. ] (]) 20:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
	::::::First of all, from what i understand, both a penis or a clitoris can get hard. Secondarily, I am not particularliy interested in your sex organ arrangement (sorrynotsorry). Thirdly, having a "hard-on" for a particular topic or subject is an expression, not an observation of anatomical engorgement. Lastly, you were almost certainly acting like a dick by making fun o f people who work on comic book-related articles. Don't dish it out if you cannot take it in return. - ] (]) 01:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::::: {{re|Jack Sebastian}} I think he was joking, though he'll probably correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen him use similar deadpan humour on his Talk Page. All I want to know is who do I have to ping to hire a ]? ''']]]''' 01:52, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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	If this is about drama from 13 months ago then I am certainly not the Adam you are looking for. What I said then was based on the thread as it existed at the time. But if you all will indulge me I have some things to say. We all have several thousand edits to our names. At this point none of us need to be reminded of the AGF policies. We all understand how to deal with others in a collaborative environment. Secondly {{u|Darkknight2149}}, if you are going to "silently observe from the shadows" then you are certainly going to find something to be scandalized about. You can find naughty words in the dictionary, but to look them up just to complain to the publisher is kind of silly. If Curly and Hijiri88 bother you so much then don't go to their talk pages. My last point is that humans have evolved to use body language and posture as communication, in the absence of this sometimes stronger language is the best way to communicate the force of someone's message. Sometimes "fuck" is the best word. Anyone who is scandalized by some salty language should probably not spend too much time in internet discussion areas. Congruous to that literate and read adults should be able to understand when the words they use will be needlessly inflammatory. '''Friends''' ultimately we are all here because we are passionate about the project. We can spend kilobytes of text endlessly litigating minute or we can get back to business.--] (]) 17:28, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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	: I don't need to "find" anything. Curly Turkey has repeatedly partaken in blatantly disruptive behaviour for the past year, and probably well before. I already have all the evidence I need compiled. When it comes to blatant personal attacks, dishonesty, all five variations of ], ]ing in adminstrative discussions, bullying other users to get your way in a discussion, hatting off people's comments simply because you don't like them and retaliating when they're rightfully removed, persistent incivility, massive leaps of bad faith against virtually anyone who opposes him in a discussion, and a whole laundry list of things that Curly Turkey continues to do, we are far passed the point of ]. And what I mean by "watching from the shadows" is that I am done arguing or replying to them. The moment they (especially Curly Turkey) partake in such disruption again in a blatant manner is the very moment I open an arbitration case against them. This has gone way out of hand for far too long. And after 13 months of him continuously doing the same thing, even in discussions that I'm not involved in (meaning you can hardly blame the "other guy" as Curly always does), I have collated tonnes of evidence, including statements from Curly himself contradicting his past lies. One of the users that Curly self-admittedly "grouped" with, {{u|Twitbookspacetube}}, continued for months the same behaviour I warned everyone about, nobody listened to me, and he is now currently permanently banned from Misplaced Pages. I strongly suggest that Curly Turkey learns from his example and starts treating Misplaced Pages as the collaborative environment that it is. ''']]]''' 18:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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	:: Well, my days are numbered. Can you please open the ARBCOM report before I tell another troll to fuck off on my talk page? I want to see the evidence for: "One of the users that Curly self-admittedly "grouped" with, {{u|Twitbookspacetube}}"—and all the rest of it. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 20:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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	::{{u|Darkknight2149}} I'm not friend of Curly Turkey, but it seems to me that you claim you are "done replying" yet you keep replying. Please friend, shit or get off the pot. The rest of us have work to do. If you have seen something that requires oversight then please file your report. I certainly have nothing to worry about.--] (])
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	::: {{re|Adamfinmo}} When was the last time I replied to anything Curly or Hijiri said? In fact, Curly was the last one to reply to me (which I will not be responding to). You should re-read this discussion before throwing down the gauntlet. And believe me, the moment that the next instance of disruption takes place is the moment it will be filed. I'm not keeping anyone from doing anything. You, Jack Sebastian, and Drmies all replied here on your own volition, and their discussion within this discussion is a separate animal entirely. ''']]]''' 04:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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	:::: Could you just file the fucking report already? See—I said "fuck" for you and everything. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 06:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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	#Mr rnddude seemingly agrees that ArbCom is a viable solution for a situation as messy with this one, and Adam attempted to throw down a gauntlet (despite claiming not wanting to be here), but he's getting what he wanted by me "getting off the pot", so again, there's nothing else to say on that front.
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	#There's also a side conversation about penises, or lack-thereof, but that's non-applicable.
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	#There was even an , that was only reverted because this is another user's Talk Page. I would encourage Hijiri88 to go through with it, but it's his decision.
	I think that just about covers everything. Unless someone other than the accused five has anything to say to me that warrants a reply, or if someone decides to escalate the situation further (which would almost certainly result in immediate ArbCom), I see no reason to continue. Darkknight2149 out, ''']]]''' 20:33, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::Your threats and "warnings" are useless, disruptive, pointless, and toothless and everyone but you recognizes this. But I do agree with you. Everyone can take your example and pick up their ball and go home. We all have work to do.--] (]) 23:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
	:::::: Wouldn't it be nice? But DK has declared he won't give up, even if he has to take the Cabal to ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 02:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Curly Turkey}} {{user|Jagello}}'s contribs list is very short (as in, if ArbCom did what I and placed an I/P-style general EC restriction on all articles related to ancient Korea, he wouldn't be able to edit those articles), so just Ctrl+Fing it for Spacecowboy's name should bring it up. ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
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	...this, you shouldn't tip off a potential sock about his "tells". That's better discussed behind the scenes, with a trusted admin. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 18:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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	:but you should be nice enough to leave messages on the accused editors' talk pages when you make an sock report. ] (]) 18:12, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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	:::Yes, I did see that it isn't a requirement. What a sad world we live in, when politeness isn't given/required. ] (]) 20:27, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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	:::::FWIW, the "the IP is a sock of Spacecowboy420" thing was flying around for weeks, with several users insisting that an SPI be opened. Claiming that by doing so, essentially under duress because nothing was being done about it otherwise, I was being "impolite" is a bit disingenuous. And the IP did admit to illegitimate socking (logging out in order evade scrutiny, having already created an account to continue an edit war without disclosing that they were the same person, and trolling other editors into opening an SPI while waiting until immediately after this is done to disclose the actual name of their account) but nothing has thusfar been done about it beyond an admin thanking the IP for this "disclosure", closing the SPI with no action, and changing a section title on his talk page without replying to message. ] (<small>]]</small>) 02:43, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	::::::Just leave it. No one was "trolling other editors into opening an SPI" and no I haven't admitted to any form of sock puppetry. I know you enjoy the drama and attention (seeing how often you are on ANI confirms this) but don't drag me into it. Let's get this RFC done with and let me edit articles that you're not editing. Thanks. ] (]) 07:04, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	:::::::{{tq|''No one was "trolling other editors into opening an SPI"''}} During the ''weeks'' this was going on you never once hinted that you had another account. {{tq|''no I haven't admitted to any form of sock puppetry''}} Logging out to evade scrutiny, and even logging ''in'' to evade scrutiny, is a violation of the socking policy, even if it is not ''technically'' considered a form of sockpuppetry, similarly to how hurling bad-faith "vandalism" and "personal attack" accusations is a violation of vandalism and no personal attacks policies. {{tq|''I know you enjoy the drama and attention (seeing how often you are on ANI confirms this)''}} Yeah, like that. That's a violation of the NPA policy; I spend relatively very little time on ANI, and actually most of my recent activity there has been the result of actions by others. Your claiming to know otherwise is either (a) just bad-faith trolling or (b) you admitting to being a sock of some random editor I brought to ANI years ago who wound up being indeffed. {{tq|''don't drag me into it''}} But ... you were the one who chose to show up on the Momokuro article three weeks after I did and start this huge drahmafest that got brought to ANI ''four times''. You chose that, not me. {{tq|''Let's get this RFC done with and let me edit articles that you're not editing. Thanks.''}} No. If you want an RFC to overrule policy ... well, you'd have an easier time opening an RFC to actually ''change'' the policy, which I don't recommend, unless you really are looking for drahma. ] (<small>]]</small>) 07:27, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	Whatever you say. I'm sure that your nearly 2000 edits on ANI show that you "spend relatively very little time on ANI". I looks as if we have two choices. 1. We can spend the next week arguing on this talk page, other editor's talk pages, article talk pages and ANI or 2. we can proceed with the RFC that you suggested, get some outside opinions, then try really hard to avoid each other and have some peace. I think option 2 sounds good. ] (]) 07:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	:Cool story, bro. Please stay off my talk page from now on. ] (<small>]]</small>) 07:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	:BTW, the OP of this thread has more than six times the number of ANI edits as me (not a criticism of him, just an explanation of what I meant by "relatively"; see also ], whose ANI contributions account for almost 1/6 of his edit history, which is also not a problem). ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	::The IP alleged here that he was going to log on as his previous account. Did he ever actually do that? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 15:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
	:::Aha - something called {{user|Mitsubishi love}}. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 15:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Brian Everlasting}} Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. It seems moot now, but if I recall correctly the editor made a somewhat innocuous-looking remark about how using the word "Caucasian" to describe white people was questionable because the idea that white people come from the Caucasus is an outdated theory that comes from a time when the same people who proposed it also held that white people were more intelligent than other races and that those other races would eventually die out to make room for white people. Or some other ugly shit like that. If there was something more malicious behind it, like that the editor meant t imply it was a derogatory word used by "anti-white racists" or the like, I'm pretty sure I missed it at the time. ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:47, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
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	Thanks for your support in the 3RR report. I wouldn't worry too much about Tvx1, though. He can be obstinate and frustrating to deal with, but I don't think he's malicious. Yes, it's harrassment&mdash;I've long suspected that he uses ANI to settle scores&mdash;but I'm not going to go to ANI with it. I know he'll come in and protest his innocence and try to distract everyone with claims of unfounded accusations of bad faith. He's already done it on his talk page in response to your comments. If you want to raise the issue at ANI because you think it's harrassment, then that's up to you. It would probably be harder for him to refute you than me, anyway. ] (]) 12:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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	Sheesh, you both are utterly delirious over my actions. I don't understand why I'm being so seriously accused of harassment when the last time I had reported Prisonermonkeys to any Administrators' noticeboard was 19 months ago. You simply cannot accuse me of rushing to the drama-boards. I have no grudge against Prisonermonkeys and I have agreed with them on issues just as much as I have disagreed with them.]]]1 13:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
			Hi, Hijiri88,
			I came across an SPI case you filed and realized it had been a long, long time since I ran into you on the project. I hope you are well and just busy with off-line life. A lot of the ANI crowd from 5 or 7 years ago has either left the project and retired or are not hanging out by noticeboards any longer so things seem much more quiet lately (although I don't frequent noticeboards like I did as a new editor so my judgment might be off).
	::''"I don't understand why I'm being so seriously accused of harassment"''
	:Perhaps because you're posting a message on Hijiri88's talk page within two hours&mdash;closer to 90 minutes&mdash;of the first message. I deliberately didn't tag you in that message, so the only way that you would even know about it is if you were monitoring my contributions or Hijiri88's talk page. ] (]) 14:01, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
			I hope you can return to contributing should you be grabbed by the desire to improve articles. Just thought I'd let you know that I noticed you've been gone and that you've been back recently. Take care, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 22:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
	:{{re|Prisonermonkeys}} I am absolutely convinced he filed that ANEW report in bad faith, and is hounding you. But honestly I'm having my own troubles of late and would rather not get mixed up in it any more than necessary. I saw you doing good (or at least passable) work on an article I was monitoring, and ... well, that ANEW report looked really slimy, and I thought it was in the best interests of the project that what they apparently wanted not come to pass. If you're not going to take it to ANI, I think this'll be the end of my involvement.
			:{{ping|Liz}} I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
	:{{re|Tvx1}} You are not welcome on my talk page. Do not post here again.
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	Thank you for the recent ping(s). For the record, beside the obvious, I recall only interacting with this user twice - once in the context of banned users socking, and once in a subsequent followup, where I probably disagreed with almost everything they said. This is all fairly easily findable. Don't take this personally but copying partial comments (that is without the followups) is IMO well out of order. I don't mind if you remove the comments, or do something else, anything but partial copying. I stated the hat reason for what it is, which might not be what you intended. And I will leave this with you as I'm headed out of the proverbial door. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 13:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
	:{{re|Zzuuzz}} Just so you know, I wrote most of this before I noticed you added the bit about the proverbial door. You don't need to read any of this if you don't want to, but I hate having my stuff lost to the aether because of edit conflicts. If you're not interested in getting involved, I will hold that against you no more than I've been holding it against Boing (which is to say not at all).
	:For the record (in case it wasn't clear) I don't doubt your good faith. I know you stated on your talk page that you would prefer the narrower proposal, but it's obvious enough that that wasn't why you hatted that. And you are entitled to your opinion, especially when you stated that opinion ''before'' evidence of the worst parts of it -- the attempt at reclassification of the Irish, Scots, etc. as "Germanic peoples" -- came out.
	:I also know it's normally a bad idea to do what I did, but I figured in this case since I was opening a subthread in the middle of the main thread from which came all the comments I copied and in which their responses were visible, and there was a lot of other stuff that wouldn't help establish consensus, it would be considered the lesser of two evils. FWIW, I know that about half of the TLDR nature of the thread right now is my fault, but I really don't like letting things like {{tq| ''bordering on the bigoted''}}, {{tq|''you think nationality '''' legitimate justification'' ''for punishment''}} and {{tq|''your primary motivation '''' political '''' which btw would make you WP:NOTHERE''}} stand, and I really shouldn't be expected to let them, especially when as here they are clearly ].
	:I dunno, I'm kinda used to the community not "getting" my concerns about NOTHERE editors until it gets explicitly racist and the problem editors start saying things like "I would feel more comfortable talking to editors of the same ethnic background as myself", since Sino-Koryo-Japanese disputes are fairly niche on English Misplaced Pages; but I had expected something "sexy" like someone whose user page defines them as a British nationalist who opposes Scottish and Welsh independence and Irish unification, going around the project attempting to define the people of those places as "Germanic and not Celtic", to garner more attention more quickly.
	:] (<small>]]</small>) 13:14, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
	::Unfortunatey I don't usually get too involved in topics bans and the like, though I respect people who do. And I get a bit lost when it comes to Celts and Basque DNA and Germanics and all that stuff. To pick up on a previous point, though I identify myself as in the UK specifically in order to provide a point of reference for some peculiarly British issues, this particular narrow topic is not one of my strong points. The rest of the edits don't immediately trigger any immediate alarms for me - nationalists are frankly all over the place, and I've learnt to tolerate them if they behave and the result is balanced on a rough consensus.
	::So, I wonder if the discussion/proposal confuses the 'category episode' and the wider issues. Behaviourally, the category thing is something that admins can get interested in. One simply shouldn't go around mass-deleting categories without a consensus. The wider issue I don't think has been sufficiently demonstrated - that there is a problem with them holding a particular view outside of the category episode, or that it has manifested in a problem. Eventually this may just be one of those unsuccessful proposals, or it may continue to go downhill for the user. I personally reserve judgment. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 18:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Swarm}} That's cool, and it's good that it got closed the way it did. Honestly, I think if there was any problem with what you did it was that you summarized it as "5-2" without pointing out that of those two, one had based his !vote on an ad hominem attack against the OP with a completely bogus accusation of sockpuppetry and repeatedly refused to provide any other policy-based rationale, and the other just blamed all the disruption on an editor who had been banned for two months.
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	:Although, if I was being ''really'' honest, I'd say I was triggered by ''this'' section title ("FYI") coming at the same time as, and looking like it's related to, me waking up to find I've been threatened with a discretionary sanction because I've been hounded and trolled intermittently over the last eleven months, and the admin who keeps noticing the problem keeps forgetting that it's a recurring problem with a particular user, and issuing the same (two-way!?) threat each time, regardless of whom his intervention gives the last word to.
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	::No need. No one was going to buy those arguments. Strength of arguments speaks for itself. Sorry to trigger you though. Lmao. Don't worry about that though. There's nothing wrong with the comment you made and I'm sure NRP is just being courteous. Obviously the word "notable" can be used without specifically referring to the Notability ''policy'', and that is something that the user had misunderstood. Anyone can see that, and like I said, bad points don't always ''need'' counterpoints, because they speak for themselves. Anyways, just wanted to say well done. ] ] 01:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
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	Hi, Hijiri88. No, the consensus version for has had "neo-nationalist" in the lead, which IP has been trying to remove. The removal has been reverted by four different editors including me: Jon C., Spleodrach, and MatthewVantias. Here are the diffs:
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	I agree my edit summary of "4-3 against you..." was probably not helpful but bear in mind it was in response to IP's earlier edit summary of "Consensus is clearly to do away with this unsourced label. 3-1.", when IP was already well aware that he'd been reverted by four different editors, as it had already been pointed out several times on Talk, and yes, I get frustrated with him. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Mason|Marcocapelle}} (Sorry to be late on this.) Out of curiosity, how many articles do you think this category should have included? I've been told (I forget when and by whom, but it was likely between 2015 and 2017) that a cat that includes only one article is a violation of our guidelines. I have, therefore, since been careful not to create categories without including at least two articles. (Hence why, when I created ], I apparently added exactly three articles to it before I considered it "safe" and stopped before adding ], ], or ].) But your comments at the above-linked discussion both seem to imply that this category would have been deletion-worthy even if English Misplaced Pages already had articles on Norinaga's other highly influential works like ] and ]. (In theory, a navbox would make even an amply filled category redundant, wouldn't it?)
	:{{re|Bastun}} You see, the numbers are not helpful because they're too small and close to count as a clear consensus for anything. IP was worse for claiming that "consensus" was against the unsourced label as though consensus had anything to do with it, but I've been arguing with IP longer than anyone (his first edit was not initially challenged, his second edit to the article was a revert of me, and I opened the first talk page discussion) so responding to me as though I was IP is ... well, it's not that I find it offensive so much as that the argument makes no sense.
			:Would either of you be opposed to me immediately recreating the category and adding ], ], and ] to it? Or would it be necessary to create some more articles on?
	:Anyway, none of those edits show those three users explicitly agreeing with the content in question: they are just reverting IP, perhaps because, frankly, that user really shouldn't be allowed edit the article directly at this point, and most of the edits they were reverting made (unambiguously negative) changes other than removing the "neo-nationalist" label. {{ping|Jon C.}} {{ping|Spleodrach}} {{ping|MatthewVanitas}} Would you mind clarifying whether you actually support describing the group as "neo-nationalist" even without a source explicitly using that descriptor?
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	::I'm confused now. My post ''here'' was in response to edit summary. I certainly didn't mean to offend. To be clear, the point I am making is that the version with 'neo-nationalist' '''is''' the ''status quo'' and (relatively!) stable version; he changed it, I reverted, you reverted my reversion, I reverted that, and you re-reverted. BRD would suggest that you should self-revert while discussion is ongoing. By the way, I only posted here as the BRD/request to self-revert are a side issue not central to the article - if you would prefer to discuss the substantive issue of which term to use, that's probably best done on the article talk page. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
	:::{{re|Bastun}} {{tq|''I'm confused now. My post ''here'' was in response to ''this'' edit summary.''}} Umm ... did you pull the wrong diff? It looks like you meant to link that mentioned !vote counts and "consensus". {{tq|''I certainly didn't mean to offend.''}} See, your missing my point: I ''might'' have been offended by your conflating me with {{noping|Irishpolitical}} and critiquing his arguments as though that refuted mine, but that would be beside the point because the real problem is that you're not refuting my point. {{tq|''To be clear, the point I am making is that the version with 'neo-nationalist' '''is''' the ''status quo'' and (relatively!) stable version; he changed it, I reverted, you reverted my reversion, I reverted that, and you re-reverted. BRD would suggest that you should self-revert while discussion is ongoing.''}} No version is stable, but you reworded it unilaterally and, in perhaps the only instance in the history of his account, IP was right to revert you. BRD is a useful process, but when you (and I!) have been searching for sources for a particular claim (that the group is "neo-nationalist") for three months and failed to do so, there's good reason to believe no such sources exist; keeping it out of the article is safest because it prevents ].
	:::{{tq|''By the way, I only posted here as the BRD/request to self-revert are a side issue not central to the article - if you would prefer to discuss the substantive issue of which term to use, that's probably best done on the article talk page.''}} Actually, since our present dispute relates ''exclusively'' to whether reliable sources exist that refer to the group as "neo-nationalist", and the article talk page has been useless for this purpose thusfar, I would prefer to take it to NORN or RSN to get more outside opinions as to whether it is acceptable to use this descriptor. Or I could wait for {{ping|Jon C.}} {{ping|Spleodrach}} {{ping|MatthewVanitas}} to respond to the above pings, since it seems likely that if one of them had decided to revert you on this, you would have linked as though it represented my agreeung with you.
	:::Anyway, would you mind clarifying on what your problem with "far-right nationalist" is? I ''strongly'' suspect that you might be working with the popular Irish definition of "nationalist" that refers to (a) a 19th-century left-wing anti-imperialist movement (have you ever noticed how state-sanctioned JCE history textbooks go out of their way not to describe Hitler and Mussolini as "nationalists" because they are only allowed use that word in reference to Ireland?) and (b) an ethnic group in contemporary Northern Ireland, and therefore assuming that using "nationalist" to describe the political ideology generally referred to in academia as "nationalism" smears this ethnic group. If this is the case, then you are definitely acting in good faith, but I can't argue with you if we are working with different definitions of the word in question, and we will ''need'' outside input.
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	::::Exactly that, Hijiri. IP has been, for months, acting as a ] attempting to paint the NP in as positive a light as possible. That includes representing the party as ] rather than what they actually are, which is ] (which is ] from their policies). My objection to using "far-right ]" is only that the resulting link is to an innocuous article that discusses nationalism in broad strokes and lacks even a section on far-right nationalism. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:57, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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	{{re|Dream Focus}} To answer your question, which were before I got a chance to respond: I have never spoken of "hating" or wanting to "destroy" any WikiProject, and your repeatedly putting those kinds of words in peoples' mouths (going back to your first interaction with me where you called me a "hater") is highly inappropriate, and I ''strongly'' urge you to stop doing it. Wanting to retire and/or "make historical" a WikiProject or delete certain inherently disruptive pages within said WikiProject is not the same thing, as far as I am concerned. As for "the last word", the reason I brought it up was because you might have a valid reason for reverting my collapse if, say, I had snuck in a final comment and was trying to prevent you from responding to it, but you had already actively decided not to respond to me again on the AFD ''before'' I collapsed the discussion, and nothing I did implied I would have reverted you if you tried to add something else inside the collapse. There was nothing "selective" about it, as I collapsed everything past my initial !vote -- any more and I would have given the impression of retracting my !vote, and any less ''would have been'' selective. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:15, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
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	*{{re|Dream Focus}} Would you mind removing . You copied two entire sentences, changing only word to something less grammatical. I am not sure if you just have a very poor memory (given I find that quite likely) in which case it is a good faith mistake, but per ] it is still unacceptable for you to create strawmen out of other all-but-named-inline users in your user space. I plan on checking, but if the other items on that list are similarly polemical and revisionist, I will be taking the page to MFD shortly. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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	:{{re|EEng}} <s>Forgive me if I misrepresented myself with a recent ANI comment, but I'm not a Shakespeare expert (I read ''Merchant'' and ''Macbeth'' in secondary school, and have a passive knowledge of some of the other famous ones); to what is this in reference? I can guess based on some stuff that you might be advising me to spend less time on ANI, but actually if you look at the context almost all of my recent activity there has been in relation to stuff involving me that found its way there, so it's not a hobby horse I'm riding because I'm being too lazy to write articles (although that is also a factor:P) or anything. As for self-destructively TLDRing my own threads: yeah, but honestly I'm a little out of practice with the drahma boards, for the reason given in the preceding sentence. Sorry if I'm completely missing your point, though.</s> ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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	::{{re|EEng}} Wait, are you drawing my attention to your immortalizing my weird turns of phrase? While I appreciate the gesture, technically I said "hoist the blame off on X" ... which I could have sworn was an actual turn of phrase I heard ] use in my youth {{tq|''You can't handle the little brat, so you want to hoist her off on one of the other teachers''}}; I can't find the actual quote, so I may be misremembering. ] (<small>]]</small>) 11:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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	Just some unsolicited thoughts. Sometimes I feel your AN/I involvements are generally not very helpful. I think you have a tendency that when you identify a potentially problematic editor, you will go out of your way and doubling down on that very editor with walls of texts. I am sure you have been told before (not sure if that was what EEng is referring to), but this kind of approach generally does not diffuse any situation. It'll be far better to disengage and let someone else with the means necessary to deal with the matter in my opinion. This is partially related to the AN/I thread, but I am speaking in general terms, hopefully you understand. ] (]) 09:37, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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	:{{re|Alex Shih}} Noted, and thank you. Yes, others have told me the same before, but for reasons elaborated below it's pretty easy to forget, so it's good to be reminded once in a while. (And no, it's not what EEng was talking about. If you click through all the links and think about it ''really'' hard, you realize that he was getting in a good-faith jab at my poor grammar. :P )
	:For what it's worth, I've been trying for a long while to wean myself off ANI altogether. If you notice, of the three threads I've commented on more than twice this month, two of them were either started by me about a person who was hounding me and seemed to be trying to create trouble by attacking me on admin talk pages or ANI itself, or started in my stead ... about a person who was hounding me and seemed to be trying to create trouble by attacking me on admin talk pages or ANI itself. Both spun out of ]'s talk page, and while I am obviously not blaming him (I'm very grateful to him for opening the more recent one), if it had been 100% up to me they never would have gone to ANI. (The one I opened, I only opened because convinced me that if I didn't open an ANI thread, one would be opened for me within the next few hours, and I didn't want to be put on the defensive. Yeah, no one would have taken such a thread seriously, but it would have still been more hassle.)
	:Basically what I'm saying is that I'd rather spend my time writing about ''waka'' poets, and so rather than working to become "good at ANI" I'm working on avoiding it altogether. See also with which I largely agree.
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	*My post opening the section above is indeed just a bit of poking fun at a malapropism. But the fact is that in the not-too-distant past I've said to you, H, the very same thing AH is saying now about your ANI participation. So please redouble your efforts to stay away; it's too late for us established ANI-holics, but there's still time for you to escape the clutches of the beast. As for you, {{u|Alex Shih}}, take a moment to review ]. ]] 13:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
	::The not too distant past was, to be fair, a full year ago. I remember, it was right after that ''X-Men'' fiasco. So what I said above about "once in a while" still stands. ;-) ] (<small>]]</small>) 20:32, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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	* How many "steps" ago were we all "one step away from being reported to the Arbitration Committee", ]? You sound like fucking Gargamel: "I'll get you! I'll get all of you, if it's the last thing I ever do!"]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 20:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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	::DK2149, it's not hounding if you see a persistent problem with another user's edits -- believe me, you're ] ]. I noticed such a problem with your edits a long time ago, but didn't monitor your edits ''in spite'' of that fact (mainly because I wasn't interested in putting up with the way you tend to react to editors who disagree with you). Your name recently showed up on two fora I monitor (ANEW and FTN) and when I checked your contribs because of that, I noticed you were up to ... the same old stuff. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:05, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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	::BTBTW, it might be a good idea for you to stop feeding the trolls by painting CT, SL and me with the same brush as Twitbookspacetube. It was one thing when Drmies and another Arb (I think it was Newyorkbrad, but it's just off-topic enough for me not to care enough to check) did it, but in that case it really looked to the naked eye like TBST was the driving force behind the community proposal in question; here, it looks like you trying to clear your record by pretending TBST was a significant player in that discussion when he really wasn't at all, and this is a very silly game to be playing when TBST was a troll who apparently made a deliberate habit of jumping on community proposals that were likely to pass. ] (<small>]]</small>) 22:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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	*{{re|Darkknight2149}} For future reference, it's '''extremely''' poor form to and then . You are free to tell me not to post on your talk page, but please don't ping me, which implies a request for input from the pingee, if that is your intention. ] (<small>]]</small>) 04:15, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
	:And FWIW, I don't think you are using ] correctly. {{user|SMcCandlish}} and I are on fairly good terms, but since he is apparently the only one apart from you to have ever cited it he's probably pretty authoritative on it, and he agrees with me. ] (<small>]]</small>) 04:24, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
	::I think the more usual shortcut is ], which is the one listed in the guideline. Sanction-gaming is ] the system with the specific intent or effect of avoiding getting sanctions or of skirting existing ones. It seems fairly narrowly defined. I don't find it credible any anyone involved in this odd side dispute is transgressing "all 5" points in it.<!--
	--><p>However, someone fairly recently blocked for behavioral issues should think twice before threatening people with administrative or noticeboard actions. It never goes over well. If you have a case, just shut the smurf up and go file it (the proper venue is ANI; Hijiri88 is correct that ArbCom is a last resort). Be able to prove your case with a solid draft of diffs and a cork stuck firmly in the bottle full of rants, otherwise ] is likely. Plenty of us have learned that the hard way. If you don't have a case, stop threatening people or you'll just get blocked again.</p><!--
	--><p>I have no idea what this dispute is about; I only skimmed this, and saw one voice shouting forth from it each time I stopped to read part of it. {{ping|Darkknight2149}} I think you may find my essay ] of use. {{U|Curly Turkey}} might too, ha ha – but there's a huge difference between being curmudgeonly (I'm in that club myself) and going around menacing people like ], as CT put it. Being grouchy isn't ], but being anti-collaborative and making other editors feel menaced is. ] boards are not a weapon to perpetuate disputes, they're a place to resolve them.</p><!--
	--><p>PS: If DK is still under a TBAN or some other sanction, an appeal after a year – to the right venue – might actually go over better than a sooner one, if it focused on contrition and "getting it", not on procedural lawyering. If I recall the typical venue chain correctly, it would be appeal to the admin who imposed the sanction(s), then to AN, then to RFARB; but if it has anything to do with discretionary sanctions, it'd be to the admin, then AE, then ARCA. DK, if you plan to make some kind of appeal, I strongly suggest you read ] and its negatory result to see what to {{em|not}} do (e.g., relitigate whether the sanction was correct, protest your innocence, or point fingers at your "enemies"). I see a lot of finger-pointing above, and that doesn't bode well.<br /><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 08:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)</p>
	::::{{re|SMcCandlish}} The TBAN was meant to be indefinite (that's how CT and I intended it, and no doubt how everyone else who supported it without specifying a set term meant it as well), but when Drmies closed the discussion he was characteristically ] and set it for six months. That will have been sixteen months ago next Thursday. But for some reason he's continued issuing periodic threats of "revenge" against everyone involved, particularly CT and myself, in the form of an arbitration case that if he has any sense he knows would be quickly rejected but would at least annoy the rest of us for a while. While he was TBANned he occasionally complained about how unfair it was that he was TBANned, and since his ban expired he's moved a little more to pretending that the rest of us were the ones whose behaviour had been found wanting, and we were holding that against him, as seen by his constant references to GRUDGE over the last day or so. Ultimately I think this will end with an indefinite block, but I don't think he's ''quite'' there yet, with two admins still attempting to get through to him over the edit-warring and reading his responses in a positive light because they are not familiar with his history and lacking such knowledge are ]. ] (<small>]]</small>) 08:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
	:::::In other words, exactly the 'relitigate whether the sanction was correct, protest your innocence, or point fingers at your "enemies{{"'}} kind of "stragedy" that doesn't end well. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 11:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
	::::: {{ec}} I neither proposed nor !supported the TBAN (though I obviously had no sympathy for him when the banhammer came down), so there was no "intention" behind it on my part. It was obvious from his reaction to the previous ANI that he would hold a grudge over the TBAN, but I ''am'' surprised at how tenaciously and noisily he clings to it. The only point of interest there'll be at the ARBCOM request (which'll be turned down) is his "proof" that Drmies, Softlavender, Hijiri, and I are in cahoots. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 11:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
	::::::Drmies, who's blocked me more than any other admin, Softlavender, who was actively pushing for me to be blocked two weeks before that TBAN discussion and was conflicting with me quite vehemently ''during it'', and you who once wrote {{tq|''holy shit, Hijiri, this '''' is defending discrimination against Russians and Latinos''}} -- with all we have in common I'm surprised he's not accusing us of all being the same person. ] (<small>]]</small>) 12:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
	::::::: What was that "holy shit" one? ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 00:45, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
	::::::::{{re|Curly Turkey}} The archive link is . I think I was making a semi-tongue-in-cheek point that citing Debito's ''JT'' column as a reliable source on Debito's biography (or, worse, doing what Debito's Misplaced Pages account was trying to do, citing it in other BLPs like ]) was no better than citing Clark's column or personal website criticizing Debito. I was also making a point I've made in a few places (), that GNG actually requires us to have enough usable sources (that don't violate, say, ]) to write a neutral, accurate, encyclopedic article, and is not about some nebulous concept of "enough reliable sources" as it is often interpreted as. (As an aside, I was unaware until just now that in the day after it was deleted: I can see the list of deleted articles created by a named user -- how I know the -- but I wonder if there's a way for non-admins to see who created a deleted article. I'm half-tempted to ping Orangemike out of curiosity.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 01:26, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
	::::::::: I don't think we'll ever see eye-to-eye on that—I default to inclusionism, and I don't think there's a problem with articles that'll never be fully developed, unless the lack of development results in serious bias. ]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;] 01:42, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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	Thank you for your contributions to the discussion Re: '']''; I hope eventually we can work our way to a term other than "reboot". ] (]) 21:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
	:{{re|Hl}} "remake" should be fine, as it seems to be the one supported by the majority of secondary sources. Honestly, in the long run there should be an RFC on euphemistic marketing terms like "reboot", "all-star/ensemble cast", etc., as it seems like the majority of the community is against using them but a LOCALCONSENSUS tends to develop at articles on individual films among their fans to use them. I had unanimous consensus at WT:FILM against "ensemble cast" (in the sense it's used in, say, ]) but was undermined by a troll who has since been indeffed. But it seems just about everyone except DK2149 is in agreement that "reboot" is off the table on that particular article, so taking it to WT:FILM probably isn't even necessary. If DK2149 edit wars over it anymore he can just be reported on ANI or ANEW: he was TBANned from "comics" for six months last year for similar behaviour, and is on notice for this particular incident. ] (<small>]]</small>) 22:03, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
	:: I wouldn't dig yourself into a deeper hole than you're already in, Hijiri88. As you well know, the TBAN was invalid and we both know why you really edited the Suspiria article. And yes, my lack of edits of late has been due to the ArbCom case. That's exactly what I've been working on the last few days. ''']]]''' 15:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
	:::Cool story. And yes, we do both know why I edited the ''Suspiria'' article: I saw you making the same type of problematic edits that led to your TBAN last year, having learned nothing from it. ] (<small>]]</small>) 21:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
	:::: That "behaviour" was your and Curly Turkey's persistent dishonesty and extensive ]ing and ], which will soon be dealt with. Oh, I see that you are continuing to edit war on that very article, even though the discussion on the Talk Page hasn't been remotely settled (probably to entice me to revert again). Just as you stalked me on at least two other articles. But create whatever thinly-veiled excuse for blatant ] you want. Now, I'm dealing with ''your'' behaviour. ''']]]''' 22:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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	{{re|James500}} I can't ask you to strike a personal attack , but FWIW there's nothing "battleground" about saying "Hey, could you please follow standard AFD procedure? Casting !votes in a manner that makes it difficult for the AFD analysis tool to parse gives the impression you are trying to evade scrutiny.", but blanking such a message with that edit summary ''does'' indicate a battleground mentality, and given that a few hours earlier you had just blanked without responding ... well, it doesn't look good.
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	BTW, if you don't want me posting on your talk page, you should just say so, rather than making blanking my messages with passive-aggressive, and later just simply aggressive, attacks in the edit summaries.
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	:] makes it impossible for anyone to avoid scrutiny. I am not prepared to discuss this further. ] (]) 05:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
	::Yes, because clicking through to all 552 of the AFDs you commented in, "Ctrl+F"ing your name on each one, and counting up your !votes one-by-one is such a very simple task.</sarcasm> Multiple editors have requested that you stop evading the scrutiny of the automated tools and bold your recommended outcomes. ] (<small>]]</small>) 05:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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Re: 'Xinjiang' in apple

I thought I'd let you know that I reverted your edits in apple because I neither saw a point nor an improvement. I say the same thing in my edit summary but with more words; feel free to see my edit here and lmk if you've any problems. I sound pretty rude in this talkpage section—I'm not trying to be mean—I just keep these short for everyone's sake and it sounds especially curt in this one; I apologise. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: You thanked me for my edit and apparently chose to let it stand for four days thereafter, implying that you saw the benefit of the edit. I think the benefit is pretty self-evident even disregarding my edit summar. What do you make of the above? If the majority of third-party input is negative, I'd be happy to drop the stick and just agree to disagree, but I get the impression this is not the case here. Apart from you, I can only assume that a not-insignificant proportion of the 57 "page watchers who visited recent edits" were also aware of my edit and either approved of it or at least didn't disapprove. The lack of a coherent explanation for the revert, however, implies that it was made primarily because of a subjective WP:IFITAINTBROKE interpretation. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, I agree that the great majority of our readers are not going to know where Xinjiang is, so by itself it's not helpful, and readers should not have to follow wikilinks if a short gloss can be provided. I guess a compromise could be something like "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)"? Peter coxhead (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

All interpretations of WP:IFITAINTBROKE are going to be subjective. I did say that I thought the vaguer 'northwestern China' was less ideal than simply 'Xinjiang' with a wikilink in my edit summary; however I should've made it clear in my edit that I do have a reason specific to the context of the paragraph for choosing the latter. You make an understandable point about 'southern Kazakhstan' in your most recent edit summary, but to be clear 'northwest China' is a more vague term when compared to the former in this context—which is strictly geographical. 'Hills of southern Kazakhstan' unambiguously only refers to the hills in the Kazakh Tian Shan in the far south of the country, the same mountain range that spans across much of the rest of hilly Central Asia, while what conventionally constitutes 'northwestern China' contains multiple mountain ranges with different climates (Tian Shan, Mount Hua, Qilian Mountains, the mountain ranges of the Tibetan and the Loess Plateau). Only Xinjiang's hills (the Chinese Tian Shan) were the native range of the wild apple tree is the impression I get from glossing over the article text. This makes 'northwestern China' a decidedly vaguer term to refer specifically to the Chinese Tian Shan, in Xinjiang, than southern Kazakhstan is for the Kazakh Tian Shan—so it is not an apples to apples comparison. In summation, "Xinjiang, China" is precise and unambiguous both in the geographic sense for that paragraph and also to the layman (I explain this is my second point more) while also being the shortest possible; "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" does remedy all my concerns, but so did the first phrasing and it didn't need to be as wordy or precise and preserved WP:LINKCLARITY; and I hope we can stay off "northwestern China" with what I just said.

Secondly, also for you @Peter coxhead, I agree that usually it would not be ideal that something is only put in proper context to readers when they click into another article, but here in this paragraph it is straightforward to infer from the context that Xinjiang is a place in Central Asia and it has hills where the wild apple tree grew/grows. Which is more than sufficient context for this article and that paragraph about the original range of the wild apple tree, is what I was saying. If a reader wants to know more about the Xinjiang they easily follow the wikilink. I am opposed to a pipelink on 'northwestern China' like it is rn, because of WP:LINKCLARITY—I don't see the point in pipelinking when "Xinjiang, China" is concise, precise, unambiguous, and follows link clarity. I am also not in support of either "Xinjiang, northwestern China" or "northwestern China (Xinjiang)" when "Xinjiang, China" is on the table and perfect in my eyes. —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you missed my point about IFITAINTBROKE -- it's subjective and so is not a good rationale to unilaterally revert an edit that other third parties have already (tacitly) approved of. And speaking of subjectivity, your definition of "northwest" is definitely not something most readers would agree with, as most of the mountains/ranges you refer to are kinda in "northwestern China", but only if you take "China" to refer to China proper as opposed to the modern political entity. Almost all of our readers would consider the places you list to be in north-central or even just central China, and definitely not "central Asia". "Xinjiang", to most of our reader, just sounds like "some place in China", and almost none of them would read "northwest China" as meaning "northwest of the Han Chinese homeland that constitutes the southeastern portion of the modern country called China" (and even those who, like you and me, know about "China proper" should be able to tell from "central Asia" that it is talking about Xinjiang and not, say, Shaanxi).

I'm not sure where you hail from originally, but I can tell you from experience that Japanese tourism companies often like to refer to Kyoto as being in "west Japan" because that's how they talk to other Japanese people, because the Japanese school social studies textbooks (which of course focus on "east-of-the-barrier" and "west-of-the-barrier" rather than using a ruler or compass to establish where the "western half" and "eastern half" of the Japanese archipelago is), and oftentimes it's my job to (try to) tell them that foreign tourists who don't know about Japanese history and culture are more likely to look at a map and consider Kyoto to be in central Japan rather than western Japan. English Misplaced Pages articles are supposed to be written with a "general reader" in mind, and general readers don't know anything more than the tourists in my above analogy. (I have to imagine that no sane tour director in China would use the phrase Northwest China and assume that American and European tourists know what it actually means without an explanation -- our articles on China can use it, but preferably with language like our Shaanxi article that makes it clear that it is talking about an official designation and not objective placement on the map. Our article on apples is not an article on China, and no reader is going to assume we are using GOC-designated region names rather than general-use English. And again, even those who are familiar with the Chinese government's terminology should be able tell from the reference to "central Asia", since no one considers Shaanxi to be in central Asia.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW, the above argument for using "Xinjiang" (that "northwestern China" includes other mountains to which the statement doesn't apply) could almost certainly be turned on its head as an argument against using "Xinjiang", since I strongly suspect its not "all mountains in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region" that are being talked about. (That said, I just checked both sources and couldn't find where the information was taken from.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, can I suggest you only create new pages or edit those with zero people disagreeing with you. Though basically an intolerable imposition, the Encyclopedia is nearer the start than the end and it still leaves plenty of pages current and future. Clearly you have lots of enemies here and likely others who will try to take you out via noticeboards rather than engage in meaningful discussion. It's basically the course I follow. Much more fun in reality and productive that way, though the temptations are great, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:09, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: I think I know what you're referring to, and it has nothing to do with creating new pages. You might also note that, in the discussion in question, I was quite clear several times that I would be happy to agree to disagree if I wasn't in the clear majority of uninvolved editors. The "fight" wasn't even mine to begin with -- one editor with whom I have a history of agreements reverted another editor with whom I have a history of disagreements, but in this case it was my opinion that the latter editor was clearly in the right. If you disagree, please make a coherent argument to that effect on the article talk page. That being said, per the below I'd like to disengage from the discussion in question anyway.

I see that there's also an ANI notice above this. I guess it was a mistake to edit the article in question in the manner that I did.@Nardog: I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings. This was not my intention, and I am honestly quite surprised that this found its way onto ANI. I had a sincere belief that your edit harmed the article, and the fact that another editor whose edits to that article over the last month I have generally disagreed with seemed to share my belief led me to believe that it was highly likely the majority of Wikipedians would as well. I am on a self-imposed ANI page-ban for the purpose of avoiding drama, so I will not respond to you there or interact with this dispute about the IPA in that particular article's opening sentence again. If you still believe you are in the right and no other editors decided to revert you, you have my blessing in reinserting the disputed content.

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Deletion of referenced paragraph at Mottainai

I just saw your edit deleting 1,444b at Mottainai. Was rather shocked to read the edit summary ("Consistent consensus against this over the last three years"), which is disruptive, while interpreting a consensus where there is none in the sense you describe. Hope you're not going to cause trouble (again) at that article, per your unblock conditions ("... don't get in trouble again"). I suggest you revert that deletion, and apologise for its less-than-constructive edit summary. Thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I have self-reverted. The vast majority of the "1,444b" was tag rationales written by me. The content was unsourced, and I only removed it because I thought no one was still arguing about this. I have no idea what your interest in the page is, or why you are here. Please leave me alone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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I would just like to leave here for posterity's sake that this wikipedian was harassing me on my own talk page, see here. Please leave me alone. I am allowed to make edits on Misplaced Pages. You do not own the haiku page. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I apologize if I gave the impression of harassing you. This was not my intention. I went to your talk page because it seemed inappropriate to ask you for clarification of what you meant on the article talk page, which is for discussing improvements to the article, and I was under the impression that the article edit in question was already resolved. After I attempted to discuss it with you on your talk page further, however, you went back to the article and reverted your text back in, without explanation, simply leaving a cryptic message that I can "change that sentence, if want ..."

Anyway, with regard to the response to me that you have now posted on your talk page, while simultaneously banning me from responding to you there for some reason: if you still intend on inserting question material, based on unreliable English poetry sources, into an article that is specifically about Japanese poetry (the Haiku in English article exists for this reason), then I am going to have to ask you to stop. This is not because I feel I "own" the article or that you are not allowed make edits to this article (or any other article on the encyclopedia) -- this is about repeatedly reinserting content that has already been debunked, while refusing to engage in civil discussion over it.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Staticshakedown: Please refrain from making counterproductive personal remarks in edit summaries, as you did here. Your personal attacks and off-topic accusations against me on my talk page can be removed by anyone at any time, but that edit summary will need an admin to remove it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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I have unwatched Onna-musha having found your response aggressive

I have left the discussion on this topic. I want to let you know that I have felt your tone to be aggressive and it has left me upset and not wanting to take part in this encyclopedia project at all for the time being. Please consider others' mental health and try to be more civil in future rather than lashing out. All my comments were honestly made, despite the fact that I made a comprehension error (and an error on who the original post was made by). please assume good faith more often? Mountaincirque 14:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry if you felt intimidated, but you quoted my words at me as though I had made the exact opposite point that I had actually made, I asked you not to do so, and then you did the exact same thing again. It is good practice to (i) not do this kind of thing in the first place and (ii) immediately and frankly apologize when it is pointed out. Doubling down and then playing the victim is extremely poor form -- I made numerous attempts to be welcoming to you and to accommodate your apparent interest in creating an article on female martial artists in Japan, and politely explained to you how, for example, LLC books (i.e., Misplaced Pages mirrors) cannot be used as sources, and you have reacted with nothing but passive-aggressive hostility and distortion of the record. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't knowingly 'double-down' on anything, I didn't realise you were the original proposer of the move until a few minutes ago. It was a comprehension mistake. I'm sorry you felt my comments were frustrating, I'll aim to be more careful with snipping people's comments in future but I still feel you came back way too hard and assumed I was trying to mislead when in fact I was inviting you to comment as I thought you were a responder to the original move request. I'm bowing out here, let's both agree to be better? Mountaincirque 14:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

You responded to my saying that "onna-musha" may not be an ideal title for a hypothetical article that discusses the lives of women of the buke class but that "onna-bugeisha" is substantially worse by quoting the first part and cutting out everything after "but". The fact is that I was clearly never talking about "onna-musha" being an inappropriate title for an article on women warriors like the one we have now; you may not have known this until I explicitly set you straight the first time, but there was no excuse for doubling down after that. Anyway, if you want to bow out, that's fine -- I would prefer if you'd acknowledge that you were wrong (I'm still worried that you will insert LLC citations into other articles...), but as long as you leave me alone, that's fine. Happy editing! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for review at Yasuke

Hello Hijiri,

I'd like to request your expert eyes on the article Yasuke. There has been a surge of media reporting on the man (particularly with the upcoming Netflix anime about him), and there's some back-and-forth in the article's history with respect to him being a samurai or not. There's the book African Samurai: The True Story of a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan by Thomas Lockley and Geoffrey Girard about him, if that's any help (Lockley is often interviewed by the media for the aforementioned pieces). I'm only getting bits of the book's info on Google Books, but it says something about him being a hatamoto: "It is not known exactly which rank Yasuke held, but it would probably have been equivalent to hatamoto. The hatamoto saw to the lord’s needs, handling everything from finance to transport, communications to trade. They were also the bodyguards and pages to the warlord, traveling with him and spending their days in his company." This put a red flag for me that some of the nuance is lost in the media, which often uncritically calls him a samurai.

Your insight and knowledge would be much appreciated. — Goszei (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Goszei: I might take a look, but (i) I'm not that familiar with the Azuchi-Momoyama period to begin with, (ii) Japanese encyclopedias generally don't have standalone entries on him (which both makes it difficult for me to go about preliminary research in the way I normally do and makes me skeptical about the standalone notability of Yasuke as a historical figure, at least as a figure of Japanese history), and (iii) I suspect recent interest in him may be politically motivated: white power-brokers in America and Europe trying to play up the importance of an African man to pre-modern Japanese history to avoid addressing systemic issues in their own countries at the expense of people in "the far off Orient". As a white European in Japan (who by necessity must frequently interact with other white westerners who, despite living in Japan, still get most of their information on the country's history from American popular media) this topic makes me quite uncomfortable in the current climate—and this isn't even getting into the abominable goings on in Atlanta last month and the aftermath thereof. I am inclined to say the best move would be to wait until the hype around the show dies down, then go in and excise any information attributed to popular media sources not backed up by professional scholarship.

As an aside, from everything I've read, even the word "samurai" is problematic: professional Japanologists seem to prefer to talk about "the warrior class", meaning that "samurai" is essentially slang. As for Japanese usage, Kojien gives the primary meaning of "same as saburai, i.e. someone who serves a lord closely" (by which definition it would be a truism, but practically meaningless, to say that Yasuke was a "samurai"), and below that says that in the Japanese middle ages (the period in which Yasuke lived) the word was used to distinguish certain people from common peasants (in that case, it's a truism that Yasuke and other foreigners were neither samurai nor common peasants).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, there's also the distinct possibility that a lot of this goes back to the fantasy manga/anime Afro Samurai: the title of the book you refer to is almost certainly deliberately playing on that show's title. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Apologising

I have noted what you said. Just try to see other editors as potential helpers/allies, rather than opponents. Even if you're not in agreement, if you remain calm and even light-hearted you can easily win people over. John Smith's (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean... I know that, but I'm not trying to win anyone over. I wanted to fix the "onabu-geisha" hoax, and unless you or some unnamed third party are trying to undo that, I don't see any disagreement, let alone a need to argue or convince anyone. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Retarget Wait, what!? It seems like anyone who knew about the automated retargeting of double-redirects could have anticipated that the bot wouldn't know to fix the said redirects once the vandal edit was reverted, but was this all a long-game plan to TFD the legit redirect 3.11 that I created back in 2013 as part of a mass-TFD of others that another NZ IP (the same person?) had caused to be created in 2019? All of these TFDs were opened today by the same person, and the 2019 vandalism geolocates to the same place. Call me paranoid, but this is super-fishy. I also got a notification that Polyamorph (talk · contribs) "reviewed" the 3.11 page at roughly the same time as the above TFD. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Assuming you mean RFD rather than TFD, then it doesn't strike me as problematic at all. When someone spots one bad redirect to a page (either stumbling across it or seeing it at RfD) it's not unusual to look and see whether there are any other ones that also need looking at - the connection between "3.11" and the target is not at all obvious to me I've never seen it referred to as such and it doesn't get any prominence at all in my google results. Assuming that someone in Australia/New Zealand is seeing something similar to me in the UK, then sending it to redirects for discussion is perfectly reasonable. As for the vandalism, not everybody thinks (or even knows) to check for any collateral damage when reverting a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed the 3.11 page because it came up on the new pages feed, given that it is at RfD I marked it as reviewed. Polyamorph (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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@Elizium23: I cannot speak to Natemup's behaviour in the area of Roman Catholicism specifically, but when I interacted with him on Talk:Yasuke and Talk:Samurai, I found his sourcing standards to be woefully inadequate (on the former, he insisted on citing popular media sources even when they disagree with sources written by specialists in the relevant field, while on the latter he cited no sources for the better part of a month before eventually citing Misplaced Pages, while repeatedly vandalized the opening sentence of a relatively prominent article to make a WP:POINT). Despite his own edits to these two articles leaving a lot to be desired, he has repeatedly accused me and others of "vandalism" and sockpuppetry (he repeatedly conflated multiple users with accounts with at least two and probably more IP users and implicitly with each other -- I can get the diffs if you need them), and even made what looked like a threat. I am not sure if his involvement in these pages is related to Catholicism: he seems to be subtly pushing the ahistorical idea that the Jesuits in particular and the Catholic Church in general was always opposed to slavery of Africans, and seems to be either ignorant of or willfully pretending to be ignorant of the Catholic Church's blessing being granted to Portuguese and Spanish colonial ambitions in Asia and the Americas, but it's very minor and I might be reading too much in. I am still, frankly, concerned about the possibility of further repercussions for me personally and the articles I have worked on (his behaviour on Samurai implies he has no problem vandalizing even a highly visible Japanese article for no purpose other than "revenge" against Japan-focused editors who undermined him), and I would rather not involve myself any further, but I can be reached by email. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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Between suspicion and aspersion

Hijiri 88, it's perfectly OK to suspect editors or IPs of sockpuppetry. It's also OK to publicly mention this suspicion once or twice, in order to draw the attention of other editors to this possibility. It's not OK to go on publicly speculating about this or representing it as facts. Please take this to WP:SPI and stop posting about it on ANI. Thank you! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 04:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, I did only mention it once (if that), and I was only repeating something someone had already said without incident. I then was met with two editors saying, completely out of the blue and without justification "Why are you accusing me of sockpuppetry!?" time after time after time.

Personally, I think it is super-suspicious that, when someone says "The OP logged out to file this report, and hasn't disclosed the name of their account", an accounted editor comes along and assumes, without justification, that the account being referred to is their own, but I didn't even say that I found this suspicious until like the third time it happened in a comment in which I was pinged (and the first time I was pinged wasn't even the first time it had happened within that same thread).

I think I've made it clear that I'd rather remove myself from the discussion, and I would be happy to let Wally have the last word as long as he doesn't ping me to do it. I do think TOA should be blocked for the multiple unprovoked and unapologetic personal attacks against me (Comparing editors to Nazis is actually one of the specific examples listed at WP:WIAPA -- it's actually what got the famous Til Eulenspiegel initially banned from editing English Misplaced Pages), as well as his continued harassment of MPants, and the fact that he is an indeffed vandal who was given WP:ROPE and has been abusing it, but I would prefer to leave that to the community to decide. Hijiri out.

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Natemup, Stormshadows00, and Katemeshi101

@Blue Pumpkin Pie: I decided to remove myself from the toxic atmosphere of the "main" Yasuke article two months ago because of the hell Natemup created. (Email me for the details if you want. I'm not comfortable disclosing them on-wiki.) I am therefore not going to post the following to the talk page itself.

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I wasn't aware of changes made to the historical Yasuke page, but I'm very much aware of a few editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict"). The truth of the matter is that majority of samurai were of the noble class, but not all of them. A notable example happens to be the most famous one in Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who was born the son of a farmer and became samurai, general, and daimyo himself. And Hideyoshi's rise in status, same as Yasuke's time, was during Nobunaga's time. So the idea of "Yasuke can't be samurai because he wasn't of noble birth" is 100% flawed when you literally had it happen in Hideyoshi. I've seen people play "what they really mean" and try to discredit sources when it comes to the issue and if sources say that he was a samurai and historians say this as well, then it should be a foregone conclusion to add sources. If you have a good source that says it, by all means add it. Removing "samurai" or wholesale removal of sources to reflect a non-consensus POV or bullying a POV push is not even close to right. As far as this article goes, the source material states that he is samurai, the creator said he is samurai, the sources say that he is samurai, and so on So any removal of that or sources reflecting that is just wrongheaded especially when the sources back up the source material. Stormshadows00 19:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC) editors trying to remove any mention of "samurai" (including the removal of "samurai conflict") Please do not make disruptive, inflammatory remarks like this. I did not remove any classification of the character in this show as a samurai because the show is fiction and the writers of the show can portray their characters however they like. I removed awkward prose because, you know, it's awkward. BTW, reopening this discussion after the OP very nearly got in big trouble for his behaviour on this and related pages and probably doesn't want to come back here... strikes me as a bit inappropriate. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC) You don't remove sources just because you don't believe they're accurate if they were verified and credible sources. What you can do as an alternative is add more information that counters it in order for it to have due weight.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC) Stormshadows00 is completely correct here. I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" (page 33) that daimyos could grant samurai status to commoners for a wide variety of reasons. Historian Thomas Lockely has written in his books that Yasuke was almost certainly granted such samurai status. But the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong. Constantine Nomikos Vaporis, a very prominent historian, notes in "Samurai : an encyclopedia of Japan's cultured warriors" that there were many parts of Japan where most of samurai were those who recently purchased their rank. In Tosa during the late-Tokugawa period, the large majority of the samurai had purchased the rank within their own lifetimes. Anyway, the reason why every available source describes Yasuke as a samurai is because he obviously was a samurai. Katemeshi101 06:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC) I read in WG Beasley's "The Meiji Restoration" Please refrain from telling lies. You never read that book: you Googled up a source that said what you wanted it to. Historian Thomas Lockely Umm... citation needed? Lockley is an English teacher with a hobbyist's interest in history, but his reason for claiming that Yasuke was, to use your words, almost certainly granted such samurai status is based on a misreading of a passage in a seemingly-late, possibly-derivative variant text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a dagger with a decorative scabbard, which he presents as a passage in the prototype text of the Shinchōki that refers to Yasuke being granted a sword, "the symbol of the samurai". the idea that samurai status is strictly hereditary is obviously wrong That is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and it's interesting that you chose to make the exact same, irrelevant, argument as another editor did two months ago. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

However, if you would like to continue handling the matter, I can offer you whatever advice/assistance you may want (beyond the above replies that I decided not to post) here on my own talk page.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I'm only talking about "samurai" thing (which shouldn't have been brought to that article to begin with -- it was blatant WP:FORUMSHOPping/WP:CANVASsing). I'm still happy to chime in on the stuff that can still be handled as a good-faith content dispute (even when two or three of the editors are apparently not good-faith actors), and that includes the use of the phrase "Sengoku period of samurai conflict" that makes the Misplaced Pages article look like it was written by James Clavell. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Hijiri88, I have been working on fixing dangling references that have no corresponding sources, and it appears you added a ref to Aisome-gawa (otogi-zōshi) in this edit. Do you know the source? For now, I have hidden the source. Let me know if you need any assistance if you do know the source! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 04:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Aussie Article Writer: Thank you for the message! It was likely a copy-paste error: I'm pretty sure I was copying pieces of the formatting from Aisome-gawa (Noh), which I had written two weeks earlier. I just checked, and the Tokue article was the source for this sentence as with the rest of the article. Sorry for the confusion! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ve fixed it now. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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@CycoMa and Crossroads: I don't think I was the referent of this edit, but I think it probably applies to me just as well. This was not a conscious or deliberate decision on my part, but rather how things just tend to work out because, per WP:PACT, I have a tendency to assume that whenever someone expresses skepticism about my knowledge of a topic that I definitely know substantially more about than they do (in this case, Japanese pronouns), they are asking a good-faith question and it is my responsibility to explain as thoroughly and carefully so they can gain the same level of understanding and therefore, hopefully, come around to my way of thinking.

My WP:FORUMSHOPping the Utada discussion to WP:LGBT was actually a complete accident -- the initial post was really just a general question that, if I had got a straight answer up front, would have made it easier to argue coherently. Being a straight cisgender male who has lived in Japan since around the time Twitter was invented, most of what I know about "preferred pronouns" comes from randomly consumed pop culture rather than any academic study or the lived experience of myself or anyone I know personally. It's therefore difficult for me to understand the way of thinking of someone who is not an Utada fan but came to that article because of an interest in LGBTQ+ topics. And for the sake of full disclosure, under the influence of some friends who are much bigger J-Pop fans than me, I bought a few of Utada's CDs from Book Off back in the early 2010s and enjoyed them, and given Utada's status as a household name in Japan I would have been familiar with her/their work regardless, but I wouldn't consider myself a "fan".

Anyway, upon noticing the above comment by CycoMa, I decided that it might be a bad idea to post this:

Possible accidental bludgeoning. Clarification of (non-)use of atashi by (cisgender?) men, and elaboration on why it's not that important.

That would be the column "gender" for "atashi" where it says females, rarely males. Newimpartial (talk) 06:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (Sorry, didn't notice the duplicate. My response above was not as visible as it probably would have been here, so duplicating.) I'll have to get back to you. An initial Googling brought up this and this as sources indicating that atashi is mainly used by women and "doesn't seem to be used by men". In ten years living in Japan, I don't think I've ever heard a man use atashi to describe themselves (unless one takes the transphobic view that transsexual women using feminine language to emphasize their gender are men in drag and "faking it"). Our article doesn't cite a source, anyway, and I think you're kinda turning WP:BURDEN on its head by demanding that I prove a negative ("no men ever use atashi"): it is very female-coded, and is strong evidence that our subject either (a) doesn't care about pronouns one way or the other or (b) would prefer if Misplaced Pages and other media continue to use female pronouns. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC) Sorry! It's not obvious from my edit summary, but in the interim I asked a friend of mine (an actor) and heard that it is sometimes used by male characters in jidaigeki as well as in rakugo; Japanese Misplaced Pages says the same thing (and presumably if it were wrong someone in Japan would have thought to change it), and now so does English Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, all of this is sub-optimal from a sourcing standpoint, but among Japanese-speakers it is WP:BLUE that atashi is feminine (see also User:EvergreenFir's comment below), and the positive claim that it is sometimes used by men is what would need a reliable source under normal circumstances. These are not normal circumstances, mind you: I am not trying to add to or take away from an article's content, but rather gathering evidence of various kinds in support of restoring the female pronouns/determiners in the article. This evidence includes not only (i) Utada's continued use of feminine language (I focused on atashi because "pronouns" is what pop culture calls the words that were recently changed, most of which are what I would call determiners, although I definitely learned in JCE French that they were "adjectives") but also things like (ii) a Tweet in which Utada explicitly called language from (i) "women's language", (iii) her/their official English website continuing to use female pronouns/determiners in multiple places, and (iv) her/their referring to herself/themselves as a "woman" on at least one occasion since coming out as non-binary ("at least" because if one considers the original Instagram post about Mrs./Miss/Ms. to constitute "coming out", the same post referred to being female as "my sex"). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Your thoughts?

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I won't go into details, but I'd like to thank the editors (they know who they are) who have helped me through this relatively very difficult time. :-) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

<small/> tags on ANI_tags_on_ANI-2021-11-18T09:21:00.000Z">

Your <small> tags on your comment here appear to be breaking the rest of the page - at least for me. Could you fix them. Thanks.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)_tags_on_ANI"> _tags_on_ANI">

Someones fixed it now.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WP:ANI that involves you

As a courtesy see here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

FTR I have no idea who Cavalryman is. I guess it refers to either Reyk or Piotrus. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

No, there is an actual user named Cavalryman and he's not the same person as me or Piotrus. Reyk _YO! 17:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Reyk: Sorry, I had hoped it would be clear that I was joking about the absurdity of Cavalryman having "invited" me to participate at ANI when I had known about the ANI thread(s) almost a month ago, mentioned it on the talk pages of both you and Piotrus (who was the first one to notify me), expressed my simultaneous feeling of responsibility and reluctance to comment multiple times, and actually commented before any interaction with Cavalryman (who I only responded to in a capacity that I felt was so peripheral to the discussion that I made my text small). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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I'm pretty sure that the wording of my questions to the various ArbCom candidates just now would have been permissible even if BANEX did not cover questions to potential Arbitrators who may be assessing an appeal of a ban to which my question applies in the future. However, I feel fairly confident that it does apply, at least as much as my question on Beeblebrox's talk page here (which, unlike my question to the ArbCom candidates, actually mentioned the other IBAN party by name six times). And yeah, sorry about not getting around to posting that appeal yet. It was always a pretty low priority, and I haven't even been able to write any WAM articles this year, so it looks like it'll be another while. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I couldn't find a way to properly phrase this as a question without simply saying "Would you support my appeal if I made it again at some point next year?", which doesn't feel appropriate. Opabinia regalis's answer (courtesy ping) was excellent, but I'm kinda regretting not going further in on the specific details in my initial question (which, needless to say, was worded with deliberate vagueness). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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You wanna take this?

@Crossroads: For reasons that should be obvious, I decided not to post the following. I was initially going to shorten it by deleting everything after ...cares enough to pay for that., but figured it'd be better to just share the whole thing and allow you to do with it as you will. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

See my stricken comment: it's not "publicists" but almost certainly a freelance translation agency, and nothing was "changed" but rather a few new articles were added with they. The main profile page and all news articles prior to this week (assuming this was a "batch" translation), including those since last June, continue to use she. It's likely that the only reason for the inconsistency one way or the other is that it would cost extra to pay a professional copyeditor to change one or the other and neither Utada nor anyone involved in the maintenance of the website cares enough to pay for that. If it were me doing the translation (and it wasn't) it would be unthinkable to change the pronouns without also directly notifying the (non-English-speaking) client that I had done so and recommending that they change the older pages for consistency, so it is important to note that no such change has thus far been made. This may come as a shock to people who live in America or Europe and have never spent time in Japan or dwelt on the websites of Japanese companies, celebrities, etc., but people really care that little about the quality of the "official English versions" of their websites: even the great Mitsubishi's official global site has a history section whose front page that reads Presented here is Mitsubishi's journey in the automobile industry since the its establishment., says "News Release" where it should say "News Releases" or just "News" (it's not a list of press releases but simply news updates), their Corporate Profile page uses full-width commas instead of commas followed by spaces in their address, and what should be Number of Board Members is Member of the Board and what should be something like CEO and Representative Director is instead the utterly bizarre Member of the Board Representative Executive Officer,�President & CEO; if a multinational corporation with overseas investors and a massive overseas market has a website that looks like this (definitely the result of being farmed out to a general translation service and then "proof-read" in-house by people with minimal English proficiency), then why would we assume the website of a popstar who is almost unheard of outside of Japanese-speaking communities is better when all evidence supports the opposite assertion? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Probably should also ping User:Tamzin and get her take on the matter. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

To be totally clear, are you okay with me posting it there as a quote from you? I think these are good points. Crossroads 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's totally fine! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Crossroads 06:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Yamato kotoba

Hi. Your moving description says ""Yamato-kotoba" has technical uses that differ from "wago"'s; both are encyclopedic and merit articles, but they should be separate articles, and this article appears always to have been primarily about wago, NOT yamato-kotoba, so moving page". Can you explain this further? I have been reading linguistic sources about wago/yamato kotoba and every one of them uses the term interchangably, with wago merely being the more wide-spread term, of Chinese origin. Can you show sources that separate them and show how they "differ"? Xia 08:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you sure? Most linguistics sources I have read uniformly use "wago" (perhaps because it definitely makes more sense as a pair with "kango"?), while I've mostly seen "yamato-kotoba" used in works of literary history to refer to the poetic lexicon of post-Kokinshū waka and/or non wakankonkō prose. I may have been wrong in my statement four years ago that the latter should have it's own article: if you disagree with said statement, feel free to follow my lead and continue to not create such an article. I fail to see how expecting de facto semi-retired editors like me to formally renounce all statements from years earlier that we may no longer agree with does the project any good. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I merely came across this as I'm writing the hu:Vago article on huwiki. No need to bite my head off for asking. Your statement startled me, because it goes against of what I personallyread in sources. So wanted to know where you have read that. All of those sources on the bottom of my huwiki article merely say yamato kotoba is just another name for wago.

"Investigations of each aspect of these and other properties have elucidated the degree of productivity and of creativity of mimetics in comparison with words in the other strata such as Yamato kotoba or wago (native Japanese words)" -- Taro Kageyama, Hideki Kishimoto: Handbook of Japanese Lexicon and Word Formation. Page 135.

"Words in the native stratum, also called wago, are words peculiar to Japanese and form the core of the Japanese lexicon. The wa of wago originates from ancient Chinese 倭(wǒ; ancient Chinese name for Japan) and the go 語(‘word’) also comes from Chinese, so the term wago itself is from Chinese. The term Yamato kotoba ‘Yamato language’ (Yamato being an old name for Japan) is also used to refer to words that are originally Japanese." -- page 16-17.

"Traditionally, the Japanese lexicon is characterized in terms of three strata. The terms wago 'Japanese words' or Yamato-kotoba 'Yamato words' refer to the stratum of the native vocabulary, and kango 'Chinese words' refers to loan words of Chinese origin" -- Masayoshi Shibatani. The Languages of Japan. Page. 142.

So I would be interested to see those sources that separate the two. Simply because of encyclopedic reasons of showing a topic from several aspects. if there IS serious research about them being different, it should be discussed in the article. I just own a bunch of Japanese language books and none of them do. Cheers. Xia 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but did I ever claim I had a source that explicitly stated the distinction? My above reply to you certainly did not make this claim, nor did my edit summary from 2018. In any case, if I recall correctly, this is the linguistic work in which I first learned about wago and kango (and gairaigo). Yamatokotoba, meanwhile, was a word I heard in casual conversation numerous times for at least two or three years before that; when penning my reply to you above, I scanned this book, which (I think?) doesn't mention "wago" but uses "yamato kotoba" in the context of wakan-konkōbun as addressed by Meiji-era literary historians. I hope this has been of some use. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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@Liz: I've been well. I'm not really fully "back" at the moment, but I do appreciate your message. The reason I largely stopped editing Misplaced Pages a few years back was partly because of the drahma, but primarily because of a number of systemic issues not (directly) related to ANI, so I'm still not sure if I'm ready to fully return. (Also, shortly before I was eligible for permanent residency I had to switch employers because of pandemic-related issues, which was pretty hectic, and I still don't have the kind of free time I had during most of my more active periods.) I do still want to finish (or continue) a number of the projects I started back in 2015, 2017, and 2018, and I will probably continue on-and-off editing for the time being. But thank you for your gracious message -- I do very much appreciate it! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Please, can you help me with these translations from Japanese to English: Kotanbetsu (ja:古丹別駅), Onishika (ja:鬼鹿村), Brown Bear Storm (ja:羆嵐), Japan Hunting Friends Association (ja:大日本猟友会), Hokkaido Government Police Department (ja:北海道庁警察部), Haboro Police Station (ja:羽幌警察署), 28th Infantry Regiment (Japan) (ja:歩兵第28連隊), Japan Action Enterprise (ja:ジャパンアクションエンタープライズ), Kaoru Takagi (ja:高木薫), Hokkaido Wine (ja:北海道ワイン). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.21.33.91 (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it? 79.16.244.59 (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hijiri hasn't edited since November 26....be patient. Lectonar (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@79.16.244.59: Sorry, but I'm somewhat busy IRL at the moment. If you could clarify what kind of "help" you want, I might be able to help in my own time; are you planning on posting machine-translations from Japanese Misplaced Pages to the draft space or something?

@Lectonar: Thanks for the assist!

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Hello, pardon before. But if you dont mind, may i ask if this source is credible for wikipedia?

https://kokusho.nijl.ac.jp/biblio/100164361/48?ln=ja

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would it be possible to have your support on the Yasuke-article? i saw in the archives your name and i think, that your knowlege about Yasuke could benefit the article and the sources about paper in Japan about this figure. I am personally mainly interested about the Japanese academic view about his slavery background. --ErikWar19 (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I don't care about Ubisoft videogames and I am frankly disgusted having expressed an interest in Japanese history on this site and elsewhere has now caused people who clearly have no knowledge of or interest in Japan to see me as a "brother in arms". I don't know why someone whose account is two months old would be reaching out to mostly retired editors about articles they worked on three years ago, but this is super suspicious. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hello Hijiri88, Apologies for the interruption. I have sent you an email regarding your comment at RSN. Rotary Engine 03:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers.

I know you haven't been on here for a while, but when you return, here's to something like three years of absolutely no feuding between us. I feel like we have finally put our differences behind us and I wanted to recognize our mutual accomplishments of maintaining civility by memorializing it on your talk page. The hard earned honor and respect for our civility is worth celebrating. Congrats to us! Huggums 03:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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