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| ==Wiki Education assignment: Personality Theory== | |||
| I had to remove that comment. Stereotype would be a much more succint way of referencing the fact that labeling is a short hand language in groups. | |||
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| == Article contradicts itself == | |||
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| In one section, it is stated that people high in narcissism have high self-esteem, have positive self-perception and are relatively worry- and gloom-free. In another section, it states that people high in narcissism have fragile self-esteem, are easily threatened, and are more likely to interpret the behavior of others as abusive and threatening. | |||
| == Ways to improve this article == | |||
| Clarification or further explanation is necessary. Relying on individuals high in narcissism to self-report can be extemely problematic and likely accounts for many contradictions regarding this topic. Acknowledgement of this would a helpful addition to the article. Studies now suggest there is a pervasive lack of self esteem in these personalities, as well as a very negative self-perception that many of them intentionally work to conceal. | |||
| I think this article could be improved by a larger emphasis on Cultural Narcissism. (see topic page for section on Lasch). There is so much room for enlarging on this. There is the entire matter of narcissism in all kinds of social, political geographic, ethnic and religious groups, etc. There is the entire topic of how Narcissism helps and/or hurts powerful national leaders. There are papers and books that discuss these issues without trying to label people. | |||
| == Echoism psychology redirect == | |||
| Ideas, anyone? Could be an exciting phase for this topic! ] 11:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The word "echoism" doesn't appear on the ] article even though the ] article redirects there. Not sure where I could place a new section about echoism, but I also do not know what specific sources would be suitable for backing up the concept of echoism as a reliably sourced entry. There's some sources out there about "echoism", but some of the websites are on the Misplaced Pages blacklist, implying that these links are problematic and thus are unreliable sources. ] (] | ]) 08:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree, but I am a gnome, not an expert! I have played with re-writing the intro of this article to develop the continuum concept and drafted some ideas at ] which you may view/edit and comment on my user-page (if you mess up, don't worry! I keep copies off-line). See also also | |||
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| Whoever you are, I thank you for your edit addition. It was exactly what the article needed, it seems to me -- an excellent concise defining of the very core of narcissism was really needed for the lead-off on this amalgamation of loosely related topics. My hat is off to you. Please consider coming back. | |||
| And yes, I noted the comment and link, but it is very tiny and inconsequential in the big scheme of things. Give it a few days. ] 02:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :A question - Do you have any ideas on a title for this topic page? Any comments on my comments of yesterday? You won't hurt my feelings. This isn't "my" page, but everyone's. ] 02:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == NPA Theory == | |||
| This NPA theory hardly seems scientific. Mendelian genetics was state of the art a few centuries ago and is good enough to explain whether a pea is smooth or wrinkled, but human behavior is more complicated than that. As part of its description of traits, NPA theory distinguishes between whether blood rushes to or away from the face when angry. Just because the guy who came up with the idea has an M.D. doesn't mean he isn't a quack. If his theories have been published in any peer-reviewed scientific or psychological journals, that's a start. For now, his theory should be considered original research and not appropriate for Misplaced Pages. | |||
| In that vein, I am deleting his theory from this article.--] 21:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello NeantHumain. | |||
| :True, it is not proven. But it has been well-established in dogs and cattle (and possibly far many more animals) that Trait Theory is firmly established (though naturally the traits of these lower animals are not identical to hypothesized inherited human traits). On this basis and on the basis that chimps and gorillas seem to show the same hypothesized inherited trait transmission as humans, it seems to support this theory, but is certainly not '''proven'''. | |||
| :Of course, very much of what is postulated in science is not proven, but is hypothesized and then tested to prove or disprove the premise. It is also true that Dr. Benis is self-published, and there have been, as of yet, no researchers known to be involved in or planning to be involved in the testing of this theory. | |||
| :True, even such great a thing as evolution is not proven, but it is substantiated by thousands of discoveries linked to sedimentary rock layers that can be dated. Also, developmental medicine holds to the adage that "Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny" This refers to the anatomical tracking of mammalian fetal development in many species. This goes far to giving supportive evidence. | |||
| :In essence, I am in agreement with your decision and will remove it from another related topic. Thank you for posting about your reason for the deletion to this talk page. - ] 22:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Regarding citations == | |||
| The introduction to this topic article begins with a tiny bit about the disturbing myth of Echo and Narcissis (really worth a read under ]). | |||
| It is then explained that Narcissism in excess can be pathological in the Psychiatric/Psychological sense. This is fully explained and referenced in ] and ]. | |||
| In these same references are the citations for 1) narcissism as part of normal personality development and 2) abuse causing increases in narcissism. | |||
| I would rather hate to see all those citations carried over to this topic area where they will overwhelm and bury the links and books relevant here, especially when the concepts are already linked, plus the explanation and link to ] at the head of the page. Just my opinion. - ] 19:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Narcissism Topic Deletions == | |||
| Kirske. You state as your reason for removing, in the intro, the reference to many decades of psychiatric and psychological study and research into narcissism, regarding it being a part of a normal healthy psyche is your view that it is merely POV. This is not POV and it IS (at the least) a solidly Western cultural world view. It is also objective, based on thousands of studies. It is not a matter of my feelings or personal beliefs. I feel entirely neutral about the issue. | |||
| As for the other paragraph you deleted, it is very true and reliably documented that in severe cases of narcissism, where a great deal of problems in functioning in social, business and family relationships occurs, it is most likely an outcome of childhood abuse. Abuse can be physical or emotional. Abuse can also be caused by ignoring the child and treating it as an extension of one's hopes and dreams -- loving too much, spoiling too much is also abuse. It gives the child a falsely propped up sense of self and thus the child has no inner core of healthy narcissism and have a terribly low self esteem, lack of confidence. | |||
| A minor short paragraph or two giving an ultra-brief explanation of the other aspects of the word, which are intrinsically tied in to the cultural sense of the word, is necessary to lay the foundation of the article. It is as relevant to a discussion of the subject of the cultural sense of narcissism as is the referece to Greek mythology. Did you, by any chance, pause to check out the Talk:Narcissism page? If you have, then you will have noted why the links are embedded within the text of articles --- they are specificaly for people to find out more about the subject and increase their understanding of what is being talked about. | |||
| Now I agree that this Cultural Narcissism topic is yet a stub of a few random topics, all VERY briefly presently, loosely lumped into a sequence, and that the intro also needs a discussion of what cultural narcissism truly means. Instead, what is available now is merely a mishmash of topics. It also needs a thoughtful categorizing and a well thought out approach. | |||
| I am glad to see concern over topic development, but one should not delete in a topic where they have no knowledge of the subject, where they have merely POV and emotional reaction. What should be done is to either click the links and learn more, or post your complaints to the talk page Talk:Narcissism. There you can present YOUR POV and ask for feedback. | |||
| Going about deleting on the basis of POV is no better than going about creating topic copy based on POV. So come back and chat, don't delete. Such deletions border on pure vandalism and are time consuming to correct. Perhaps you will have time to do the necessary revisions? | |||
| Forgive all my incomplete sentences. I have a cold and am not up to snuff. Thank you - ] 09:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Celebrity Narcissism == | |||
| Needs to be stuff in here about celebrity narcissism.--] 20:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Section removed == | |||
| Material on NPA personality theory reappeared for some reason, despite the agreement above to remove it. It appears to be pure original research with no currency in the field (see ]). I don't think it should be restored unless somebody is capable of countering that critique. --] 23:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2022 and 11 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Ewb432 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Mld4p.
Article contradicts itself
In one section, it is stated that people high in narcissism have high self-esteem, have positive self-perception and are relatively worry- and gloom-free. In another section, it states that people high in narcissism have fragile self-esteem, are easily threatened, and are more likely to interpret the behavior of others as abusive and threatening.
Clarification or further explanation is necessary. Relying on individuals high in narcissism to self-report can be extemely problematic and likely accounts for many contradictions regarding this topic. Acknowledgement of this would a helpful addition to the article. Studies now suggest there is a pervasive lack of self esteem in these personalities, as well as a very negative self-perception that many of them intentionally work to conceal.
Echoism psychology redirect
The word "echoism" doesn't appear on the Narcissism article even though the Echoism (psychology) article redirects there. Not sure where I could place a new section about echoism, but I also do not know what specific sources would be suitable for backing up the concept of echoism as a reliably sourced entry. There's some sources out there about "echoism", but some of the websites are on the Misplaced Pages blacklist, implying that these links are problematic and thus are unreliable sources. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 08:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I am a gnome, not an expert! I have played with re-writing the intro of this article to develop the continuum concept and drafted some ideas at User:Timpo/sandbox which you may view/edit and comment on my user-page (if you mess up, don't worry! I keep copies off-line). See also The Conversation:Echoism: the flip side of narcissism explained (Published on June26 2024) also US National library of Medicine: The many faces of narcissism by Glen O. Gabbard and Holly Crisp‐Han (date:15 June 2016)
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