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==Parity to Taiwan Page== |
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There is a culture section in ]; At the moment, due to the small size of this page, these two should be identical. Although I feel as though the redundancy is unneccesary, this particular page COULD be greatly expanded, therefore I left it.--] 20:45, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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==Colonial influence== |
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can anyone tell me how much "Dutch and Spanish" influenced Taiwanese culture? ] ]] 04:31, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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:Interesting observation. How about the catholic religion(天主教和基督教隨著西班牙、荷蘭勢力，先後進入台灣傳教 , I thought one of the three largest catholic churches in east Asia was established by the Spanish priest)? Architecture?(Fort San Domingo-red hair)? How about the heritage of the Pepo writing? Perhaps we can do some research and see if there is any more scholarly discussion on the webpage.] 04:58, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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Wow, you are right. One church building influences the entire country of Taiwan. How euro-centric of you... |
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:Interesting article:. Even though this article seemed to deny Dutch's influence in the Chirstianism of Taiwan today, it could still be debatable. Moreover, I thought there is indeed a concentrated cohort of Chirstian/Catholics in the southern part of Taiwan, the area where mostly used to be ruled by Dutch.] 05:15, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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::So it's mostly religious? I was thinking more in lines of language, customs, cuisine, holidays or what nots, since the majority of Taiwanese people are Taoists/Buddhists/Superstitious, rather than Christians. ] ]] 06:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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According to the page , Dutch's influence on Taiwan has been classified as '''Colonial Culture'''. It seemed that the romanized aboringinal writing at least lasted until the Japanese rule but lost under KMT rule. As for cusine, probably only the beef noodles (牛肉麵) was preserved, since the bulls were introduced by Dutch..... I am certainly not an expert on this topic and I am not sure whether my answer would quench your inquisition. It may not necessary to introduce a cuisine or costum to call it a culture either. Since this is being claimed by the government, I wonder if we should do more research and try to expand this since you brought this up or perhaps you would prefer to trim it.] 06:51, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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:::Maybe we should add a section on the religions of Taiwan, and maybe add some history section including dutch influence that's not covered by the CIA world factbook. ] ]] 20:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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::::We can certainly do that. It would take some time on information gathering for that. Perhaps someone should write on a new article ] and incorporate parts in this article. We can certainly make it our first colloboration proposal on Taiwan-related notice board too. Embarrassingly, as you said, a large portion of Taiwanese are superstitious. I have no clue on where the origin of those superstition as religions come from. :(] 06:41, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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::::I think it had to do with early immigrants' need for religion when developing Taiwan, which was very difficult. ] ]] 06:35, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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==Pupet show== |
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== WikiProject designation == |
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] has repeatedly removed {{]}} from this talk page. "China" refers to the nation China, with no political implications. Moreover, articles about Taiwan also go under WikiProject China. Is there any rationale for ''not'' including this article in WikiProject China or ''for'' including this article in another WikiProject? Thank you. —] <span style="font-size:0.9em;"><span style="position:relative;top:-0.5em;">(]</span><span style="position:relative;top:0.5em;left:-0.5em;">])</span></span> 04:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:Please refer to the talkpage of ]. I clearly pointed out the diff. theories of the relations of ROC and PRC. This template indirectly implies Taiwan is part of China, which is actually a controversial political issue since quite a lot of Taiwanese doesn't consider themselves to be Chinese. The inclusion has strong POV issue especially on a culture page since Taiwan and China culture differ. (similar only to marginal extent)--] 05:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::I can't see any reason not to include this article in this WikiProject unless subprojects about Taiwan or the ROC are created (which I don't think is necessary). ] ] 07:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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::If you think Chinese and Taiwanese culture are similar only to marginal extent, you clearly don't know enough about Taiwan to edit articles about Taiwanese issues in an encyclopedia. As there was no Cultural revolution in the ROC, some parts of Chinese culture are stronger in Taiwan than in Mainland China. ] ] 07:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC) |
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I highly doubt if you ever been to Taiwan in your lifetime. In any case, most Taiwanese have been in Taiwan for centuries and I really don't see Taiwanese culture being any closer to Chinese culture than other east Asian culture. From a language perspective, yeah, it was harshly imposed by Chiang-Kai Shek, but the way of life, ideas, and overall culture are extremely different. Taiwan is a strongly westernized (Americanized) society with significant Japanese influence. The culture in Taiwan could be considering a blend of many cultures, thus creating its distinct culture.--] 18:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:I get a sense that you are making this up, as the ridiculousness of the ideas you present seem to be not espoused anywhere else, even by independence supporters. The question is, have ''you'' been to Taiwan? I certainly have. And in many ways, Chinese culture is better preserved in Taiwan (think temples) than in mainland China. So should I remove the CHINA tag from ]? |
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:And perhaps you will want to read about the linguistic classification of ]. Both Min and Mandarin are classified as Chinese.--] 09:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Can we please finish discussing this before making any changes to WikiProject designation? I don't think that's too much to ask. (Marking such a change minor is somewhat irritating, too.) Thanks. —] <span style="font-size:0.9em;"><span style="position:relative;top:-0.5em;">(]</span><span style="position:relative;top:0.5em;left:-0.5em;">])</span></span> 05:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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I respectfully decline although I do appreciate your effort to communicate on the ground that none of you ever thought about discussing it before introducing the project designation in the 1st place.--] 08:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC) |
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In response to Jiang, I'm not making anythin' up. Just because others don't advocate Chinese annexation doesn't mean my argument was ridiculous. I really don't care whether you've been to Taiwan or not since I have no way of finding out. Blank statement serve no purpose here. --] 02:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:You are the one questioning another user's credentials by asking whether that user has been in Taiwan. I took some pictures in Taiwan: ]. If you are not the sole source of your information, then back it up. Cite the books, magazines, websites, etc. that say what you say is true. Otherwise, we cant take you seriously given the absurdity of your assumptions.--] 02:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC) |
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