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== Is Trump identified as a "white nationalist"? ==
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Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

], standing beside a collection of Maori carvings, including two fire-screens, carved by her father Albert Percy Godber]]
I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:If Godber is not ], which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. ] (]) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::] is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? ] (]) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dunno, but ] wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. ] (]) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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::::And this a request to revisit his finding. We have a photographer from more than 100 years ago who documented areas of New Zealand's North Island. We have his work in a National Library collection. We have his work discussed as iconic for one of his Maori related photographs. We have his work revisited in a 2018 exhibition. We have descriptions of him related to his photographs, his career, and we have the photos themselves documenting the areas industries, sites, infrastructure from more than 100 years ago. If I was satisfied with the previous conclusions I would not be here. So I ask again, should we have an entry on this subject? Should we just attribute his photos where we use them to an unlinked name with no explanation or discussion of who he was? I think the answer is clear, and I wanted to hear Jimbo's opinion. I am aware of what was previously stated. Years have passed and I believe it's time to reevaluate and consider. I also think it's worth reflecting on our article creations processes more generally and how we apply our conception of "notability". ] (]) 23:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*Godber's photographs include "views of the ] including large numbers of cars traveling to ], and the ]. Another group of images relate to a holiday at the ] Homestead in ] with scenes of farm life, including ], ] sheep, and farm buildings. During their stay in the South Island Godber also took photographs of Dunedin (including the ], ], ], the ], and the Hillside Railway Workshops); ] (including the Invercargill Railway Workshops); Stewart Island, ], ], ], ] and ]. Various railway stations in Canterbury and Otago, the ], and the Rosslyn Mills. Godber was a volunteer fireman with the Petone Fire Brigade with the album including views of the building, groups of firemen, fire engines and other fire fighting equipment, and a building in Petone damaged by fire. In his work with New Zealand Railways, mainly at the Petone Railway Workshops, he took interior photographs of various buildings, including the Machine Shop and finishing benches, the engine room, lathes, boilers, and fitting shops. He also took photographs of many of the steam engines that were built and worked on at the workshops. One scene shows a group of men watching a fight. Many images show his interest in logging railways, particularly in the ], ], ] area. Scenes of logging camps, various methods of transporting logs including bullock teams, logging trains, and dams created and then tripped to send logs down by river, and timber mills. Other topics covered in Godber's photographs are scenes at Maori ] and meeting houses, with some of the people identified; Maori carving and rafter designs; beekeeping, and gold mining." ] (]) 23:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*It's hard to choose which photos to share. Historic views areas, industries, bridges, natural features, railways and bridges, crafts. to his photos on Misplaced Pages Commons. Many already illustrate our entries on various subjects. ] (]) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:: If you really want to help him, get a couple stories published about him in newspapers. Notability here will follow. ] (]) 01:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

== Just wanted to say ==

You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you. <br>It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the <s>cabal of editors</s> <b>thriving community</b> that is Misplaced Pages.
I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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For the interested. ] (]) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Could somebody else review what's happening at ]? I'm withdrawing from editing it because I feel conflicted. It just bothers me to no end to in effect say the our President is identified as a "white nationalist." BTW he stated in an interview on video that he would revoke birthright citizenship in the United States by means of an executive order. See, e.g. CNN.


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The paragraph most at issue is:
"The aspect of birthright citizenship conferred by '']'' (Latin: right of the soil) is regarded as controversial by some U.S. political figures, particularly those associated with ]"


== Happy new year ==
The next paragraph talks about Trump and the video complete with refs.


Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? ] 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Trump identifies himself as a "nationalist". Others, e.g. in Pittsburgh, identify him as a "white nationalist." I'm tending to the 2nd POV now. Part of my conflict, I suppose, is that I was born to 2 then non-citizen parents in the US. I'm as American (and as WASP) as anybody. But I'm having difficulty handling this. Any help appreciated. ]<sub>(])</sub> 14:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:I haven't read the article in question, but I think it is completely wrong to identify Trump as a "white nationalist". Very oversimplified. My personal dislike of the man is well-known, so I can hardly be accused of being sympathetic, but a claim like that is an inappropriate stretch.--] (]) 14:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
::'''Addendum''': I just went and read what Trump said (just yesterday) about his intention to end birthright citizenship by Executive Order. He may or may not be a "white nationalist" (I stand by what I wrote above on that) but I just wanted to say that he is a complete Humpty Dumpty regarding the Constitution. I will enjoy (in a sad way, though) seeing the elements on the right twist themselves into contortions to support him, while at the same time continuing to allegedly support the idea of an original intent reading of the Constitution. "“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’" - Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass--] (]) 14:38, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:"I'm not saying he's a racist. I'm simply saying the racists believe he's a racist". <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 14:56, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
::While that second sentence can be supported with sources, it probably doesn't fit that particular article, per coatrack. ] (]) 15:01, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:::We have this article ]. ] (]) 15:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
::: And see ]. ] (]) 15:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:It is not calling Trump a white nationalist to say that he has adopted a position promoted by white nationalists. ] (]) 15:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
::: I don't recall suggesting it be added. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 09:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::It's still a stretch of "guilt by association". Lots of people (not just Trump) have reasons to argue for a change to US immigration law. As many have pointed out, the US policy of automatic citizenship for anyone born in the US is actually fairly unusual (it doesn't exist in most or all of Europe for example), so the mere fact that white nationalists favor it doesn't make it fair to draw that comparison. You might as well say "The German government under Angela Merkel, in common with German white nationalists, doesn't support the idea of birthright citizenship". I think it's weak writing.--] (]) 16:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thought I'd chime in here. My understanding is that it did exist, at least for a time, in the Republic of Ireland, with the wording chosen specifically to entitle anyone born on the island of Ireland to citizenship; it was meant, in the pre-] era when Ireland had almost no immigration, to allow Catholics (etc.) in Northern Ireland to claim citizenship of the republic if they so chose, and was (I believe?) amended later because a growing number of people were going to Ireland with the intention of getting free Irish (European) citizenship for their children. I can imagine EU member states not generally appreciating when other member states have such a policy, given the free-movement standards within Europe, and so there would be mutual pressure to change such policies where they exist. (That last sentence is pure speculation on my part, though.) ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Jimmy, Thanks for the responses but you are convincing me in the other direction. Just for context, I added the paragraph about the video as the first edit to the article in weeks. Next came a bunch of anons making "pending edits" and I approved the one replacing "nationalism" with "white nationalism". I definitely have mixed feelings on this. I was thinking of the from yesterday saying "President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you fully denounce white nationalism." This letter was mentioned in the Washington Post and other sources I do think that qualifies him as a "U.S. political figure ... associated with white nationalism." There are certainly other articles that make that connection , and on "the administration’s constant embrace of bigotry from white-supremacist and far-right groups." There is much more along these lines, especially after the Charlottesville murder last year.


== ==
:::I checked the OED definition
::::white nationalism
::::NOUN
::::mass noun
::::Advocacy of or support for the political interests of white people regarded as a nation, especially to the exclusion or detriment of others.
::::(example of usage)‘critics have accused him of stoking white nationalism, racism, and anti-Semitism during his tenure’
:::I doubt the OED made up that example today but it certainly fits Trump. The only 2 questions I have on whether this definition applies to Trumps is the part "white people regarded as a nation" (which I believe in American English means "ethnic group") and whether he is doing it intentionally. ]<sub>(])</sub> 20:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Trump is pushing for a redefinition of gender as being determined at birth by genes and immutable. This was the position in the last century - out of interest are there many countries which retain this view? ] (]) 08:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::::: How many countries are prone to stupid pointless wars and set up for a draft for "men" but not "women"? Just because someone seems silly doesn't mean he doesn't have a plan... ] (]) 11:39, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
*Hell is empty and all the devils are here.--] (]) 12:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:::"Birthright Citizenship" is not uncommon at all in the Americas, or countries with legal systems based on common law and a history of colonialism. Canada, Mexico, most of South America all have "Birthright citizenship". ] (]) 14:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::::True, but misleading without context. Countries that used to have birthright citizenship but don’t anymore include France, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, and the Dominican Republic. Ireland's decision is largely because of Man Levette Chen, a Chinese national who traveled to Northern Ireland so that her daughter would be born an Irish citizen. The UK Home Office rejected the application for citizenship, and the European Court of Justice overturned that decision. --] (]) 20:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


That doesn't sound good. From '']''. ] (]) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Regardless of what laws other countries have, the the campaign in the U.S. today to end birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants is led by FAIR, which the SPLC describes as an anti-immigrant hate group, and their allies. What's a common view in one country may not be in another. If Merkel came out against universal health care, she would be considered an extremist, yet that is the mainstream position in the U.S. Similarly, in the U.S., it would be considered extreme to turn state funded education and health care over to the Catholic Church as in Ireland or to advocate for monarchy as in Australia and New Zealand. ] (]) 20:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Do you have a source for the claim "the campaign in the U.S. today to end birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants is led by FAIR"? certainly FAIR lobbies for that, but "led by"? I would think that the ] would be a better "led by" target than the ] -- especially since CIS analyst Jon Feere joined the Immigration and Customs Enforcement of the Trump administration. --] (]) 22:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I said "and their allies." The CIS is also listed as an anti-immigrant hate group by the SPLC. The two are the best known groups on the list. ] (]) 21:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::France, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia still have a restricted version of jus soli though. For example for Australia "a person born in Australia acquires Australian citizenship by birth only if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident; or else after living the first ten years of their life in Australia, regardless of their parent's citizenship status". More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Jus_soli ] (]) 20:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:Trump is ]. And he unironically self-identified as a ]. So he is a "white nationalist." Check mate, WP debate club!!! ] (]) 20:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
::You should send that to Trump's speech-writers. They may be able to use it.
::Trump tweeted a ]-style video ad today. You can compare the Trump ad and the Willie Horton ad
:: today reported Trump saying “You know the word ‘racist’ is used about every Republican that’s winning,” he told Christian Broadcasting Network’s Jenna Browder en route to a campaign rally in Florida. “Anytime a Republican is leading, they take out the ‘R’ word, the ‘racist’ word. And I’m not anti-immigrant at all.”
::This reminds me of one of ]'s characters seeing a sign in a 1920s bar in Tijuana "'Only genuine, pre-war American whiskey served here'
::"I read the sign and counted the lies contained in that one sentence. I had reached five, with a promise of a sixth, when . . ." (approx.)
::]<sub>(])</sub> 01:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


:Being discussed at ]. ] (]) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:There is something too glib and altogether deaf in dismissing Trump's appeal as "white nationalism". Have a read of the ] article that has been linked from our In The News section for the past several days. To be sure, this article was great news, an amazingly good outcome to come out of Pakistan -- because the woman, after spending over a year in jail for daring to defend her belief in Christianity, was actually acquitted by their Supreme Court based on the non-agreement of the slanders against her. Then the court agreed that she wouldn't ''actually'' be released pending a "final review", and even if she was, she'd be banned from ever leaving the country ("because you have to get something to give something") which means she's sure to die anyway. Her lawyer has already fled Pakistan. The awesome three-delegate power of ] demands it; they have called for the Supreme Court judges to be killed, like ]'s elite bodyguard ] killed that governor for speaking up about her innocence. Our article says that 10 million Pakistanis have offered to kill Asia Bibi at the first opportunity.
::Thanks! ] (]) 11:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:While Americans find themselves un-hireable because a decade ago they said 140 characters of alleged racism/sexism/being strange on Twitter, the Silicon Valley companies and even the manufacturers making the flu vaccine you're taking are importing these workers from Pakistan on ]s to displace better paid Americans. The so-called "Muslim ban" (]) says nothing about Pakistan. In a situation like that, it is hard to make a case that Trump is some kind of extremist for whites; to the contrary, he is being vastly more lenient than most Americans would probably prefer if they thought about whether they want these people on their airplanes or in their country.
::Also discussed at ] and ]. ] (]) 19:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:That said, I still think this is a sideshow compared to the continuing and the gutting of Obamacare. In the end, the next crash, the wiping out of trillions of assets that have been looted by a few rich men and the subsequent mandatory taxpayer bailout of most of them, is going to affect the former middle class worse than any terrorists, no matter how brazen they become. ] (]) 23:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


Jimbo, could I ask you please to respond to from {{u|Tryptofish}}?
== About Flickr ==
:... it's not just if you've edited about Israel-Palestine. It could be if you've edited anything about climate and fossil fuels, gender, immigration, vaccines, and of course, American politics. I doubt that they have the bandwidth to actually identify and harass every editor who could possibly be seen as editing information that goes against a MAGA POV, but they will likely find some easily identified targets, whom they will use to "set an example", as a way of instilling fear in our editing community. I fully expect that, in the coming months, {{u|Jimbo Wales}} will be hauled before a hostile and performative Congressional hearing, much in the manner of university presidents. I hope very much that he will be better prepared than ] was.
:Yeah, I know this is grim. But I believe the first step in dealing with this is to go into it with our eyes open, to know what we are dealing with, what motivates it. And, more than harming individual editors, the real objective of Heritage ''et al.'' is to instill fear in the rest of us. If we become too fearful to revert POV edits, they win. In a very real sense, we have to keep doing what we have been doing, and continue to be a reliable resource for NPOV information. --] (]) 18:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
] (]) 05:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)


:Well, I fully agree that developments in terms of arguments and actions aimed at destroying trust in knowledge (and of course our specific interest, trust in Misplaced Pages) are extremely worrisome, particularly as I agree that for many who are doing it, the motive does appears to be the undermining of civic norms and democracy. I also agree with Tryptofish in a part that you didn't quote: "In a narrow sense, it's technically true that if you "out" yourself, there's no point in anyone else doing it. But once your identity is known, you become vulnerable to all of the kinds of real-life harassment that doxed people find themselves subjected to. It doesn't matter, in that regard, how they found out your identity." That's a sad balancing act that no Wikipedian should have to face.
Maybe the bot just took it away before you could respond. I don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=866850610#Flickr_is_about_to_die.
:As a side note, I don't think that the reliability of the Heritage Foundation as a source is particularly related to these despicable actions. Whether they should be considered a reliable source in some matters is really unrelated to whether they hate us or not.--] (]) 14:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::Suddenly ] going to court to get user-data seems like the model of gentlemanly behavior. ] (]) 11:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{tq|That's a sad balancing act that no Wikipedian should have to face.}} Unfortunately, the scales have been inexorably slipping out from beneath the foundation's abilities or willingness to protect its volunteers for my entire wiki-career. There's no balancing force at work. The private equity community has made gadflies out of what we used to label reliable local news media; Alphabet and Meta are actively coopting precision, privacy, and the public domain, while attempting to minimize the effectiveness of good faith actors like Internet Archive. Now suddenly en.wikipedians are facing the sort of personal threats long experienced by volunteers at ru.wiki and zh.wiki. The forces now arrayed against free information don't need to be actively coordinating in order to rapidly bring us to 2+2=5 territory. Any established editor could reasonably see Western culture has been under relentless attack for a long time. Here comes the Heritage Foundation's leaks, hot off Heritage's bangup release of Project 2025, leaking articles through partisan outlets apparently intended to make it appear (in one case) the ADL's recent reliability downgrade at RSNP was anyone else's fault but the ADL's own writings and actions. The news of such activity appears to threaten the community members directly and personally. ] (]) 13:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)


== ] ==
I think this is pretty important. As you do have an open door policy, a simple "ack" would go a long way, even if you think Wikimedia can't or shouldn't have a role in this. I'd just like to know you got the message. - ] 08:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


Hey Mr. Wales, there's a discussion on ] about what image should be used on your Misplaced Pages entry. Figured you may want to chime in with personal opinion about the recent freely-licensed images of you that are presented, as there hasn't been much engagement there at the time of my post. <span style="background: cornsilk; padding: 3px;border:.5px solid salmon;">]]</span> 21:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:The proposal is ''Free members with more than 1,000 photos or videos uploaded to Flickr have until Tuesday, January 8, 2019, to upgrade to Pro or download content over the limit. After January 8, 2019, members over the limit will no longer be able to upload new photos to Flickr. After February 5, 2019, free accounts that contain over 1,000 photos or videos will have content actively deleted -- starting from oldest to newest date uploaded -- to meet the new limit.'' I'm not sure if this counts as a major tragedy, given the large number of dubious quality and dubiously licensed images that have been imported from Flickr to Commons over the years and the time that has had to be spent on sorting it out. In practice, it would affect only free Flickr users who had uploaded more than 1000 images. Overall, it is best for CC images to be uploaded to Commons directly rather than taking a detour via Flickr.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


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I have found a widespread problem on Misplaced Pages that I think should be addressed. The official definition of the United States is obviously the fifty states and D.C., yet in the first sentence in the article on ], it says the country is also composed of its territories. The total population of the US is defined as the fifty states and D.C. There are also endless instances in US law and elsewhere of phrases similar to "the US and/or US territories" showing that the US and its territories are different. There is not one official US government definition including US territories as part of the country, it is only the 50 states and D.C. The much bigger problem is that it is not only in the ] article, it is in various other related articles, and there are articles of other countries, other countries' territories, and related articles throughout Misplaced Pages that have definitions and references that differ from the official definitions from the respective governments. There was a mediation discussion here https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation/United_States which resulted in the opinions of some participants overruling official definitions. But, as I said, I am posting here because the problem is much more widespread than just one popular article. ] (]) 17:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
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    "Looking down over a settlement with houses set amongst trees. The arm of a lake or harbour lies beyond, with a mountainous range on the far side. Photograph taken by Albert Percy Godber. Probably taken at Queenstown, Godber having visited Lake Wakatipu and Queenstown in 1926"

    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    "Phyllis Mary Godber wearing a Maori cloak, holding a taiaha, standing beside a collection of Maori carvings, including two fire-screens, carved by her father Albert Percy Godber

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    If Godber is not WP:NOTABLE, which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. Polygnotus (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
    user:Polygnotus is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? FloridaArmy (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    I dunno, but User:Sulfurboy wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. Polygnotus (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    "Godber family outside their house 'Railway Whare' at 23 Bay Street, Petone, circa 1906. From left to right: Albert Percy Godber, Mary Ann Godber, Laura Godber, Phyllis and William. Photograph taken by Albert Percy Godber"
    And this a request to revisit his finding. We have a photographer from more than 100 years ago who documented areas of New Zealand's North Island. We have his work in a National Library collection. We have his work discussed as iconic for one of his Maori related photographs. We have his work revisited in a 2018 exhibition. We have descriptions of him related to his photographs, his career, and we have the photos themselves documenting the areas industries, sites, infrastructure from more than 100 years ago. If I was satisfied with the previous conclusions I would not be here. So I ask again, should we have an entry on this subject? Should we just attribute his photos where we use them to an unlinked name with no explanation or discussion of who he was? I think the answer is clear, and I wanted to hear Jimbo's opinion. I am aware of what was previously stated. Years have passed and I believe it's time to reevaluate and consider. I also think it's worth reflecting on our article creations processes more generally and how we apply our conception of "notability". FloridaArmy (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Godber's photographs include "views of the Hutt Valley including large numbers of cars traveling to Trentham Racecourse, and the Hutt River. Another group of images relate to a holiday at the Mendip Hills Homestead in Canterbury, New Zealand with scenes of farm life, including haymaking, merino sheep, and farm buildings. During their stay in the South Island Godber also took photographs of Dunedin (including the Ross Reservoir, Otago Boys' High School, Seacliff Mental Hospital, the 1926 Dunedin Exhibition, and the Hillside Railway Workshops); Invercargill (including the Invercargill Railway Workshops); Stewart Island, Moeraki, Tuatapere, Waiau River, Oamaru and Port Chalmers. Various railway stations in Canterbury and Otago, the Burnside Iron Mills, and the Rosslyn Mills. Godber was a volunteer fireman with the Petone Fire Brigade with the album including views of the building, groups of firemen, fire engines and other fire fighting equipment, and a building in Petone damaged by fire. In his work with New Zealand Railways, mainly at the Petone Railway Workshops, he took interior photographs of various buildings, including the Machine Shop and finishing benches, the engine room, lathes, boilers, and fitting shops. He also took photographs of many of the steam engines that were built and worked on at the workshops. One scene shows a group of men watching a fight. Many images show his interest in logging railways, particularly in the Piha, Karekare, Anawhata area. Scenes of logging camps, various methods of transporting logs including bullock teams, logging trains, and dams created and then tripped to send logs down by river, and timber mills. Other topics covered in Godber's photographs are scenes at Maori marae and meeting houses, with some of the people identified; Maori carving and rafter designs; beekeeping, and gold mining." FloridaArmy (talk) 23:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    • It's hard to choose which photos to share. Historic views areas, industries, bridges, natural features, railways and bridges, crafts. Here's a link to his photos on Misplaced Pages Commons. Many already illustrate our entries on various subjects. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    If you really want to help him, get a couple stories published about him in newspapers. Notability here will follow. Carrite (talk) 01:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

    Just wanted to say

    You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you.
    It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the cabal of editors thriving community that is Misplaced Pages. I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Requests for comment/Severe Problems in hewiki

    For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Summary: This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Happy new year

    Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? -Lemonaka 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    Scoop: Heritage Foundation plans to ‘identify and target’ Misplaced Pages editors

    That doesn't sound good. From The Forward. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Being discussed at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Heritage Foundation intending to "identify and target" editors. CMD (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    Also discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_5/Evidence#Edit_request and Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Heritage_Foundation_planning_to_dox_Wikipedia_editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Jimbo, could I ask you please to respond to these concerns from Tryptofish?

    ... it's not just if you've edited about Israel-Palestine. It could be if you've edited anything about climate and fossil fuels, gender, immigration, vaccines, and of course, American politics. I doubt that they have the bandwidth to actually identify and harass every editor who could possibly be seen as editing information that goes against a MAGA POV, but they will likely find some easily identified targets, whom they will use to "set an example", as a way of instilling fear in our editing community. I fully expect that, in the coming months, Jimbo Wales will be hauled before a hostile and performative Congressional hearing, much in the manner of university presidents. I hope very much that he will be better prepared than Claudine Gay was.
    Yeah, I know this is grim. But I believe the first step in dealing with this is to go into it with our eyes open, to know what we are dealing with, what motivates it. And, more than harming individual editors, the real objective of Heritage et al. is to instill fear in the rest of us. If we become too fearful to revert POV edits, they win. In a very real sense, we have to keep doing what we have been doing, and continue to be a reliable resource for NPOV information. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

    Sita Bose (talk) 05:33, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

    Well, I fully agree that developments in terms of arguments and actions aimed at destroying trust in knowledge (and of course our specific interest, trust in Misplaced Pages) are extremely worrisome, particularly as I agree that for many who are doing it, the motive does appears to be the undermining of civic norms and democracy. I also agree with Tryptofish in a part that you didn't quote: "In a narrow sense, it's technically true that if you "out" yourself, there's no point in anyone else doing it. But once your identity is known, you become vulnerable to all of the kinds of real-life harassment that doxed people find themselves subjected to. It doesn't matter, in that regard, how they found out your identity." That's a sad balancing act that no Wikipedian should have to face.
    As a side note, I don't think that the reliability of the Heritage Foundation as a source is particularly related to these despicable actions. Whether they should be considered a reliable source in some matters is really unrelated to whether they hate us or not.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
    Suddenly ANI going to court to get user-data seems like the model of gentlemanly behavior. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
    That's a sad balancing act that no Wikipedian should have to face. Unfortunately, the scales have been inexorably slipping out from beneath the foundation's abilities or willingness to protect its volunteers for my entire wiki-career. There's no balancing force at work. The private equity community has made gadflies out of what we used to label reliable local news media; Alphabet and Meta are actively coopting precision, privacy, and the public domain, while attempting to minimize the effectiveness of good faith actors like Internet Archive. Now suddenly en.wikipedians are facing the sort of personal threats long experienced by volunteers at ru.wiki and zh.wiki. The forces now arrayed against free information don't need to be actively coordinating in order to rapidly bring us to 2+2=5 territory. Any established editor could reasonably see Western culture has been under relentless attack for a long time. Here comes the Heritage Foundation's leaks, hot off Heritage's bangup release of Project 2025, leaking articles through partisan outlets apparently intended to make it appear (in one case) the ADL's recent reliability downgrade at RSNP was anyone else's fault but the ADL's own writings and actions. The news of such activity appears to threaten the community members directly and personally. BusterD (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

    Talk:Jimmy_Wales#Newer_2024_image?

    Hey Mr. Wales, there's a discussion on Talk:Jimmy_Wales#Newer_2024_image? about what image should be used on your Misplaced Pages entry. Figured you may want to chime in with personal opinion about the recent freely-licensed images of you that are presented, as there hasn't been much engagement there at the time of my post. BarntToust 21:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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