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== Requested move 31 August 2018 == |
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a ]. No further edits should be made to this section. '' |
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The result of the move request was: '''moved''' to ] per discussion below. {{pnac}} <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em">]<u style="color:#bfa6d8"><small>whose username is </small></u>]</u> 09:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC) |
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] → ? – The title should be either ''']''' or '''{{-r|IZONE}}'''. The current title is a stylisation, as indicated in the article (also, the title in the lead is inconsistent with the page name), and it cannot stay. I propose the name to be ], as it fits the Misplaced Pages guidelines of avoiding capitals and standard English text formatting and capitalization practices]]. On the other hand, I saw sources (although none of them is considered reliable by ]) using "IZONE", eg. . ] (]) 20:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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* '''Support ]''' per nom (repeating to make it clear which title I support). ] (]) 20:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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::It should clearly be Izone per other examples and MOS:TMRULES (], ], ], ] etc. etc.), all those groups are using capitalized letters as official stylizations. ] (]) 21:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:::I still would prefer "Iz One", as in this case the name is pronounced as two English words "is one", not /iːzoʊn/. ] (]) 21:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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::::Didnt know that, I thought it was "I-zone"...Im not sure how it should be named then. ] (]) 21:21, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::I don't know if I'm correct—sorry if I mislead you. Pronunciation "is one" was in the article (somebody changed it now to "ahiz one"??) and it seemed to be supported by the stylisation: I thought the asterisk separates IS from ONE. ] (]) 21:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::Google Translate pronounces it as "aizou one" ] (]) 23:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:*'''Support''' The hangul is 아이즈원, "Aijeu Won"/"Aiz Won". If it's stylized as IZ*ONE and pronounced as "Iz One" then it really should be "Iz One". <span style="font-family: Trajan Pro;">]]</span> 03:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC) |
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:*'''Support''' for "Iz One" as per above. ] (]) 04:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC) |
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:*'''Support move''' to "Iz One" per above. "IZONE" isn't a feasible option per MOSCAPS et al. ''']''' ] 12:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC) |
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:*'''Support''' for "Iz One". The hangul is like "Eyez Won". They styled it as "IZ*ONE" to avoid confusion with "I-zone (Eye Zone)". ] (]) 05:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC) |
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* '''Pending''' Right now none of the press is using "IZ ONE" with the space in-between, so this may have to stay at IZONE until it's clear they are making that distinguishment. ] (] • ]) 19:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC) |
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:: Most sources are using either "IZ*ONE" or "IZONE". However, due to Misplaced Pages's policy, we cannot use either. Having a title like "Izone" is also misleading as readers may think it is read as "Eye-zone" / "i-Zone" when it is not, based on the article's title alone (hence the hatnote). Another alternative we could make is to have the title as "IzOne". ] (]) 07:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Support Iz One''': I keep reading the article title as ''eye zone'' which can only be a bad thing - definitely move to Iz One asap. ] (]) 10:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC) |
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==Korean romanization and pronunciation== |
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Can we get the Korean romanization for the group name listed instead of pronounced "aiz won". The Japanese romanization is Aizuwan but one of the editors did not want to retain that. I can't tell if it should be pronounced "is one", "eyes one", "eye zee one" ] (] • ]) 17:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC) |
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== A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion == |
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion: |
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* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: speedy | 2018-09-12T11:21:50.367839 | Izone.jpeg --> |
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You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —] (]) 11:21, 12 September 2018 (UTC) |
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== Title of article == |
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Per ], please leave the title to be Iz One. "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices" and "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." ] (] • ]) 16:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC) |
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: So if the group was pronounced "eye zee star one" then you can use IZ*One. If it were "eye zee one" then IZ One. But given it's neither of those then leave as is. ] (] • ]) 19:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC) |
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:: Generally in favor of these stylization guidelines, but what makes the exclamation point in ] different from the asterisk here? We have Billboard, the Telegraph and the Korea Times using "IZ*ONE"; I think this is worth reevaluating down the line. ]<span style="padding-left:0.3em;"> </span>(]+]) 18:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC) |
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::: Exclamation point could still be sounded out as emphasis, but the asterisk is not pronounced. Whether it's going to be consistently in the title going forward as with ] can be determined. ] (] • ]) 18:41, 2 November 2018 (UTC) |
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::: Maybe Iz*One could be used instead. All caps do not make sense as it is not an initialism/acronym, see ] and ]. ] (]) 18:56, 2 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: I support renaming to "Iz*One" cause the current title doesn't only fail ], but it is barely recognizable (see ]). It will be much more recognizable if it has an asterisk. --] (]) 23:02, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: '''Support''' as per {{u|Heolkpop}} and {{u|Moscow Connection}}'s statements. "Iz*One" is far more recognizable and is used in a lot of news articles. Also, it's not in capitals since it's not an acronym. ] (]) 18:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC) |
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== Nationality dispute == |
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An edit war over the group's origin stakes is taking place (the mirror is quite vivid, eh?)–it was previously assumed that "South Korean–Japanese girl group" is more than sufficient, seeing as how Iz One was conceived through a joint partnership between Mnet and Japan's AKB48 (as reiterated in the article). However, an editor made a valid claim that it was a sole Mnet production, thus rendering them "South Korean" as I can gather from their edit summaries. {{ping|Heolkpop}} brought on references that cite Billboard, The Korea Herald and The Korea Times for "South Korean-Japanese", the other user has not. Any input is appreciated, more so those familiar with Misplaced Pages policy. Currently, as the article omits both nationalities "girl group formed through Produce 48" is pretty neutral to me; this whole thing just reminds me of ]. ]<span style="padding-left:0.3em;"> </span>(]+]) 03:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:Just a suggestion: using sources from primarily Korean news outlets would be best to determine this, as international news outlets may not be as well informed. ] (]) 03:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:Japanese sources (even ones that have a partnership with Korean news outlets) call them a South Korean-Japanese girl group: |
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:# (from '']'', translated from ''WoW Korea'') |
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:# from {{Interlanguage link multi|''Nikkan Gendai''|ja|3=日刊ゲンダイ}} |
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:# (from ''Kstyle'') |
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:] (]) 03:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:: {{u|Lullabying}}: Korean English-language sources such as and use "South Korean-Japanese" for the group. ] (]) 04:49, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:::I think this is sufficient enough. {{u|Mkenny6}}, if you disagree, please list your sources. You being Korean is simply not enough. ] (]) 04:53, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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::::{{u|Mkenny6}}Hi! I just knew how to use it. As I left the reason of my change, the expression of “South Korean and Japanese girl group” is disputable like we’re discussing here, so I suggest to change like just a girl group as smooth expression. This is the best expression not to give people misleading. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> |
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:::::{{reply to|Mkenny6}} {{u|Heolkpop}} has provided reliable news sources that refer to the group as "South Korean-Japanese" specifically, and most of us are in consensus that it's appropriate to use. Your personal view/politics on the matter is not relevant (see ]). ] (]) 05:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::{{reply to|Lullabying}} Who are the most of you? Are you guys a kind of rulers something? And this is not my opinion and any political issue in there. You depends on just the news sources and how do you know it’s the absolutely reliable? Nowadays, there’s so many fake news. Do you agree the expression is disputable? You should because we’re discussing here! Why are you guys cling to the nations? Is this necessary to explain them? It’s enough to explain the members’ nationality. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> |
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:::::::{{reply to|Mkenny6}} If you would like to question the reliability of the sources linked, please discuss at ] and ], as this is not the page for it. |
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:::::::Please also sign off your comment with four tildes. ] (]) 05:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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Iz One is a joint project group by Korean Mnet and Japanese AKB48 Group. For example, ] is a collaboration between the Korean Starship Entertainment and the Chinese Yuehua Entertainment, hence it is known as the ''South Korean-Chinese'' group. So it makes more sense for Iz One to be known as ''South Korean-Japanese'' on top of the sources provided. ] (]) 07:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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{{u|Mkenny6}}: When one more than source is used as a reference (in this case, ''three'' sources are provided), it is obvious that these sources are used to fact check. There are many Korean and Western sources that use "South Korean-Japanese" so it is not disputable at all. I still do not understand what you are trying to achieve here. Firstly, you keep adding in "... 9 Korean members and 3 Japanese members". Then a few hours later, you changed to a different stance. Can you please be more consistent? ] (]) 07:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::::: Excuse me? Why do you think that this is the J-pop as well? This group was only originated from South Korean and absolute K-pop group. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: '''Sources for the current genres''': |
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:* "they're changing things up as a hybrid K-pop and J-pop venture" <ref name=":0">{{cite web|url=https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/8482221/korean-japanese-girl-group-izone-la-vie-en-rose|title=Korean-Japanese Girl Group IZ*ONE Releases First Single 'La Vie en Rose'|work=Billboard|date=October 29, 2018|accessdate=November 4, 2018}}</ref> |
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:* "The show featuring K-pop hopefuls and members of the J-pop idol franchise AKB"<ref>{{cite web|last=Yim|first=Hyun-su|url=http://kpopherald.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=201809021454014894073_2|title=Meet the 12 members of IZ*ONE as 'Produce 48' wraps up|website=Kpop Herald|publisher=Herald Corporation|accessdate=September 2, 2018}}</ref> |
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: ] ] 18:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC) |
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