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| == Global Banking & Markets == | |||
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| This section needs to be renamed and updated. GB&M has been restructured and downsized, and is now called Markets & International Banking. In essence, RBS is withdrawing from fullscale Investment Banking and Cash Equities, and is focusing henceforth on Fixed Income, FX, Money Markets and corporate Transaction Services. RBS has sold the Hoare Govett brokerage business to Jefferies. ] (]) 19:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == Political Donations - around the world == | |||
| ==Scottish Gaelic name== | |||
| The Australian Electoral Commission discloses Royal Bank of Scotland RBS Group (Australia) Pty Ltd as donating $90,140.00 to various Australian Federal and State Labor and Liberal parties during the FY2010-2011. | |||
| The Royal Bank does use the title "Banca Rioghail na h-Alba" in some capacities. It is possible to get Gaelic chequebooks using this name, and it also appears on some of their banks in the north west of Scotland. --] 16:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/Donor.aspx?SubmissionID=48&ClientID=22726 | |||
| : There is no offical Gaelic translation for the corporate name- it is used for marketing purposes in some areas of Scotland. And it is already mentioned in the intro. ] 22:04, :: 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry, the Gaelic name is used by the company. It is therefore official. They are a Scottish bank! And who are you to dismiss it is a marketing ploy? Seriously, why would you say that? '''] ('']'')''' 22:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Might be worth mentioning the Group's donations in the various areas in which it operates, especially given the large share of the parent company that's owned by the UK taxpayer? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :: It is only used in the Western Isles, the only place where anyone actually cares about the Gaelic language. It is not an offical name of the bank- and we don't add translations of every name in the English Misplaced Pages. This is an article about The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC- not the 5 branches of Royal Bank of Scotland plc branded as the Gaelic name. ] 23:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::: OK, so this is your argument? You seem rather bitter. But that aside, how do you get around the fact that RBS is a Scottish company and has an official Scottish Gaelic name in a country whose parliament has Scottish Gaelic as an official language? '''] ('']'')''' 23:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Two items of negative feedback came through on this article. "i wanted telephone contacts of the Bank" and "physical address". I tried to add this through the infobox but nothing came of this. I'm rather wary of adding these in the body of the article as it could start reading like an advert, any ideas? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:17, 1 September 2012 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :I don't think that either of these should be added having regard to ]. Just my opinion. ] (]) 18:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Hardly bitter- the article already states the practice of using a direct gaelic translation in those areas, which is appropiate. You are falsely implying there is a bilingual name- the Royal Bank of Scotland Group never use a name other the English name. ] 23:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: But that's not true; as MacRusgail can testify, they use a Gaelic name in Gaelic. That looks like there is a bilingual name to me. The small number of speakers of Gaelic should not be made to hide this just because you hate Gaelic. Regards, '''] ('']'')''' 23:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Canadian oil sands == | |||
| '''The Cree aboriginal group describe RBS as being complicit in "the biggest environmental crime on the planet''' | |||
| I thought I'd toss in some useful information I found reviewing another article, about BP. Somebody asked me for my opinion because I used to work in the Canadian and International oil industry and know a lot about oil companies. I used the standard "follow the money" technique to find out who funded these Canadian Indians who don't actually live near the oil sands to go to London and bad-mouth RBS and BP. It struck me as odd to pick on them because RBS doesn't have much to do with the oil sands and BP has sold off its oil properties in Canada more than once. They keep coming back like a bad rash every time they take over another company. | |||
| If there is no official translation, what are they using in their Gaelic chequebooks then? Or on at least several ATMs. I doubt you've ever seen any of these, so therefore they can't exist. | |||
| Guess who paid the fare? The Rockefeller Foundation! They funded the Stop The Tar Sands Movement and paid Indians from northern Canada to go to London to slander BP and RBS. Who would have thunk? Follow the money and you find the truth. In case you don't know American corporate history, the Rockefellers founded both ExxonMobil and Chase Manhattan Bank, which are direct competitors of BP and RBS. Less well known, the "Cree aboriginal group" is the Chipewyan tribe which are mostly Dene Indians (different from Cree), and Fort Chipewyan is about 200 miles from the oil sands. Clearly UK newspapers don't know much about Canadian geography and less about Canadian native ethnography. Not knowing about the abandoned and leaking uranium mines nearby in the Indian's "traditional territory" is more understandable given the nuclear secrecy of WWII and later. | |||
| "It is only used in the Western Isles, the only place where anyone actually cares about the Gaelic language." | |||
| The Canadian government has sent tax auditors to go over the books of the various groups downstream from Chase Manhattan in the money flow. It is possible some Canadian Indians may have failed to report some income from the Rockefellers. I don't know. If I knew, I would tell you. I have a problem shutting up about things I probably shouldn't talk about.] (]) 23:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| Wrong again. I have no connections to the Western Isles. In fact I linked to a picture which in Tiree which is in the Hebrides, but not "the Western Isles". Same goes for Skye. It also appears/used to in Partick. | |||
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| : Being Scottish myself and having visited the Western Isles, I do know that all banks use Gaelic in their marketing in this area. However the company, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC, does not have an offical Gaelic translation- and as Scotland is not bilingual, there is no need to pretend otherwise. ] 15:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: But Scotland is a bilingual country, and RBS does have an official Gaelic name. So what on earth are you talking about? '''] ('']'')''' 17:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::If you have visited the Outer Hebrides, then you should know better. Gaidhlig signage can be found in the Inner Hebrides, and parts of the mainland. Again, if there is "no official translation", what is the name on their cheque books? Scotland is bilingual, if not trilingual. And that's without mentioning various immigrant communities. Gaidhlig has status within law in Scotland, if you are not aware of that. --] 17:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Cheers. —]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 03:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Well in response: | |||
| * My RBS Cheque book has no Galeic | |||
| * The RBS branches in my area of Scotland have no Galeic marketing | |||
| * The Companies House Register of both the Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc and its subsidiaries (including Royal Bank of Scotland plc) have no Gaelic name registered | |||
| * The Royal Charter founding the bank has no Gaelic name | |||
| * The Subseuqent Acts of Parliament relating to the bank have no Galeic name | |||
| * There is no Gaelic name outside the Registered Head Office in St Andrew's Sq Edinburgh | |||
| ==Move discussion in progress== | |||
| - Thus the only Galeic usage is in those areas of Scotland where Galeic is used, for marketing purposes. ] 17:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::I've seen ''Banca Rioghail na h-Alba'' on banks and they weren't in the Hebridies outer or otherwise. A pal of mine even has a check book with it on it. Is the ''Banca Rioghail na h-Alba'' a different part of The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC? Perhaps only branches of the ''Royal Bank of Scotland'' have the Gaelic ''Banca Rioghail na h-Alba''. What the ''Group PLC'' bit is in Gaelic I don't know. Has anyone ever seen the whole of ''Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC'' in Gaelic or just the ''Royal Bank of Scotland'' bit? | |||
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| ::: From - "All the Scottish banks: Bank of Scotland; Royal Bank of Scotland; Clydesdale Bank are very happy to issue cheque books in Ga\idhlig. They regard it as a '''good form of publicity'''." ] 18:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :::: I've been forced to add a disputed tag- the Galeic POV pusher ] is continuing to insist there is an offical galeic name for the Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC without proving any evidence. I have noticed he has tried to insert Galeic in various other articles- such as the Kings of Scotland- before being defeated. Scottish Galeic is generally only inculded for place names and for articles associated with the language where an offical translation exists. It could also be used for bodies which actually use a Galeic name (eg ])- but can't be used for other organisation, even if they use Gaelic as a promotional tool in the Western Isles (which was already mentioned). ] 14:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: I'm not particularly pro-Gaelic, I'm just not anti-Gaelic like you. I think you're a little confused about the kings of Scotland, as they all have Gaelic names with very little to do with me. I moved some of the page titles of Scottish kings to de-anglicized names, which got voted down on grounds of wiki convention, but I didn't touch the texts. Everyone agrees it would be insane not to have the Gaelic names for Scottish kings somewhere in the text as most of these kings were Gaels themselves as were most of their subjects for most of the time. Anyways, you have already admitted RBS uses a Gaelic name, which means it has an official Gaelic name. You have no argument whatsoever except your hostility to Gaelic. BTW, I suggest you do yourself a favour and remove the inappropriate tag. '''] ('']'')''' 14:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::I suppose if no one can produce evidence for the use of Gaelic by ''The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC'' for the whole of the designation ''The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC'' it would certainly be indisputable to include ''Banca Rioghail na h-Alba'' alongside ''Royal Bank of Scotland '' in the ] section. Oh dear! That would mean no Gaelic at the top of the page. Perhaps not such a good idea after all. | |||
| ::::] 14:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 03:40, 29 November 2017 (UTC) | |||
| == Title Change == | |||
| The title of this page should probably be changed to: Natwest Group previously known as the Royal Bank of Scotland Group now that the bank has changed it's name. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :According to the website it is still . ] (]) 21:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::No longer, as per companies House registration. The title move should take place imminently to reflect current changes. ] (]) 15:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::Now moved. Best wishes. ] (]) 15:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Shouldn't the new title be "NatWest Group"? ] (]) 18:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Yes, it should but a redirect with that title needs deleting first. Best wishes. ] (]) 18:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Thanks for the reply, but I haven't done that before. Can you fix it, please? Best wishes. ] (]) 18:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I have tried to move it to NatWest Group but because the page has been moved around before an admin needs to delete it. I have listed it for speedy deletion. ] (]) 18:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::All sorted - thanks to ]. Best wishes. ] (]) 19:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Global Banking & Markets
This section needs to be renamed and updated. GB&M has been restructured and downsized, and is now called Markets & International Banking. In essence, RBS is withdrawing from fullscale Investment Banking and Cash Equities, and is focusing henceforth on Fixed Income, FX, Money Markets and corporate Transaction Services. RBS has sold the Hoare Govett brokerage business to Jefferies. Mat Teja (talk) 19:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Political Donations - around the world
The Australian Electoral Commission discloses Royal Bank of Scotland RBS Group (Australia) Pty Ltd as donating $90,140.00 to various Australian Federal and State Labor and Liberal parties during the FY2010-2011.
http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/Donor.aspx?SubmissionID=48&ClientID=22726
Might be worth mentioning the Group's donations in the various areas in which it operates, especially given the large share of the parent company that's owned by the UK taxpayer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.210.187 (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Address and Telephone number
Two items of negative feedback came through on this article. "i wanted telephone contacts of the Bank" and "physical address". I tried to add this through the infobox but nothing came of this. I'm rather wary of adding these in the body of the article as it could start reading like an advert, any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JASpencer (talk • contribs) 07:17, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think that either of these should be added having regard to WP:NOTADIRECTORY. Just my opinion. Dormskirk (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Canadian oil sands
The Cree aboriginal group describe RBS as being complicit in "the biggest environmental crime on the planet
I thought I'd toss in some useful information I found reviewing another article, about BP. Somebody asked me for my opinion because I used to work in the Canadian and International oil industry and know a lot about oil companies. I used the standard "follow the money" technique to find out who funded these Canadian Indians who don't actually live near the oil sands to go to London and bad-mouth RBS and BP. It struck me as odd to pick on them because RBS doesn't have much to do with the oil sands and BP has sold off its oil properties in Canada more than once. They keep coming back like a bad rash every time they take over another company.
Guess who paid the fare? The Rockefeller Foundation! They funded the Stop The Tar Sands Movement and paid Indians from northern Canada to go to London to slander BP and RBS. Who would have thunk? Follow the money and you find the truth. In case you don't know American corporate history, the Rockefellers founded both ExxonMobil and Chase Manhattan Bank, which are direct competitors of BP and RBS. Less well known, the "Cree aboriginal group" is the Chipewyan tribe which are mostly Dene Indians (different from Cree), and Fort Chipewyan is about 200 miles from the oil sands. Clearly UK newspapers don't know much about Canadian geography and less about Canadian native ethnography. Not knowing about the abandoned and leaking uranium mines nearby in the Indian's "traditional territory" is more understandable given the nuclear secrecy of WWII and later.
The Canadian government has sent tax auditors to go over the books of the various groups downstream from Chase Manhattan in the money flow. It is possible some Canadian Indians may have failed to report some income from the Rockefellers. I don't know. If I knew, I would tell you. I have a problem shutting up about things I probably shouldn't talk about.RockyMtnGuy (talk) 23:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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Title Change
The title of this page should probably be changed to: Natwest Group previously known as the Royal Bank of Scotland Group now that the bank has changed it's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DolphinSassoon (talk • contribs) 21:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- According to the website it is still Royal Bank of Scotland. Dormskirk (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
- No longer, as per companies House registration. The title move should take place imminently to reflect current changes. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Now moved. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the new title be "NatWest Group"? Blurryman (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it should but a redirect with that title needs deleting first. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 18:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, but I haven't done that before. Can you fix it, please? Best wishes. Blurryman (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have tried to move it to NatWest Group but because the page has been moved around before an admin needs to delete it. I have listed it for speedy deletion. Dormskirk (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- All sorted - thanks to User:Atlantic306. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
"Mint (credit cards)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Farage debacle
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=NatWest_Group&diff=1166122455&oldid=1156343870 can someone sort this out please. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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