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'''''Rules of my talk page:'''''
== OWN and COI ==


1. The Dude does not abide people using his talk page and also refusing to talk to The Dude if specifically addressed, such as through a ping. If this persists, your edits will be removed as being intentionally unproductive towards the purpose of this talk page.
This is intended as no more than a friendly word of advice. When it comes to the ] and ], it's important to keep in mind ] and ], which both come strongly into play here. Replying to every commenter on the AFD isn't helpful- especially if it leads to ]. Certainly the COI issue makes things cloudy- if not for you, for other editors who are trying to evaluate the importance of the article. ] (]) 07:45, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
: I understand OWN and COI. It may look like I have a personal interest in the Oregon High Desert Grotto, because I do, but I would say it's more accurate to say that I have a devoted interest in caving of which the Oregon High Desert Grotto is apart of. With the advent of Karst Information Portal (.org), newsletters from most grottos and other worldwide caving publications will become available to the whole world wide web, and they will probably be referenced on Misplaced Pages.

:The whole thing that got me rolling on the grotto page, is that it was deleted before I had a chance to defend it. To that I admit, I got a little defensive and personal. But I understand the arguments for deletion, and I'm not taking that personally in and of itself. Only because it was "speedy deleted" without giving me a chance to properly respond. That matter, I think, was not given fair enough attention. Now, I believe it is being given enough attention, and no matter what the result, I will stand by the results, and will seek to get the significant references needed to get a proper Oregon High Desert Grotto page up and running at a later date.] (]) 22:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


== DYK for Redmond Caves == == DYK for Redmond Caves ==



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== Help adding pics? ==
Hey Orygun, I have been trying to add a pic to the ] page forever. For that matter, I've tried adding pics on other pages with no success. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. It usually gets taken down for a variety of reasons. I come to you, because I noted you added a pic to ] when I was working on it a while back. I see where you obtained the photos from, but what I don't understand is how those photos are legit to use and the ones I want to use aren't. So confused. Misplaced Pages does not educate very well on the matter. It's all confusing and convoluted. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated! ] (]) 05:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Photos I uploaded for Redmond Caves article were taken by BLM, a Federal Government agency. With very few exceptions, images produced by or for U.S. Federal Government are in Public Domain. That means you can use them w/o any restrictions. Only a few states release their images into Public Domain or make them available with licenses that meet very strict Misplaced Pages standards—and unfortunately, Oregon isn’t one of them. Misplaced Pages has high standards for image upload so Misplaced Pages images are available for unrestricted re-use. Images that have copyright restrictions make re-use difficult w/o violating someone's copyright so Misplaced Pages doesn’t allow them. In addition to Public Domain, there are two other copyright categories that Misplaced Pages will accept for image uploads. Can find examples of both on . They are “Attibution” only (which allows you to use image anyway you want as long as you cite original author/designer/photographer as source) and “Share Alike” used in conjunction with "Attribution" (which allows you to use image as long as you cite original author/photographer as source, but has some restriction on derivative works—basically requiring you to cite original author/designer/photographer as source for image that derivative work is based on). These are first and last sections on Flickr Creative Common web-page. Standard logo for “Attribution” only is “man” inside circle and standard “Share Alike” logo is counter-clockwise arrow like reverse “C” inside circle. Anything in these two Flickr Creative Commons sections or any other source marked ONLY with these two restrictions are good for Misplaced Pages uploads. If there are any other logos added to these two, image can’t be used in Misplaced Pages. Finally, there is one more very restricted category called Fair Use. However, Fair Use is pretty much restricted to dead people based on fact that no new photo can ever be obtained. In Misplaced Pages, Fair Use photo can only be used in specific article about subject of photo, and only if no other image can ever be obtained. Also, Fair Use photo can not be used in any other article (e.g. photo of deceased lawyer John Doe could be used in bio article about John Doe the man, but not in article about lawyers even if Doe was world's most famous lawyer). As you’ve obviously found out Wiki picture police are very active in enforcing rules protecting copyrights. Often hardest part of preparing articles is finding Wiki-able images. As result, I look very hard for images from Federal Government sources or use two Flickr sections discussed above. When one of my own photos meets the need, I upload it and release under one of these three Wiki-able licenses (usually "Attribution"). Bottomline—image upload rules are very restrictive so finding Wiki-able photo can be tough. Hope this helps!--] (]) 02:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== SoCal Grotto page ==
Thanks for the info. I used your grotto page as a rough guide. I'll be ading some additional info about international caving in the next couple of days.] (]) 00:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
: Oh great! Has the SoCal Grotto been featured in any GIS publications because of Bern Szukalski? Those would be great pubs to have as references. Of course any international reference you can get is good too. I'm betting that the NSS News won't be a legit source, because the grotto is affiliated with it. It probably needs to be an outside source. Any source if fine to credit material on the page, but to keep the page from being deleted you will definitely need those outside sources! good luck ] (]) 03:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


== Conflict of Interest == == Conflict of Interest ==
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:Thanks for drawing this to my attention. I will direct you to my response at ] for further details. I will address a couple things since you tend to be vague at times. Could you specifically pinpoint the conflict of interest involving exclusivity? And how did you come to this conclusion, for I'm truly at a loss. By the way... you mention "systems" meaning plural. I believe my book is on just one system. So I do not know what other systems you are referring about in regards to my book. ] (]) 06:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC) :Thanks for drawing this to my attention. I will direct you to my response at ] for further details. I will address a couple things since you tend to be vague at times. Could you specifically pinpoint the conflict of interest involving exclusivity? And how did you come to this conclusion, for I'm truly at a loss. By the way... you mention "systems" meaning plural. I believe my book is on just one system. So I do not know what other systems you are referring about in regards to my book. ] (]) 06:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


== Pressure ridges == == quote ==


"Science, though we love it, is still a narrow field for encyclopedic purposes and not the goal of Misplaced Pages articles." I had been looking for someone to state that point blank, do you mind if I quote you? ] 05:25, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello Leitmotiv, you removed the pressure ridges picture I added from the article. I am confused, as this feature was clearly labeled by the National Park Service on an infopanel. And the example images at the visitors center clearly showed similar ''ridges''. The thing on the image currently in the article was called something else. I'll have to look it up on my photos back home. --] 18:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, the picture you added is not a good example. There ''might'' be pressure ridges in that picture, but the picture is so far zoomed out you can't tell what's going on. But to my trained eye, it looks more like a pressure plateau. If you checked my notations you will see that I said exactly this. To reiterate, the picture is a pressure plateau, zoomed out (makes a poor example to educate), and overall doesn't help the page. The original picture '''is''' a pressure ridge (AKA Tumuli/Tumulus as the page currently defines). A small one, but it clearly illustrates what one is. The picture you added does not. ] (]) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC) :{{u|cygnis insignis}} I did say that didn't I? Sure you can use it, but I don't mean to say that science is bad. Just that for encyclopedic purposes, science jargon will go over the layman's head. Misplaced Pages is to educate people at their level, not a scientist's. Where do you plan on using it? And where did I use it? ] (]) 05:59, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:: it is an unspoken position that you have merely concretised. Nothing in the statement says that science is bad, ''per se''. The common made in response to a perplexed user during a discussion at ]. I'm writing up an essay or RfC, haven't decided, that opens up discussion of … well I'm not going to say exactly what, lest you think I'm implicating you. All you have done is stated unspoken assumptions that I think have confounded articles about animals, if you find it astonishing to re-read 5 months later that is all the better. If you want to be left out of the meta review I'm doing, I'm happy to comply. ] 06:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
::Listen, I did not come her for a confrontation, but merely to clear this up. Of course i read your edit summary. I'm not an expert in this issue and got my info from the visit to the National Monument last weekend. The way it was presented there it seemed to me that pressure ridges are a feature of a lava flow, so an overview picture of a lava flow with a visible ridge pattern seemed like a good addition to the article, especially since the existing picture is a very tight close up. --] 19:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
:::{{u|cygnis insignis}} Sure you can use it, I don't mind being in the meta. But context is everything! Glad someone finally recognized a quote of mine as worthy. Maybe it means I'm just barely readable now. hahah ] (]) 07:02, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't know what tone you are reading into my post. Coming here and posting is by definition a confrontation. Semantics, I know. Assume good faith. Again, I am trying to help you clear it up. For the reasons I posted above by importance. 1 - The picture is not of a ridge but a pressure plateau. 2 - Poor quality photo because even zoomed out the details are not clear. I have no problem adding a zoomed out pressure ridge photo, but this is not one, and this one doesn't clearly depict the object of interest. The mountain in the background could be mistaken in some cases, I'm willing to bet.
::::The idea "educate people at their level, not a scientist's" or some similarly expressed sentiment is a recurring theme in discussions. Is the current 'level' of jargon in the article appropriate? ] 07:58, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure if I am the best person to rate an article in that regard. My general opinion of any article is that it should start out as simple as possible in the lede, and as it's fleshed out, can become slowly more complicated while trying to simplify the language and educating with new language at the same time. Generally, more jargon-esque language, more scientific nuance, should be reserved for the end of subsections, or the article as a whole. But that's just my opinion, and it may not be fully informed. Astronomy articles such as ] often suffer from too much science at the beginning of the article. I've worked on simplifying Planet Nine's lede to simplify it for the layman, leaving the remaining body of the article to get progressively more in depth should the reader choose to learn more. I try to employ the KISS acronym. ] (]) 18:28, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::: a reasonable position and I'm happy to discuss how that might apply. The title Planet nine is arguably jargon, and it may be interesting to stretch that to an analogy; I imagine our theoretical 'layman' is going to think the ninth plant is Pluto and any other interpretation is 'scientific nuance'. ] 03:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


== Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion ==
:::The Monument may have this labeled as a ridge, but it's not. There may be a few isolated ridges ''somewhere'' in the photo, but it doesn't clearly depict them. Too much going on in the photo and too zoomed out. For Misplaced Pages purposes, this photo is not good enough on many levels.
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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at ] regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on ]. <!--Template:An3-notice--> Thank you. ]] 21:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
:You've been '''warned''' for edit warring per . You may be blocked the next time you <s>re-add</s> <u>remove</u> the word 'underground' unless you have obtained a previous consensus on the talk page. A consensus requires that some number of editors express agreement with your change. Thank you, ] (]) 16:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
:: {{u|EdJohnston}} Seems like you got your facts wrong. I'm not adding the word underground and never have. I'm deleting it because it is redundant. Also your warning is a little vague... Am I disallowed from doing it anywhere, or just a certain page? Also this seems to be against ], so what is your response to that? ] (]) 18:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply; I got the warning backwards. I've changed my sentence above. The warning applies only to the ] article. Notice that ] is a guideline, while ] is a ''policy''. A policy takes precedence. The warning will be a success if it persuades you to get the agreement of others. ] (]) 21:34, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
::::{{u|EdJohnston}} Oh I agree... getting people to enforce a warning/ban is much easier than getting them to actually discuss the subject matter at hand however. Most people would use it as a chance to not do the very they they are arguing for - a discussion. The irony is not lost on me. The only thing I don't like about this whole ordeal is conflating my old edits with my new ones. I didn't just pick up the old mantle, I found new evidence that specifically addressed the concern of an editor brought in as a third opinion. No one has been able to address this, except for me. And here we are with no one discussing it.


:::Side note - You mentioned pressure ridges are "a feature of a lava flow." In many, many cases, yes. But that's not necessarily true. ] (]) 19:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC) ::::One question for you. If people are actively avoiding discussing it and enough time has passed, at what point can I reedit it for lack of participation and no consensus? ] (]) 21:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::No particular person is required to discuss, but people can be blocked for continuing to revert. You could also create a ] on the talk page. An RfC can be closed by an uninvolved party. After that happens, the result of the RfC is binding on everyone, even on those who did not participate. You would have to decide whether the single word 'underground' is so important that you want to go through the full process, which could take as long as thirty days though it is usually quicker. ] (]) 22:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::I understand. The issue is that I may bring it up, because I edit all redundancies of "underground cave" I find, so it would set a framework for other articles. I've never met so much nonsensical resistance before, to such a simple edit that is common sense. Thank you for your responses. ] (]) 22:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


*Leitmotiv, in spite of the prior warnings to get consensus, you have from articles. In the ] article you have been warring against ]. I don't see you trying to get any agreement on talk pages to support this change. ] show you have removed the word 'underground' more than a dozen times in the last two days. Can you explain why you shouldn't be blocked for continuation of the edit war? ] (]) 02:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
::::Hm, I went to the source material of citation #1. All I get from that is that the picture in the article shows a cracked tumulus rather than a ridge (no elongated structure visible). My picture does depict pressure ridges. The pressure plateau description in the source does not mention the ridge structures visible in my picture. I would think that the info the NPS gives is a pretty solid source. But at this point I think the best option id to go for a 3rd opinion. Cheers --] 19:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
::{{u|EdJohnston}} Czar gave insincere info suggesting there was a cave above ground in the game by saying: "moving vertically is one of the defining aspects of the game, so worth accentuating the difference" - but there is no difference. There is no above ground cave in the game as supplied by my evidence. In my opinion, his revert was terribly insincere. If you click on my evidence in my edit link, you will see that the entire cave, the singular cave, is below the house. Czar started off his revert as arguing for the need to distinguish the difference in the Underwurlde article and my link suggests there is none, since the entirety of the cave is below a baseline. Now he is arguing semantics with me, rather than the need for the article itself requiring a specific need for distinguishing the difference. I honestly was hoping that when I went looking for evidence of the type of cave/s in the game that I would indeed find a cave in the sky, above ground if you will. But I found none. If I had, I would have moved along.


::To why I shouldn't be banned: So I did originally revert when I saw evidence that contradicted his blind revert. I have not reverted on top of that. I'm not looking to push right up against 3RR and I am currently discussing all my edits on a case by case basis as you can see here: ], '''if''' they are contested. You remark that I haven't discussed it on Underwurlde is extremely premature since in my opinion, I haven't had the chance yet after supplying the evidence I felt was needed to back up my edit. I most definitely '''would''' have taken it to the talk page after Czar's recent revert and no I would not have instantly reverted - and this would have happened even if you hadn't posted just now, but rather, it would have come from my experience with my previous edits at Pikmin 2.
:::::The words "tumulus" and "pressure ridge" are interchangeable. They mean the same thing. "You say potato..." I can add another reference that defines pressure plateaus if need be. But I don't think that's necessary currently. Picture it this way. A ridge is long and elongated in most cases. A plateau is much like it says, large and oblong... like a table. What is in that picture is a pressure plateau because it has an amorphous shape and the scale of it is huge. While government sources can be good, that doesn't mean they're always correct. Especially if it's regarding tourist information which is notoriously erroneous and incomplete for brevity's sake.


::Concerning disruptive edits - I think that's also an exaggeration. You can see that I've edited probably around a two to three hundred articles with redundancies to this effect with only 3 being disputed: Pikmin 2, List of Show Caves in Germany, and Underwurlde. One of those was resolved in my favor. Please don't cherrypick Underwurlde while overlooking List of Show Caves in Germany. I feel Underwurlde could be resolved in my favor too, but if it reaches a conclusion like that in Pikmin 2, I don't intend on "having it my way", but will move on. So definitely some hyperbole by stating 3 contested edits (1 in my favor) out of a couple hundred is disruptive. I'm just being WP:BOLD and handling each disputed case in the talk pages. I have no intention of blind reverting, but I ''may'' revert if the reasoning isn't sound ''and'' I have evidence to back up my claim, like I did at Underwurlde. I may just avoid video game pages altogether if each one is irrationally contested as Pikmin 2 was. I may have "disrupted" two pages, but I also got thanked for my edits too. My intention going forward is to be be bold, but I'm not looking to start a fight. I like arguing the details of my edits, and I shouldn't be punished for that, because you should realize that there is a world where the word "arguing" doesn't have a negative connotation. ] (]) 03:50, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::According to Chitwood in that reference, a "cracked tumulus" is a kind of "pressure ridge." So it's inclusive. In your photo you mentioned seeing ridges. I'm not sure how, because it's so zoomed out I can't be sure if that's what I'm really seeing. I see a large amorphous shape which to me clearly says plateau. ] (]) 19:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
::: Reverting a revert is edit warring, not being bold. You've been around long enough to know how ] works. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">]</span> 06:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:::: In that case, you're guilty too. I wasn't intentionally edit warring. I may be breaking a rule, but I'm not intentionally breaking a rule, nor intentionally edit warring. I don't spend my time on admin boards, nor arguing about the inner machinations of wikipedia, I just try to edit wikipedia to improve it. I'm literally looking at your original revert as being insincere. From my perspective, I posted the image link to show you where I was coming from because I saw a cave entirely underground, with no "vertical" relief above ground as your edit claimed. That's fine we disagree. I wasn't trying to revert for revert's sake, as evident in my previous post to EdJohnston. ] (]) 06:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::A word of advice, if you were already warned to stop edit warring, saying 'but they did it too' or 'I didn't know' rarely helps. Especially when you are edit warring in multiple different articles against multiple different people over highly related issues. ] (]) 14:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::Just pointing out that it takes two to tango. Multiple, in this case, is 2. ] (]) 18:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


== ] moved to draftspace ==
== OHDG ==


An article you recently created, ], is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from ], ]. <small>(])</small> Information that can't be referenced should be removed (] is of ] on Misplaced Pages). I've moved your draft to ] (with a prefix of "<code>Draft:</code>" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Misplaced Pages's ] and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
*Just added info box to ] article. May want to do quick fact check to ensure info is correct.--] (]) 06:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
**Thanks a bunch. The photo is of U of O students in Redmond Caves doing an archaeological survey. I suppose we could upload a photo of the OHDG to the wikicommons at some point... Good work on the Derrick Cave page. ] (]) 06:41, 5 October 2013 (UTC) :{{ping|onel5969}} I don't understand. It had three reliable and independent sources. What I also find odd, is that I was never notified of an AfD and the article was quickly rushed without my input as creator. Thanks for that, I suppose. ] (]) 17:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
::*FYI...have also added section on "Exploration" to OHDG article.--] (]) 23:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC) :{{ping|onel5969}} I know there wasn't a question mark in my statement, but there was an inherent question in my ping to you. ] (]) 05:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Leitmotiv}}, not sure what your question is. But if it's in regards to the refs, there is currently a single in-depth ref from a reliable source. The others are a press release (neither independent or reliable), and a brief blurb from a non-reliable source. Hope this helps. ] <sup>]</sup> 12:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


== Lava stringer == == Wing Commander CCG ==


] was redirected back in 2006 from , and grew a little on the franchise page but no sources have been added to that section. I did find a for it though. ] (]) 20:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi! The stub article you created, ], is not a usual geological word or concept. In geology, a ''stringer'' is "". I don't have access to your source, but I suspect they're using some very narrow, specialized definition, or it's an error of some type. I'll probably ] the article, but I wanted to ask you first in case there really is something substantial that I've missed. — ] (]) 01:03, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|BOZ}} Hey Boz! I'm not sure what you need from me. ] (]) 03:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
: I didn't see a question in your comment. Not sure what the justification for deletion is. The source provided is a federal government document by the BLM. Lava stringer is accurate and it just may share a word with other geologic terms. It's a feature that excited me when I discovered it. I have a friend who will be uploading a picture of one to the wiki commons so we can use it in the article. What is your question? ] (]) 01:23, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
::Just wondering if you had any sources to help that grow, potentially so that it could be split back out if there are enough. ] (]) 19:33, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
:: I came across the article because I do a lot of category work for WP Geology, and since ] should have only a few overview articles in it, I wanted to recategorize ]. I started researching it so I could choose a good category. But I got very few results from my web search, geological or otherwise. Is it a commonly used term in another field, such as management ecology? Maybe there is a more common term? As a geologist, the definition doesn't make sense to me: "lava" refers to molten rock or the hardened features formed when it was molten. If the term is from another field, you need to choose a different category.— ] (]) 01:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
::: Feel free to recategorize it. I too had a difficult time finding info on this feature which is why I was excited to find this document. As for the term "lava", it is common to hear basalt casually referred to as lava rock, which may be partially responsible for the moniker we discuss now; it too is usually made of basalt talus. ] (]) 02:13, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
:::: I'll remove the "geology" category, but can't replace it with anything; sorry! And you're right about "lava rock"--I'd forgotten about that. I'll be interested to watch the article develop, and am looking forward to the picture. Cheers! — ] (]) 02:34, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


I have been working on ] for almost two months, and CCGs are a minority of what I have found so far (I am not done), but there were still quite a few, but if any of these pop out to you as potentially salvageable let me know and I will get them restored for you to work on:
==Cinder cone==
*] () - 2003 game based on the anime franchise
What does this Newberry Volcano paragraph mean then?
*] ] - book about ]
*"A great deal of volcanic activity has occurred at Newberry Volcano, which itself has one of the largest collections of cinder cones, volcanic domes, lava flows, and fissures in the world. Most of the cinder cones are 200 to 400 feet (60 to 120 m) high and have shallow saucer-shaped summit craters. They are typically surrounded by basalt or andesite that erupted from their bases forming large lava beds. The northern flank holds three distinct lava tube systems that formed in pāhoehoe: the Horse Lava Tube System, Arnold Lava Tube System, and the Lava Top Butte basalt. On the northwest flank of the volcano and located next to Highway 97 south of Bend, Lava Butte is a good example of this kind of cinder cone and an ʻaʻā lava bed. There are also about 20 rhyolite domes or fissures on the eastern, southern, and western flanks. Larger examples include 580,000-year-old McKay Butte on the west flank, 80,000-year-old China Hat and 850,000-year-old East Butte on the far eastern base."
*] () - 2005 game based on the anime
Thanks ] (]) 20:25, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
*] ] - book about ]
:The flanks of Newberry Volcano are long and wide and include many related but independent volcanic vents with their own names, such as ]. Newberry Volcano is '''specifically''' one of the world's largest shield volcanoes and not a small cinder cone. ] (]) 20:30, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
*] ] () - based on ]
::Nothing I did said it was a cinder cone volcano. Categories are to help navigation by readers. In this case, the cinder cone category navigates to this article that discusses cinder cones around this shield volcano--most of which lack names or articles, a fact that does not matter to navigation. ] (]) 20:44, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
*] () - 2005 game based on the anime
:::But everything you did is categorizing this as a cinder cone. Not every cinder cone is worthy of a wikipedia article. ] (]) 20:46, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
*] () - 2004 game based on the anime
::::I categorized the article because of its significant mention of cinder cones; that is all. It does have such mention and should be categorized as such to reader navigation to the article for that reason. Categories are often not an exact match; they are just a navigation help. ] (]) 21:04, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
*] () - 2007 game based on the video game series
:::::Are you sure? The categories help page says categories are for similar items. So all shield volcanoes should be '''similarly''' categorized. ] (]) 21:09, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
*] ] - book about ]
*] () - 2006 game about the anime
*] ] () based on the candy
*] ] - CCG based on the RPG
*] () - 2005 game based on Sonic the Hedgehog
*] () - guide to the ]
*] () - 2005 game based on the film
*] ] () - 2005 game based on the manga
] (]) 10:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
:If you'd like a chance to work on any of those, let me know and I will move them to draft space for you. ] (]) 01:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
::I created the RIFTS CCG page and there was consensus to merge it with the RIFTS rpg article. I'm a little apprehensive about working on any of them because of that. Zatch Bell, as you know, I don't have any refs for that in book form. And anything I do have in book form, you do as well. Right now, I'm in final week with my Math class and when this term finishes I'm going to devote most of my time to a couple projects that need to be completed before the end of September. ] (]) 02:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


==Barnstar== == Archiving ==
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== Scrye ==
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Can you provide evidence that Scrye run a proper article on this game? I know it had some, I read it back in the day too, but you forgot to properly attribute it. As such, we can't be sure there was an article and not just a price list.
For useful comments and contributions at the Malheur Occupation talk page. ] (]) 06:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Second, please note that SIGCOV does require multiple (mimimum two) sources that meet ]. We are tightening our standards these days, we are even creating ] (and you are welcome to participate), but that also means we are getting rid of the occasional article that doesn't meet the project-wide standards. Of course, it's always better to rescue content than to delete it, hence my question if you can identify two SIGCOV-meeting sources and properly reference them for this article. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 13:44, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Piotrus}} It appears there are two sources on the topic. Albeit, one is a primary source used to flesh out the article, however per ] it appears suitable. Be sure you're not confusing Scrye magazine with the Scrye guide. Here's a . There are two other brief mentions in the guidebook that show a release date and the other a color photo in the glossary depicting the front and back of the card with some other minor information. Also you mentioned it requires two sources per ], but I see no such requirement on that page. Specifically, it does state "In the absence of multiple sources, it must be possible to verify that the source reflects a neutral point of view, is credible and provides sufficient detail for a comprehensive article." ] (]) 14:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
::Ha-hum. I'll ping ], who added the notability tag, for their opinion. So far I am seeing one borderline source (from the screen grab, thanks), and I think that's not enough. PS. From GNG: ""Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 14:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Piotrus}} I edited my previous comment above a few times, make sure you check it out. I'm a little concerned that you are moving the goal posts. You cite some things that appear to be untrue (]) and as I mentioned on your log page ] has been discussed at length on the Echelons of Fury discussion I linked. "Generally" allows for exceptions. As noted in the notability guidelines, sources should not be trivial. I'd argue Scrye is not trivial. A brief mention in passing is trivial, but an article devoted to it, is not. ] (]) 14:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
It seems relevant to repost what I posted on Piotrus' prod log page:
Hello again! I've done a series of articles on CCG games. Two articles in particular are very similar to your claim that they "barely support ": ] and ]. There was a about it here claiming the price guide was not notable, but that proved not to be the case. I understand that most price guides and catalogs do fall under this category and would normally agree with you, but the Scrye guide is ''exceptional'' in that it has more than a mere mention in a passing sentence (a dedicated article by Richard Weld, as you requested), but three full paragraphs devoted to its description. You'll note that one user that voted on whether to keep or delete the article mentions "I just saw the full title and forgot Scrye had actual articles." So, before you go digging into the other articles I created using the Scrye guide, you should note that Scrye passes ], ], and ]. If you won't take my word for it, the other commenter's word for it, then check out this that stated "Quite useful listing of collectables with some '''information''' besides being just a list of CCGs" (emphasis mine). The review is now deleted, but at the time of review, was documented in that AfD discussion. Based on my outline above, I will delete the template for AfD. ] (]) 15:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Piotrus}} Even if it's an RS, we have just one borderline source that might just pass SIGCOV, in your opinion it's RS, if I'm ] on the ref, we have 1 ref meeting ]. That isn't enough, sadly. ] says "multiple", which is ''generally'' 2+, although ''generally'' could also imply that 3 refs might be needed, see ] (I know this is an essay, but I've seen a lot of articles with just 2 ''good'' refs being closed as no consensus). So I'll stand by my notability tag. ] (]) 21:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
::@] I concur. Unless better references are provided, this should be heard at AfD. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 02:49, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
:::@] Continuing this, do we know what level of coverage is in "the Official Price Guide to Collectible Card Games"? Most of the three pages range is presumably taken by the simple list of cards with price values. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 05:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Piotrus}} Redacting. I thought you were talking about Scrye. The guide by Lee is, for the most part, just a price list. But it does have an intro that I use to flesh out articles sometimes, including information on collection tips, understanding card value, condition guide, and bit of history to the genre of CCGs, as well as discussion on how one goes about entering the world of CCGs through booster packs, starter boxes, expansions, and starter decks. Each CCG entry has a brief description about the game (not nearly as lengthy as Scrye), along with the publisher info, release date, and sometimes other minor info. I'll admit, it's not the best of sources. ] (]) 05:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Piotrus}}. {{u|Leitmotiv}} said it's {{tq|for the most part just a price list}}, so IMHO it's not SIGCOV. IMO, this might need to be AfDed, sadly. ] (]) 05:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::::@] If it is shorter than Scrye... sigh. Isn't there even a single article on strategy, or a review of the game that we could try to prop this up with? If not, we really need to think about a plausible redirect (merge would be fine too, if the target has room). Which is hard, the publisher page (] doesn't even mention the game right now... <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 06:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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:It's simple really. Every edit I make has been notated as to why. ] (]) 06:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hey. I noticed that you removed Myst III from the list, since its console and PC sales weren't clearly delineated. If you plan to use that criteria, Half-Life needs to go (the PlayStation 2 port isn't clearly separated from the 9 million figure), as well as Doom 3 (the Xbox port isn't separated), Half-Life 2 (the figure is not from the source, and the source doesn't separate between HL2's PC and Xbox versions), Myst (ported to the PlayStation and 3DO), Riven (Sega Saturn, PlayStation), Command & Conquer (Sega Saturn, PlayStation, Nintendo 64), Doom (Sega 32X, Atari Jaguar, SNES, PlayStation, 3DO, Sega Saturn) and so on. Most of the list will need to be deleted. ] (]) 20:36, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:Absolutely. I'm coming back from a 4 month Misplaced Pages hiatus of sorts, so I've missed a lot. If the sources don't specifically say PC, then they can be deleted or reverted back to the original listing. As for most of the list needing pruning, that's an exaggeration. The list was pruned a little over a year ago regarding this very matter. ] (]) 20:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


:Also, I looked at the Half-Life 2 source, as an example here. The source, all taken into context, is about Steam PC sales. It mentions Half-life 2 at 12 million or so. Within context, the source is fine, but you have to make sure you read the article properly. ] (]) 20:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Hi. I saw you were having trouble reporting a vandal at ]. You are replacing the instructions template, which is why your edits are being reported. What you want to do is place it in the section titled "user-reported" beneath the other reports. ] (]) 02:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
:Adding reports inside an HTML comment (edit this section here<!-- This text will not be displayed, as it is inside an HTML comment --> to see what I mean) doesn't work either. :) Please use ] for such cases, though; AIV is for obvious vandalism. ] (]) 03:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


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:{{ping|Ospeleo}} Yeah there was a talk discussion about caves without citations years ago. I was the original trimmer of all uncited caves. It's not too much of an issue these days, but I removed some your recent ones. ] (]) 16:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::On that article you created, I'd cite the redlinks to give the article more authority. ] (]) 16:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


== List of caves of Maryland == == More CCGs ==


Hey there! Just want to let you know that I recently created ] and ] in case you want to take a look at those. ] (]) 15:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, this is an aside relative to in-process ]. IMHO you overstated your position by a bit in the AFD and at the article Talk page previously, and I will acknowledge that I took a position in the AFD which is a tad over-stated in the other direction. The truth is that the article probably does contain some OR which should be excised, but not until after the material which can be sourced to "Caves of Maryland" source (_and_ the other sources cited which are offline) is fixed up. Perhaps the I-68 caves are covered in a usable source, perhaps not.


:I'm curious about your additions of reviews and further reading sections. Why don't you incorporate those into the main body of the article and cite them? ] (]) 18:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
But, about the AFD, your stated reasons for seeking deletion have fallen apart, and IMHO you would do best to concede and state your withdrawal of the nomination. So that if the other remaining "Delete" voter also withdraws, then it can be closed quickly by any administrator. It doesn't matter really because it will eventually be judged a "Keep" outcome whether you concede or not, but IMHO it would be better not to force other uninvolved editors to wade through the arguments. I hope you don't mind, but I plan to collapse your long posting copied from the article Talk page so that other editors don't have to wade through as much. I will plan to reply to your 6 points within that, in specific detail at the Talk page, soonish. IMHO the AFD should be wrapped up. FYI, shows all of your AFD participation.
:{{ping|BOZ}} pinging in case you didn't see my response. ] (]) 17:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
::Most of the time I'm just starting a stub to get the article started, but I often come back to revisit those articles later. ] (]) 17:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|BOZ}} Oh ok, so if I take one of your ''further readings'', incorporate it into the article and delete it as a ''further reading'', would that be the preferred way of using that material? ] (]) 17:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
::::That would be just fine. :) ] (]) 17:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


Either way, I appreciate your concern for the topic area and your obvious interest in it being improved. cheers, --] (]) 14:36, 2 December 2017 (UTC) Look at that, I started a new article from an existing redirect of ]. :) ] (]) 01:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
:{{U|Doncram}}, if you are suggesting my response (the part you collapsed) to my initial position is overstated, then I think you miss my intent. If you are intentionally being contrary for contrary-sake, then you should reconsider your role as an admin. I expect more from admins. I want them to be truthful and to uphold the policies of Misplaced Pages. All that said, I'm aware that it now looks like it's a "keeper", and if you fully reviewed my original discussion on the article's talk page from October, you will see that my ultimate goal was to improve this article. So I guess I kind of get my way, huh? What I'm not interested in doing, is cleaning up a big pile o'mess for someone else though, especially if it involves a local area I'm not familiar with. I used leverage to get people to act on this article until we arrived at this point, unfortunately that action hasn't come from anyone with a vested interest in the article. I will definitely delete anything that is not supported by the initial source this article claimed to be effectively using as a primary source. As for retracting my AfD submission, I'm fairly new to this even though I've edited Misplaced Pages for nearly as long as you have, so forgive me if I choose to see how it runs its course, even if I do believe as you say. Sometimes you can still learn more about the process even if you fail, which in my mind is still beneficial.
:Also, can you forgive my ignorance and tell me why I should be concerned about my AfD stats? Are you suggesting that it makes me look like a hypocrite? Potentially, yes. Assuming people are impervious blocks of granite that don't change. But I will also direct you to my comment above about trying to spur the editors of the Maryland cave list to improve the article (this is the third time I've told you to do this). The difference here, is that I had an invested interest in those articles in my AfD history. I was actively involved and that showed interest in fixing the problem, to speak nothing of being actively involved fixing the problem before it was nominated. You can't say the same for any of the editors watching the Maryland cave list article. ] (]) 19:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


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::::Oh, further, I obviously overstated something by my assertion that "I removed the "refimprove" tag from 7 years ago, so that is no longer a problem." I was being a bit facetious, but so obviously that I don't think that rises to the level of being untruthful. It was kind of overstatement for effect. I wouldn't have said that in a regular Talk page discussion, but in the structured contention of an AFD, I thought it was appropriate (and not misleading, i.e. easy for everyone to see exactly what was going on). There is a legimate point there which I did not express explicitly: the generic "refimprove" tag indeed was in place for many years, but there was no good direction provided by that to the original writer(s). The fact is that the original article was, I believe, extremely clear about its sourcing. It just didn't use a zillion separate inline references, which was an okay way to go, though not how articles are done now. More specific feedback was needed, i.e. that separate page-specific inline citations are wanted. And I think that was not spelled out at the Talk page or otherwise, and the generic "refimprove" tag was inadequate. So it would be fair to say the clock should start now, or it should be started when some examples of prefered referencing are provided. --] (]) 22:57, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


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::*Maybe I should not have collapsed the long passage you pasted into the AFD. Any "refactoring" of others comments gets dicey. I meant to streamline the AFD so that it would be possible for more editors to process it. I meant well by it. After a good long time now with no editors participating, though, I have chosen to Undo that collapsing. My undoing it could be criticized too, but no one had responded to my action there so I don't feel it is a problem for me to undo myself. What would be better is if YOU would collapse the too-long passage. Others would say about you and me both, that we write too much. Less is more.
::*Your trying to spur improvement in an article is okay to a point. But you have to understand that complaining about other volunteers not performing work is usually not a good idea. We are all volunteers. It is absurd really for you to complain about me not fixing the article; why should I? Why shouldn't you? The editors who watch the list-article and the editors who did respond to you at the Talk page were making a contribution, in addressing your apparent concern, as helpfully as they could. See ].
::I'll stop with that for now. --] (]) 21:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


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I've changed back your edit to ] -- I don't disagree with your crusade against the "subterranean cave" phrasing, but this one was in a quote from another source :) — ] (]) 17:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm not sure why you replaced references with citation needed templates as you did , but I've restored the sfn tags because they were citing the Harris source, which is listed in the sources part at the bottom of the article. I'm working on improving the article, so it's currently under construction, but I want to make sure everything is reliably sourced as I continue working on the text. Best, <span style="font-family: Optima;">''']''']</span> 23:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:{{U|Ceranthor}} It looks like a made an error in judgment. My apologies. ] (]) 23:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hey there! Thanks for writing articles about CCGs. If I can make any requests, whenever you can get to them, ] should list all the CCGs that WotC produced. Most of them have articles, except for ], the CCG version of ] (there is a link to a source in the article), ] (deleted at AFD, but could be restored if sources were found), and ]. ] (]) 14:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
:{{u|73.168.15.161}} I did Hercules, Xena, and one you didn't mention: C-23. Not sure if I will be able to do Star Sisterz or MapleStory. Btw, are you gonna register a handle? ] (]) 22:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
: Star Sisterz is done now. ] (]) 02:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


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Hello and happy new year! I notice you reverted my edit on ]. My apologies, but I'm having trouble understanding your edit summary. Could you please amplify the meaning of 'coincides with previous' for me? I removed 'coincidentally' because it does not seem to have an encyclopedic tone, and I feel that is a fairly uncontroversial edit. Clarification would be much appreciated. ] (]) 17:36, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
:To appreciate and understand the use of the word, you should probably read the sentence preceding it. It too, is talking about the tilt, and therefore it coincides. Because the sentence also talks about tilt, it is a good segue and breaks up the monotony of sentences beginning with "the" and "this". I honestly don't understand the knee-jerk reaction here. Perhaps you have a misunderstanding of the word coincidence? ] (]) 20:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
::Apologies for coming off knee-jerky, it wasn't intended. While I understand that dictionary definitions aren't an arbiter here, I'm coming up with two generally similar definitions. The first is something that coincides, or ''occurs'' alongside another phenomenon. In that case, to my mind, all events occurring within our solar system during a certain timeline can be said to coincide with eachother. The second definition I'm finding is something that results from chance despite being unlikely, which I'm not certain fits what's being described, and seems at least slightly off in tone as well. I've taken another look at the paragraph in question, and I think I have a possible solution. Amend the sentence to:


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::This version also has the advantage of avoiding another "the" or "this". What do you think? ] (]) 21:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
:::{{u|Gabriel syme}} Sounds good, go for it. Be sure to annotate your edits, which is one of the reasons I hard-reverted your original edit. ] (]) 21:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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:I Shift F5'd and it's dead for me. All it says is "Nope". Second link is also busted. Maybe you're just seeing a cached version on your pc? Try Shift F5 for me. ] (]) 06:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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::It's not cached--I had never been there previously. ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 08:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|cygnis insignis}} I did say that didn't I? Sure you can use it, but I don't mean to say that science is bad. Just that for encyclopedic purposes, science jargon will go over the layman's head. Misplaced Pages is to educate people at their level, not a scientist's. Where do you plan on using it? And where did I use it? ] (]) 05:59, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Found the issue. It's a bad url that needs to be fixed. Link is just "peanuts.com" which gives me the a black screen that says "Nope". If I add a www in front, I get the official site. Not sure how to fix. ] (]) 20:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:: it is an unspoken position that you have merely concretised. Nothing in the statement says that science is bad, ''per se''. The common made in response to a perplexed user during a discussion at ]. I'm writing up an essay or RfC, haven't decided, that opens up discussion of … well I'm not going to say exactly what, lest you think I'm implicating you. All you have done is stated unspoken assumptions that I think have confounded articles about animals, if you find it astonishing to re-read 5 months later that is all the better. If you want to be left out of the meta review I'm doing, I'm happy to comply. ] 06:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
::::I checked again and there is no problem on my end with "https://peanuts.com/" and it does not need a "www" subdomain. ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 20:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|cygnis insignis}} Sure you can use it, I don't mind being in the meta. But context is everything! Glad someone finally recognized a quote of mine as worthy. Maybe it means I'm just barely readable now. hahah ] (]) 07:02, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/peanuts.com?proto=https&www=1 and https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/curlie.org?proto=https ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 20:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
::::The idea "educate people at their level, not a scientist's" or some similarly expressed sentiment is a recurring theme in discussions. Is the current 'level' of jargon in the article appropriate? ] 07:58, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
::::::There is definitely an issue if some users like me, click on the link and get a bad site. The official link sends me to a black screen. It's not just me if I have to alter the url to get it work properly. ] (]) 21:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::I 100% agree, but I also think the problem is on your end. ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 21:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::: a reasonable position and I'm happy to discuss how that might apply. The title Planet nine is arguably jargon, and it may be interesting to stretch that to an analogy; I imagine our theoretical 'layman' is going to think the ninth plant is Pluto and any other interpretation is 'scientific nuance'. ] 03:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
::::::::If you could give a reason why that's the case I'd entertain it. But so far that's not helpful. If I click on other official links, they work, but Peanuts.com without the www does not work. I imagine this is an issue for other folks too. ] (]) 21:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::No clue. Click thru here again and see what happens: ] ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::What sorcery is this? It's the same method I used before and now it works? ] (]) 21:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/search/?title=Q7115636&diff=2110064568&oldid=2110056404 ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 21:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Not sure what to do with that. I'll remove the DLs. ] (]) ] (]) 21:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::] is a sister project to ] and it stores content used in it. {{tl|official}} populates from Wikidata statements. ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 21:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I know that. But I saw nothing useful to help me in my dilemma if this is a "me" problem. ] (]) 21:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I can hardly diagnose why this was an issue on your end either, but I can just say that I never experienced this "NOPE" issue. Sounds bizarre. {{shrug}} ―]<span style="color:red">❤]☮]☺]☯</span> 21:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I should have screenshotted it. The other site was doing something different, sometimes not loading at all. Well thanks for the discussion. ] (]) 21:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks for drawing this to my attention. I will direct you to my response at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Cave coordinates for further details. I will address a couple things since you tend to be vague at times. Could you specifically pinpoint the conflict of interest involving exclusivity? And how did you come to this conclusion, for I'm truly at a loss. By the way... you mention "systems" meaning plural. I believe my book is on just one system. So I do not know what other systems you are referring about in regards to my book. Leitmotiv (talk) 06:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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"Science, though we love it, is still a narrow field for encyclopedic purposes and not the goal of Misplaced Pages articles." I had been looking for someone to state that point blank, do you mind if I quote you? cygnis insignis 05:25, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

cygnis insignis I did say that didn't I? Sure you can use it, but I don't mean to say that science is bad. Just that for encyclopedic purposes, science jargon will go over the layman's head. Misplaced Pages is to educate people at their level, not a scientist's. Where do you plan on using it? And where did I use it? Leitmotiv (talk) 05:59, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
it is an unspoken position that you have merely concretised. Nothing in the statement says that science is bad, per se. The common made in response to a perplexed user during a discussion at Talk:Bat#Rename article to Bats or use scientific name. I'm writing up an essay or RfC, haven't decided, that opens up discussion of … well I'm not going to say exactly what, lest you think I'm implicating you. All you have done is stated unspoken assumptions that I think have confounded articles about animals, if you find it astonishing to re-read 5 months later that is all the better. If you want to be left out of the meta review I'm doing, I'm happy to comply. cygnis insignis 06:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
cygnis insignis Sure you can use it, I don't mind being in the meta. But context is everything! Glad someone finally recognized a quote of mine as worthy. Maybe it means I'm just barely readable now. hahah Leitmotiv (talk) 07:02, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
The idea "educate people at their level, not a scientist's" or some similarly expressed sentiment is a recurring theme in discussions. Is the current 'level' of jargon in the article appropriate? cygnis insignis 07:58, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I am the best person to rate an article in that regard. My general opinion of any article is that it should start out as simple as possible in the lede, and as it's fleshed out, can become slowly more complicated while trying to simplify the language and educating with new language at the same time. Generally, more jargon-esque language, more scientific nuance, should be reserved for the end of subsections, or the article as a whole. But that's just my opinion, and it may not be fully informed. Astronomy articles such as Planet Nine often suffer from too much science at the beginning of the article. I've worked on simplifying Planet Nine's lede to simplify it for the layman, leaving the remaining body of the article to get progressively more in depth should the reader choose to learn more. I try to employ the KISS acronym. Leitmotiv (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
a reasonable position and I'm happy to discuss how that might apply. The title Planet nine is arguably jargon, and it may be interesting to stretch that to an analogy; I imagine our theoretical 'layman' is going to think the ninth plant is Pluto and any other interpretation is 'scientific nuance'. cygnis insignis 03:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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EdJohnston Seems like you got your facts wrong. I'm not adding the word underground and never have. I'm deleting it because it is redundant. Also your warning is a little vague... Am I disallowed from doing it anywhere, or just a certain page? Also this seems to be against WP:BOLD, so what is your response to that? Leitmotiv (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply; I got the warning backwards. I've changed my sentence above. The warning applies only to the Pikmin 2 article. Notice that WP:BOLD is a guideline, while WP:Edit warring is a policy. A policy takes precedence. The warning will be a success if it persuades you to get the agreement of others. EdJohnston (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
EdJohnston Oh I agree... getting people to enforce a warning/ban is much easier than getting them to actually discuss the subject matter at hand however. Most people would use it as a chance to not do the very they they are arguing for - a discussion. The irony is not lost on me. The only thing I don't like about this whole ordeal is conflating my old edits with my new ones. I didn't just pick up the old mantle, I found new evidence that specifically addressed the concern of an editor brought in as a third opinion. No one has been able to address this, except for me. And here we are with no one discussing it.
One question for you. If people are actively avoiding discussing it and enough time has passed, at what point can I reedit it for lack of participation and no consensus? Leitmotiv (talk) 21:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
No particular person is required to discuss, but people can be blocked for continuing to revert. You could also create a WP:Request for comment on the talk page. An RfC can be closed by an uninvolved party. After that happens, the result of the RfC is binding on everyone, even on those who did not participate. You would have to decide whether the single word 'underground' is so important that you want to go through the full process, which could take as long as thirty days though it is usually quicker. EdJohnston (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I understand. The issue is that I may bring it up, because I edit all redundancies of "underground cave" I find, so it would set a framework for other articles. I've never met so much nonsensical resistance before, to such a simple edit that is common sense. Thank you for your responses. Leitmotiv (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
EdJohnston Czar gave insincere info suggesting there was a cave above ground in the game by saying: "moving vertically is one of the defining aspects of the game, so worth accentuating the difference" - but there is no difference. There is no above ground cave in the game as supplied by my evidence. In my opinion, his revert was terribly insincere. If you click on my evidence in my edit link, you will see that the entire cave, the singular cave, is below the house. Czar started off his revert as arguing for the need to distinguish the difference in the Underwurlde article and my link suggests there is none, since the entirety of the cave is below a baseline. Now he is arguing semantics with me, rather than the need for the article itself requiring a specific need for distinguishing the difference. I honestly was hoping that when I went looking for evidence of the type of cave/s in the game that I would indeed find a cave in the sky, above ground if you will. But I found none. If I had, I would have moved along.
To why I shouldn't be banned: So I did originally revert when I saw evidence that contradicted his blind revert. I have not reverted on top of that. I'm not looking to push right up against 3RR and I am currently discussing all my edits on a case by case basis as you can see here: Talk:List of show caves in Germany, if they are contested. You remark that I haven't discussed it on Underwurlde is extremely premature since in my opinion, I haven't had the chance yet after supplying the evidence I felt was needed to back up my edit. I most definitely would have taken it to the talk page after Czar's recent revert and no I would not have instantly reverted - and this would have happened even if you hadn't posted just now, but rather, it would have come from my experience with my previous edits at Pikmin 2.
Concerning disruptive edits - I think that's also an exaggeration. You can see that I've edited probably around a two to three hundred articles with redundancies to this effect with only 3 being disputed: Pikmin 2, List of Show Caves in Germany, and Underwurlde. One of those was resolved in my favor. Please don't cherrypick Underwurlde while overlooking List of Show Caves in Germany. I feel Underwurlde could be resolved in my favor too, but if it reaches a conclusion like that in Pikmin 2, I don't intend on "having it my way", but will move on. So definitely some hyperbole by stating 3 contested edits (1 in my favor) out of a couple hundred is disruptive. I'm just being WP:BOLD and handling each disputed case in the talk pages. I have no intention of blind reverting, but I may revert if the reasoning isn't sound and I have evidence to back up my claim, like I did at Underwurlde. I may just avoid video game pages altogether if each one is irrationally contested as Pikmin 2 was. I may have "disrupted" two pages, but I also got thanked for my edits too. My intention going forward is to be be bold, but I'm not looking to start a fight. I like arguing the details of my edits, and I shouldn't be punished for that, because you should realize that there is a world where the word "arguing" doesn't have a negative connotation. Leitmotiv (talk) 03:50, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Reverting a revert is edit warring, not being bold. You've been around long enough to know how BRD works. czar 06:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
In that case, you're guilty too. I wasn't intentionally edit warring. I may be breaking a rule, but I'm not intentionally breaking a rule, nor intentionally edit warring. I don't spend my time on admin boards, nor arguing about the inner machinations of wikipedia, I just try to edit wikipedia to improve it. I'm literally looking at your original revert as being insincere. From my perspective, I posted the image link to show you where I was coming from because I saw a cave entirely underground, with no "vertical" relief above ground as your edit claimed. That's fine we disagree. I wasn't trying to revert for revert's sake, as evident in my previous post to EdJohnston. Leitmotiv (talk) 06:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
A word of advice, if you were already warned to stop edit warring, saying 'but they did it too' or 'I didn't know' rarely helps. Especially when you are edit warring in multiple different articles against multiple different people over highly related issues. Nil Einne (talk) 14:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Just pointing out that it takes two to tango. Multiple, in this case, is 2. Leitmotiv (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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@Onel5969: I don't understand. It had three reliable and independent sources. What I also find odd, is that I was never notified of an AfD and the article was quickly rushed without my input as creator. Thanks for that, I suppose. Leitmotiv (talk) 17:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@Onel5969: I know there wasn't a question mark in my statement, but there was an inherent question in my ping to you. Leitmotiv (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Leitmotiv, not sure what your question is. But if it's in regards to the refs, there is currently a single in-depth ref from a reliable source. The others are a press release (neither independent or reliable), and a brief blurb from a non-reliable source. Hope this helps. Onel5969 12:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Wing Commander CCG

Wing Commander Collectible Trading Card Game was redirected back in 2006 from this, and grew a little on the franchise page but no sources have been added to that section. I did find a BGG page for it though. BOZ (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@BOZ: Hey Boz! I'm not sure what you need from me. Leitmotiv (talk) 03:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Just wondering if you had any sources to help that grow, potentially so that it could be split back out if there are enough. BOZ (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I have been working on User:BOZ/Games deletions for almost two months, and CCGs are a minority of what I have found so far (I am not done), but there were still quite a few, but if any of these pop out to you as potentially salvageable let me know and I will get them restored for you to work on:

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If you'd like a chance to work on any of those, let me know and I will move them to draft space for you. BOZ (talk) 01:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I created the RIFTS CCG page and there was consensus to merge it with the RIFTS rpg article. I'm a little apprehensive about working on any of them because of that. Zatch Bell, as you know, I don't have any refs for that in book form. And anything I do have in book form, you do as well. Right now, I'm in final week with my Math class and when this term finishes I'm going to devote most of my time to a couple projects that need to be completed before the end of September. Leitmotiv (talk) 02:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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Scrye

Can you provide evidence that Scrye run a proper article on this game? I know it had some, I read it back in the day too, but you forgot to properly attribute it. As such, we can't be sure there was an article and not just a price list.

Second, please note that SIGCOV does require multiple (mimimum two) sources that meet WP:SIGCOV. We are tightening our standards these days, we are even creating Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Board and table games/Sources (and you are welcome to participate), but that also means we are getting rid of the occasional article that doesn't meet the project-wide standards. Of course, it's always better to rescue content than to delete it, hence my question if you can identify two SIGCOV-meeting sources and properly reference them for this article. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:44, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: It appears there are two sources on the topic. Albeit, one is a primary source used to flesh out the article, however per WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD it appears suitable. Be sure you're not confusing Scrye magazine with the Scrye guide. Here's a screen grab. There are two other brief mentions in the guidebook that show a release date and the other a color photo in the glossary depicting the front and back of the card with some other minor information. Also you mentioned it requires two sources per WP:SIGCOV, but I see no such requirement on that page. Specifically, it does state "In the absence of multiple sources, it must be possible to verify that the source reflects a neutral point of view, is credible and provides sufficient detail for a comprehensive article." Leitmotiv (talk) 14:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Ha-hum. I'll ping User:VickKiang, who added the notability tag, for their opinion. So far I am seeing one borderline source (from the screen grab, thanks), and I think that's not enough. PS. From GNG: ""Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus: I edited my previous comment above a few times, make sure you check it out. I'm a little concerned that you are moving the goal posts. You cite some things that appear to be untrue (WP:SIGCOV) and as I mentioned on your log page WP:GNG has been discussed at length on the Echelons of Fury discussion I linked. "Generally" allows for exceptions. As noted in the notability guidelines, sources should not be trivial. I'd argue Scrye is not trivial. A brief mention in passing is trivial, but an article devoted to it, is not. Leitmotiv (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

It seems relevant to repost what I posted on Piotrus' prod log page: Hello again! I've done a series of articles on CCG games. Two articles in particular are very similar to your claim that they "barely support ": Echelons of Fury and Echelons of Fire. There was a discussion about it here claiming the price guide was not notable, but that proved not to be the case. I understand that most price guides and catalogs do fall under this category and would normally agree with you, but the Scrye guide is exceptional in that it has more than a mere mention in a passing sentence (a dedicated article by Richard Weld, as you requested), but three full paragraphs devoted to its description. You'll note that one user that voted on whether to keep or delete the article mentions "I just saw the full title and forgot Scrye had actual articles." So, before you go digging into the other articles I created using the Scrye guide, you should note that Scrye passes WP:RS, WP:GNG, and WP:CORPDEPTH. If you won't take my word for it, the other commenter's word for it, then check out this Amazon review that stated "Quite useful listing of collectables with some information besides being just a list of CCGs" (emphasis mine). The review is now deleted, but at the time of review, was documented in that AfD discussion. Based on my outline above, I will delete the template for AfD. Leitmotiv (talk) 15:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Even if it's an RS, we have just one borderline source that might just pass SIGCOV, in your opinion it's RS, if I'm WP:AGF on the ref, we have 1 ref meeting WP:GNG. That isn't enough, sadly. WP:GNG says "multiple", which is generally 2+, although generally could also imply that 3 refs might be needed, see WP:3REFS (I know this is an essay, but I've seen a lot of articles with just 2 good refs being closed as no consensus). So I'll stand by my notability tag. VickKiang (talk) 21:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
@VickKiang I concur. Unless better references are provided, this should be heard at AfD. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:49, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
@VickKiang Continuing this, do we know what level of coverage is in "the Official Price Guide to Collectible Card Games"? Most of the three pages range is presumably taken by the simple list of cards with price values. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Redacting. I thought you were talking about Scrye. The guide by Lee is, for the most part, just a price list. But it does have an intro that I use to flesh out articles sometimes, including information on collection tips, understanding card value, condition guide, and bit of history to the genre of CCGs, as well as discussion on how one goes about entering the world of CCGs through booster packs, starter boxes, expansions, and starter decks. Each CCG entry has a brief description about the game (not nearly as lengthy as Scrye), along with the publisher info, release date, and sometimes other minor info. I'll admit, it's not the best of sources. Leitmotiv (talk) 05:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
@Piotrus:. Leitmotiv said it's for the most part just a price list, so IMHO it's not SIGCOV. IMO, this might need to be AfDed, sadly. VickKiang (talk) 05:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
@VickKiang If it is shorter than Scrye... sigh. Isn't there even a single article on strategy, or a review of the game that we could try to prop this up with? If not, we really need to think about a plausible redirect (merge would be fine too, if the target has room). Which is hard, the publisher page (WildStorm doesn't even mention the game right now... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Revertion in "List of Caves"

Hi, I noticed you undid some caves in the "cave by country list, because of lack of citation. Thank you for your input.

I am fixing this right now.

you may notice that A LOT of caves cited in this article are without citation. Will you remove all of them ?

olivier @Leitmotiv: Ospeleo (talk) 15:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Ospeleo: Yeah there was a talk discussion about caves without citations years ago. I was the original trimmer of all uncited caves. It's not too much of an issue these days, but I removed some your recent ones. Leitmotiv (talk) 16:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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I correcred everything.
I already did the reference research for this article I wrote from scratch
List of longest cave by country Ospeleo (talk) 16:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
On that article you created, I'd cite the redlinks to give the article more authority. Leitmotiv (talk) 16:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hey there! Just want to let you know that I recently created XXXenophile (collectible card game) and Star of the Guardians (collectible card game) in case you want to take a look at those. BOZ (talk) 15:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm curious about your additions of reviews and further reading sections. Why don't you incorporate those into the main body of the article and cite them? Leitmotiv (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
@BOZ: pinging in case you didn't see my response. Leitmotiv (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Most of the time I'm just starting a stub to get the article started, but I often come back to revisit those articles later. BOZ (talk) 17:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
@BOZ: Oh ok, so if I take one of your further readings, incorporate it into the article and delete it as a further reading, would that be the preferred way of using that material? Leitmotiv (talk) 17:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
That would be just fine. :) BOZ (talk) 17:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Look at that, I started a new article from an existing redirect of Imajica (card game). :) BOZ (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

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I've changed back your edit to Ecclesiastical prison -- I don't disagree with your crusade against the "subterranean cave" phrasing, but this one was in a quote from another source :) — Moriwen (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see it was a long quote. Sorry about that. Leitmotiv (talk) 19:06, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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I Shift F5'd and it's dead for me. All it says is "Nope". Second link is also busted. Maybe you're just seeing a cached version on your pc? Try Shift F5 for me. Leitmotiv (talk) 06:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
It's not cached--I had never been there previously. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Found the issue. It's a bad url that needs to be fixed. Link is just "peanuts.com" which gives me the a black screen that says "Nope". If I add a www in front, I get the official site. Not sure how to fix. Leitmotiv (talk) 20:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I checked again and there is no problem on my end with "https://peanuts.com/" and it does not need a "www" subdomain. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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There is definitely an issue if some users like me, click on the link and get a bad site. The official link sends me to a black screen. It's not just me if I have to alter the url to get it work properly. Leitmotiv (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I 100% agree, but I also think the problem is on your end. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
If you could give a reason why that's the case I'd entertain it. But so far that's not helpful. If I click on other official links, they work, but Peanuts.com without the www does not work. I imagine this is an issue for other folks too. Leitmotiv (talk) 21:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
No clue. Click thru here again and see what happens: Peanuts#External_links ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
What sorcery is this? It's the same method I used before and now it works? Leitmotiv (talk) 21:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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Not sure what to do with that. I'll remove the DLs. Leitmotiv (talk) Leitmotiv (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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I know that. But I saw nothing useful to help me in my dilemma if this is a "me" problem. Leitmotiv (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I can hardly diagnose why this was an issue on your end either, but I can just say that I never experienced this "NOPE" issue. Sounds bizarre. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I should have screenshotted it. The other site was doing something different, sometimes not loading at all. Well thanks for the discussion. Leitmotiv (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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