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	== History section is needed ==

	This article would benefit tremendously from a history section. How did the dietary laws evolve? For example, were they already in place at the time of the Roman empire? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:You give us good source, we try to write good section. If you have to believe the Bible, ] kept kosher at the Babylonian emperor's palace. But then the Bible itself states that the laws of Kashrut were given to Moses about 3,300 years ago. I am not personally aware of secondary/secular sources documenting adherence to the dietary laws in antiquity. ] \| ] 11:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

	:Related to the history section, I think a section detailing the implications of the laws on the modern food industry should be included. What determines whether or not a manufacturer decides to go through kosher certification? When did packaging start having markings on it? Are there similar laws in place (and similar markings on packaging) for other religions? What did other religious leaders historically have to say about the inclusion of the markings? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Probably depends on the product and market. If you are selling high value products in New York it's probably worth it, if you are selling beans in Mexico probably not. The only similar standard I can think of is the Vegan and Organic certification. Kosher marks aren't very common in Europe, although Halal butchered meat is. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


	== Wild game? ==

	Under the ] section of the article it states the following:

	:''Many wild game would be kosher if they could be '''shechted''' but as they are wild and cannot be tamed it would be impossible to '''shecht''' without desacrating one of the requirements as well as giving a misconception that all wild game are kosher.''


	Can someone fix the article, or just respond here, to explain why a wild or untamed animal can't be ''shechted''? That text from the article is very confusing. ] (]) 06:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

	:Wild animals are ]. With the exception of ], hunting means killing the animal in the wild, ruining the opportunity for ]. (I agree that the wording is unclear.) ] (]) 16:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

	Actually, I would suggest asking a Rav about this, there is a body of halachic literture about hunting that practically no one looks at, because practically no kosher keeping Jewish people live in rural areas where hunting is popular for both sport and table. It's come up in my hillel that it might be tchnically permissible to hunt for table but not for sport. The problem is that animalds are large (freezers, sharing?), and that most Jes in the US have never been exposed to guns ever, both at a shooting range, let alone in a forest. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	== Is Kosher Halal? ==

	There are less restrictions for ] than for ]. When it comes to meat, a proper method is to be followed (the same in Kosher as it is in Halal). So is it safe to say that all Kosher food (except alcoholic wine) is permissible for muslims (or in other words, is Halal) ?
	--] (]) 14:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

	:According to the ] article, it's "an ongoing debate", with "most Muslim authorities" effectively disagreeing with you. See also ]. ] (]) 16:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


	Yeah, it is NOT Halal nor visa versa.... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Zybek didn't ask whether kosher and halal are the same. Zybek asked whether meat that is kosher is also halal. The answer is that in almost all cases yes kosher meat is also halal meat. It is also true that halal and kosher are not the same, but, again, that wasn't Zybek's question. The Wiki article cited by MangesianPhoenix gives details but you'll see that most points of disagreement are 1) cases where kosher is more restrictive, 2) involve products other than meat (alcohol for example) and 3) often involve parts of dietary law that only extremely strict followers of halal worry about. ] 14:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

	== Proposed redirect ==

	I think that "kosher" should redirect here and that ] should be moved to ]. Does anyone agree or oppose? ] (]) 16:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
	:"Kosher" currently redirects here to "''Kashrut''". Is that what you want or do you want it to redirect to "Kosher (disambiguation)"? The current redirect makes more sense because most people searching for "kosher" are searching for this article, not for the disambiguation page. <big>] ] ]</big> 09:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

	==Giraffe==
	Someone kindly added a ''Daily Telegraph'' link that the ] has now been declared kosher. The article is internally inconsistent though. The principle of ''chalav tamei eino ma'amid'' doesn't work the other way round, i.e. one cannot declare an animal kosher because its milk exhibits certain properties! Does anyone have a better source on this - which beth din decided on it? ] \| ] 11:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

	Did read earlier in a comment on the word zamer (זמר) Parshas Re'eh 14:5 (ArtScroll Chumash) that both R' Saadyah and Radak belived that the zamer was the giraffe, but they also point out in the same comment space that Chullin 80a seems says its a wild goat. ] (]) 00:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

	:Some googling around turned up {{Citation
	\|url=http://www.kashrut.com/articles/giraffe/
	\|title=What's the Truth About Giraffe Meat!
	\|author=Rabbi Air Z. Zivotofki
	\|publisher=Kashrut.com
	}}. I've added that cite to this article and to the ] article. ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 23:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
	::The Talmud speaks about finding yourself in a deserted wilderness and coming across an animal missing it's feet -- thus, the cloven hoof status cannot be determined. Assuming one is starving and needs to eat, one may assume the animal is kosher if it has certain dental patterns (consistent with ruminants) and one is certain it is not a camel. For this reason, and others, I don't think the giraffe was 'waiting' for any declaration. ''']''' <sup>(] \| ])</sup> 04:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

	: Rumor here says that giraffes are kosher, but their heads have to be cut at a specific point on the neck and we can't really locate it, so in practice you can't produce kosher giraffe meat. However, that may be just a rumor. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	I came on wikipedia to work out what food to give a Jewish person and the entry goes on about Giraffe. WHO EATS THAT! Its probabally illegal anyway, why not mention aliens are they Kosher? Human flesh?? Worms?? Giant Panda?? I could go on. This kind of entry gives wikipedia a bad name as a source of useful information. This information is acedemic and not useful. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:The article offers much more information, besides giraffe. If you have any specific questions which are not addressed in the article, kindly post your questions at ], and remember to sign by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end. <big>] ] ]</big> 09:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

	==Is Michael Jackson kosher?==

	http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1220353263659&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

	One of his daughters is I think, or sons. I mean is Jewish. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:In general human flesh is not kosher, regardless of who the human being is or was. --] (]) 18:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
	::But when permitted, the blessing is ''Shehakol''. ] (]) 09:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
	:::The word "kosher" may also refer to something other than food, for example: "kosher" or "non-kosher" music (by Michael Jackson, for instance?). This is explained at the end of the article. <big>] ] ]</big> 10:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

	== Kashmiri Muslims Call Halall as Kash ==

	Kashmiri Muslims call Halal as Kash (Abbr of Kashrut). This is perhaps because of a longstanding jewish influence in Kashmir(Probably coming from Persia) noted by travellers including Alberuni(ca 1000 A.D)] (]) 15:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


	Actually that is because most Kashmiri Muslims are descended from the tribes of Israel that fled to Afghanistan and further East after the first destruction. Afghanistan history documents this fact, and the 47th generational descendant of King Saul attempted to return the people to Israel just after the second Temple was built but he was denied entry by the Babylonians who ruled Israel at that time. Its a fact, check it out! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== In comparison and contrast to nearby cultures ==

	Can someone please explain this recent edit to me? I don't know what it's the inverse of or what sense it makes, or why it should be in the article. Does "original bible" mean Old Testament, re-definitions of what?

	::Inversely, the abandoning of Kashrut food practices that are detailed in the Torah (original bible) during the re-definitions of the new testament, is a signifyer of mainstream divergence from the Jewish practice, way of life, and creed.

	] (]) 15:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

	== Reasons for Kosher -- Health Reasons -- Biblical Scientific Foresight ==

	In "1.2.2 Health reasons", the "scientifically discredited theory of biblical scientific foresight" is mentioned. For the sake of accurate reporting, I would like to point out that this theory has not been scientifically discredited by any method I know of, and I feel that it should not be labeled as such. However, I wanted to check what everyone else thinks/knows before I make any hasty revisions. Cheers. ] (]) 06:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

	== Terefah ==

	Currently ] redirects here. I am not sure if it is covered under a different name here in the article, but if it is not, perhaps it should get a mention somewhere (again, since terefah redirects here). See for a comparison. Cheers!] (]) 03:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

	== Temple Grandin ==

	Prof. Temple Grandin is recognized throughout the industry as <i>the </i>expert on behavior of animals at slaughter. Her POV is how to reduce the stress on animals, which benefits the industry as well as the animals. The Kashrut page should link to her work since it facilitates understanding of a major issue involved in preparing kosher meat. Please explain why this link has been repeatedly deleted. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:There are several issues. There is substantial criticism of this research, and therefore the "external links" section is not the place to present one viewpoint but not the other. Please see ] if this is unclear. Those defending kosher slaughter also claim that shechita is a humane method of slaughter and aimed at reducing stress. If you want to present all viewpoints, it might be more appropriate to leave the ] article alone (which is about ''all'' aspects of kosher food, not just slaughter) and take this to ], where you will find this link again. In that article there is a large section on this topic. ] \| ] 19:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

	I don't really agree with you, but I see that the link under Shechita is more appropriate. I have added Shechita to "See also," where, as you say, these issues are discussed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Care to tell in what way you don't agree with me? ] \| ] 20:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

	I disagree with your implication that Prof. Grandin opposes kosher slaughter or believes that it is not humane. One of the papers on the previously linked site makes it clear that she is simply recommending how to ensure that shechita is done in a humane way – by using a sharp knife, by keeping the animal upright especially avoiding shackling and hoisting (discussed more completely at ). It is hard to imagine that any of this can be considered controversial. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Shechita is always done with a sharp knife -- sort of one of the . ''']''' <sup>(] \| ])</sup> 04:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
	== Restrictions on non diatary use ==
	this text is wrong, it says there are NO restrictions on non-diatery use. it should read there are SOME. for example one can not benifit from cooked meat and milk mixtures even for non-food use
	— <small>Previous unsigned comment was added by ] at 23:34, 25/June/09.</small>

	==Vegetarianism and Dr. Katz's opinion==


	Okay, let's get this perfectly clear before you read any of the drivel below:

	Vegetarianism is NOT Kosher, by default! There are VERY strict laws governing plants for Kashrut, that the typical American Jew refuses to learn, and thus mistakenly believes they are "eating Kosher" when they are not. I say, "American Jew" because this is where this nonsense started, in the US. Well trained Jews know better.

	— <small>Previous unsigned comment was added by ] at 20:30, 8/Mar/10.</small>



	I have several times to insert the following this in the "Vegetarianism" section

	As noted by the ]i scholar Dr. Ya'akov Katz, "(...) Strictly refraining from eating any meat whatsoever technically fulfils the criteria of Kashrut, not to mix meat and milk. However, it does not fulfil the unofficial social function which many people assign to Kashrut - i.e., to set up a daily way of life which sets Jews apart from non-Jews. Being a vegetarian does not fulfil this function, Rather, it sets vegetarians apart from non-vegetarians. Jewish vegetarians have no problem in sharing a table with non-Jewish vegetarians - but they have considerable difficulty in sharing a table with Jewish non-vegetarians."<ref>Dr. Ya'akov Katz, "To be a Jewish Vegetarian" in Avraham Drori (ed.) "Round table on Late Twentieth Century Judaism", Tel Aviv, 1987 (In Hebrew) - noting some difficulties he encountered as a vegetarian, in congregations in both ] and ], Israel</ref>

	It was repeatedly reverted by ]. on the grounds that this is "a single person's POV" and afterwards "I know Katz is a scholar but he is describing personal experiences and views that are not necessarily highly notable". I want to point out again that Dr. Katz is a scholar, and that he said these things in the context of a serious panel discussion on Judaism and how it interacts with the social norms of the modern Western World in which Jews live. He pointed to personal experiences of his own life to illustrate the point - which is a long-established and perfectly legitimate academic method - but the point itself is highly relevant to the subject and belongs on this page. If ] finds it objectionable (which is his privilege) he is at liberty to locate and place on the page an opposing view. That is the Misplaced Pages way, as I venture to understand it. ] (]) 13:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

	: This has been here for nearly a week and nobody responded, so I am going to post this reference again on the page. Anybody objecting, please place your objections here, thanks! ] (]) 15:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

	My objections are that Katz is a historian and not a spokesperson for a particular group or movement. If there is a particular source that confirms him as a spokesperson, then please provide this. ] \| ] 22:59, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

	: He is an outspoken vegetarian and Animal Rights advocate, whose concern for animals is deeply rooted in his being a devout Orthodox Jew, and he has expressed this opinion in writing quite often. As he said and wrote, both in the sepcific debate which I quoted and on other occasions, he would like other Orthodox Jews to become vegetarians and other Jewish vegetarians to become Orthodox, and has made efforts over many years to convince members of both groups of why they it is in interest of both Judaism and Vegetarianism that they should do so - both when he lived in the US and since he came to Israel. I think all this gives his view on the matter enough significance to have one paragraph mentioning it in the specific section of the specific Misplaced Pages page dealing with this specific subject. ] (]) 14:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

	:: I would exepct anybody who still has something to say on this subject to either say it here - which is the logical and proper place for Wikipedians to discuss issues with each other - ''or'' to refreain from deleting this paragraph if it is put in again. Thanks! ] (]) 12:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

	::: I waited until after Yom Kippur, and I give anyone who has any objections one more day to react. If still no reaction, I am going to post this paragraph again tommow, and I expect it to stay. ] (]) 11:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
	::::When you reinsert the paragraph, please include a link to a reliable supporting source; perhaps an article about him and these issues, an article or articles quoting him on these issues, or his writings on these issues. ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 01:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

	: Refraining from meat does not guarantee that you're eating kosher. If you eat from a plate someone ate a steak on, and you washed the plate, and you're eating a cheese sandwich from it, it's not kosher as far as I know. An orthodox vegetarian friend of mine wouldn't eat kosher McFries because she doesn't want to have to refrain from dairy products for the next few hours. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	==Views from animal welfare groups==

	I just changed the sentence "Some animal rights groups object to kosher slaughter" to be "Many animal rights groups object to kosher slaughter", but this was reverted by user ], who requested sources for this claim.

	Here are some:

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	These are some of the most well known animal welfare organisations.

	Unless someone can present evidence of animal welfare groups that have no problem with ritual slaughter, then I maintain it is perfectly acccurate and acceptable to say that "many", or "most" (if not indeed "all") such organisations oppose these methods.

	''Incidentally I am also of the view that "welfare" is a more appropriate expression here than "rights" because it is less loaded.''

	] (]) 18:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

	:The above groups have a problem with every means of slaughter.

	::''"Viva! opposes all slaughter and we promote vegetarianism as the only truly effective way to prevent animal suffering. Viva!’s investigations show that millions of animals slaughtered by conventional means are ineffectively, painfully or incompletely stunned – and the overwhelming majority of the 850 million killed each year lead lives of deprivation and suffering. To find out more about slaughter, click"''

	:The above is from Viva!'s web site.

	:In some statements they seem to be favoring stunning as a first step to slaughter. Is "stunning" humane? They are talking about religious slaughter and citing pigs. Pigs are not animals slaughtered for Jewish food.

	::<strike>''"In both forums I declared that religious slaughter is a vile and merciless way to treat animals, but that I also have concerns about the way bigots jump on the 'ritual slaughter' bandwagon. As to 'humane' British killing, I have personally visited six slaughterhouses and seen, for instance, pigs shackled upside down by one leg, their throats slashed and gushing blood. I've seen them slip from their shackles and crash head first on to the concrete, thrashing desperately and with blood pouring from their throat wounds. This is 'humane slaughter'. At one slaughterhouse I saw a man with a stick mindlessly beat every animal he unloaded from a transporter. At another, I saw a crippled pig kneed and kicked along an aisle to the place where she was subjected to electrical stunning."''</strike>

	:The above is from Animal Aid's web site.

	:Do you have a source other than these web sites asserting what you wish to say?

	:I find this at ]:

	::''"Articles should rely on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we only publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves."'' ] (]) 18:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

	::: Above you state that "The above groups have a problem with every means of slaughter" but this is not true. While some do have a problem with all animal slaughter - ''and therefore are indeed opposed to kosher'' - the FAWC, for example, are not opposed to all slaughter. Neither, I think, are the RSPCA. Nonetheless both are opposed to ritual slaughter on the basis of scientific evidence.

	:::I have quoted enough sources. The only questions pertinent to the change are whether these groups are opposed to ritual slaughter, which I have shown they are, and whether you can cite other animal rights organisations who are not opposed to it.

	:::] (]) 20:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

	::::Do I understand you correctly that is the change you wish to make? If so, shouldn't you bring a source to support the resulting contention? You seem to be justifying that change on your own reading of various sites. Those sites might be relevant, but I think you are reaching your own conclusion. ] is a policy that might apply here. ] cautions against "…the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves." ] (]) 20:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

	:::::Yes, that is the change I'd like to make - the same one I made in the first place. It seems to me these organisations' own statements count as "primary sources". Please simply present an animal welfare group that is not opposed to ritual slaughter, with your source, and you have some counter-evidence.

	:::::Also, the quotation you give from Animal Aid, above, though emotive, is irrelevant, because if these practices were really witnessed, they are unnecessary malpractices for which the slaughterhouse could lose its licence, whereas ritual slaughter is judged by these organisations to be unnecessarily painful even when carried out "correctly".

	:::::] (]) 21:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

	:::::Here's source for you. It is obvious that many animal rights groups are opposed to ritual slaughter and I have presented evidence enough of this. I think it is only fair that if you cannot produce any sources to the contrary then the change should be admitted.

	:::::] (]) 21:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

	::::::Grorland, you are trying to change from "Some" to "Many" in the statement, ''"Some animal rights groups object to kosher slaughter…"'' The problem is you have not brought a source to support that change. Your argument has been that you have looked at animal right's group sites and have found them to be opposed to kosher slaughter. But I think that is ]. I think what is called for is a ] source that comments on this. The change that you are proposing making is only exacerbating an already existing problem. Though I have not come across Misplaced Pages policy on this, my reasoning is as follows: Terms like "some," "many," and "few" serve to quantify. The word "some" is a moderate term in this respect. But terms such as "many" and "few" tend to express either extremely large or extremely small quantities. I think they call into need a source even more than a term expressing a moderate quantity. ] (]) 00:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

	:::::::That's precisely the point, the word "some" is moderate, implying that just a few groups are against ritual slaughter, while others (possibly a majority) have no problem with it. As already explained, I have presented primary source evidence that the opposite is actually true, thus fulfilling ] on NOR:

	:::::::''"To demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented."''

	:::::::While it is true that it is hard to find a third party source saying that many animal rights groups are against ritual slaughter (no doubt because the statement is self-evidently true), there is no need for such a source when sufficient primary sources for the claim are available.

	:::::::You seem very resistant to this edit despite all the evidence presented. Do you honestly believe there exist animal rights groups who have no problem with ritual slaughter?

	:::::::Regarding the quantative issue, would you be happier with "most" rather than "many"? This claim is also clearly substantiated by the primary sources.

	:::::::] (]) 09:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

	:::::::I disagree with user ], who has just edited the article, that this was ] and have now found third party sources supporting my exact wording anyway. Nonetheless, I'm perfectly happy with the new edit, so hope this issue is now closed.

	:::::::] (]) 10:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
	== Principles ==
	"Generally any animal that eats other animals" it's not clear whether this section means that these are allowed or not? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	== Non Mixing of Dairy and Meat is Non, Repeat Not a Kosher Rule ==
	Now that I have gotten your attention I recant that statement. But only partially. I was raised Jewish and to respect and honor Kosher rules. However this is Rabbinic Kosher rules, not Torah (Biblical) Kosher. It is true that Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy all state basically that we are not to "boil a kid in it's mother's milk," however the context of the statement is not within the confides of the dietary requirements found in Levitcus 11th chapter. The rules for separating dairy & meat come from a section of text where one would find the sacrificail rules (not dietary). The Talmud (or Oral Torah) is what expands upon those text about dairy and meat which make them non-kosher, not the Torah itself. After all the passage is not really clear that is dietary or not because it does not say specifically. It is therefore nothing more than an opinion. I therefore do not follow this text as I believe it to be the opinion of mankind and not a direct dictate from Ha Shem himself. I may be wrong but for the sake of argument I believe that letting those who read about Kosher here in Misplaced Pages that it is more a tradition or a part of the Talmud (Oral Torah) would be more appropriate than an outright dictate that it is a Kosher rule.
	<br>(] (]) 18:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

	Sorry but I see no valid point, since HASHEM gave the jews the right to transform his laws into something that they could apply and have use off. The only jewish (some people whouldn't call them that) group i know of that feels this way about halacha is the ]. (probably some reform might see it like this but that would be odd..). I think wikipedia <b>have</b> to select a grounding that is able to teach and help people learn, that is ortodox and then make comparsions from that, or write subs that tell the view point of any other movement or group. ] (]) 16:37, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

	You have very false information Blambi. The Karites do NOT believe in changing G-d's laws, and no REAL Jew believes that G-d gave him the right to alter G-d's laws.... Where did you hear this nonsense? ] (]) 20:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

	Nonsense? These "laws" are nonsense. They did not come from any "God" but were made up by people! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:05, 16 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:This article is about the terms "''kashrut''" and "kosher". These terms overwhelmingly refer to the rules as set down by the Talmud and later Orthodox rabbis. According to Orthodox Judaism, the rabbis were and are the only authority given the right to interpret the Torah according to the traditions they received. These include the rabbinical tradition that dairy and meat was prohibited by the Torah itself and yes, that the rabbinical tradition goes back until Moses who received these traditions from God Himself. <big>] ] ]</big> 07:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

	::op is correct but Misplaced Pages doesn't care about truth but "verifiability" and some lies are verifiable ] (]) 18:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

	== Adding honey to the list ==

	From what I understand, honey is also kosher, although it is produced by the bee, which isn't kosher (of course producing endless amounts of discussion). Of course, there are many references in the scriptures to eating honey. Can honey be included in the list of kosher things to eat. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


	YES, honey is ALWAYS Kosher, by default. Any Rabbi who tells you otherwise needs to have his Smicha taken away! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	== What about mixing eggs with meat? ==
	Is it also unkosher to mix eggs and meat, specially poultry?
	If so, should eggs and meat be cooked separately? In different pans? With different utensils? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	It is permitted to cook eggs with meat together. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	==This article should be renamed==
	Per ] this article should be renamed to ]. Over 8 million Google hits for "kosher," only 243,000 for "kashrut." This is the English Misplaced Pages, and in the English-speaking word, "kosher" is the correct term. ] 15:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

	:The article is not about the term "kosher" which has a wider meaning, but is about just the applicability of such a concept to food. Kashrut specifically refers to food. ] (]) 15:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

	==This is out of place==
	The paragraph starting "In the summer of 2004, a controversy arose in New York City" is in the section "Non-Orthodox outlook", that is clearly the wrong place for it.

	Perhaps a new section on recent controversies would be more appropriate. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: I think it should be removed altogether. What is the point of it? There are so many "controversies" in kashrus. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

	::Slashed. ] \| ] 19:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
	== Junk Food and Soft Drinks? ==
	If one of the reasons for having Kashrut is to preserve health, why haven't the Biblical rules been updated for living in the 21st century? Soft drinks such as Coke, Pepsi and Sprite are full of sugar or corn syrup, many with caffeine and some with stimulants such as denatured cocaine. These drinks cause obesity, diabetes, tooth-decay, hyperactivity and are habit forming, and no mention of their deleterious effects is ever mentioned by the rabbis - why not? In fact, Coca Cola even makes a version of their product suitable for Passover. Junk foods full of hydrogenated oils should also be declared un-kosher due to their health risks.
	Also, if another reason for having Kashrut is to reach the laws of G-d, then why do the rules make no mention of products which oppress human beings in their manufacture? Coca Cola for example exploits workers and pollutes the environment in some countries (please see ], and yet Jews continue to buy and drink it.] (]) 01:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

	== Gelatin fix ==

	Under Ethical Eating, in the Vegetarianism section, the article states the following:
	On the other hand, kashrut does recognize some processes as capable of converting a meat or dairy product into a pareve one. For example, rennet is sometimes made from stomach linings, yet is acceptable for making kosher cheese, but such cheeses might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese made from a vegetarian rennet. The same applies to kosher gelatin, which is an animal product, despite its pareve status. Eggs are another food that is considered pareve despite being unsuitable for many vegetarians; Mayonnaise, for instance, is usually marked "pareve" despite nearly always containing egg.
	Gelatin derived from swine is prohibited. ] (]) 12:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
	== Kashrut vs Kosher? ==
	Since "Kosher" is the english version of "Kashrut", and since this is the "english" Misplaced Pages, and since everyone and their mother knows the word Kosher, what are the compelling reasons to list this article under "Kashrut"? For example, we talk about "Germany" in english Misplaced Pages, not "Deutschland".--] (]) 21:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
	: It's not. Kashrut is a noun and Kosher is an adjective. You could say that kashrut is the practice of keeping things kosher, but not the other way around. Kashrut laws tell us which foods are kosher, and not the other way around. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::So? ''Kosher'' is the ] for it in English. Plenty of articles are at adjectives—'']'', for one. It can easily be said the other way around: Kosher foods are those that adhere to kashrus. —] 22:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
	:::Yeah, according to Wiki conventions the article SHOULD be called "Kosher" but I don't expect it to ever be changed and if you try people will complain for no reason. Honestly, how many people search for Kashrut instead of Kosher when looking for this page. I would say not even a tenth. English Misplaced Pages so it should use the most common word in English.] (]) 14:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

	== {“Update”} request in 'Animal Welfare' section, and other ] issues ==

	This article contains 1978 research, regarding a controversial subject. I'm a biological researcher, and there are improvements in technology to measure animals' neurological reactions, and methodologies of WHAT to measure and HOW were most likely refined, during the past 3 decades LOL; compare to the recommendation of what is considered 'recent' research in the ] guidelines ("Look for reviews published in the last 5 years or so"). The next paragraph exposes even more faults besides the age of this study. The cited study may or may not be outdated...but is likely to be and therefore should be '''reviewed by someone with expertise _in this field_ (and who can show whether newer, and larger-scale, studies have confirmed or refuted this single study), please'''. I focus on a different area of bioscience, so I can notice the flaws but not repair them as time-efficiently as anyone who keeps current in this area of research.

	This article also fails to mention that the researchers themselves noted: “...critical essays on the effectiveness of current methods of stunning animals for slaughter are on the increase,” which is essentially the authors' acknowledgment that, in 1978, their conclusions were not strongly supported by others. (They did cite a few researchers who said one thing, but also a few researchers who had the opposite conclusion, suggesting a consensus wasn't clearly for nor against them). '''This source fails the tests of 2.2, 2.3, aaaaaand 2.4 of ]'''; but the question that's even more important is: Do its conclusions support the scientific consensus _''today''_? (MEDRS says it should, to be considered a worthy source.) If so, ]), and '''if the strength of results of their research were disputed by other experts, let alone from the researchers themselves, that should be noted in the article'''.

	'''It's probably more worthwhile to just start over with a recent ], rather than this single, 1978 research-group's study, as ] deprecates the latter...''' Unless someone wants to re-add this & address the above failure to meet several WP guidelines, the rest of my blathering is less important:

	This 1978 study was published in a respectable, peer-reviewed journal...but the point of peer-reviewed research is not to just say “hey, peer-reviewed research said so” but rather to look at the peers' reviews (the whole point of the peer review process is to read that feedback & adjust one's view of the initial research's validity, accordingly.), and then one needs to look at similar studies, esp more recent ones that have adjusted the methodology to correct for flaws that often are pointed out by peer-reviewers (i.e. look at the whole corpus from the scientific community, esp newer research...and this is best done by a Wikipedian whose area of expertise this is, rather than the religious website that takes a clear POV and is translating --perhaps with religious bias (another source of WP:RS problems?)-- this 1978 study. '''The 2nd paragraph of 2.2. of ] agrees with the basic contentions I'm making in this paragraph, but I'll just expand upon some of the reasons WHY it's good for WP to have that policy:''' (1.) I'll often see a layman's website which cites such outdated studies if the study supports the bias of the webmaster or group, who are laymen and desperately want to believe that their personal practices are great , and such groups are often tempted, subconsciously or not, to ] a certain study which reinforces their worldview, even if (2.) the study has been proven to be misleading by 5 or 10 newer, larger-scale, peer-reviewed-and-universally-approved studies, and (3.) sometimes, even the original researcher will update his own work --from, e.g., a 1978 study-- based on the feedback he received in the peer-review process which can cause him to re-publish a different conclusion, 2 or 3 years later...these are just a few of the reasons that it's crucial for someone with '''related''' research-experience to review, and {update} the whole paragraph if needed. ''Even most middle aged laypeople today remember the big scare about the dietary-cholesterol in eggs, so let's use that as an example: consider that anyone on teh interwebs could cite the old studies which 'proved' dietary-cholesterol, not saturated fat, is the most dangerous and caused the most 'bad' BLOOD-cholesterol, and thus they'd regenerate the panic about eggs from decades ago...except that that one was so well-publicized that people today know eggs --and DIETARY-cholesterol, more generally-- isn't '''that''' bad for you (not that I'm saying you should eat 6 eggs each day, here... ;) but '''more healthy''' than previously believed).'' Even if a study was peer-reviewed, in 3 decades it's likely to have been either confirmed by other researchers or else updated (refuted by heavy contrary evidence).

	: {{Update\|inaccurate=y}}
	: In 1978,{{MEDRS\|See “MEDRS” on Talk page}} a study incorporating EEG (]) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skulls of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by ] ''et al.'' at the ] in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals), but that when ] (CBS) was used, which is common in normal (non-kosher) slaughtering,<ref>Schulze W, Schultze-Petzold H, Hazem AS, Gross R. Experiments for the objectification of pain and consciousness during conventional (captive bolt stunning) and religiously mandated ("ritual cutting") slaughter procedures for sheep and calves. ''Deutsche Tierärztliche Wochenschrift'' 1978 Feb 5;85(2):62–6. </ref>{{MEDRS\|See “MEDRS” on Talk page}} "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli."

	N.B.: The researchers cite the 1972 animal ("Tier") law and noted that animals must be stunned; Germany today allows slaughter without stunning, for ritual slaughter only, as a good citation shows in the "Germany" section of ]. This most likely creates another fault, because In this study the animals appear to have been stunned before the aforementioned “ritual cut” and kosher butchers throughout Europe may be exempted from that precaution in REAL-WORLD kashrut practice,<ref> "European Convention for the Protection of Animals for Slaughter": "Each Contracting Party may authorize derogations from the provisions concerning prior stunning in the following cases: – slaughtering in accordance with religious rituals ..."</ref> '''<--The same "painless" results achieved in this study are not necessarily achieved in pragmatic, real-world practice by Rabbis. This fact should also be noted in the article, even if this citation's other short-comings can be addressed and it is re-added.-->''' The failure to stun the animals is an issue that provokes accusations of cruelty in and of itself.<ref></ref> (I'd need to read it more fully before I'd put my word on the following; sorry but this study doesn't report its results nearly so well as most research reports I've read; not sure if it's a bad translation or what.) The researchers appear to suggest that the "reformed" law should ban stun-less slaughter (and the last 2 citations show that is not banned today): "This binding general provision of the TierSchG must equally be the basis of the reformed Law on slaughter." As the third and final critique in this paragraph: Study doesn't appear to attempt to measure pain during the stunning process, only during the death process? (Again, I wouldn't put my word on the 3 critiques IN THIS PARAGRAPH, but this source doesn't meet WP content policies due to the other reasons, above this paragraph.) The actual "ritual cut" (death) may be "painless," but this study does not address the Animal Welfare concerns if the animal is in severe pain as he's being stunned and they don't measure the animal's pain as he's being stunned, only after he is stunned (i.e. as he's being killed). (I'd need to read it more before saying that I'd put my word on that...but first, several other issues, identified above this paragraph, need to be addressed for it to simply even meet WP's content guidelines). ] (]) 22:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

	== External Link – “Laws of Judaism” ==

	The external link, “Laws of Judaism Concerning Food” at is a thoroughly documented, detailed and useful reference site. It has apparently been listed on this page as an external link for years at its previous location, , which was labeled “Dietary laws from the <i>Torah </i>and the Code of Maimonides (<i>Mishneh Torah</i>).” The URL was updated to its new location and that caused it to be immediately deleted as a “personal website.” I have reversed the deletion for these reasons. Please do not delete it again without further discussion. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:It is a personal website alright.
	:It contains some source material. Maimonides is not the final word on practical Jewish law.
	:If it was an actual reference, it wouldn't be in the "external links" section.
	:Could you please read ] and attempt to understand my position? ] \| ] 21:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

	== Table ==

	I've added this table as someone has put a lot of work into it and it looks useful. Quite possibly it needs further work, but please don't just delete on reflex. ] (]) 07:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

	== Regarding vegetarian/vegan and kosher foods ==

	This statement is errant: "Strict vegetarians, Muslims, Hindus, and people with allergies to dairy foods, often consider the kosher-parve designation as an assurance that a food contains no animal-derived ingredients, including milk and all of its derivatives."

	Kosher foods are NOT necessarily animal-free as they can contain fish (and possibly egg) ingredients. Thus, strict vegetarians (which I assume means vegan?) cannot rely on the kosher-parve label to be sure a product has no animal-derived ingredients. An example is marshmallows made with fish gelatin that contains no dairy or egg products. ] (]) 15:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

	:The statement does not assert that Kosher foods are necessarily animal-free. It asserts that strict vegetarians often consider the kosher-parve designation as an assurance this is the case. The cited source supports that, saying, "Only two million of the kosher consumers are Jewish. The other eight-plus million are people who choose to eat kosher for religious (Moslems), idealistic (Vegans and Vegetarians), and health reasons." ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 05:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

	== Source ==

	{{ISBN\|0899061036}} () seems to be a good secondary source to support the slightly more technical aspects. It also has a good list of all forbidden foods and mixtures in its introduction. ] \| ] 08:48, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

	== Edit reverted ==

	I've reverted edit, for which no source was provided. These two sources seem to counter it:





	Also of some relevance might be the article ]. ] (]) 15:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

	== Some updating ==

	I have finally found the time to provide a general list of ''all'' kashrut prohibitions, which is quite effectively summed up in the first chapter of Forst's 1994 "Pischei Halacha" published by ArtScroll/Mesorah. Some of the laws could benefit from more direct sourcing to Biblical laws whereever possible to clarify beyond doubt what the origin of each law is.

	I have also reshuffled a lot of the other content without modifying the text. Some time ago someone shuffled everything around and made all sections level 2. This led to complete chaos. I have now tried to arrange everything conceptually (e.g. everything relating to supervision and marketing into one section).

	With regards to sourcing, we still have a long way to go. Forst is a pretty good secondary source, and once I get my hands on a copy of Grunfeld's work we can use that also. Other suggestions for secondary sources are welcomed. ] \| ] 12:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)



	just a supplimentary note of an error for updating/revising(?). this article frequently makes reference to rabbitical and biblilcal passages for support. the problem is with the usage of "biblical". judiasm does not believe in the christian bible so this phrasing is out of place and perhaps insulting. and christians are not kosher and are not required to be (which again makes this phrasing out of place). perhaps reference should be to jewish scriptures or the torah instead of the bible. for ex. "origin of the prohibition (Biblical or rabbinical)" should instead replace `biblical' with: torah/tanakh/masoretic text or miqra or something appropriate. the biblical references should be replaced with the jewish equivalent, or at least supplimented with it. ] (]) 19:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

	== traif? ==

	So, why does "]" redirect here, when this article doesn't even have the word in it anywhere?? I saw it mentioned in an article elsewhere, and wiktionary was useless, so I tried wikipedia to find out what it is. It redirects here, which is another dead end, because unless you already know what it is, you can't tell what part of this article relates to it. ] (]) 15:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

	:it's in the 3rd sentence of the lead. fairly prominent. ] (]) 18:27, 1 February 2012 (UTC)!
	::Now redirects to ] which is a short article. ] ] 01:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

	== Animal welfare concerns section ==
	This article is missing this section while the Halal article has the section which mentions both Kosher as well as Halal.
	Maybe both articles should have this section rather than just the Halal one? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:]. ] ] 01:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

	:I agree. Animal advocates have engaged frequently with the issue of ritual slaughter (in both Kashrut and Dhabihah forms) and are a major factor in how these slaughter methods are perceived by society. Users "Gavin" and ] argued above in 2009 about the proper way to characterize the perspective of animal rights (or animal welfare) advocates in this article; it appears that this perspective is no longer represented at all in the current version of the article. However, because shechita has its own page, I think this could be settled by giving a clear "main article" link under the "Kosher slaughter" heading. ] (]) 00:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Not applicable to non-Jews ==

	Removed a sentence from the prohibited foods list that read "considered applicable even to non-Jews", since by definition it doesn't, and had been twice questioned (clarify, citation). Rather than add a third question (who?), I removed it instead. Do not reinstate it unless you can cite why a Jewish law applies to non-jews, who says so, and why this line and not others. Also, trhere are many needed sources for comments on this section. Should perhaps be revised by a knowledgeable NPOV editor. ] (]) 03:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

	: On second reading, this section at the moment includes a number of ''Rabbinically''(sic) prohibited foods without any citation of source, Rabbi or rationale. They seem to originate several months past, but typing patterns (lack of ending period, tacked to end of sentence) suggest a common editor. I have removed them by being bold regarding unsourced statements, and changes are visible in the history (in brief: non-Jewish milk/cheese/bread/wine, things that apply outside Israel). Someone knowledgeable in the topic should review the ''Forst'' citation to see if it applies to any of these items. Please reinstate if sourced and justified. ] (]) 04:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

	::I am the editor who included the content based on the Forst source. This is a highly authoritative work on the practical aspects of Kashrut. There is such a thing as a rabbinical prohibition (usually enacted as a safeguard against a Biblical transgression or another). In previous versions of the article, these laws were sourced to the relevant section of the ], but seeing that this could be construed as a primary source I preferred to use a secondary source in English.
	::As for dietary laws applying to non-Jews, ''ever min ha-chai'' (a limb torn from a living animal) applies to non-Jews as it was Biblically ordained to Noah (considered the forefather of all mankind) - see Genesis 9:4. Its applicability in practice is based on Talmud Sanhedrin 56b, Maimonides (''Yad'', the Laws of Kings chapter 8) and subsequent works. This is not actually controversial. ] \| ] 21:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

	"This is not actually controversial." What??? These dietary "law" are not laws but neurotic proscriptions applicable only to those taken in by them. You can say that Noah is "considered the forefather of all mankind" but that does not make it so. We don't come from Noah! Looked at objectively this entire topic is utter nonsense. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:I added clarification. And by the way, this article is about Jewish law, and Jewish law acknowledges that according to the Hebrew Bible, all current members of the human race are descendants of Noah. <big>] ] ]</big> 08:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

	==Purity and Danger==
	How is it that a work so influential is completely overlooked here?<br />
	See here:<br />
	http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/douglas.htm <br /><br />
	Secondary Sources:<br />

	http://www.oup.com/us/companion.websites/9780195189766/student_resources/Supp_chap_mats/Chap13/Abominations_Leviticus/<br />

	http://en.wikipedia.org/Purity_and_Danger<br />] (]) 22:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

	==Primary source citation request==

	{{quotation\|Scholar Lester L. Grabbe, writing in the Oxford Bible Commentary on Leviticus, states that "n explanation now almost universally rejected is that the laws in this section have hygiene as their basis. Although some of the laws of ritual purity roughly correspond to modern ideas of physical cleanliness, many of them have little to do with hygiene. For example, there is no evidence that the 'unclean' animals are intrinsically bad to eat or to be avoided in a Mediterranean climate, as is sometimes asserted."}}

	Is anyone able to find Grabbe's sources for this claim? I think a citation or reference to them would really improve this section.] (]) 22:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

	:Not necessarily. ] are preferred over the primary sources. If someone has access to the work, perhaps they could be so kind as to respond to your request. ] \| ] 17:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

	== Samaritan Torah ==

	{{u\|Aleksig6}} has twice added a statement about a passage in the Samaritan Torah to the information about ''basar be-chalav''. The relevance of this addition is unclear. There seems to be a suggestion that this places the prohibition in the category of idolatry. That is not the mainstream Jewish thought, even for Maimonides (who makes this statement about numerous other prohibitions). ] \| ] 15:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
	:Where should I put it. Its important piece of information that clarifies the prohibition. SP is considered an extremely important manuscript so it should be included. ] (]) 00:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

	::{{u\|Aleksig6}} It might be a historically important manuscript but I am really unsure why it is relevant here. I would argue that in the present context it should not be included on the grounds of ]. ] \| ] 20:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

	::: I agree. I'd like to add that in general, I see little relevance in Samaritan sources regarding mainstream Judaism. ] (]) 23:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

	:::: Debresser, Jfdwolff So can you please answer my question? Where can I put it? I am afraid of editing anything else because it pisses off so much people. How about "Samaritan Torah" article? Can I put it there? Also, it is my understanding that minority sources must be included in Misplaced Pages article if all primary sources provide the same opinion. At least it was my understanding. Also, Samaritans is a significant and well accepted group of Hebrews, so I do not understand why you do not want to include their opinion, unless you are pro-Judaism or have some kind of agenda... ] (]) 16:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

	:::It is something that would be best discussed on ]. It should not be included here for reasons of ]. I would also suggest that you don't reinsert the content until we can achieve some sort of consensus.
	:::For reference, the article being quoted is ]. It is about the entire context of the prohibition, so perhaps you might consider adding it to ]. ] \| ] 12:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
	== European Kosher meat tax ==

	The claim in the article that ''In some European communities there is a special tax imposed on the purchase of kosher meat to help support the community's educational institutions''. I find very questionable, I know of such a tax in 18th+19th century Germany, but such a tax in any modern EEC country ''(most of Europe)'' would almost certainly be illegal from my understanding. The source is J-weekly/Jerusalem post quoting a European Jewish organisation spokesman. At the least, if it is true that SOME countries charge such a tax, should they not be named and a better, more local source found. ] (]) 19:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC) … … Having read I wonder whether this a Jewish community imposed 'tax', rather than a 'national tax', the general use of 'tax', if so I think it should be made clear. ] (]) 19:48, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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	:*"generally": Single-serving breads that are known generally to be dairy, say, are allowed by most authorities. That is why ]s with dairy hechshers are allowed.		:*"generally": Single-serving breads that are known generally to be dairy, say, are allowed by most authorities. That is why ]s with dairy hechshers are allowed.
	:Decide how you'd like to address my proposed changes, then feel free to put it in the article (without the underlines and strikeouts). ] (]) 16:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)		:Decide how you'd like to address my proposed changes, then feel free to put it in the article (without the underlines and strikeouts). ] (]) 16:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

			::{{ping\|StevenJ81}}
			::*"considered" - I don't really like it. If Jewish law considers it pareve, then, for the purposes of this entry on Jewish dietary laws, it is parve. But I'll leave it in as the previous version had it too.
			::* you definitely improved it. But I think the entire part about vegetarians should be taken out. The parve article goes into it. And obviously kosher animal derived gelatin is not vegetarian.
			::*"generally" good catch
			::] (]) 18:53, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

			:::{{like}} ]. --] (]) 22:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

			== The 1/60th Rule ==

			], I think that an extra section for the kashrut law of "''Bateil BeShishim'' - One In Sixty parts" is needed.
			Here are some links that can be for help:
			*
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			Thanks and cheers. --] (]) 23:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

			:Hi there {{ping\|תנא קמא}} I personally believe the Misplaced Pages entry should focus on the general facets of the biblical commandment and the rabbinical additions, rather than the more specific laws of kosher. The 1/60 rule is just getting into details. ] (]) 06:46, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

			::{{ping\|Hydromania}}, you tagged the ] section for clarification, as it mentions this law, and needs elaboration. --] (]) 13:59, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

			:::{{ping\|תנא קמא}} The genetically modified foods section needs a rewrite. I haven't found any sources which explain both sides of the question. That specific part should probably just say something like 'it's kosher because the gene is a miniscule part of the fish, and the fish still resembles a kosher fish' as the OU says and drop the 1/60 rule entirely ] (]) 22:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

			== Tobacco ==

			I would suggest reading the sources before deleting cited content. The sources discuss tobacco that is certified Kosher for Passover in Israel. This is because tobacco is considered to contain ingredients forbidden during Passover. Maybe there is a better article for this, but I don't know which that is. Maybe I can revise the content and move it to the Passover section. Cannabis issue same, not only for eating, but debate about whether it is a legume. Please do not make things up. ] (]) 17:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
			:It has nothing to do with kashruth of dietary, it has to do with chametz issues. I suggest you check your attitude. This article is on the dietary issues of kosher laws, not on chametz issues. Tobacco has no dietary issues and as such does not belong here. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
			::Of course certification is an issue for this article, not only a theoretical dispute that certification has expanded beyond what ''should be'' covered by ''kashrut''. For this you have presented no supporting sources. To add such commentary would be valuable, if there are supporting sources. However, deletion is not appropriate here, ] (]) 19:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

			== Merger proposal ==
			I propose merging the page ] into this one.
			*] applies to food. Kosher foods are foods which kashrut permits or prohibits. '''The subject is exactly the same'''.
			*As written now, they both cover the same ground.
			*I have not found ''any'' discussion on why there are two pages for the same subject.
			*As the older more stable page (former FA, GA) Kashrut should be the surviving article
			*The name can be discussed. Kashrut is more accurate, Kosher is more prevalent. However, note that this has been discussed many times previously and hasn't been changed. Any new discussion should be '''after the merger'''.
			*One argument to make is that the Kashrut page is too long and clunky. I agree to an extent, and believe that after we merge any useful information from kosher foods into this one we should work on spinning of some of the sections into subpages.
			] (]) 06:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

			* I don't know. Kosher foods is more about the various foods themselves, while this article is more about about the institution of how to certify them. There is a certain overlap between the two, but that is not yet a reason to merge. Another good reason not to merge is that both article are not that small, and a merged article would be quite large, see ]. ] (]) 09:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
			:: Kashrut article is not only foods, it includes manufacturing equipment and details not usually discussed in food articles. Only question is overlap with Jewish cuisine, but this will be controversial and some sources exist to say it does not have to be kosher cuisine to be Jewish.] (]) 19:11, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
			::: Debresser: But it isn't really. That article is ]. This one has more on the foods than it does on certification or philosophy. ] (]) 02:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

			* Yeah, this is a tough one. The Kosher foods article focuses more heavily on the foods themselves. It would make for a very long and unwieldy article. Slightly '''oppose.''' --] (]) 14:12, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

			* It seemed to me when I looked that there was more than a little overlap. I'd '''favor''' merging. But if we're going to say "no" to this, I would strongly suggest that we try to define the boundary between the two articles, rationalize the content of each appropriately, and add hatnotes describing the difference. ] (]) 23:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

			* So no consensus (or no involvement?). I reiterate that it makes little sense to have two articles on the same subject. In regards to the "too large" argument, as noted in the start of this thread I sort of agree, but note that the entire kosher food article is not much longer than the laws of kashrut section on this page and most of the items there are discussed in that section already.
			::Otherwise we can go with ]'s proposal. ] (]) 02:19, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

			* Oppose. This issue decided above on April 7, 2018 request. ] (]) 01:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC) One is a Jewish religion concept and the other an English word definition of food.

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			== Restrictions on food produced by non-Jews? ==

			Prefaced that I live in an (often conservative) Ashkenazi community, I’ve never heard of this my whole life while I knew about the other rules before I turned ~7. Maybe I and most of the internet just missed something, but these are way too obscure to be in the same bullet-list as the others. As such, I’m adding (minor) next to them and wouldn’t be surprised if someone else demoted them to (obscure) at some point ] (]) 22:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

			== A section about the various organizations that certify foods to be kosher ==

			There are many organizations that claim some authority to certify foods as kosher. I think it would be useful for somebody to write at least a paragraph about the different organizations that do this. Are they recognized by different Jewish religious streams? Sometimes I see two kosher logos, but I do not remember ever seeing more than two. ] (]) 17:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

			:This is an extremely complicated subject that I think if we tried to tackle would have to be its own page. Re: different streams, yes, but there are multiple dimensions. Expensive ritual items like shmurah Matzah are likely to have many symbols. Some symbols are recognized by some ''denominations'' but not others, others are identified with a particular ''ethnic tradition'', and a great many are strictly Orthodox but nonetheless understood to be untrustworthy. For example, ] is a ] symbol and not relied upon by Orthodox Jews. ] is a Sephardic hechser, which is not relied upon by Ashkenazim in areas of known disagreement. ] has always been run by strictly Orthodox Jews but is banned by major Orthodox rabbinic authorities. Some Hasidic sects, such as ], theoretically restrict adherents to their own in-house symbol. There's a lot of politics involved. The ] maintains a list of recommended symbols . ] (]) 20:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
			::There is a linked article ] which contains a list of major organizations. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::Thanks for the tip about ]. From there, I found a link to ]. That article covered the material I thought was helpful. Thanks! ] (]) 22:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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			== Snails ==

			Snails as food (escargot) I assume would not be Kosher but I'm not clear on this. ] (]) 08:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

			:Snails are not kosher. See ] for more. ] (]) 23:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

			== The tem mehadrin is missing ==

			One looks it up, the DAB page sends here, and then - nada. ] (]) 10:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

			== Medicines? ==

			Are all medicines accepted as kosher, or are there some that are not acceptable? Is this worth including in the article? ] (]) 21:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

			:All medicines are kosher due to the principle of Pikuach Nefesh ] (]) 19:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Kashrut by only ONE sect ==

			This article is quite extensive, but, applies only to one sect of Judaism. While the Ashkenazi thought within the Rabbinic sect is the largest and most referred-to, this is not the do-all-end-all of rules and regulations, especially for the discussion of kosher eating. This article expresses only ONE interpretation of the eating commandments in the Torah. Minor differences are inclusive of the comparison between Ashkenazi and Sephardic rules and several other larger differences between Ashkenazi and Karaite and other lesser forms of Jewish observance including Samaritans. This is not a complete and comprehensive reference for Kashrut. ] (]) 04:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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See the discussion on the topic of this article at the talk page of related article, Talk:Halal § Animal rights topic categories. Rasnaboy (talk) 15:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 7 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:11, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Kashrut → Kosher – Per the Misplaced Pages article naming conventions at WP:COMMONNAME, an article's title should be the common English name for the topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Comment: It certainly appears that the topic of this article is the dietary laws themselves, for which "kashrut" is the common English spelling of the term. ONR (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Comment: "Kosher laws" is a far more common English term for the dietary laws themselves than "Kashrut". I'm not sure that "Kashrut" is even considered to be a proper English word by the article, as the article italicizes the term throughout the article, signifying that it's a foreign word rather than an English word. Moving the article to Kosher laws is another possibility. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:TITLE/WP:NOUN. The proposed title does not reflect the topic of the article and is an adjective rather than a noun. According to the article, kashrut is a set of Jewish religious dietary laws, while the adjective that describes food that may be consumed is kosher. The article deals with the dietary laws and not merely foods that are kosher. In print sources (and Google web searches), the term "kosher laws" is far less common than "kashrut" according to this Google ngram. If there is really a problem with the current title, a descriptive like Jewish dietary laws would be a better choice. — AjaxSmack 01:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Kosher foods is also about Jewish dietary laws. IMO, that's a better title. Merriam Webster spells this word as "kashruth" and defines it as "the state of being kosher." Nine Zulu queens (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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Seventh-Day Adventists

Why is the postion of the Seventh-day Adventists on breakfast cereals relevant to the lead of the page on Jewish dietary laws?

If no one objects, I'll remove it.

Hydromania (talk) 09:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

rewrite of "Pareve foods" section

I think the pareve foods section needs a rewrite. Below is the the section as it stands now followed by my proposed changes.

Pareve foods

Some processes convert a meat or dairy product into a pareve (neither meat nor dairy) one. For example, rennet is sometimes made from stomach linings, yet is acceptable for making kosher cheese, but such cheeses might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese made from a vegetarian rennet. The same applies to kosher gelatin, an animal product, derived from kosher animal sources. Other gelatin-like products from non-animal sources such as agar agar and carrageenan are pareve by nature. Fish gelatin is derived from fish and is therefore (like all kosher fish products) pareve. Eggs are also considered pareve despite being an animal product. Bread is often prepared without dairy to be pareve.

Kashrut has procedures by which equipment can be cleaned of its previous non-kosher use, but that might be inadequate for those with allergies, vegetarians, or adherents to other religious statutes. For example, dairy manufacturing equipment can be cleaned well enough that the rabbis grant pareve status to products manufactured with it. Nevertheless, someone with a strong allergic sensitivity to dairy products might still react to the dairy residue, and that is why some products that are legitimately pareve carry "milk" warnings.

References

The rennet must be kosher, either microbial or from special productions of animal rennet using kosher calf stomachs.Oukosher.org Archived 2012-03-06 at the Wayback Machine, Retrieved August 10, 2005.
"Meat, Dairy and Pareve". OK Kosher Certification. Retrieved March 15, 2013.
"Dairy Bread – Lo Basi Ela L’Orer"
"Kosher Consumer Misconsumptions". Star-K. Retrieved March 15, 2013.

Pareve foods

Main article: Pareve

A Pareve (or Parve) food is one which is neither meat nor dairy. Fish fall into this category, as well as any food which is not animal-derived.

Eggs are also considered pareve despite being an animal product.

Some processes convert a meat or dairy derived product into a pareve one. For example, rennet is sometimes made from stomach linings, yet is acceptable for making kosher cheese. ~~but such cheeses might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese made from a vegetarian rennet.~~ Gelatin derived from kosher animal sources (which were ritually slaughtered) are also pareve. Such cheese and gelatin might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese or gelatin made from a vegetarian sources.

Other gelatin-like products from non-animal sources such as agar agar and carrageenan are pareve by nature. Fish gelatin, like all kosher fish products, is pareve.

Jewish law generally requires that bread be kept parve (i.e., not kneaded with meat or dairy products, or made on meat or dairy equipment).

Kashrut has procedures by which equipment can be cleaned of its previous non-kosher or meat/dairy use, but those may be inadequate for vegetarians, those with allergies, or adherents to other religious statutes. For example, dairy manufacturing equipment can be cleaned well enough that the rabbis grant pareve status to products manufactured with it but someone with a strong allergic sensitivity to dairy products might still react to the dairy residue. That is why some products that are legitimately pareve carry "milk" warnings.

Hydromania (talk) 00:28, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

References

"Meat, Dairy and Pareve". OK Kosher Certification. Retrieved March 15, 2013.
The rennet must be kosher, either microbial or from special productions of animal rennet using kosher calf stomachs.Oukosher.org Archived 2012-03-06 at the Wayback Machine, Retrieved August 10, 2005.
"Kosher Gelatin:How a Product from Beef Can be Used in Dairy Delicacies". OU Kosher. Retrieved February 7, 2019.
"WITH THE SWEAT OF THOU BROW SHALL THOU EAT BREAD"
"Kosher Consumer Misconsumptions". Star-K. Retrieved March 15, 2013.

@Hydromania: I'm basically fine with your proposal, which I think definitely improves the section. Using underline and strikeout, I made some edits:

"considered" (my style, I guess)
unacceptable to vegetarians—presumably applies to the gelatin issue, too, so I reordered a little, even though it separates meat-derived gelatin from vegetable-derived products. I added a paragraph break, but I don't feel strongly about that.
"generally": Single-serving breads that are known generally to be dairy, say, are allowed by most authorities. That is why English muffins with dairy hechshers are allowed.

Decide how you'd like to address my proposed changes, then feel free to put it in the article (without the underlines and strikeouts). StevenJ81 (talk) 16:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81:

"considered" - I don't really like it. If Jewish law considers it pareve, then, for the purposes of this entry on Jewish dietary laws, it is parve. But I'll leave it in as the previous version had it too.
you definitely improved it. But I think the entire part about vegetarians should be taken out. The parve article goes into it. And obviously kosher animal derived gelatin is not vegetarian.
"generally" good catch

Hydromania (talk) 18:53, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Like Hydromania. --תנא קמא (talk) 22:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

The 1/60th Rule

Hi, I think that an extra section for the kashrut law of "Bateil BeShishim - One In Sixty parts" is needed. Here are some links that can be for help:

Thanks and cheers. --תנא קמא (talk) 23:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi there @תנא קמא: I personally believe the Misplaced Pages entry should focus on the general facets of the biblical commandment and the rabbinical additions, rather than the more specific laws of kosher. The 1/60 rule is just getting into details. Hydromania (talk) 06:46, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Hydromania:, you tagged the Kashrut#Genetically_modified_foods section for clarification, as it mentions this law, and needs elaboration. --תנא קמא (talk) 13:59, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@תנא קמא: The genetically modified foods section needs a rewrite. I haven't found any sources which explain both sides of the question. That specific part should probably just say something like 'it's kosher because the gene is a miniscule part of the fish, and the fish still resembles a kosher fish' as the OU says here and drop the 1/60 rule entirely Hydromania (talk) 22:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Tobacco

I would suggest reading the sources before deleting cited content. The sources discuss tobacco that is certified Kosher for Passover in Israel. This is because tobacco is considered to contain ingredients forbidden during Passover. Maybe there is a better article for this, but I don't know which that is. Maybe I can revise the content and move it to the Passover section. Cannabis issue same, not only for eating, but debate about whether it is a legume. Please do not make things up. Shofet tsaddiq (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with kashruth of dietary, it has to do with chametz issues. I suggest you check your attitude. This article is on the dietary issues of kosher laws, not on chametz issues. Tobacco has no dietary issues and as such does not belong here. Sir Joseph 19:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Of course certification is an issue for this article, not only a theoretical dispute that certification has expanded beyond what should be covered by kashrut. For this you have presented no supporting sources. To add such commentary would be valuable, if there are supporting sources. However, deletion is not appropriate here, Shofet tsaddiq (talk) 19:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging the page Kosher foods into this one.

Kashrut applies to food. Kosher foods are foods which kashrut permits or prohibits. The subject is exactly the same.
As written now, they both cover the same ground.
I have not found any discussion on why there are two pages for the same subject.
As the older more stable page (former FA, GA) Kashrut should be the surviving article
The name can be discussed. Kashrut is more accurate, Kosher is more prevalent. However, note that this has been discussed many times previously here here here and hasn't been changed. Any new discussion should be after the merger.
One argument to make is that the Kashrut page is too long and clunky. I agree to an extent, and believe that after we merge any useful information from kosher foods into this one we should work on spinning of some of the sections into subpages.

Hydromania (talk) 06:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't know. Kosher foods is more about the various foods themselves, while this article is more about about the institution of how to certify them. There is a certain overlap between the two, but that is not yet a reason to merge. Another good reason not to merge is that both article are not that small, and a merged article would be quite large, see Misplaced Pages:Article size. Debresser (talk) 09:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Kashrut article is not only foods, it includes manufacturing equipment and details not usually discussed in food articles. Only question is overlap with Jewish cuisine, but this will be controversial and some sources exist to say it does not have to be kosher cuisine to be Jewish.Shofet tsaddiq (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Debresser: But it isn't really. That article is Hechsher. This one has more on the foods than it does on certification or philosophy. Hydromania (talk) 02:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, this is a tough one. The Kosher foods article focuses more heavily on the foods themselves. It would make for a very long and unwieldy article. Slightly oppose. --FeldBum (talk) 14:12, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

It seemed to me when I looked that there was more than a little overlap. I'd favor merging. But if we're going to say "no" to this, I would strongly suggest that we try to define the boundary between the two articles, rationalize the content of each appropriately, and add hatnotes describing the difference. StevenJ81 (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

So no consensus (or no involvement?). I reiterate that it makes little sense to have two articles on the same subject. In regards to the "too large" argument, as noted in the start of this thread I sort of agree, but note that the entire kosher food article is not much longer than the laws of kashrut section on this page and most of the items there are discussed in that section already.

Otherwise we can go with StevenJ81's proposal. Hydromania (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Oppose. This issue decided above on April 7, 2018 request. Eschoryii (talk) 01:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC) One is a Jewish religion concept and the other an English word definition of food.

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Restrictions on food produced by non-Jews?

Prefaced that I live in an (often conservative) Ashkenazi community, I’ve never heard of this my whole life while I knew about the other rules before I turned ~7. Maybe I and most of the internet just missed something, but these are way too obscure to be in the same bullet-list as the others. As such, I’m adding (minor) next to them and wouldn’t be surprised if someone else demoted them to (obscure) at some point Makhnoboi19 (talk) 22:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

A section about the various organizations that certify foods to be kosher

There are many organizations that claim some authority to certify foods as kosher. I think it would be useful for somebody to write at least a paragraph about the different organizations that do this. Are they recognized by different Jewish religious streams? Sometimes I see two kosher logos, but I do not remember ever seeing more than two. Pete unseth (talk) 17:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

This is an extremely complicated subject that I think if we tried to tackle would have to be its own page. Re: different streams, yes, but there are multiple dimensions. Expensive ritual items like shmurah Matzah are likely to have many symbols. Some symbols are recognized by some denominations but not others, others are identified with a particular ethnic tradition, and a great many are strictly Orthodox but nonetheless understood to be untrustworthy. For example, Magen Tzedek is a Conservative Jewish symbol and not relied upon by Orthodox Jews. Badatz Beit Yosef is a Sephardic hechser, which is not relied upon by Ashkenazim in areas of known disagreement. Tablet-K has always been run by strictly Orthodox Jews but is banned by major Orthodox rabbinic authorities. Some Hasidic sects, such as Bobov, theoretically restrict adherents to their own in-house symbol. There's a lot of politics involved. The Chicago Rabbinical Council maintains a list of recommended symbols here. GordonGlottal (talk) 20:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

There is a linked article Hechsher which contains a list of major organizations. Sir Joseph 20:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about Hechsher. From there, I found a link to Kosher certification agency. That article covered the material I thought was helpful. Thanks! Pete unseth (talk) 22:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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Snails

Snails as food (escargot) I assume would not be Kosher but I'm not clear on this. 24.51.192.49 (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Snails are not kosher. See Unclean animal for more. GordonGlottal (talk) 23:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

The tem mehadrin is missing

One looks it up, the DAB page sends here, and then - nada. Arminden (talk) 10:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Medicines?

Are all medicines accepted as kosher, or are there some that are not acceptable? Is this worth including in the article? Pete unseth (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

All medicines are kosher due to the principle of Pikuach Nefesh Haplodiploid75 (talk) 19:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Kashrut by only ONE sect

This article is quite extensive, but, applies only to one sect of Judaism. While the Ashkenazi thought within the Rabbinic sect is the largest and most referred-to, this is not the do-all-end-all of rules and regulations, especially for the discussion of kosher eating. This article expresses only ONE interpretation of the eating commandments in the Torah. Minor differences are inclusive of the comparison between Ashkenazi and Sephardic rules and several other larger differences between Ashkenazi and Karaite and other lesser forms of Jewish observance including Samaritans. This is not a complete and comprehensive reference for Kashrut. Rjcb3 (talk) 04:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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