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By the authority of the Special Administrative region of Hong Kong, I David Huckerby of 19 Tin Yan Road do hereby state that I, deposited with Hang Seng bank, the sum of $US 28,000,000.00 (twenty eight million dollars) for safe keeping and custody pending the time for collection by the undermentioned person. |
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The photo is very old. Can someone replace it with a more updated one, representative of the current HK skyline? --] |
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C'on, the skyline's been changed quite a bit. The observatory (or whatever it's called) at Tsim Sha Tsui was still under contruction when this photo was taken. --] 06:19, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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:Oh wait, this is not from Victoria Peak. But still, it's not a good view. --] |
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== Map == |
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We need a map showing bridges and tunnels, to avoid a wrong impression about the connectedness of the islands with the mainland, or we can edit the map. - ] 19:34, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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: "(bridges and tunnels not shown)" - what's the point in saying that? It's obvious they aren't shown - just look at it and the absence of brigdes and tunnels is obvious. None of our other maps show bridges or tunnels, why the need to point it out here? ] 19:47, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC). |
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:: The remark below the map is of course intended for people who do not know that there are bridges or tunnels, and from the map get the wrong impression that there are none (most maps show them). My remark above applies also for Singapore, Denmark and Sweden, perhaps a few more. Surprisingly the CIA map of the UK does show the tunnel. - ] 20:08, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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I added 9 bridges and tunnels to the CIA map. Can a sysop please remove the protection, then I can remove my map caption which is no longer applicable. - ] 21:19, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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:Unprotected, map caption removed. ] 21:32, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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Who protected the page? ] 22:07, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC). |
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== Greenery == |
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We currently have:<br> |
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:''Despite the population density, Hong Kong was reported to be one of the greenest cities in Asia. The majority of people live in flats in high-rise buildings. The rest of the open spaces are often covered with parks, woods and shrubs. The vertical placement of the population explains why densely populated, green city is not an oxymoronic phrase. ''<br> |
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Does anyone else think this is somewhat misleading? If you look at the entire territory of Hong Kong (HK Island + New Territories), then yes, there is a lot of open green space. But to a visitor standing in typical locations such as Central, Tsim Sha Tsui, Wan Chai, or Yau Ma Tei, there's not much green to be found. ] 15:33, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC) |
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:I agree, Jpo. I am a Hong Kong citizen and I've been living here since I was born. When you look around in an urban area, you really can't see much green except in those small Parks (公園) built in the middle of some residential areas. It is true, though, that there are many open green space in the New Territories and the surrounding islands which offer natural habitats for wild life (e.g. Mai Po Marshes Nature Reserve, or 米埔自然護理區), but it is surely misleading if you say there is much green space in the urban area. --] 15:33, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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== Area in the infobox is confusing == |
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isnt it true that vast numbers of hong kongers went to vancouver BC just before 1997? |
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The real area is 1114 km2. And you're showing more than double of that because you're counting all the surrounding waters. Since when do we count the sea as part of the area of a territorial entity? ] (]) 21:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC) |
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to ], don't you read SCMP? "Hongkonger" appears every day. |
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== Hong Kong Elections == |
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== Low quality of Etymology section == |
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"However, the majority of media and democratic parties criticised that the election is a falsification of democracy, in which all 400 legitimate voters for chief executive are selected by the China Government to ensure the Beijing-appointed candidate were elected. During Tung's run for second term in 2002, he was the only one candidate in the election that made him apparently unopposed for election. |
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This section was written long ago. It is full of misinformation and more accurate information are not put in the article. The etymology of Hong Kong/香港 have been studied in deep since the mid 20th century with handful of scholars writing papers and books on the topic in Hong Kong. It deserves a better rewrite. |
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# Missing essential information. The name 香港 was known in 16th century during Ming Dynasty. See the source ''Empson, Hal (1992). Mapping Hong Kong: A Historical Atlas. Government Information Services. OCLC 29939947'', which reprinted a map on page 17 and 84 with name "Coastal Map of Kwong Tung by Kwok Fei (郭棐) in Yuet Tai Kee (粵大記)". Yuet Tai Kee/粵大記 is frequently cited in many scholar works on this topic. (See Yuet Tai Kee map) |
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Followed by the historically mass protest in July 1, 2002, the Tung's cabinet were immediately dragged in a crisis of governance. Two top officials were resigned and the cabinet was forced to reshuffle. There have been strong voices over the reform in constitution that brings suffrage to Hong Kong citizens, but the possibility for reform has been ruled out by the China Government." |
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# Missing essential information. '']'', an incense wood, is very significant to the etymology of the Hong Kong. See the source ''"Aquilaria sinensis and origin of the name of Hong Kong". Hong Kong Herbarium'', that citing Professor Lo Hsiang-lin's suggesting the strong relationship between the plant and Hong Kong. |
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# Missing essential information. 香港村/香港圍, a village in very important to the history of Hong Kong. It was the reason why Hong Kong was picked up as the name of colony. (See 1819 San-on County Gazetteer) |
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# Trivial and misinformation. Davis's 1841 book noted ''- The name Hong-kong is a provincial corruption of Hoong-keang , "the red torrent ," from the colour of the soil through which the stream flows previous to its fall over the cliff.'' This description is quite possible that Davis misinterpreted Chinese labels on a 1810 map. The Chinese labels were the phonetic value of English(Portuguese) labels that 紅江, proximate pronunciation of Hong Kong (香港), by comparing with rest of labels (九龍→Cow-loon→ 九龍, 鯉魚門→Ly-ee-moon→ 禮衣門, 南丫→Lama→ 藍麻, 長洲→Cheung-chow→涌洲, 交椅洲→Cowee-chau→九以洲, 東涌→Toong-chung→同中) . Davis wrongly reinterpreted 紅江 as the red torrent. These funny labels were discussed in the source ''Mapping Hong Kong.'' Is it worth to put misinformation here? (See 1810 map) |
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# Wrong reference. In the article, the two key statements are particularly problematic: ''"Fragrant" may refer to the sweet taste of the harbour's freshwater influx from the Pearl River or to the odour from incense factories lining the coast of northern ]. The incense was stored near Aberdeen Harbour for export before ] was developed.'' The reference link referred to the book ''"Room, Adrian (2005). Placenames of the World. McFarland & Company. ISBN 978-0-7864-2248-7".'' The two statements are not what the book said: |
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#* In book, it located in Hong Kong Harbour between Hong Kong Island and mainland Kowloon, obviously Victoria Harbour, not Aberdeen Harbour. |
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#* In book, freshwater was from Xi Jiang River, not Pearl River. |
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#* In book, the odour was coming from opium or incense factory on the shore of the harbour. |
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#* In book, no mention of northern Kowloon. |
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# Misinformation and unreliable source. ''Placenames of the World'' by itself is not a reliable source. No specific sources support its claims. How could it be ''sweet taste of the harbour's freshwater'' when Pearl River/Xi Jiang River was dirty river. How could the salty sea water of Victoria Harbour and Aberdeen Channel would be ''sweet taste''? The author probably have no idea in geography of Hong Kong and the information is against common sense, long creeping in Misplaced Pages text and passing misinformation to reader. BTW, ''Fresh water'' comes from other stories but it is too long to discuss here. |
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It would be wonderful should anyone rewrite this faulty section. @] |
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Besides appearing horribly POV and non-encyclopedic, this bears strong resemblance to text which has been repeatedly removed from this page in the past. I know there's some issue with elections in Hong Kong, but to say "majority" I think a single citation should be easy to come by. Clearly needs copyediting by a person more fluent in English, also. I'm not overly motivated to add this info back into the main article, but with citation and copyediting, feel free. --] 21:38, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC) |
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: Besides being seriously POV and non-encylopedic, the paragraphs are misleading / not accurate in almost their entirety: The 800 members of the "Election Committee" which elect the Chief Executive to his second term are returned in accordance with Annex I of the Basic Law. Members include all Legislative Council Members, etc - they could not have been "selected" by the Chinese Government. Criticisms come mostly from the democratic camp who fights for univeral suffrage that the election is not representative enough. The "mass protest" is on July 1, ''2003''. Only one non-official member of the cabinet (James Tien) resigned (and was subsequently replaced). The Basic Law provides for universal suffrage as an ultimate aim and there is no need for "reform in constitution" to bring about that (amendment of its Annex would suffice). The National Peoples' Congress ruled out universal suffrage in 2007/08, not the room to change the method of election then, nor the possibility for universal suffrage afterwards. |
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:Sorry, we have different senses of what information is essential in this article. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, and whatever you think should be changed, it would not be acceptable to expand the Names section far beyond its present size, that would be wholly ] when the totality of what deserves to be discussed is taken into account—HK is a special case in that it should deserve a section discussing matters of lexicography and etymology at all. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 01:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
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: Furthermore, such information has been mostly provided in the articles on Politics of Hong Kong. It is disproportionate to place them in the main article of Hong Kong. --] 03:32, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) |
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::Balance does not mean misinformation and unreliable source are allowed. Some trivial could be removed and essential could be added. |
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::Here I raise the concern and anyone could rewrite. If you could write it briefly, it would be nice. — ] (]) 01:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::In regard to the issue of brevity, it seems to me that the solution to that problem is just to create the article ]. <big>]]</big> 08:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:If this is how you say it is, then I agree it should need a re-write. “Sweet taste of fresh water” in the harbour, miles away from the estuary and directly exposed to the Pacific ocean, is absolutely bonkers if you ask me. ] (]) 15:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Shouldn't we class HK as an authoritarian dictatorship by now? == |
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After increasing authoritarianism within Hong Kong regarding the passing of several new laws, the crackdown of dissent and the censorship of the Pro- ] (]) 19:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Good news! This article already seems to discuss all those things according to how they're represented in reliable sources. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 19:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:''Although Hong Kong has often been popularly portrayed as an example of a ] which operates with minimal government interference, many critics argue this reputation is undeserved arguing that the small business community and both the colonial and SAR governments have intervened heavily in the HK economy, by for example, restricting the sale of land to keep property prices high.'' |
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Unless judged in an absolute sense (under which no economy of this world would justify the name free market economy), government intervention by itself should only be regarded as one of the factors in determining how free an economy is relatively. At least the following reputable source still ranks Hong Kong at the 1st of free market economies - Government intervention has already been taken into account as one of the factors. |
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The following (on the location/history etc of the airport) is not a major economic issue, and the information is already in the relevant articles. |
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:''The major ], ] (HKIA), is located on a partly ] connected to ]. The airport is often called ] Airport, after one of the islands it was built upon. HKIA replaced the older ], which was known for its spectacular ] approach. Kai Tak was retired after Chek Lap Kok was built and now serves as a ]al venue and has been earmarked for housing development.'' |
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Should we separate it into Official written language and Official spoken language? |
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: There seems no "official spoken language" / "official written language" as such. Article 9 of Basic Law says that in addition to the Chinese language, English may also be used as an official language by the executive authorities, legislature and judiciary of the HKSAR. -] 04:11, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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It is not appropriate to say that the capital of Hong Kong is "Victoria City". Firstly, Hong Kong is a city of China and does NOT have a capital of its own. Secondly, there is no such place as "Victoria City" in Hong Kong. There is a "victoria Harbour", but not Victoria City. |
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There is "Victoria City", but this name is rarely used now. Victoria City refers to the present-day Sai Wan, Sheung Wan, Central and Wan Chai, roughly. |
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Although Hong Kong has no de facto capital, Central (in Victoria City) is actually the centre of HK's administrative and economic activities. The word "capital" in English does not only mean the capital of a nation, like London, Beijing, but also it can refer to the administrative centre of a region, like New York is the capital of the New York State, Guangzhou is the capital of Guangdong province. Thus, it is fair enough to say Victoria City is the de facto capital of HK. (147) |
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The real area is 1114 km2. And you're showing more than double of that because you're counting all the surrounding waters. Since when do we count the sea as part of the area of a territorial entity? 12qwas (talk) 21:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
This section was written long ago. It is full of misinformation and more accurate information are not put in the article. The etymology of Hong Kong/香港 have been studied in deep since the mid 20th century with handful of scholars writing papers and books on the topic in Hong Kong. It deserves a better rewrite.
After increasing authoritarianism within Hong Kong regarding the passing of several new laws, the crackdown of dissent and the censorship of the Pro- Kdf122 (talk) 19:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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