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== WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.2 ==
==Milton Friedman photo==
Hi! Just noticed that you deleted the photo on ]. Just curious, what was wrong with it? You can answer here, I'll watch your talk page ] 23:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


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OK, I (think I) got it. In the meantime I found out about Flickr and found . How can I tell if it is free? If it is, can I crop friedman out of it, and how? Hope you can help with the questions. ] 23:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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:It is not free, unfortunately. You can tell because of the little "all rights reserved" sign. But I sent the photographer an e-mail that said the following:
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:If she agrees, then it's a free image. If not, we'll have to keep searching. Thanks for looking! &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 02:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


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::Ironic update: Mr. Friedman died today. As such, the photo now passes all our fair use requirements. I have restored it. &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 21:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


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More like a tragic update. May he rest in peace ] 00:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


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:Hi! I noticed that you uploaded the now-free photo of Milton Friedman, which is great. My question is whether you used the large version of the original photo to crop Friedman? As, otherwise, we could easily obtain a higher quality pic from the higher res photo ] 13:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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::Unfortunately, I did use the highest-resolution photo available on Flickr. It is pretty low res, though. I'll e-mail the photographer and ask her if she has a higher res copy. &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 15:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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Probably not :-(. However, this is good enough in the end ] 16:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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==Deletion without reason==
I just noticed . You had your facts wrong on that one, but since you unilaterally went ahead and deleted it ... well ... too bad you didn't open it up for comment. --]&nbsp;<sup>(])</sup> 21:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:Having looked at the case, I endorse this deletion. No serious case for non-replaceability was raised, and Quadell's action was entirely appropriate. --]<sup>]</sup> 04:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
*it's too bad the rest of us can't look at the page to evaluate the argument. --]&nbsp;<sup>(])</sup> 15:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
**I suspect you were fully aware of the discussion's contents, given that you were involved throughout it, but I have undeleted the ] on the off chance that anyone wants to examine the case. --]<sup>]</sup> 15:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
*Yup, i know what was said, but since I'm not an admin i couldn't look at the deleted image. Now, since my last posting I contacted Ray Suarez and asked about the use of the image. I have the emails from the Newshour discussing the use of this image and giving permission for Misplaced Pages to use it. I haven't written about this prior because their seems to be no response to my last posting. I was waiting for a response, but there was none. This is why I found the deletion of the image to be surprising.--]&nbsp;<sup>(])</sup> 16:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


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Now, a question. On the speedy delete page for graphics, I'm finding some graphics that are in non-replace fair use but are tagged for speedy deletion because their license is Misplaced Pages-only. Yet if they were just straight-out copyrighted and used without permission (for fair use, and if non-replacable) they would not be speedied. This seems odd. What's one to do in a case like this - delete it nonetheless, change the tag, or what? Thanks, ] 19:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


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:Good question. A Misplaced Pages-only license (or a non-commercial license, for that matter) should be treated exactly the same as a fair use claim. Images should not be speedied if a good "fair use" claim could be made. Instead they should have a {{tl|fairusein}} tag added, and a fair use rationale. However, if the image would obviously not pass our fair-use policy (like a map or a drawing that could be remade), then there's no point in making a fair use claim. In general, a mistagged image shouldn't be deleted (but retagged instead) if it could pass under a different tag. Thanks for helping out! &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 23:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you very much! I will proceed with care when using these tools, and hopefully will not disappoint fellow editors and administrators with the decisions I take. Thanks again! -- ] 23:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


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You recently deleted ] with the reason: "Category:Replaceable fair use images as of 5 November 2006." However, the image was properly tagged as publicity photograph and no free image can be found right now. ] ] 05:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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:This is not correct. Our ] forbids using a non-free image if a free image could be created that could be used in its place. See criterion #1 and counter-example #8. In this case, it would be possible to create a free image; therefore this non-free image may not be used. Whether a free replacement image exists or not at this time is not relevant. &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 12:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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::You mean someone should dig up the Shah's skeleton and take a digital photo of it? That might be difficult, though not impossible. Perhaps it could make for an interesting project for this year's group of ] initiates. ] 22:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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:::The image in question was of ], who is alive and visible without the assistance of shovels. Please check your facts before making pithy comments of this sort. --]<sup>]</sup> 23:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


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I'm sorry, it's confusing how you pick and set the right copyright flags/tags.
I obtained the written permission of the copyright owner to put the image on wikipedia.
I don't know how to set that from the options.
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:Unfortunately, having permission to use the image on Misplaced Pages isn't enough. Because Misplaced Pages is free and open content, we try to only use images which are also "free", in the sense that anyone can use them for any reason. If the copyright-holder will allow anyone to use the photo for any reason -- including modifying it and using it for commercial purposes -- then we can use it. But if not, then we can't use it, even if we have permission to use it specifically on Misplaced Pages. All the best, &ndash; ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 18:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


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Can you please take a look at the situation with ], ] and ]. I feel I was tricked by an underhand move and I'm not happy with the behavious of Abu Badali in the slightest. I know that comment borders on a breach of AGF but I'm very unhappy with what he is insinuating. -- <font color="#DE3163">]</font> • <small><font color="#660066">]</font> | <font color="#FF4F00">]</font> | <font color="#2E8B57">]</font></small> 19:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


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There are a whole bunch of replaceable fair use images uploaded by ], fair use disputed, the uploader is claiming pretty vociferously that the images are allowable. Partly to placate him, give him his day in court so to speak, and partly to make sure I'm doing the right thing, I opened an RfC on the matter, here: ]. ] 05:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


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