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==PerspicazHistorian==
==SashiRolls==
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{{hat|Both SashiRolls and Tryptofish are subject to an indefinite ]. ] 01:58, 20 May 2019 (UTC)}}
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===Request concerning SashiRolls=== ===Request concerning PerspicazHistorian===
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; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks|PerspicazHistorian}}<p>{{ds/log|PerspicazHistorian}}</p>


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# Removes "from documents..." () # - removed "discrimination" sidebar from the page of ] (fascist ideology) even though the sidebar was inserted inside a section, not even the lead.
# Removes "lawyers litigating..." () # - tag bombed the highly vetted ] article without any discussion or reason
# - attributing castes to people withhout any sources
# - edit warring to impose the above edits after getting
# - just like above, but this time he also added unreliable sources
# - still edit warring and using edit summaries instead of talk page for conversation
# - filed an outrageous report on WP:ANI without notifying any editors. This report was closed by Bbb23 as "{{tq|This is nothing but a malplaced, frivolous personal attack by the OP.}}"


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*Already 2 blocks in last 4 months for edit warring.
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I do not see any positive signs that this editor will ever improve. So far he has only regressed. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
The diffs above show a straightforward 1RR violation in ], (1RR was partly why SashiRolls was topic-banned in this area before). However, they are still personalizing disputes over at the related ] page too creating a disruptive undercurrent in the most controversial area of the GMO/pesticide topic currently.


:While going through this report, PerspicazHistorian has made another highly problematic edit by edit warring and misrepresenting the sources to label the organisation as "terrorist". This primary source only provides a list of organisations termed by the Indian government as "terrorist" contrary to ]. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
<u>Background</u>


*PerspicazHistorian is still using sources (see ]) and wishing to move ] to ] which is a blatant POV. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 04:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
I suggest reading the for behavior related to GMOs as we're essentially having a repeat of that behavior all over again. They are already extremely short on ] already being topic-banned in this area, but this is best described by ] closing of the Dec 2016 block {{tq|this is a last chance for SashiRolls to be a member of the community. . .}}. Sashirolls' long block log is pretty telling of this behavior, and their was barely accepted it seems by ].


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Article talk page comments are often personalizing disputes fitting ]'s definition of problematic as a whole rather than in isolation:


===Discussion concerning PerspicazHistorian ===
*{{tq|after Trypto insisted on rewriting the facts to paint Séralini as evil}}
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*When discussing a tag for finding a medical source, {{tq|Kingofaces43 wants to go farther, adding a tag of shame to that sentence for maximal rhetorical effect.}}


====Statement by PerspicazHistorian ====
*Creates a chart on talk page to single out editors with no bearing on content, {{tq|Look, everyone: data-driven analysis of who leaves the most K here in the glyposhate talkpage letterbox.}}
*By far I am also concerned how my edits were forcefully reverted without a proper reason despite providing enough references. Please check how I am getting attacked by them on ] Page.
I didn't know about the three-revert-rule before ] told me about this: ].
Please grant me one more chance, I will make sure not to edit war.<br>
*In the below statement by LukeEmily, As a reply I just want to say that I was just making obvious edit on ] by adding a list of notable people with proper references. And according to ] it is clearly said: "Edits from a slanted point of view, general insertion or removal of material, or other good-faith changes are not considered vandalism." It was a good faith edit but others reverted it. I accept my mistake of not raising it on talk page as a part of ].<br>
*As a clarification to my edit on ], it can be clearly seen that I provided enough reference to prove its a terrorist organisation as seen in this . I don't know why is there a discussion to this obvious edit? Admins please correct me if I am wrong.
:@], Yes I read about 1RR and 0RR revert rules in ]. I now understand the importance of raising the topic on talk page whenever a consensus is needed. Thank You ! ] (]) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I will commit to that. ] (]) 13:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) <small>Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 13:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC) </small>
:At that time I was new to how AFD discussions worked. Later on when ] was marked for deletion, I respected the consensus by not interfering in it. The article was later deleted. ] (]) 11:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
*Hi @] , I just checked your user page. You have 16 years (I am 19) of experience on wiki, you must be right about me. I agree that my start on Misplaced Pages has been horrible, but I am learning a lot from you all. I promise that I will do better, get more neutral here and contribute to the platform to my best. Please don't block me.
::''<small>P.S.- I don't know If I will be blocked or what , according to this enforcement rules, I just want to personally wish good luck to you for your ongoing cancer treatments, You will surely win this battle of Life. Regards.</small>'' ] (]) 12:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)<small>Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section.] (]) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small>


*1) I just asked an user @] if the page move is possible. What's wrong with it? I still have not considered putting a move request on talk page of article.
*Reaction to DS notification:{{tq|I figured that you wouldn't be able to resist templating a regular if I edited '''your''' "Roundup" page.}} (my bolding) and {{tq|I assume you just wanted to make a fairly vague threat without saying anything groundless.}}
:2) Many of other sources are not raj era. Moreover I myself have deleted the content way before you pointing this out. Thank You ! ] (]) 06:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::even @] is seen engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics. ] (]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::as mentioned by @] before, <sub>Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here</sub>. You can discuss content related topics on talk pages of articles rather than personally targeting a user here in enforcement. ] (]) 06:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@] I once filed a to find it @] is a sock (out of a misunderstanding, as all were teamed up similarly on various pages). I think he felt it as a personal attack by me and filed this request for enforcement. Please interfere. ] (]) 06:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) <small>moving to correct section ] (]) 13:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</small>


*Hi @] @], In my defense I just want to say that
*There also appears to be some wiki-hounding of ] (a regular in this topic) based on (another repeat from SashiRoll's topic ban) that's leaching into the GMO/pesticide topic now as SashiRolls hadn't really been around much in these articles before that ANI. I don't know the details of those interactions being outside my editing area, but it does show the community is plenty tired of this from SashiRolls in other areas..
:1)Yes I usually edit on RSS related topics, but to ensure a democratic view is maintained as many socks try to disrupt such articles. Even on ] page, I just edited on request of talk page and added a graph. I don't think its a POV push.
:2) My main interest in editing is ] and ] topics.
:3)There have been certain cases in past where I was blocked but if studied carefully they were result of me edit warring with socks(although, through guidance of various experienced editors and admins I learnt a SPI should be filed first). I have learnt a lot in my journey and there have been nearly zero case of me of edit warring this month.
:Please do not block me. ] (]) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*@] I beg apologies for the inconvenience caused, thanks for correcting me. I will now reply in my own statement section. @] I am a quick learner and professionally competent to edit in this encyclopedic space. Please consider reviewing this enforcement if its an counter-attack on me as mentioned in my previous replies. You all are experienced editors and I have good faith in your decision-making capability.] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*@]@] I have edited content marked as "original research" and "mess" by you, I am ready to help removing any content that might be considered "poorly sourced" by the community. Please don't block me.] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*@] This enforcement started for edit-warring and now I feel its more concerned to my edited content(which I agree to cooperate and change wherever needed). After learning about edit wars, there has been no instance of me edit-warring, Please consider my request.--] (]) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@] I am not a slow learner, I understand the concerns of all admins here. I will try my best to add only reliable sources, and discuss content in all talk pages, as I already mentioned ]. ] (]) 12:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@]@] I think admins should focus more on encouraging editors when they do good and correct when mistaken. I have made many edits, added many citations and created much articles which use fine citations. The enforcement started out of retaliation by nxcrypto, now moving towards banning me anyways. I started editing out of passion, and doing it here on wiki unlike those who come here just for pov pushes and disrupt article space(talking about socks and vandalizers on contentious Indian topics).
*::The article ] doesn't only has issue on citations, but the whole article is copypasted from the citations I added. I just wanted to point that out. Remaining about ], I am currently pursuing Btech in cs from IIT delhi, idt I am a slow learner by any means. Still, happy new year to all ! ] (]) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::@] You mean to say, "<sub>The ''prasada'' is to be consumed by attendees as a holy offering. The offerings may include cooked food, ] and confectionery sweets. Vegetarian food is usually offered and later distributed to the devotees who are present in the ]. Sometimes this vegetarian offering will exclude prohibited items such as garlic, onion, mushroom, etc. "</sub> is not copy pasted by website? Is this also a wiki mirror website? How would you feel if I doubt your competence now? ] (]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::@ ] I just asked others to share their opinion in the enforcement. With all due respect, I don't think its wrong in any sense. ] (]) 15:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::To all the admins involved here,
*:::::* I agree to keep learning and apologize if my previous edits/replies have annoyed the admins.
*:::::* I have not edit warred since a month and please see it as my willingness to keep learning and getting better.
*:::::*Please give me a chance, I understand concern of you all and respect your opinion in the matter. But please don't block me from editing from main article space. I promise that I will abide by all the rules and will learn from other editors.
*:::::] (]) 15:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by LukeEmily====
I for one want to focus on content in this area, but it's already very difficult content to try to craft as it is even without the pot-stirring behavior Sashirolls is interjecting since they jumped in recently. Given past sanctions, I'd at least suggest a full topic ban this time around so the rest of us can get back to work. ] (]) 04:42, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
PerspicazHistorian also violated ] by engaging in an edit war with {{u|Ratnahastin}} who reverted his edits and restored an article to a stable version by admin. Also, I want to assume good faith but it is surprising that PerspicazHistorian claims that he did not know the three revert rule given that he has more than 800 edits.] (])


====Statement by Doug Weller====
<u>Replies to admins</u>
I'm involved so just commenting. I don't think this editor is competent. I had to give them a community sanction caste warning as they were making a mess of castes. See this earlier version of their talk page.]https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:PerspicazHistorian&oldid=1262289249] and ]'s comment that "It was very unwise of you to keep moving ] to article space when it has not passed review. As a direct result of your actions, a deletion discussion is taking place, and when this is complete and the article is deleted, you will be prevented from recreating it. ] (]) 14:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)" There have also been copyright issues. I strongly support a topic ban. ] ] 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


:::I won't be involved in the decision. No more treatments for me, just coast until... ] ] 12:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:], the DS notification Sashirolls got is explicit it covers all areas dealing with GMOs and ], and ArbCom the DS scope since it is often gamed for "ignorance". 3RRBLP doesn't apply to any living person-specific material here, but do read Sashiroll's first edit summary showing the information was true (and sourced they've been working). That's still ]y reverting against the intent of 1RR.
:Add in Sashirolls outright misrepresenting me in their above response claiming I had two reverts (they were two edits in a series), the battleground projection still continues. ] (]) 14:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


====Statement by Toddy1====
:] quick reply since I'm at the word limit. Tryptofish already primarily answered your question, but at the time I was going by that was under both GMO/pesticide and politics DS. There's no question GMOs were the locus. Admins could have flipped a coin for which DS to use for formal logging without excluding the other (can an action even be "double-logged"?), but that's getting into the weeds for this conversation since the end result is the same that the behavior heavily involved this DS area. ] (]) 22:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
This is another editor who appears to have pro-] (RSS) and pro-] (BJP) views. I dislike those views, but find it rather alarming that Misplaced Pages should seek to censor those views, but not the views of the political opponents. Imagine the outrage if we sought to topic-ban anyone who expressed pro-] views, but allowed ] to say whatever they liked.


A lot of pro-RSS/BJP editors turn out to be sock-puppets, so please can we do a checkuser on this account. And to be even-handed, why not checkuser NXcrypto too.
*Despite ] below, they are still doubling down on pot-stirring behavior at glyphosate even today. I'm not sure what admins expect when an editor is repeatedly sanctioned for battleground behavior, gets warned again at this AE, and just does it again, but it's disrupted this topic enough. The battleground behavior is the key problem here regardless of edit warring. ] (]) 19:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


If we want to talk about ] when editors make mistakes, look at the diff given by NXcrypto for "Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested" - it is the wrong diff. He/she did notify PerspicazHistorian - but the correct diff is .
*], if it helps, it's the battleground behavior that's the center of the dispute, and I highlighted that section of my initial comments better. The 1RR question is only part of the problem, so you can technically set that aside and look at the other diffs I provided outside the direct 1RR remedy (and some people are ignoring that battleground problem and only focusing on 1RR). In short, do you see battleground behavior in those comments of Sashirolls I highlighted, and what should be done about that given they've been sanctioned for that so many times already? A one-way interaction ban for Sashirolls might help since the problems appear to be one way, but that also leaves some of the comments being directed at me too. That's why I mentioned they already had a topic ban related to GMOs in the Jill Stein topic, so it's probably better to just expand it to the full topic instead (see the for scope). Basically, focus on my ''Diffs of previous relevant sanctions'' and ''Battleground behavior'' section if anything. ] (]) 00:47, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


A topic ban from Indian topics would be unhelpful, unless given to both parties. Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India. Loading the dice against BJP and RSS editors will turn Misplaced Pages into a fringe encyclopaedia on Indian topics.
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I can see a good case for restricting PerspicazHistorian to draft articles and talk pages for a month, and suggesting that he/she seeks advice from more experienced editors. Another solution would be a one-revert rule to last six months.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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===Discussion concerning SashiRolls=== ====Statement by Capitals00====
I find the comment from {{U|Toddy1}} to be entirely outrageous. What are you trying to tell by saying "{{tq|Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India}}"? If you want us to entertain those who are in power, then we could never have an article like ].
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====Statement by SashiRolls====
I will make a statement Saturday now that the goalposts have shifted:


You cannot ask topic ban for both editors without having any evidence of misconduct. Same way, you cannot ask CU on either user ]. It is a high time that you should strike your comment, since you are falsely accusing others that they "{{tq|seek to censor}}" this editor due to his "{{tq| pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views}}". You should strike your comment. If you cannot do that, then I am sure ] is coming for you. ] (]) 15:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
{{collapsetop|Trypto agrees 1RR claim is wrong}}
#clicking on the text you can see that the text I reverted was not the same in the two instances (in the first case it was unsourced and in the second case it was overdone and contained errors: the date of the supposed release was inaccurate the second time)
# I didn't notice a 1-RR DS template on the Talk Page. (going back I see it's because ''there isn't one''). Since the text under contention is about a herbicide, and not in any way associated with genetically modified organisms, I did not think about the unrelated GMO case Kingofaces & Tryptofish were involved in.
# the page is an attack on Séralini's reputation. Both edits I fixed contained demonstrably wrong information. The first time the info was unsourced; the second time the dates were wrong. The lawyers did not release the info on 1 August 2017. I did not revert ''the new text'' exclusively because of this error but because the text was undue.
# Tryptofish & Kingofaces have been contributing to a negative atmosphere on ] for quite some time now. See further KoF's 2RR (different text, as above) on glyphosate (, ) and Trypto's against a .] <sup>] · ]</sup> 07:04, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


====Statement by Vanamonde93====
:El C: There is no notification in the TP header about 1RR. Nor do I see a template on the article page?? Please compare to the TP of ] where the <nowiki>{{GMORFC notice}}</nowiki> template is on the page. On the other hand, I was mistaken about the actual study which -- rushing before work -- I mistakenly suggested was exclusively focused on glyphosate. In fact, my interest in the case was aroused by Kingofaces repeatedly saying how disreputable he thought Séralini was on the TP of glyphosate. This is the BLP problem.] <sup>] · ]</sup> 10:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
{{U|Toddy1}}: I, too, am baffled by your comment. We don't ban editors based on their POV; but we do ban editors who fail to follow our PAGs, and we certainly don't make excuses for editors who fail to follow our guidelines based on their POV. You seem to be suggesting we cut PH some slack because of their political position, and I find that deeply inappropriate. Among other things, I don't believe they have publicly stated anywhere that they support the BJP or the RSS, and we cannot make assumptions about them.


That said, the fact that this was still open prompted me to spot-check PH's contributions, and I find a lot to be concerned about. is from 29 December, and appears to be entirely original research; I cannot access all of the sources, but snippet search does not bear out the content added, and the Raj era source for the first sentence certainly does not support the content it was used for. ], entirely authored by PH, is full of puffery ({{tq|"first to sacrifice his life for the cause of Swarajya"}}, and poor sources (like , and , whose blurb I leave you to judge), from which most of the article appears to be drawn. ], also entirely authored by PH, has original research in its very first sentence; the sources that I can access give passing mention to people whose names include the suffix "appa", and thus could perhaps be examples of usage, but the sources most certainly do not bear out the claim.
:Ah, I see what you are talking about now.. it only appears if you edit the page, it is not on the talk page itself. I did not see that pop-up notice, but would not have thought it applied in any case because I was not reverting the same text. I did not realize I had fallen into a clever trap (first the info was added in a completely unjustified manner since it was sourced to text which said nothing at all about lawyers, then it was readded with completely different (and quite excessive) language the next day (but earlier)). Very clever.] <sup>] · ]</sup> 12:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


I will note in fairness that I cannot access all the sources for the content I checked. But after spotchecking a dozen examples I have yet to find content PH wrote that was borne out by a reliable source, so I believe skepticism is justified. We are in territory where other editors may need to spend days cleaning up some of this writing. {{U|Bishonen}} If we're in CIR territory, just a normal indefinite block seems cleanest, surely? Or were you hoping that PH would help clean up their mess, perhaps by providing quotes from sources? That could be a pathway to contributing productively, but I'm not holding my breath. ] (]) 18:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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Tryptofish states he has not followed me around. This is blatantly false. On the colorful ''Strategic Wikisuit Against Public Participation'' page RHaworth cleaned off for me, I've listed a few of the examples of this, citing him at length to avoid accusations of cherry-picking (which clearly apply to the choice mid-sentence cuttings Kingofaces43 provided above). The details of Trypto's long history of following me to drama boards to try and have me disciplined is available here. I think you will agree that the truth-o-meter is in imminent peril of exploding it's so cold... 🎃 ] 🎃 ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 22:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


:Thanks Bish: I agree, as my exchanges with PH today, in response to my first post here, have not inspired confidence. . ] (]) 20:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:Trypto, it was your evidence of GMO wrongdoing that was categorically rejected. Since you brought the first strategic suit against me the day the schoolyear began, you caused me to freak a little after 1 September. Please don't smile when you read that. ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 22:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


====Statement by UtherSRG====
:El C: I assume you are not forbidding me to work on the glyphosate page or from objecting when Mr. K deletes the work of other contributors. Mr. K says that the talk page is a battleground. I have never used that metaphor, possibly because I was not involved in digging the 17 pages of "trenches"... I would suggest considering topic banning the trench diggers. ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 19:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
I've mostly dealt with PH around ]. They do not seem to have the ability to read and understand our policies and processes. As such, a t-ban is too weak. The minimum I would support is a p-block as suggested below, though a full indef is also acceptable. They could then ask for the ] when they can demonstrate they no longer have ] issues. - ] ] 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:Trypto has falsely claimed below that I edited no pages related to GMO / herbicides until March 2019. This is especially odd as he massaged my edit to the Roundup page as you can see by clicking next (). Why does Trypto continue to say things that are false, deliberately ending his search 6 days before the news of Roundup360's ban was front page news in France? Saying that I am following him around because I added something that was front-page news in my region of the world is a very twisted and self-important way of misrepresenting my volunteer participation. -- ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 19:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
# There is no template visible on the talk page saying 1RR. The fact that the 1RR template is hidden in a pop-up is strange. Why is the public not informed of this 1RR restriction?
# I agree that translated into en.wp formalism, I was defending the BLP rights of Séralini against being written up as a bad guy because he hired lawyers that got results.
# I did not directly revert Trypto and was engaged in trying to find a compromise text, which granted is usually not easy in the GMO area, but I was doing so in good faith. I have not been further involved on that page and am satisfied that my bold edit has been almost completely accepted.
# The larger issues concerning this shoot-first-ask-questions-later filing are serious, and I have laid them out above and in ], which is as short as I could make it, while still citing TF completely. The fact that both KoA & TF have been demonstrated to be making up novel interpretations of old cases, cherry-picking quotes, posting misleading diffs, getting caught in howlers about harassment, and for long-term advocacy in the subject area is probably not entirely necessary to decide the 1RR question, which I had thought was already resolved in the negative as "no violation". ~~ ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 00:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
El C... I was the only one (of the two of us) to have edited it in 2019 on 14 May 2019. However, I do believe he wrote on the subject much earlier (apparently his last edit was a little over 12 months earlier). This may explain the reaction, I don't know. For the record, the first time I wrote about the Séralini affair on Misplaced Pages was back in 2016. (on a TP) a few days before Trypto decided to take me to AE. ~~ ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 01:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


:Based on , I'm more strongly leaning towards indef. - ] ] 12:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:Also, I do hope whoever decides this will set a solid precedent concerning the appropriate "contempt of wikicourt" penalties for TH and KoA telling transparently tall tales (TH: multiple, the most glaringly evident = January edits to Roundup, stalking my edits to post a link to my statement before I'd finished it, misrepresentation of previous decisions, failure to report their own past blocks, KoA = misrepresentation of Jill Stein topic ban as being related to GMO, reporting a 1RR violation that wasn't one, cherry-picking from sentences that almost invariably express a great deal of modulation around the cherry-picked items, etc...). ~~ ] <sup>] · ]</sup> 01:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::They now indicate they believe the article they edited was copied from one of the websites they used as a reference, when in reality the website is a mirror/scrape of the Misplaced Pages article. I believe we are firmly in ] territory here. - ] ] 14:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::: is a mirror of the Misplaced Pages article. - ] ] 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


===Result concerning PerspicazHistorian ===
====Statement by Levivich====
:''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.''
The article is a BLP, and although the edit summaries don't explicitly cite ], they explain that the edits are removing unsourced material (which is obviously contentious, as the entire article is about a controversy involving a living person). <span style="white-space:nowrap;">]&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">]</span></span> 05:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


{{u|PerspicazHistorian}}, can you explain your understanding of ] and the ] rule? I'd like you to read thoroughly enough to also explain wny someone may be edit warring ''even if they aren't breaking 3RR''. ] (]) 21:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
{{re|El_C}} No doubt you're right about that.
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:@], that explanation of edit warring is a bit wanting. An edit war is when two or more editors revert content additions/removals repeatedly. Even a second reversion by the same editor can be considered edit warring. Best practice -- and what I highly recommend, especially for any inexperienced editor -- is ''the first time'' someone reverts an edit of yours, go to the talk page, open a section, ping the editor who reverted you, and discuss. Do you think you can commit to that?
:<small>Re: your question on why your "obvious edit" was reverted: we don't deal with content issues here, only with behavior issues, but from a very quick look, the source is 50 years old, and using a list headed "TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS LISTED IN THE FIRST SCHEDULE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT, 1967" that includes a certain organization as a source that the organization should be described as a terrorist organization is ]; in their ] NXcrypto provided an edit summary of "Not a reliable source for such a contentious label. See WP:LABEL." Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here.</small> ] (]) 11:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm seeing this as a CIR issue. I'd like input from other admins, if possible. I'm a little concerned that setting a tban from IPA is just setting a trap. Maybe a p-block from article space would be a kinder way to allow them to gain some experience? ] (]) 13:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@], have you seen how many times I or others have had to move your comments to your own section? This is an example of not having enough experience to edit productively. Please do not post in anyone else's section again. ] (]) 16:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I do agree we're in CIR territory, and the concerns expressed are completely valid. I don't think this editor is ill-intentioned. They just don't seem very motivated to learn quickly. Well-intentioned-but-a-slow-learner is something that can only be fixed by actually practicing what you're bad at. I'd prefer an indef from article space which gives them one more chance to learn here before we send them off to mr.wiki or Simple English to try to learn. Not a hill I'm going to die on, though. ] (]) 11:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@], like Uther I have major concerns about the edit you made yesterday, which included replacing a citation needed tag with these sources.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Significance of Different Type of Prasad in Hinduism For God |url=https://www.ganeshaspeaks.com/predictions/astrology/prasad-food-for-god/ |access-date=2024-12-30 |website=GaneshaSpeaks |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=What Is Prashad |url=https://www.swaminarayan.faith/articles/what-is-prashad |access-date=2024-12-30 |website=Shree Swaminarayan Mandir Bhuj |language=en}}</ref> The first is a company that markets astrology services. The second is the site for a religious sect. Neither is a reliable source for explaining the concept of prasada in Wikivoice. You made this edit ''yesterday'', after you'd confirmed here and on my talk that you understood sourcing policy.
:::::The reason for an indef from article space is to allow you to learn this policy: You would go into article talk and suggest sources to fix citation needed tags. Another editor would have to agree with you that the sources are reliable before they'd add them. ] (]) 12:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*A tban from IPA for PerspicazHistorian would be a relief to many editors trying to keep this difficult area in reasonable shape. However, Valereee makes a good point about 'setting a trap': it's doubtful that PH would be able to keep to a tban even if they tried in good faith. I would therefore support a p-block from article space. ] &#124; ] 16:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
*:{{u|Vanamonde93}}, no, I don't really think PH can usefully help clean up their mess; I was following Valereee, who has been going into this in some depth, in attempting to keep some way of editing Misplaced Pages open for PH. It's a bit of a counsel of desperation, though; there is very little daylight between an indef and a p-block from article space. Yes, we ''are'' in CIR territory; just look at PH's ] for NXcrypto being "engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics": one diff of an opponent complaining on NXcrypto's page, and one diff of somebody reverting NXcrypto. What do those actually prove? That NXcrypto has opponents (big surprise). So, yes, as you suggest, I'll support an indef as well. ] &#124; ] 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
*Is there a length of time proposed for the p-ban or would it be indefinite? ] (]) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I would say indefinite; not infinite, but I'd be wary about letting them back into articlespace without some kind of preclearance. ] (] • she/her) 18:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*It looks to me like there is a consensus for an indefinite partial block for PerspicazHistorian from article space. Unless any uninvolved admin objects within a day or so, I will close as such. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Given PH's recent slew of requests on multiple admin talk pages, yes, please do. - ] ] 12:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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While Sashi may have passed 1RR without citing an exception in their edit summary, it would seem that so, too, did Tryptofish (and I don't believe any exception would apply to his edits). I know I'm not an admin but in my view, if you look at the article history for May 14–15 in its entirety, neither of these editors are really "edit warring" in the sense of repeatedly replacing the same text. Rather, they're just editing: going back and forth, using edit summaries, making tweaks and changes that respond to the others' edit summaries, using {tags} at various points rather than re-inserting/removing text, etc. I think it's just good faith editing.
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==LaylaCares==
I have a hard time taking Tryp's complaints about Sashi's conduct seriously because he himself posts things ] (posting ] with the edit summary "Yes, I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but this is just too good to pass up.") directed at Sashi. I said as much at ], which went nowhere (it was ], then Tryp ] and later re-closed it himself). Like the 1RR thing, it seems like a mutual or two-sided problem. My personal opinion is that both editors should take a break from each other. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">]&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">]</span></span> 17:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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===Request concerning LaylaCares===
:{{re|El_C}} The section of this report titled "Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it" lists diffs of an alleged 1RR violation. Perhaps admin can rule on that and close this. Anyone who thinks there's another issue that needs to be looked at could file a new report (although Sashi and Tryp both opened ANI threads proposing sanctions against the other, which were closed without action, and neither editor brought the issue up again at any noticeboard, so maybe there are no issues). –&nbsp;<span style="white-space:nowrap;">]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">]</span></span> 00:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
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::{{re|El_C}} Tryp edited from 2013–May 2018; then no activity for a year; then Sashi edits in May 2019. –&nbsp;<span style="white-space:nowrap;">]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">]</span></span> 01:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


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====Statement by Tryptofish====
We are far past the point where ] would have reached its end. I can see both sides of the issue of 1RR, in that the second edit by SashiRolls did not purely revert me, but instead partly reverted me and partly created new wording in its place. I've been wavering over the last few days over whether I should come to AE over this, myself, and the 1RR issue did not seem to me to be sufficiently unambiguous to be a reason by itself. But that is largely beside the point. There has been an immense amount of disruption lately. I want to focus on how, in recent weeks, SashiRolls has been violating ] on GMO pages, and on what Kingofaces correctly describes as ]ing of me.


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Here: , SashiRolls has been quite blatantly posting BLP-violating content about a scientific journal editor, at ], a page within the GMO topic area. I alerted ], , and editors who responded quickly came to the conclusion that material SashiRolls added needed to be removed: . This was in service of ] editing to push an anti-GMO POV.
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I've been editing the GMO topic area for years, and I was the filing party in the GMO ArbCom case. In recent weeks, SashiRolls has followed me there in a very hound-y way. He recently created a now-deleted attack page about me: . (See also: .) A great deal of what he has been doing at GMO pages has been intended to mock me. After I said this at ]: , he posted: , clearly mimicking my "Look, everyone" wording while adding meaningless information, and then edit warred to keep that there over objections by other editors: , . He had similarly mimicked me here: , . He posts sarcastic comments about me and others with sarcastic edit summaries: , , . Notice how he says antagonistic things, then disingenuously excuses them ("an offer of pie or cake").
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# EC gaming


His statement above that he did not know that herbicides like glyphosate are part of the GMO topic area ("agricultural chemicals and the companies that produce them") lack credibility in light of his earlier comments to me: . He describes above this edit of mine: , as "Trypto's reversion against a 5-2 talk page consensus", when that is nothing like the reality. He is single-handedly making the GMO topic area a very unpleasant place, especially for me. --] (]) 16:19, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


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:About this: , I did not say the 1RR claim was wrong, but rather that it was ambiguous. And Kingofaces' opening post was about a lot more than that, anyway. As for ''me'' being all those things, well, no, I'm not. --] (]) 17:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
:Levivich didn't know what he was talking about at the ANI thread, and he doesn't now: . The ANI thread led to the administrative decision to delete an attack page; it just didn't lead to any further sanctions beyond that. '''And the logical outcome would have been for SashiRolls to leave me alone after that.''' Instead, he followed me to the GMO pages, where I've edited for years (and at ], crafted the language that the community ended up adopting). I sure didn't follow ''him'' anywhere. --] (]) 17:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


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::{{re|Vanamonde93}} Thank you for the kind words. You asked a question to Kingofaces, but I want to answer it myself, because I think there is a misunderstanding. In this prior AE sanction: , I was the filing editor, and the topic areas were ''both'' AmPol and GMOs. --] (]) 21:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Pretty obvious case of EC gaming. Account created on Nov 17, 2024, then about 500 mostly minor edits followed by the first substantial edit ever was the creation of on Dec 17 (subsequently moved to draftspace).''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{re|Vanamonde93}} I see what you mean about the logging. However, ] was the specific locus of the dispute, and I don't want to see anyone criticized for not having parsed the logging history. It is perfectly understandable for anyone to view that sanction as having been GMO-related; I would have thought that, myself. --] (]) 21:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


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SashiRolls has said above that he is going to respond here once his work week is over. I have ] on my watchlist because it was the page that was previously CSDed as an attack page, and it just popped up on my watchlist again, recreated with different content: . I'm fine with editors making userspace drafts for dispute resolution, so that's not a problem. But I see that he has taken my comments above, in which I said that he followed me to GMO pages after the recent ANI discussion about the attack page, and he should not have done so, followed by my saying that I, in turn, did not follow him anywhere, as an invitation to compile a list of "Tryptofish is mean to me", going back to 2016. It's a massively revisionist history, so let me make it simple. SashiRolls starts with an AE diff dated September 2, 2016, and says that I made an AE report about him that was rejected. Here is the permalink to that AE: . Not rejected, was it? It's the same one that I discuss with Vanamonde just above. I'm pretty sure that that does go back to my first interaction with SashiRolls, and it's the origin of his antagonism against me. In any case, "Tryptofish is bad", even if it were true, would not be a refutation of the evidence from Kingofaces and me, and seems to argue that two wrongs make a right.


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Earlier, we had and , at ]. Today, he found time for and . --] (]) 22:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


===Discussion concerning LaylaCares===
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Because SashiRolls indicates that he disagrees with my description of who has been "following" whom, here is a more detailed background.


====Statement by LaylaCares====
I began editing in the GMO topic area in 2013: . I was the filing party in the ArbCom case, and I crafted the community-chosen language at ]. In 2016, I observed that an editor who had been a named party at ArbCom and was later topic-banned from GMOs at AE had added content at ] that directly contradicted the community consensus from ]. That is how I ended up ''there''. That, in turn, led to the first AE sanction against SashiRolls: . SashiRolls was indeffed in June 2017: , and the community lifted the block in November 2018: . From that time through <s>March</s> January of this year, he made no GMO-related edits that I can find: . Throughout that time, I '''never''' went to '''any''' pages where he edited, full stop.


====Statement by Aquillion====
In late March, he showed up again <s>for the first time</s> at some GMO pages, to revert an edit by Kingofaces: . Seeing that and a few subsequent edits, I gave him the DS alert, and he commented about it at the article talk page, my <s>first</s> GMO interaction with him since before the indef: . A little after that, he opened an ANI complaint against another editor: , and I was unaware of the ANI discussion until the other editor pinged me there: . This is how I responded to the ping: . While that ANI discussion was still ongoing, there was this: , and over the last several weeks SashiRolls has almost exclusively edited GMO pages, culminating in the filing here.
Question: Assuming it's determined that they gamed the extended-confirmed restriction, would the page they created be ]-able? I've asked the relevant question in more detail ], since it is likely to come up again as long as we have such a broad restriction on effect, but I figured it was worth mentioning the issue here as well. --] (]) 14:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


===Statement by Dan Murphy===
As I said above, he should have tried to avoid conflict with me after that last ANI complaint, about the attack page, but he did not, and I '''never''' edited the topics that he edited between the lifting of the indef and the recent GMO disputes. --] (]) 19:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Please look at ], written by the account under discussion. It's a hit job, originally placed in mainspace by this account. Anyone who wrote that shouldn't be allowed with 1 million miles of the topic.] (]) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


====Statement by starship.paint====
''Correction'': There were also some GMO edits on January 16, that I missed when reviewing the edit history. Let's not distort what I originally and consistently said here at AE: that he should have steered clear of me after the last ANI complaint. That also doesn't change anything about what happened over the past few weeks, and doesn't change anything about my ''not'' having followed him to the topics he edits and I do not. --] (]) 19:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
I've edited Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, so Dan Murphy's link is inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion. For the version of Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations with content only written by LaylaCares, . '''] (] / ])''' 10:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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====Statement by (username)====
TFD is simply wrong about that:
*The first supposed "revert": On May 14, SashiRolls made this edit, after no edits to the page since a bot in February: . I then made this edit: and this edit: , the second of which TFD calls a "revert". Those are not reverts; I simply added more information.
*The second supposed "revert": In the next edit, SashiRolls made this: , which ''is'' a revert of what I had just added. But that was him, not me. Please note that his stated concern in the edit summary was that I needed a source for the lawyers revealing the documents. In the following three edits: , , , which TFD calls my second "revert", I sequentially added a "ref name" to a source that was already cited on the page, then used that source to respond to SashiRolll's request, and then revised some of the wording and the order of the sentences to make the text better correspond to the source. None of that was a "revert", unless someone thinks that when an editor removes something due to "citation needed" and another editor adds it back with the requested sourcing is somehow a revert.
*The third supposed "revert": SashiRolls then makes a series of revisions: . I do not revert any of that. Instead, I tag some of the material for POV problems: . That is not a revert.
*The fourth supposed "revert": SashiRolls then makes this edit: , in which he accidentally introduces some stray text at the top of the page, and reverts one of my tags without addressing the concern underlying the tag (although perhaps he believed that he had addressed it). I then make this edit: , in which I fix the stray text, put back the removed POV tag – so arguably that part ''was'' a partial revert, but it was also restoring a dispute tag that had been unilaterally removed without first getting consensus – and, most importantly, added another tag in which I indicated that SashiRoll's intended fix did not reflect the cited source. My edit summary was poor, but it's a stretch to call that a revert.
*The fifth supposed "revert": SashiRolls then provides a source that addresses my "failed verification" tag, but also removes the POV tag yet again: . Once again, I restore the POV tag that had not been addressed: . TFD calls that a "revert". In context, and with the clear edit summary I provided, I don't really think that it is. I think that there is a well-established community consensus that such templates should not be removed unilaterally without consensus. And, very importantly, I did this tagging while also carefully explaining why, on the article talk page. And also very importantly, I explained on the talk page that my edits grew out of ] concerns: , an assessment that was endorsed by uninvolved editors when I notified ] about it: .


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For an experienced editor like TFD, who should understand what is and what is not a revert, this seems to me to be a frivolous accusation. --] (]) 21:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


===Result concerning LaylaCares===
====Statement by Kolya Butternut====
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I don't know anything about the GMO topic area, but SashiRolls has brought my name into the discussion on ]. My experience speaks to SashiRolls' and . --] (]) 03:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)<small>] (]) 03:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)</small>
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*I agree that this looks like EC-gaming. Absent evidence that the edits themselves were problematic, I would either TBAN from ARBPIA or pull the EC flag until the user has made 500 edits that aren't rapidfire possibly LLM-assisted gnomish edits. ] (]) 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*I agree on the gaming piece and would suggest mainspace edits+time for restoration of EC. I will throw out 3 months + 500 (substantive) main space edits. ] (]) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*I agree with Barkeep but I'd up it to 4 months. I don't believe that a TBAN is necessary at this point. ] (]/]) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*@]: I agree that the draft should be G5'd, but will wait for consensus to develop here. ] (]/]) 01:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I don't think the wording of ] allows for deletion of a page that was created by an EC user. <small>(ECR also seems to forget that anything other than articles and talkpages exists, but I think the most reasonable reading of provision A still allows for G5ing drafts at admins' discretion if the criteria are met.)</small> That said, a consensus at AE can delete a page as a "reasonable measure that necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project". Deleting under that provision is not something to be done lightly, but I think for a case where a page's existence violates the spirit of an ArbCom restriction but not the letter, it'd be a fair time to do it. And/or this could make for a good ARCA question, probably after PIA5 wraps. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*I would just pull EC and require the editor to apply via AE appeal for its restoration. They should be very clearly aware that receiving such restoration will require both substantial time and making ''real'', substantive edits outside the area, as well as an understanding of what is expected of editors working in a CTOP area. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*I see a clear consensus here to remove the EC flag. For clarity, when I proposed a TBAN above it was because removing this flag ''is'' an ARBPIA TBAN as long as the ECR remedy remains in place; it's simply a question of whether the editor get the other privileges of EC or not. I don't see a consensus on what to do with the draft, but given that other editors have now made substantive contributions to it, I don't believe it's a good use of AE time to discuss the hypothetical further. ] (]) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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==AstroGuy0==
====Statement by The Four Deuces====
{{hat|{{u|AstroGuy0}} has been issued a warning for source misrepresentation by {{u|Voorts}}. No other reviewers have expressed any wish for further action. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC) }}
By my count Tryptofish has made five reverts in a hr. period, although Kingofaces43 has not not brought a complaint against him.:
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===Request concerning AstroGuy0===
#23:14, 14 May 2019
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#16:28, 15 May 2019
#21:17, 15 May 2019
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I note also that Kingofaces43 did not ask SashiRolls to reverse their reversion before reporting the to AE.


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While SashiRolls has a block history, I think their level of editing has improved since. I notice that Tryptofish also has a block history.

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(Even though this isn't the usual R&I fare, I consider the intersection of "Race/ethnicity and sex offending", to come under "the intersection of '''race/ethnicity''' and human abilities '''and behaviour'''")

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This new user seems intent on POVPUSHING regarding "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" and making contentious claims that are not backed up by sources. ] (]) 03:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

===Discussion concerning AstroGuy0===
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====Statement by Iskandar323====
If this were ], an administrator would either block both editors for 24 hours or provide temporary protection for the article. I recommend the same approach be taken here.
This rather dated "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" malarkey from the UK has recently been pushed on social media by a certain US tech billionaire and is now recirculating in right-wing social media and the blogosphere, partly in connection with UK politics, so this trend could flare before it dims. ] (]) 03:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


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:*SashiRolls, that is not the case. There is both a mainspace and talkpage DS notice. ] 07:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
:I also looked at the source, and it indeed does not in any way support the claim made; it does not mention "Pakistani" even once. This is a fairly new editor, but I think we need to make it very clear to them that misrepresentation of sources is not something we will tolerate. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 04:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:*Levivich, edits which invoke BLP exemption ought to be spelled-out, exactly so all of this could be avoided. ] 07:33, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
::Given that AstroGuy0 has already been issued a warning, I don't think anything further is necessary, and will close as such unless any uninvolved admin shortly objects. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::* SashiRolls, is not helpful. Just make your statement here, and otherwise please avoid discussing the dispute elsewhere. ] 22:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
:::*This report has become too lengthy. It's difficult to tell what's going on anymore. I'm not sure other admins would feel motivated to look into this. ] 00:10, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::::*Is SashiRolls even arguing for ]? They seem to be saying that the text in the reverts was not the same, which would still be a 1RR violation, if there are two reverts. But it's been four days already, I'm not sure a block would be appropriate at this time. Maybe an interaction ban with Tryptofish? I don't know. If they could just make an effort to condense and get to the crux of it. ] 00:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::*TFD, if this was AN3, I would close those violations as stale. Anyway, can someone please answer me this: the article under contention, who started editing it first? Maybe this was already mentioned? You would forgive me if I missed it. ] 01:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::*Levivich, that tool does not load for me, but I'll take your word for it. An ] would probably mean SashiRolls would be ] from that article by default. ] 01:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
*This is a lengthy complaint, and I'm still working through it. At first glance, SashiRolls's conduct has been below par in several circumstances. However, I'm also unimpressed with some of the others editing the pages where this conflict seems to have localized at this time; {{U|Tryptofish}} is one of the few whose conduct I have no complaints about. For instance; {{U|Kingofaces43}}, why are you claiming that SashiRolls has been sanctioned under the GMO DS before, when that's patently untrue? All of this users DS sanctions have come under American Politics discretionary sanctions. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC) {{U|Kingofaces43}} (fixing malformed ping) <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
*:{{re|Tryptofish}} I did see that. You (understandably) filed the case linking to all the DS regimes you thought were relevant. However, the sanction was only logged under AmPol2, implying that that is the topic where misbehavior seemed localized. See the log ]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
*::{{re|Tryptofish}} That is fair, and I don't mean to make a big deal of it unless there's a pattern; it's just that there's been a long history at AE of editors weaponizing DS and doing so by trying to make a situation look as bad as it possibly can; and I'm somewhat allergic to that (see, for instance, the most recent request about Philip Cross). <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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# - Made a draft on a European ethnic group, which they are currently barred from doing.
# SM dismisses the , cited by Number 57 and not by me, as an unreliable source in contrast to more reliable OUP reference works.
# Accuses me of straw-man argumentation and of misquoting him in my defense of Number 57. # - Started a page on a Georgian ethnologist.
# I reply, informing that I have discovered another style guide, the OUP Academic Division's , which is incontestably published by OUP and also proscribes the comma he is attempting to impose.
# SM writes of "comma-averse news style guides (and unreliable-source blogs)", though without direct reference to me. This doesn't yet misrepresent me; it does, however, ignore the previously cited and less-easily-dismissable OUP guide, as he will repeatedly do thereafter.
# SM ignores the incontestably found and cited OUP guide, misrepresentingly asserting that I am citing "internal house style sheets". This is the beginning of his repeated misstatements in this regard.
# He continues, writing of "the fact that Oxford's in-house 'marketing about the university' stylesheet is irrelevant to encyclopedia writing and has no connection to Oxford U. Press style".
# I protest that the ''Guide for authors and editors'' is indeed an OUP publication and provide a citation from it proving this.
# SM writes "Let's take a vote: Who else here can't tell the difference " and again repeats his misstatement regarding the OUP manual.
# Cites ], prompting my interest in consensus and and my ensuing question in that regard.
# Continuing to assume good faith (i.e. that SM has sincerely failed to understand), I again place the link to the guide and the quote.
# SM repeats the misstatement. "McCoy's own source list keeps mistaking such sources (e.g. Oxford internal marketing stuff) for academic ones anyway".
# As SM is still giving the appearance of not understanding, I explain about the Oxford style guides again and ask him to (1) acknowledge that the guide I've been talking about isn't the one he's been saying it is, and (2) respond to the question of whether or not he thinks a consensus on the comma issue exists.
# SM refuses to respond; edit summary: "Meh".
# I repeat the requests.
# SM replies at length but still without responding to the request, adding a new misstatement without retracting the old one.
# SM asserts that I'm proving his point for him, "trying to rely on an internal memo of a publisher as if it is one of their public-facing works. It isn't."
# Continues to ignore the requests; accuses me of "having (or faking) reading comprehension problems".


A sequence of alternating repeated requests and repeated nonresponses leads to EEng's putting an end to the exchange (and to the discussion) by politely requesting both SM and myself to refrain from further comment. I apologize for having inadvertently bothered anyone.


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# " drowning follow-up discussion with aggressive and overly wordy postings; and the continued general display of battleground attitude that has been characteristic of your conduct in this field for long. This is unacceptable: if you get a community sanction, n matter whether it has run out or not, it means the community expects you to actually modify your behaviour. You clearly didn't."
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I likely filed this improperly, but to sum it up they continue to make pages in a scope they were banned from. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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:On the bullet point, I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
SMcCandlish has repeatedly violated expected standards of civil behavior stipulated by the discretionary sanctions notice at the MoS talk page. My primary complaint here relates to the two ] provisions, that one should not intentionally make misrepresentations and that one should not ignore reasonable questions. McCandlish's refusal to observe these principles, documented above, has led to a disruption at the MoS talk page. I have attempted several times to resolve this problem at McClandish's talk page (), but was brusquely dismissed and instructed not to respond there further. In not proposing a specific sanction I was following the advice at ], that "it is best not to request or demand specific solutions", to "eek ''solutions'', not justice", and to "ask for practical solutions". If Robert McClenon is suggesting that a topic ban or block would be the most appropriate sanction in this case then that is what I request, though noting that the idea did not originate with me and that I would want such a ban be of minimum length, as I want neither to exclude McCandlish from further discussion of the topic nor to appear to be trying to do so for whatever motive. If his uncivil behavior continues, however, then it might presumably be found that the ban should be extended. I did propose "an actual sanction of some sort" in my previous comment (the present comment having been shortened as requested), though I did not suggest a specific one and indeed have no experience in matters such as this qualifying me to determine a specific measure. I was in the process of abbreviating the diff explanations when I noticed the comments that have now come in from administrators, and hastily post this now in consequence of that. Is it desired that I shorten the explanations? I didn't realize they had gotten so long and apologize for not doing a word count on them before I posted. I can prioritize this over a response to the IBAN proposal if desired.
:(Not sure if I’m allowed to reply here) I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:: <small>Response to Bishonen. Moved from results section. ] (]/]) 21:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
::(RES to Bishonen) That's fair. When starting the AE, it only gave me nine options, none of which seemed to fit right. The third bullet ("Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on DIFF by _____") didn't seem to fit, as the sanction wasn't for verbal conduct. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 22:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" I recognize my mistake. --] (]) 20:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Ethnographic groups and cultural heritage are '''related but distinct concepts'''. An ''ethnographic group'' refers to a '''community of people''' defined by shared ancestry, language, traditions, and cultural identity. In contrast, ''cultural heritage'' refers to the *''practices, artifacts, knowledge, and traditions preserved or inherited from the past''. But cultural heritage is indeed a component of ethnographic groups.
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:So i don't believe ethnographic group should be considered as either history of the Caucasus or cultural heritage. ] (]) 20:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I reply to the posted comments.<br />
::In my opinion, cultural heritage (both tangible and intangible) '''emerges from''' ethnographic groups but '''does not define the group itself'''. ] (]) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
{{ping|Robert McClenon}} I don't understand who you are, where you have come from, or why you said it didn't appear that I had tried to discuss the problem on McCandlish's talk page when I had indicated in my statement that I had. Nonetheless, the revised version of my original statement again adresses this, and I hope you are now satisfied that I did indeed try as best I could to resolve the matter without proceeding to dispute resolution here. I have also complied with your assertion that I needed to request a sanction, reluctantly adding one and explaining my not having specified one before – though, again, I did recommend an unspecified sanction. "A topic ban or block" does not represent my final proposal on this; I have other ideas that I will present if afforded the opportunity.<br />
:::I think ethnographic groups fall under the category of Ethnography, or even socio-cultural antropology but for sure not cultural heritage. ] (]) 21:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
{{ping|El_C}} I have shortened the report per your request, I hope adequately.<br />
::::I understand, i already apologized on my talk page for this accident. I will not repeat this mistake again. ] (]) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
{{ping|Sandstein}} I have deleted three of the diffs and revised the explanations of others to exclude failures to observe other aspects of the WP:CIV directives than the two indicated in both versions of my statement. I was within the twenty-diff limit, am more so now, and do not feel that I should be obliged to trim the list further, thus suggesting that the number of violations (or quantity of violation) was less than it was. I observe also that there is ''no'' clear violation – no matter how many diffs are listed – unless the untruth of what I am asserting to be the misstatement is determined. This might in another case be difficult, but not in this one.<br />
{{ping|GoldenRing}} I don't know that El_C hasn't already had a look at the discussion, but in any event the part of it most germane to the immediate discussion is the repeated back-and-forth that occurred when I repeated the requests and McCandlish continued not to respond. This is not mere arbitrary squabbling with both parties equally guilty, as one might tend to judge at first glance. Either the repeated statement was accurate, in which case I was at fault and should be sanctioned with no consideration of any sanction for McCandlish; or it was inaccurate, in which case I was justified in continuing to request a retraction, he was in violation of the cited WP:CIV directive, and any sanction should be placed on him rather than me. I can't stop the administrators from slapping a quick one-size-fits-all IBAN or whatever if that's what you want to do, and I can't complain about justice having digested WP:TINJ; but I'm sure a more appropriate result is possible, also from the viewpoint of simple effectiveness and success regarding the stated DR goals.<br />
I'm approaching the 500-word limit. May I reply to {{u|Ealdgyth}}, and may we perhaps go to a somewhat higher word limit on this case, also for McCandlish? Thank you. –] (]) 02:02, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


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It appears that the filing party has not tried to discuss the disruptive editing on the talk page of SMcCandlish. The use of a conduct forum such as ] or ] without requesting a sanction (and while saying that one is not requesting a sanction) adds heat and no light. Either ask for a ] or a block, or go back to the user talk page. ] (]) 14:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


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:*Waiting for SMcCandlish's (brief, hopefully) response. ] 02:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
* I don't see Lemabeta mentioned in the case itself, but they're currently under ] from "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed". ] (] • she/her) 20:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::*In the interest of expediency, indeed, perhaps an IBAN would be the way to go here. ] 02:29, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
*:To be fair, when you click above to add a new enforcement request, the template states:<br><nowiki>;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ]</nowiki><br><nowiki><!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---></nowiki> ] (]/]) 20:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:*I agree that this should not be processed until it is substantially more concise. Identify the few edits that are, in your view, the clearest violations of the sanction at issue, and briefly explain why. That will suffice. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 14:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
*{{tq| Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed"}} @]: what did you think "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage" meant? I think it's pretty obvious that that an article on an ethnic group from the Caucasus and about an ethnologist who writes about that region is covered by your topic ban. ] (]/]) 20:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:*{{re|El_C}} If you think the complaint is lengthy, try reading the discussion on which it is based. ] (]) 14:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
*:Note that I've deleted ] as a clear G5 violation. I think ] is a bit more of a questionable G5. ] (]/]) 20:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*The irony of the filer mentioning that SMC was "encouraged to keep his contributions to a reasonable length" is withering. From watching this blow up, it basically boils down to the filer wanting SMC to apologize/retract/acknowledge something that the filer feels SMC wrongly said. Frankly, I don't blame SMC for eventually getting a bit curt in his replies, as the filer has gone on endlessly about ... something... and continued to do so even after SMC asked the filer to stop posting. At some point, you just have to stop, and this filing is ill advised. I recommend no action, although if this sort of continued posting keeps happening, the filer might find a boomerang in their future. ] - ] 14:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
*:Your definition of "ethnographic group" includes the phrases "shared ancestry" (i.e., history), and "shared&nbsp;... traditions" and "shared&nbsp;... cultural identity" (i.e., cultural heritage). Your attempt to exclude "ethnographic group" from either of the two categories in your topic ban is entirely unpersuasive, particularly since your topic ban is to be "broadly construed". ] (]/]) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*I've had a crack at reading the discussion at WT:MOS. Frankly, I think the ] is an excellent one and one which might possibly be imposed as a sanction on both SMcCandlish and Roy McCoy. The exact form of such a sanction might, perhaps, need to be somewhat more formal than the rather ''casual'' statement in the diff. The behaviour there is not egregious but it's not good and it's not one-sided. I could support, say, a six-month IBAN between SMcCandlish and Roy McCoy in the scope of MOS discussions. Thoughts? ] (]) 14:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
*:@]: this doesn't seem like a mistake to me, but I'm okay with a logged warning here. ] (]/]) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: This is about violating the TBAN. Per my response to leek, I think the issue is with the AE request template, which is a bit unclear. ] (]/]) 22:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: I don't think a block is needed here, but the next violation, definitely. ] (]/]) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@]: They were "reviously given&nbsp;... contentious topic restriction", the topic ban at issue. ] (]/]) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{re|Lemabeta}} Not every single thing you could write about an ethnic group would fall under cultural history, but that's not really relevant on the Rachvelians page, where the History section was entirely about their cultural history, even containing the words {{tqq| highlighting their ethnographic and cultural identity}}. There's a reason we use the words "]" on most TBANs, and a reason we encourage people to act like they're TBANned from a broader area than they are. (Consider: Would you feel safe driving under a bridge where clearance is exactly the same height as your vehicle? Or would you need a few inches' gap to feel safe doing it?){{pb}}This does seem like a good-faith misunderstanding, so if you will commit to not making it again in the future, I think this can be closed with a clarification/warning. But that's an important "if". If you want to argue semantics, then the message that sends to admins is that you don't intend to comply with the TBAN, in which case the next step would be a siteblock. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*{{u|EF5}}, I don't understand your {{tq|"Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above"}} statement, can you please explain what it refers to? ]? Lemabeta's block log is blank.
:That said, I'm unimpressed by Lemabeta's lawyerly distinctions above, and also by ]. I'll AGF that they ''were'' accidental, but OTOH, they surely ''ought'' to have taken enough care to realize they were violations; compare Voorts' examples. I suggest a block, not sure of what length. A couple of weeks? ] &#124; ] 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::{{u|EF5}}, OK, I see. Blocks and bans are ], and the block log only logs blocks. ] &#124; ] 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

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    PerspicazHistorian

    PerspicazHistorian is blocked indefinitely from mainspace. Seraphimblade 03:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Request concerning PerspicazHistorian

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    NXcrypto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    PerspicazHistorian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBIPA
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 17:57, 18 December 2024 - removed "discrimination" sidebar from the page of Hindutva (fascist ideology) even though the sidebar was inserted inside a section, not even the lead.
    2. 17:59, 18 December 2024 - tag bombed the highly vetted Hindutva article without any discussion or reason
    3. 10:15, 18 December 2024 - attributing castes to people withhout any sources
    4. 12:11, 18 December 2024 - edit warring to impose the above edits after getting reverted
    5. 17:09, 18 December 2024 - just like above, but this time he also added unreliable sources
    6. 18:29, 18 December 2024 - still edit warring and using edit summaries instead of talk page for conversation
    7. 14:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC) - filed an outrageous report on WP:ANI without notifying any editors. This report was closed by Bbb23 as "This is nothing but a malplaced, frivolous personal attack by the OP."
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    • Already 2 blocks in last 4 months for edit warring.
    If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I do not see any positive signs that this editor will ever improve. So far he has only regressed. Nxcrypto Message 15:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    While going through this report, PerspicazHistorian has made another highly problematic edit here by edit warring and misrepresenting the sources to label the organisation as "terrorist". This primary source only provides a list of organisations termed by the Indian government as "terrorist" contrary to MOS:TERRORIST. Nxcrypto Message 03:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    Discussion concerning PerspicazHistorian

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    Statement by PerspicazHistorian

    • By far I am also concerned how my edits were forcefully reverted without a proper reason despite providing enough references. Please check how I am getting attacked by them on Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu Page.

    I didn't know about the three-revert-rule before User: Ratnahastin told me about this: User_talk:PerspicazHistorian. Please grant me one more chance, I will make sure not to edit war.

    • In the below statement by LukeEmily, As a reply I just want to say that I was just making obvious edit on Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu by adding a list of notable people with proper references. And according to Edit_warring#What_edit_warring_is it is clearly said: "Edits from a slanted point of view, general insertion or removal of material, or other good-faith changes are not considered vandalism." It was a good faith edit but others reverted it. I accept my mistake of not raising it on talk page as a part of Misplaced Pages:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle.
    • As a clarification to my edit on Students' Islamic Movement of India, it can be clearly seen that I provided enough reference to prove its a terrorist organisation as seen in this edit. I don't know why is there a discussion to this obvious edit? Admins please correct me if I am wrong.
    @Valereee, Yes I read about 1RR and 0RR revert rules in Misplaced Pages:Edit warring#What edit warring is#Other revert rules. I now understand the importance of raising the topic on talk page whenever a consensus is needed. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 07:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes, I will commit to that. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC) Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section. Seraphimblade 13:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    At that time I was new to how AFD discussions worked. Later on when Satish R. Devane was marked for deletion, I respected the consensus by not interfering in it. The article was later deleted. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Hi @Doug Weller , I just checked your user page. You have 16 years (I am 19) of experience on wiki, you must be right about me. I agree that my start on Misplaced Pages has been horrible, but I am learning a lot from you all. I promise that I will do better, get more neutral here and contribute to the platform to my best. Please don't block me.
    P.S.- I don't know If I will be blocked or what , according to this enforcement rules, I just want to personally wish good luck to you for your ongoing cancer treatments, You will surely win this battle of Life. Regards. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Moved comment to own section. Please comment, including replies, only in this section.Valereee (talk) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    • 1) I just asked an user @Fylindfotberserk if the page move is possible. What's wrong with it? I still have not considered putting a move request on talk page of article.
    2) Many of other sources are not raj era. Moreover I myself have deleted the content way before you pointing this out. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    even @NXcrypto is seen engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics. see1see2 PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    as mentioned by @Valereee before, Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here. You can discuss content related topics on talk pages of articles rather than personally targeting a user here in enforcement. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Valereee I once filed a complaint to find it @NXcrypto is a sock (out of a misunderstanding, as all were teamed up similarly on various pages). I think he felt it as a personal attack by me and filed this request for enforcement. Please interfere. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 06:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC) moving to correct section Valereee (talk) 13:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    1)Yes I usually edit on RSS related topics, but to ensure a democratic view is maintained as many socks try to disrupt such articles. Even on Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh page, I just edited on request of talk page and added a graph. I don't think its a POV push.
    2) My main interest in editing is Hinduism and Indian History topics.
    3)There have been certain cases in past where I was blocked but if studied carefully they were result of me edit warring with socks(although, through guidance of various experienced editors and admins I learnt a SPI should be filed first). I have learnt a lot in my journey and there have been nearly zero case of me of edit warring this month.
    Please do not block me. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Valereee I beg apologies for the inconvenience caused, thanks for correcting me. I will now reply in my own statement section. @Bishonen I am a quick learner and professionally competent to edit in this encyclopedic space. Please consider reviewing this enforcement if its an counter-attack on me as mentioned in my previous replies. You all are experienced editors and I have good faith in your decision-making capability.PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Vanamonde93@Bishonen I have edited content marked as "original research" and "mess" by you, I am ready to help removing any content that might be considered "poorly sourced" by the community. Please don't block me.PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    • @Valereee This enforcement started for edit-warring and now I feel its more concerned to my edited content(which I agree to cooperate and change wherever needed). After learning about edit wars, there has been no instance of me edit-warring, Please consider my request.--PerspicazHistorian (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      @Valereee I am not a slow learner, I understand the concerns of all admins here. I will try my best to add only reliable sources, and discuss content in all talk pages, as I already mentioned here. PPicazHist (talk) 12:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      @Valereee@UtherSRG I think admins should focus more on encouraging editors when they do good and correct when mistaken. I have made many edits, added many citations and created much articles which use fine citations. The enforcement started out of retaliation by nxcrypto, now moving towards banning me anyways. I started editing out of passion, and doing it here on wiki unlike those who come here just for pov pushes and disrupt article space(talking about socks and vandalizers on contentious Indian topics).
      The article prasada doesn't only has issue on citations, but the whole article is copypasted from the citations I added. I just wanted to point that out. Remaining about Misplaced Pages:CIR, I am currently pursuing Btech in cs from IIT delhi, idt I am a slow learner by any means. Still, happy new year to all ! PPicazHist (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      @UtherSRG You mean to say, "The prasada is to be consumed by attendees as a holy offering. The offerings may include cooked food, fruits and confectionery sweets. Vegetarian food is usually offered and later distributed to the devotees who are present in the temple. Sometimes this vegetarian offering will exclude prohibited items such as garlic, onion, mushroom, etc. " is not copy pasted by this website? Is this also a wiki mirror website? How would you feel if I doubt your competence now? PPicazHist (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
      @ UtherSRG I just asked others to share their opinion in the enforcement. With all due respect, I don't think its wrong in any sense. PPicazHist (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
      To all the admins involved here,
      • I agree to keep learning and apologize if my previous edits/replies have annoyed the admins.
      • I have not edit warred since a month and please see it as my willingness to keep learning and getting better.
      • Please give me a chance, I understand concern of you all and respect your opinion in the matter. But please don't block me from editing from main article space. I promise that I will abide by all the rules and will learn from other editors.
      PPicazHist (talk) 15:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by LukeEmily

    PerspicazHistorian also violated WP:BRD by engaging in an edit war with Ratnahastin who reverted his edits and restored an article to a stable version by admin. Also, I want to assume good faith but it is surprising that PerspicazHistorian claims that he did not know the three revert rule given that he has more than 800 edits.LukeEmily (talk)

    Statement by Doug Weller

    I'm involved so just commenting. I don't think this editor is competent. I had to give them a community sanction caste warning as they were making a mess of castes. See this earlier version of their talk page.]https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:PerspicazHistorian&oldid=1262289249] and User:Deb's comment that "It was very unwise of you to keep moving Draft:Satish R. Devane to article space when it has not passed review. As a direct result of your actions, a deletion discussion is taking place, and when this is complete and the article is deleted, you will be prevented from recreating it. Deb (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)" There have also been copyright issues. I strongly support a topic ban. Doug Weller talk 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    I won't be involved in the decision. No more treatments for me, just coast until... Doug Weller talk 12:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Toddy1

    This is another editor who appears to have pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views. I dislike those views, but find it rather alarming that Misplaced Pages should seek to censor those views, but not the views of the political opponents. Imagine the outrage if we sought to topic-ban anyone who expressed pro-Republican views, but allowed Democrat-activists to say whatever they liked.

    A lot of pro-RSS/BJP editors turn out to be sock-puppets, so please can we do a checkuser on this account. And to be even-handed, why not checkuser NXcrypto too.

    If we want to talk about WP:CIR when editors make mistakes, look at the diff given by NXcrypto for "Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested" - it is the wrong diff. He/she did notify PerspicazHistorian - but the correct diff is .

    A topic ban from Indian topics would be unhelpful, unless given to both parties. Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India. Loading the dice against BJP and RSS editors will turn Misplaced Pages into a fringe encyclopaedia on Indian topics.

    I can see a good case for restricting PerspicazHistorian to draft articles and talk pages for a month, and suggesting that he/she seeks advice from more experienced editors. Another solution would be a one-revert rule to last six months.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Capitals00

    I find the comment from Toddy1 to be entirely outrageous. What are you trying to tell by saying "Misplaced Pages is meant to be a mainstream encyclopaedia, and BJP and RSS are mainstream in India"? If you want us to entertain those who are in power, then we could never have an article like False or misleading statements by Donald Trump.

    You cannot ask topic ban for both editors without having any evidence of misconduct. Same way, you cannot ask CU on either user only for your own mental relief. It is a high time that you should strike your comment, since you are falsely accusing others that they "seek to censor" this editor due to his "pro-Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) views". You should strike your comment. If you cannot do that, then I am sure WP:BOOMERANG is coming for you. Capitals00 (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by Vanamonde93

    Toddy1: I, too, am baffled by your comment. We don't ban editors based on their POV; but we do ban editors who fail to follow our PAGs, and we certainly don't make excuses for editors who fail to follow our guidelines based on their POV. You seem to be suggesting we cut PH some slack because of their political position, and I find that deeply inappropriate. Among other things, I don't believe they have publicly stated anywhere that they support the BJP or the RSS, and we cannot make assumptions about them.

    That said, the fact that this was still open prompted me to spot-check PH's contributions, and I find a lot to be concerned about. This edit is from 29 December, and appears to be entirely original research; I cannot access all of the sources, but snippet search does not bear out the content added, and the Raj era source for the first sentence certainly does not support the content it was used for. Baji Pasalkar, entirely authored by PH, is full of puffery ("first to sacrifice his life for the cause of Swarajya", and poor sources (like this blog, and this book, whose blurb I leave you to judge), from which most of the article appears to be drawn. Appa (title), also entirely authored by PH, has original research in its very first sentence; the sources that I can access give passing mention to people whose names include the suffix "appa", and thus could perhaps be examples of usage, but the sources most certainly do not bear out the claim.

    I will note in fairness that I cannot access all the sources for the content I checked. But after spotchecking a dozen examples I have yet to find content PH wrote that was borne out by a reliable source, so I believe skepticism is justified. We are in territory where other editors may need to spend days cleaning up some of this writing. Bishonen If we're in CIR territory, just a normal indefinite block seems cleanest, surely? Or were you hoping that PH would help clean up their mess, perhaps by providing quotes from sources? That could be a pathway to contributing productively, but I'm not holding my breath. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Thanks Bish: I agree, as my exchanges with PH today, in response to my first post here, have not inspired confidence. . Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

    Statement by UtherSRG

    I've mostly dealt with PH around Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ankur Warikoo (2nd nomination). They do not seem to have the ability to read and understand our policies and processes. As such, a t-ban is too weak. The minimum I would support is a p-block as suggested below, though a full indef is also acceptable. They could then ask for the standard offer when they can demonstrate they no longer have WP:CIR issues. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

    Based on these two edits, I'm more strongly leaning towards indef. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    They now indicate they believe the article they edited was copied from one of the websites they used as a reference, when in reality the website is a mirror/scrape of the Misplaced Pages article. I believe we are firmly in WP:CIR territory here. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is a mirror of the Misplaced Pages article. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

    Result concerning PerspicazHistorian

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

    PerspicazHistorian, can you explain your understanding of WP:edit warring and the WP:3RR rule? I'd like you to read thoroughly enough to also explain wny someone may be edit warring even if they aren't breaking 3RR. Valereee (talk) 21:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    @PerspicazHistorian, that explanation of edit warring is a bit wanting. An edit war is when two or more editors revert content additions/removals repeatedly. Even a second reversion by the same editor can be considered edit warring. Best practice -- and what I highly recommend, especially for any inexperienced editor -- is the first time someone reverts an edit of yours, go to the talk page, open a section, ping the editor who reverted you, and discuss. Do you think you can commit to that?
    Re: your question on why your "obvious edit" was reverted: we don't deal with content issues here, only with behavior issues, but from a very quick look, the source is 50 years old, and using a list headed "TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS LISTED IN THE FIRST SCHEDULE OF THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT, 1967" that includes a certain organization as a source that the organization should be described as a terrorist organization is WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH; in their revert NXcrypto provided an edit summary of "Not a reliable source for such a contentious label. See WP:LABEL." Please discuss at talk, not here; we don't deal with content here. Valereee (talk) 11:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'm seeing this as a CIR issue. I'd like input from other admins, if possible. I'm a little concerned that setting a tban from IPA is just setting a trap. Maybe a p-block from article space would be a kinder way to allow them to gain some experience? Valereee (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PerspicazHistorian, have you seen how many times I or others have had to move your comments to your own section? This is an example of not having enough experience to edit productively. Please do not post in anyone else's section again. Valereee (talk) 16:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    I do agree we're in CIR territory, and the concerns expressed are completely valid. I don't think this editor is ill-intentioned. They just don't seem very motivated to learn quickly. Well-intentioned-but-a-slow-learner is something that can only be fixed by actually practicing what you're bad at. I'd prefer an indef from article space which gives them one more chance to learn here before we send them off to mr.wiki or Simple English to try to learn. Not a hill I'm going to die on, though. Valereee (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
    @PerspicazHistorian, like Uther I have major concerns about the edit you made yesterday, which included replacing a citation needed tag with these sources. The first is a company that markets astrology services. The second is the site for a religious sect. Neither is a reliable source for explaining the concept of prasada in Wikivoice. You made this edit yesterday, after you'd confirmed here and on my talk that you understood sourcing policy.
    The reason for an indef from article space is to allow you to learn this policy: You would go into article talk and suggest sources to fix citation needed tags. Another editor would have to agree with you that the sources are reliable before they'd add them. Valereee (talk) 12:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
    • A tban from IPA for PerspicazHistorian would be a relief to many editors trying to keep this difficult area in reasonable shape. However, Valereee makes a good point about 'setting a trap': it's doubtful that PH would be able to keep to a tban even if they tried in good faith. I would therefore support a p-block from article space. Bishonen | tålk 16:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
      Vanamonde93, no, I don't really think PH can usefully help clean up their mess; I was following Valereee, who has been going into this in some depth, in attempting to keep some way of editing Misplaced Pages open for PH. It's a bit of a counsel of desperation, though; there is very little daylight between an indef and a p-block from article space. Yes, we are in CIR territory; just look at PH's recent supposed evidence on this page for NXcrypto being "engaged in edit wars before on contentious Indian topics": one diff of an opponent complaining on NXcrypto's page, and one diff of somebody reverting NXcrypto. What do those actually prove? That NXcrypto has opponents (big surprise). So, yes, as you suggest, I'll support an indef as well. Bishonen | tålk 20:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC).
    • Is there a length of time proposed for the p-ban or would it be indefinite? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
      I would say indefinite; not infinite, but I'd be wary about letting them back into articlespace without some kind of preclearance. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • It looks to me like there is a consensus for an indefinite partial block for PerspicazHistorian from article space. Unless any uninvolved admin objects within a day or so, I will close as such. Seraphimblade 06:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
      Given PH's recent slew of requests on multiple admin talk pages, yes, please do. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

    References

    1. "Significance of Different Type of Prasad in Hinduism For God". GaneshaSpeaks. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
    2. "What Is Prashad". Shree Swaminarayan Mandir Bhuj. Retrieved 2024-12-30.

    LaylaCares

    There is consensus to remove LaylaCares's EC flag. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Vice regent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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    1. 13:54, December 17, 2024 EC gaming


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    Pretty obvious case of EC gaming. Account created on Nov 17, 2024, then about 500 mostly minor edits followed by the first substantial edit ever was the creation of this article on Dec 17 (subsequently moved to draftspace).VR (Please ping on reply) 08:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Statement by LaylaCares

    Statement by Aquillion

    Question: Assuming it's determined that they gamed the extended-confirmed restriction, would the page they created be WP:G5-able? I've asked the relevant question in more detail on the CSD talk page, since it is likely to come up again as long as we have such a broad restriction on effect, but I figured it was worth mentioning the issue here as well. --Aquillion (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by Dan Murphy

    Please look at Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, written by the account under discussion. It's a hit job, originally placed in mainspace by this account. Anyone who wrote that shouldn't be allowed with 1 million miles of the topic.Dan Murphy (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    Statement by starship.paint

    I've edited Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations, so Dan Murphy's link is inaccurate for the purposes of this discussion. For the version of Draft:Hamas–UNRWA relations with content only written by LaylaCares, click this link. starship.paint (talk / cont) 10:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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    • I agree that this looks like EC-gaming. Absent evidence that the edits themselves were problematic, I would either TBAN from ARBPIA or pull the EC flag until the user has made 500 edits that aren't rapidfire possibly LLM-assisted gnomish edits. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I agree on the gaming piece and would suggest mainspace edits+time for restoration of EC. I will throw out 3 months + 500 (substantive) main space edits. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I agree with Barkeep but I'd up it to 4 months. I don't believe that a TBAN is necessary at this point. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    • @Aquillion: I agree that the draft should be G5'd, but will wait for consensus to develop here. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      I don't think the wording of WP:ECR allows for deletion of a page that was created by an EC user. (ECR also seems to forget that anything other than articles and talkpages exists, but I think the most reasonable reading of provision A still allows for G5ing drafts at admins' discretion if the criteria are met.) That said, a consensus at AE can delete a page as a "reasonable measure that necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project". Deleting under that provision is not something to be done lightly, but I think for a case where a page's existence violates the spirit of an ArbCom restriction but not the letter, it'd be a fair time to do it. And/or this could make for a good ARCA question, probably after PIA5 wraps. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I would just pull EC and require the editor to apply via AE appeal for its restoration. They should be very clearly aware that receiving such restoration will require both substantial time and making real, substantive edits outside the area, as well as an understanding of what is expected of editors working in a CTOP area. Seraphimblade 01:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • I see a clear consensus here to remove the EC flag. For clarity, when I proposed a TBAN above it was because removing this flag is an ARBPIA TBAN as long as the ECR remedy remains in place; it's simply a question of whether the editor get the other privileges of EC or not. I don't see a consensus on what to do with the draft, but given that other editors have now made substantive contributions to it, I don't believe it's a good use of AE time to discuss the hypothetical further. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    AstroGuy0

    AstroGuy0 has been issued a warning for source misrepresentation by Voorts. No other reviewers have expressed any wish for further action. Seraphimblade 06:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Hemiauchenia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics/Race and intelligence

    (Even though this isn't the usual R&I fare, I consider the intersection of "Race/ethnicity and sex offending", to come under "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour")

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    1. 03:19, 4 January 2025 Asserts that "A majority of the perpetrators were Pakistani men" despite the cited source (freely accessible at ) does not mention the word "Pakistani" or any variant once.
    2. 01:40, 4 January 2025 Describes the sex offender ring as "Pakistani" in the opening sentence when the cited source in the body says that they were only "mainly Pakistani"
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    This new user seems intent on POVPUSHING regarding "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" and making contentious claims that are not backed up by sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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    Statement by Iskandar323

    This rather dated "Asian/Muslim grooming gangs" malarkey from the UK has recently been pushed on social media by a certain US tech billionaire and is now recirculating in right-wing social media and the blogosphere, partly in connection with UK politics, so this trend could flare before it dims. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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    The second diff was before AG0 received a CTOP alert. I've alerted AG0 to other CTOPs that they've edited in, and I am going to warn them for their conduct in diff #1 without prejudice to other admins determining that further action is warranted. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    I also looked at the source, and it indeed does not in any way support the claim made; it does not mention "Pakistani" even once. This is a fairly new editor, but I think we need to make it very clear to them that misrepresentation of sources is not something we will tolerate. Seraphimblade 04:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    Given that AstroGuy0 has already been issued a warning, I don't think anything further is necessary, and will close as such unless any uninvolved admin shortly objects. Seraphimblade 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Lemabeta

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    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Final decision
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    1. 5 Jan 2025 - Made a draft on a European ethnic group, which they are currently barred from doing.
    2. 4 Jan 2025 - Started a page on a Georgian ethnologist.


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    I likely filed this improperly, but to sum it up they continue to make pages in a scope they were banned from. EF 20:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    On the bullet point, I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. EF 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    (Not sure if I’m allowed to reply here) I’ve never filed an AE report before, and I wasn’t sure if “block” meant T-ban, p-block, etc., so I just picked whichever one made the most sense. EF 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    Response to Bishonen. Moved from results section. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    (RES to Bishonen) That's fair. When starting the AE, it only gave me nine options, none of which seemed to fit right. The third bullet ("Previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on DIFF by _____") didn't seem to fit, as the sanction wasn't for verbal conduct. EF 22:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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    Statement by Lemabeta

    Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" I recognize my mistake. --Lemabeta (talk) 20:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

    Ethnographic groups and cultural heritage are related but distinct concepts. An ethnographic group refers to a community of people defined by shared ancestry, language, traditions, and cultural identity. In contrast, cultural heritage refers to the *practices, artifacts, knowledge, and traditions preserved or inherited from the past. But cultural heritage is indeed a component of ethnographic groups.
    So i don't believe ethnographic group should be considered as either history of the Caucasus or cultural heritage. Lemabeta (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    In my opinion, cultural heritage (both tangible and intangible) emerges from ethnographic groups but does not define the group itself. Lemabeta (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    I think ethnographic groups fall under the category of Ethnography, or even socio-cultural antropology but for sure not cultural heritage. Lemabeta (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    I understand, i already apologized on my talk page for this accident. I will not repeat this mistake again. Lemabeta (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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    • I don't see Lemabeta mentioned in the case itself, but they're currently under a topic ban imposed by a consensus of AE admins from "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed". theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      To be fair, when you click above to add a new enforcement request, the template states:
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      <!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---> voorts (talk/contributions) 20:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Didn't realize translation of a page of ethnographic group would count as a violation of my topic ban about "history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage, broadly construed" @Lemabeta: what did you think "the history of the Caucasus and its cultural heritage" meant? I think it's pretty obvious that that an article on an ethnic group from the Caucasus and about an ethnologist who writes about that region is covered by your topic ban. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      Note that I've deleted Draft:Rachvelians as a clear G5 violation. I think Mate Albutashvili is a bit more of a questionable G5. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      Your definition of "ethnographic group" includes the phrases "shared ancestry" (i.e., history), and "shared ... traditions" and "shared ... cultural identity" (i.e., cultural heritage). Your attempt to exclude "ethnographic group" from either of the two categories in your topic ban is entirely unpersuasive, particularly since your topic ban is to be "broadly construed". voorts (talk/contributions) 21:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Tamzin: this doesn't seem like a mistake to me, but I'm okay with a logged warning here. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Bishonen: This is about violating the TBAN. Per my response to leek, I think the issue is with the AE request template, which is a bit unclear. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @Bishonen: I don't think a block is needed here, but the next violation, definitely. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      @EF5: They were "reviously given ... contentious topic restriction", the topic ban at issue. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • @Lemabeta: Not every single thing you could write about an ethnic group would fall under cultural history, but that's not really relevant on the Rachvelians page, where the History section was entirely about their cultural history, even containing the words highlighting their ethnographic and cultural identity. There's a reason we use the words "broadly construed" on most TBANs, and a reason we encourage people to act like they're TBANned from a broader area than they are. (Consider: Would you feel safe driving under a bridge where clearance is exactly the same height as your vehicle? Or would you need a few inches' gap to feel safe doing it?)This does seem like a good-faith misunderstanding, so if you will commit to not making it again in the future, I think this can be closed with a clarification/warning. But that's an important "if". If you want to argue semantics, then the message that sends to admins is that you don't intend to comply with the TBAN, in which case the next step would be a siteblock. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • EF5, I don't understand your "Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above" statement, can you please explain what it refers to? This T-ban? Lemabeta's block log is blank.
    That said, I'm unimpressed by Lemabeta's lawyerly distinctions above, and also by their apology for "accidental violations". I'll AGF that they were accidental, but OTOH, they surely ought to have taken enough care to realize they were violations; compare Voorts' examples. I suggest a block, not sure of what length. A couple of weeks? Bishonen | tålk 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
    EF5, OK, I see. Blocks and bans are very different, and the block log only logs blocks. Bishonen | tålk 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC).